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ace 101,how was the interview.i mean was it an in house thing or like the general one they did in 2011.

did u also her about the gtb stuff

pls give me ur number i need to speak with u personally

ace 101 when is the interview?
pls can i gate crash?
i did d one in 2010 i wasn't called up.i want to try again
lagoseko what abt gtb?when are they going to start calling for exp hire

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.
The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:
"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."
For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:
"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".
(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).
[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]
A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:
1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.
2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.
3. That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.
An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.
Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.
In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.
The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times.
Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.
The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.
The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.
But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions were widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.
Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?
A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.
As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.

The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba. It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.
According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.
In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.
Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).
[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]
Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.
The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship. The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times). Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.
It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.
One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles.
[Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7).
The Koran:
"Sight perceives Him not. But He perceives men's sights; for He is the knower of secrets, the Aware."
Kena Upanishad:
"That which cannot be seen by the eye but through which the eye itself sees, know That to be Brahman (God) and not what people worship here (in the manifested world)."
A simplified meaning of both the above verses reads:
God is one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.
The identity of Unani and Ayurvedic systems shows that Unani is just the Arabic term for the Ayurvedic system of healing taught to them and administered in Arabia when Arabia formed part of the Indian empire.
It will now be easy to comprehend the various Hindu customs still prevailing in West Asian countries even after the existence of Islam during the last 1300 years. Let us review some Hindu traditions which exist as the core of Islamic practice.
The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam. The lunar calendar was introduced in West Asia during the Indian rule. The Muslim month ‘Safar’ signifying the ‘extra’ month (Adhik Maas) in the Hindu calendar. The Muslim month Rabi is the corrupt form of Ravi meaning the sun because Sanskrit ‘V’ changes into Prakrit ‘B’ (Prakrit being the popular version of Sanskrit language). The Muslim sanctity for Gyrahwi Sharif is nothing but the Hindu Ekadashi (Gyrah = elevan or Gyaarah). Both are identical in meaning.
The Islamic practice of Bakari Eed derives from the Go-Medh and Ashva-Medh Yagnas or sacrifices of Vedic times. Eed in Sanskrit means worship. The Islamic word Eed for festive days, signifying days of worship, is therefore a pure Sanskrit word. The word MESH in the Hindu zodiac signifies a lamb. Since in ancient times the year used to begin with the entry of the sun in Aries, the occasion was celebrated with mutton feasting. That is the origin of the Bakari Eed festival.
[Note: The word Bakari is an Indian language word for a goat.]
Since Eed means worship and Griha means ‘house’, the Islamic word Idgah signifies a ‘House of worship’ which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.
Vedic descriptions about the moon, the different stellar constellations and the creation of the universe have been incorporated from the Vedas in Koran part 1 chapter 2, stanza 113, 114, 115, and 158, 189, chapter 9, stanza 37 and chapter 10, stanzas 4 to 7.
Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.
Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction ‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’.
Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra. Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat.
Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita.
According to extant Islamic records, Indian merchants had settled in Arabia, particularly in Yemen, and their life and manners deeply influenced those who came in touch with them. At Ubla there was a large number of Indian settlements. This shows that Indians were in Arabia and Yemen in sufficient strength and commanding position to be able to influence the local people. This could not be possible unless they belonged to the ruling class.
It is mentioned in the Abadis i.e., the authentic traditions of Prophet Mohammad compiled by Imam Bukhari that the Indian tribe of Jats had settled in Arabia before Prophet Mohammad’s times. Once when Hazrat Ayesha, wife of the Prophet, was taken ill, her nephew sent for a Jat physician for her treatment. This proves that Indians enjoyed a high and esteemed status in Arabia. Such a status could not be theirs unless they were the rulers. Bukhari also tells us that an Indian Raja (king) sent a jar of ginger pickles to the Prophet. This shows that the Indian Jat Raja ruled an adjacent area so as to be in a position to send such an insignificant present as ginger pickles. The Prophet is said to have so highly relished it as to have told his colleagues also to partake of it. These references show that even during Prophet Mohammad’s times Indians retained their influential role in Arabia, which was a dwindling legacy from Vikramaditya’s times.
The Islamic term ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ derives from the ‘Eed of Piters’ that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition. In India, Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance. The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’ (worship of forefathers).
The Islamic practice of observing the moon rise before deciding on celebrating the occasion derives from the Hindu custom of breaking fast on Sankranti and Vinayaki Chaturthi only after sighting the moon.
Barah Vafat, the Muslim festival for commemorating those dead in battle or by weapons, derives from a similar Sanskrit tradition because in Sanskrit ‘Phiphaut’ is ‘death’. Hindus observe Chayal Chaturdashi in memory of those who have died in battle.
The word Arabia is itself the abbreviation of a Sanskrit word. The original word is ‘Arabasthan’. Since Prakrit ‘B’ is Sanskrit ‘V’ the original Sanskrit name of the land is ‘Arvasthan’. ‘Arva’ in Sanskrit means a horse. Arvasthan signifies a land of horses., and as well all know, Arabia is famous for its horses
All Arabic copies of the Koran have the mysterious figure 786 imprinted on them . No Arabic scholar has been able to determine the choice of this particular number as divine. It is an established fact that Muhammad was illiterate therefore it is obvious that he would not be able to differentiate numbers from letters. This "magical" number is none other than the Vedic holy letter "OM" written in Sanskrit (Refer to figure 2). Anyone who knows Sanskrit can try reading the symbol for "OM" backwards in the Arabic way and magically the numbers 786 will appear! Muslims in their ignorance simply do not realise that this special number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols misread.

take it away

removal of shoes when worshipping to keep our places of worship clean and holy shows a connection and a similarity to what Moses did and this is presently compulsory for all muslims to do.is that a good commendable act or is something bad?


like i told u earlier,the place moses was standind on is not a place of worship so don't try to force a parallel btw this and muslims taking off their shoes in a place of worship.God commanding moses to take off his shoes could have been symbolical and not meant to be repeated literally.

afterall,God did not command abraham to remove his shoes b4 sacrificing the ram even though the altar at which abraham did so  would qualify for a place of worship.

FYI hindus do this as well,should they also be commended?

again this shows an islamic practice.before we worship we wash.presently islam makes it compulsory we wash our face and hands and feet.washing of the nostrils and ears is not compulsory but commended even in islam.

the importance here is:washing.whether you wash your nose or not,bible evidence shows washing before praying which christians do not perform.

like i said ,this is for the priests not the whole congregation.BTW hindus do something similar,is the bible{or d koran} also approving of their practice

please try and be sure.dont come here to waste people's time

i'm only been sarcastic,buddhist,hindus,satanist and thousands of other religions kneel down to pray.u know that

take note of the phrase:"fell facedown".that is called "sujood".the jews even perform that.but again christians do not.you laugh and tell us we are hitting our head on the ground.

the phrase 'face down' is too broad and too vague for u to form a particular posture out of it.it could be the same way i prray on the mountain-by lying prostrate face down.making the phrase 'face down' mean showing God your butt is stretching imagination too far

other religions do not honor Jesus and Moses.do they?we muslims do.and Muhammad (sa) came to revive the tradition of the prophets and corrected the misguided christians who invented doctrines like trinity and the misguided jews who totally deny Jesus as someone sent by God.


don't introduce a red herring argument,u wre referring only to fasting and praying alone which ALL the world religions do,so i don't see how fasting and praying constitute ' Islamic Practices In The Bible Unknown To Christians'.besides,here are some non muslim religion who fast and pray and honour moses and/jesus

the bahai faith
chrislam
eckankar
grail message
gnoticism

so ur point?

initially facing Jerusalem,set a lessons for the muslims to accept that we believe in the previous prophets.then facing Makkah sets a lesson for others to recongnize the House of God in Makkah which was built by the father of the abrahamic faiths as the temple in Jerusalem.showing from the bible that prophets turned towards the temple of jerusalem is aimed at establishing the truth to the ignorant and stu.pid christians who think that when we muslims face the Qiblah we are worshipping the Ka'bah in Makkah.just as the prophets faced a direction for their prayer to be answered because God has blesssed that place as His "dwelling place" figuratively we too do the same.


summary-facing jerusalem was for a purpose and when the purpose was achieved God changed the direction of the qiblah,right?
in the same vein,God allowed these practices u mentioned initially,but when the new convenant came in Jesus,he did away with them.Got that?

but of course ur explanation is a lie!those face-saving theories u readily make to save urgod and his prophet from embarrassment,otherwise show me a quranic verse or an hadith that supports ur position above.
mohammed initially chose jerusalem as d direction of the qiblah to gain the approval of the Jews but when the jews would not stop mocking him he decided to change to mecca to get back at them.more on this later

your father is confused.you are the evidence of that!


see who is confused
Muhammad first said that it does not matter where you are facing to pray because God is everywhere (Sura 2:109). Then he changed his mind and said that we should pray towards Jerusalem, and then changed his mind again and said we should face Mecca (Sura 2:119-121, 138-144). And this contradiction is all in the same chapter.so  who is confused?my father or ur fake prophet and his alter ego allah?

and regarding eating of meat,here are your two contradictory statements depicting your confused christian soul:

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bros xtians don't eat meat sacrified to idols.at least genuine xtians dont

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jesus clarfied this by saying not what goes in makes u unclean but what comes from inside
i wonder why you would not eat what is sacrificed to idol since you say what makes one unclean is what comes from inside and not what goes in?


What more can i say,u are a muslim and ur mind is trained to always see contradictions.

pork,lizards,shrimps and any other animal are no longer considered unclean for human consumption but the case of meat sacrificed to idols is different.even if the meat sacrificed is an animal regarded as clean,the fact  that it has been dedicated to an idol makes it a taboo if u like for a believer to intentionally partake of it.doing so is tantamount to sharing in the worship of the idol.get that straight

so time to change tactics and go from the defensive to the offensive.
u demanded earlier that i give u proof that islam copied
my next post is from a hindu who believes islam has copied his religion's practices.what do u make of his points?do similarities in the practices means the quran approves of certain hindu practices?

@tomzman and godspeed.

can you please tell me what exactly you are refuting?

it depends exactly on the point u are labouring to make.i told u in my previous post that this thread is not appropriately titled.all i am seeing are muslim practices copied from the bible.do u deserve a thumbs up for that?

if on the other hand u think u are telling xtians that the bible approves of some muslim practices then u are mistaken.ponder over this earlier response by firebrand  for a mo

The Holy Bible has rightly been described as the The Book of books. Virtually all religions --- Xtianity, Islam, Eck. etc finds solace in identifying with the wonderful message of the book. It doesnt end there, even magicians claims affinity with the book. The truth of the matter is, this book called Bible is the reference book for all religions, sciences, researchers, historians, geologist etc.

Therefore, let the religionist continue to make reference to it to back up there claims, even their holy book dubiously and fraudulently 'copy and paste' directly from it and even goes further to recommend it (The Bible) for their reading.

For whatever reason or purpose you chose to read the holy scripture, that same purpose God would meet or deal with you.
"With the merciful THOU wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man THOU wilt shew thyself upright; with the pure THOU wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward THOU wilt shew thyself froward" Psalm 18:25-26

So if you read the bible unto salvation, you will surely meet God unto salvation, if unto condemination, you meet him unto condemination.
Go for more!

gbam!! that explains the futility of ur intellectual exercise.like i told u earlier,ask an ifa priest to read from the bible ,he is going to find something that 'justifies'is fate,does that mean the bible approves of it too?no!

in the same vein,u can ask the bahai faithfuls and chrislam adherents to turn the pages of the bible or the koran,u can be sure they'll come up with dozens of similar verses does that mean the bible or the koran approves of such practices?

let me give u this puzzle

i have a friend ,an animist,and lately i've been trying to convince him that God is not interested in animal sacrifices anymore and the next thing,he grabbed a bibke ,flipped thru the pages and came up with lots of instances where God commanded or condoned animal sacrifices from cain and abel to noah to abraham e.t.c.again'my friend took a copy of the koran and showed me that allah personally supplied ibrahim with a rm with which to make a sacrifice.my friend's question is:if God commanded animal sacrifices in the bible and the koran,does that not justify his continued sacrifice of animals to him?again he wants to know why xtians and muslims have decided to do away with this practice since God commanded it?can u pls offer a convincing answer?{of course this is purely hypothetical,but ur answer wld be welcome}

the above example will show u the futility of ur posts.hindus ,buddhistsand sikhs can show u dozens of their practices in islam,does that mean allah gives them his blessins too.think man.u're just on ur way to intellectual suicide with this post and how u've failed to see it as such amuses me.can u ever imagine a xtian ferreting thru the koran to seek approval  for xtianity?of course that would be absurd

yeah merry xmas and happy new year in advance to xtians in d house,especially david and frosbel. u guys have been doing a wonderful job of keeping these vociferous mohammedans at bay particularly david.i've seen ur previous exchanges with this guy and i must commend ur courage.

u know gone are the days when mohammedans capitlize on xtians little knowledge of their faith to put xtians on the defensive in every debate,but in u, these guys have found their match,,

kudos bro.

lagoshia who told u that the north central are predominantly muslims?they are xtians.from taraba to adamawa,plateau to benue and gombe.these have sizable number of xtians

BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD-MORE EXAMPLES:

1.Circumcision
Acts 7:8
And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.

John 7:22
Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

Luke 2:21
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

FYI i'm circumsiced!


2.Hijab
Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Timothy 2:9
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

1 Corinthians 11:5-6
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

how deut 22.5 approves of hijab is beyond me and yes women cover their heads in church at least in my church


Abstaining from prohibited foods
3.Dead meat
Leviticus 17:15
And every soul that eateth that which died of itself, or that which was torn with beasts, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger, he shall both wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even: then shall he be clean.

Deuteronomy 14:21
Ye shall not eat of anything that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.


4.Blood
Genesis 9:4
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


we abstain from blood my brother


5.Pork
Leviticus 11:7-8
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Deuteronomy 14:8
And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Isaiah 65:2-5
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

jesus clarfied this by saying not what goes in makes u unclean but what comes from inside

6.Food on which names beside Allah have been invoked
Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Revelation 2:14
But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

bros xtians don't eat meat sacrified to idols.at least genuine xtians dont

1.) Taking off your shoes before entering the place of worship:
Exodus 3:5
"Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground."
Acts 7:33
"Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals; the place where you are standing is holy ground.

Ok Mr apologetic, the place Moses was standing on here is not even a place of worship and never became a place of worship.BTW some other religions too don't wear shoes to their place of worship


2.) Ablution-Washing before prayers
Exodus 40:31-32
  and Moses and Aaron and his sons used it to wash their hands and feet.They washed whenever they entered the Tent of Meeting or approached the altar, as the Lord commanded Moses.
Acts 21:26
Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.


so this is ablution?your usual lame tactics of expanding the definition so that any thing islam can fit in.this does not mention washing the face or the nostrils.and besides this is only prescribed for the priests not the whole congregation

3.) Genuflection (Rukoo)
Luke 22:41

 
“He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed”,


Acts 7:60
“And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep”

Acts 20:36.
“When he had said this, he knelt down with all of them and prayed”.

am not aware only muslims kneel down to pray i think buddhists do too


4.) Prostration (Sujood)
Genesis 17:3
Abram fell facedown, and God said to him,
Numbers 20:6
Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them.



Joshua 5:14
"Neither," he replied, "but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come." Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, "What message does my Lord have for his servant?"
Matthew 26:39
"Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."


so when the bible says "fell down face down" what makes u feel jesus,abraham and joshua where not fully prostrate.or are u just arguing from silence.and here is the definition of prostrate from encarta

or pros·trate your·selfreflexive verb lie face downward: to lie prone or stretched out with the face downward , , e.g. in worship or submission
He prostrated himself before the emperor
Microsoft® Encarta® 2008. © 1993-2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


5.) Zakat (Charity) as a means of purification and growth
1Peter 4:8
"And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins".

charity is the old english word for love and not alms giving am sure u are aware of dat


6.) Fasting and Prayers
Matthew 17:21
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Mark 9:29
"And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting".

and am sure u know almost all religions fast and pray in various forms.so this point is lame


7.) Hajj-Pilgrimage To Makkah (aka Bacca in the Quran)
Psalm  84:4-7
"Blessed are those who dwell in your house;they are ever praising you.Selah Blessed are those whose strength is in you,who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.As they pass through the Valley of Baca,they make it a place of springs;the autumn rains also cover it with pools.They go from strength to strength,till each appears before God in Zion.Hear my prayer, O Lord God Almighty;listen to me, O God of Jacob.Selah Look upon our shield,c O God;look with favor on your anointed one.Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere;I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked. For the Lord God is a sun and shield;the Lord bestows favor and honor;no good thing does he withhold from those whose walk is blameless. Lord Almighty,blessed is the man who trusts in you.

here is the same passage from new living translation

4  How happy are those who can live in your house,
always singing your praises.
Interlude
5  Happy are those who are strong in the Lord,
who set their minds on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem.
6  When they walk through the Valley of Weeping,*
it will become a place of refreshing springs,
where pools of blessing collect after the rains!
7  They will continue to grow stronger,
and each of them will appear before God in Jerusalem.*


8.) Qiblah-Direction Towards the House of God While Praying
(Daniel 10: 11-12)
“Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towards Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God as he did aforetime.”


Jonah 2:4-7
Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.  I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

1 Kings 8:29
That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place.

u might want to explain why mohamed changed the direction of the qiblah from jerusalem{his original choice} to mecca?is allah confused



9.) Abstaining from alcohol
Proverbs 20:1
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise".
Proverbs 23:31-32
"Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!
In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper."
Romans 14:21
"It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Luke 1:15
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit [a]while yet in his mother’s womb.
Ephesians 5:18
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,


10.Bathing After intimate Intercourse
Leviticus 15:16-18
Any man who has a flow of Fluid must take a bath, but he still remains unclean until evening. 17If the Fluid touches anything made of cloth or leather, these must be washed, but they still remain unclean until evening. 18After Being Intimate, both the man and the woman must take a bath, but they still remain unclean until evening.

leaving aside the fact that this is a religious injuction,this is also a good medical advice.u don't have to be a muslim or xtin or buddhist to know that this is personal hygiene

11.) A Woman With Monthly Period Avoids Worship
Leviticus 15:19-27
19When a woman has her monthly period, she remains unclean for seven days, and if you touch her, you must take a bath, but you remain unclean until evening. 20-23Anything that she rests on or sits on is also unclean, and if you touch either of these, you must wash your clothes and take a bath, but you still remain unclean until evening. 24Any man who has sex with her during this time becomes unclean for seven days, and anything he rests on is also unclean.
   25Any woman who has a flow of blood outside her regular monthly period is unclean until it stops, just as she is during her monthly period. 26Anything that she rests on or sits on during this time is also unclean, just as it would be during her period. 27If you touch either of these, you must wash your clothes and take a bath, but you still remain unclean until evening.



MORE TO COME!

claims?am not making any claims am only stating the obviuos.the title of ur thread is misleading

again why ignore the fact that buddhisst and hindus can lay claims to almost all the points u raised and make their religion look valid similar to what u have done

lagosshia,i think u are a little confused.u got the topic of the thread wrong.

seeing that the bible came before the koran,the topic should have been"Islamic practices copied from the bible".how about that

like david said some of the verses u alluded to also apply to buddhist and other non christians and muslim

let an ifa priest open thhe bible u can be sure he'll believe he finds something that supports his religion

Between Funke Akindele and Saheed Balogun who is actually the better producer.

I have seen Funke Akindele's Jennifer,Omo Ghetto and Return of Jennifer and believe me they look so pedestrian.I don't know what the hype is usually about though i think Funke is a good actress,one of the greats in the industry

For saheed balogun, i have seen Omo Britiko,Modupe temi and Eti keta,they look decent.The stories are well thought out and well executed.Plus the guy uses one of the finest equipment in the industry at least in the yoruba genre.i'm not a big fan of him though as his acting to me looks so wack and childish

So what do u think?Is Funke Akindele overhyped or just lucky?Or is she that good as a producer?

i can see u are confused, so i will volunteer some education.

i have copied and pasted below the entry for 'crucifix' from encarta to clear up ur confusion

cru·ci·fix [krssə fìks]
(plural cru·ci·fix·es)
noun
representation of crucified Jesus Christ: a model or image of Jesus Christ on the cross


[12th century. Via French < ecclesiastical Latin crucifixus < Latin cruci fixus "fixed to a cross"]
Microsoft® Encarta® 2008. © 1993-2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

emphasis mine

i don't want to join issues with u either,i've seen many of ur posts on this forum and i find them so disgusting.

i'm only joining issues with deols cos she appears civilised

ciao

deols:
i checked your link and I find it fascinating.
1.People would do so much in order to prove anything wrong.
2.While some of the refutals are logical, others are plain hypocrisy and lies.
3.The fact that other similarities can be brought up does not prove them false. It just means you could read other meanings to them.

4.Islam was not spread by miracles. We just like to feed our souls with the extra ordinaries. They are not the real deal.

1.Actually it is the other way round.it's amazing the extremes to which pple can go to invent lies.some pple are not just going to accept everything they see or hear at face value,they are willing to take the pain to,as the bible counsels,'investigate every claim thoroughly and hold on to that which is true.'

for ur information similar hoaxes about Christianity have been disproved even by xtians on xtian websites[claims like bleeding crucifixes,a computer simulation that confirmed the earth stopped rotating about 3,500 yrs ago e.t.c]. These xtians understand that spreading falsehood will do greater harm than good to Christianity

2&3 am satisfied with jayriginal's response

4.of course.islam is not spread by miracles but hoaxes and lies!

olawalebab:
shame on you, publicly displaying your ignorance

Ignorance?i'll be very happy if u can point out to me exactly what it is i'm ignorant of.

At any rate i'm not interested in joining issues with u.i know ur type,a typical muslim who gets irritated and agitated whenever claims about his religion come under a little scrutiny

funny post

yes the pictures are talking-talking lies

click on the following link and watch your lies collapse like a pack of cards.

be sure to click on the respective link for each spurious miracle pictures

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Miracles

Thanks for the post

Personally i'll like to be involved in the film industry i've got the passion for films and i want to be involved.

i've studied the lives of revolutionaries in the industry like bruce lee and james cameron these pple have really inspired me

i think the film industry in nigeria is a goldmine which pple have not really exploited.it has the potentials of taking over the whole of Africa and the black world

But first things first.i want to get the training cos i believe in training over talent

which  standard film schoolis in the US?

What is the duration of the training period?

what is the cost?

what courses are on offer?

and how abt getting apprenticeship in a good film company like columbia pictures?

pls can u help me with these

Thanks

I know first bank has been taking people but they are pple who did their interviews this yr

what abt those who did last dec

and ur 2 friends which batch were they when did they do the interview

hi lagoseko long time
what happened to the much awaited third batch for experienced hire in first bank.tot u said the letters have been signed.some of us are still waiting.is it a dead end.
then the gtb stuff is it this year

shanda:
@Seun

As an insider, looking at the decision he's taken so far and the recently concluded re-visioning programme for all member of staff, I can only say he's out to transform the bank further. The blogger made some good points in defending some of his actions. No doubt, he was somewhat "harsh" as the DMD, I think he's calmed down since he took over in June. What most people don't know is that he has been in charge since last year, due to the health condition of Tayo. Finally, let me state here that GTBank has a well structured succession plan in place, God forbid if anything happens to Segun today, there more than ten capable hands that can take over. The bank's half year performance is an indication of where they are heading. The goal is to be the most profitable bank in Africa in five years. Tall as it may seem, it is achievable.

@Stagger
Sorry about the not so good experience you had, it's a lapse on the bank's part. The volume of fx transfers they do on a daily basis is huge, it's ineveitable not to have someone with similar experience as yours. That's why the bank added fx transfer feature to the internet banking platform. This mean that you can initiate FX transfer from the comfort of your home. Regarding the $30 charge, I can tell you that the deduction was not from GTBank.

shanda

i learnt gtb is recruiting for experienced staff.can u confirm?

if yes pls whats the process

and hw soon

lagoseko,hw far

we are still waiting oooooo

is it still safe to wait

ace101,whats new?
lagoseko,any idea when the next batch would be calld

congrats lagoseko.has anybody from lagos/west axis heard from fbn?

maybe kayzed shld update us as per the first bank stuff,he's in the system now.ace101 do u mean second batch wld be calld in june? cos they've calld the first batch

ziga:
The reason Naija is the way it is currently is because so many Nigerians lack logical thinking.

There is no need to argue or contest whether Nigeria is still or was ever "Giant of Africa". That is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE ISSUE.

The said statement in the commercial was an unnecessary jab directed at Nigeria, made by a Nigerian in an SA commercial that is supposed to promote SA to Nigerians There is no better way to describe that than insulting. And for the people who love the commercial, your brain is probably not mature enough to appreciate the message in it.

For the Nigerians who still do not understand, it takes tolerance of other people and maturity to become developed!

i agree with u perfectly.percorns insults are unwanted distractions from the main topic

RSA:
Horror! Maurauders kill 66-year old widow, four children in Jos
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Written by Isaac Shobayo
Monday, 07 March 2011

The Nigerian Tribune learnt that the attackers, numbering about twenty were said to have sneaked into the village at about 1:05 am when all the inhabitants had gone to bed, they gained access to the village through the hills in the neighbourhood.

It was learnt that on entering the village, they proceeded to Daguit family compound at the extreme end of the village close to the railway line and released several volley of gunshots into the air to probably scare the residents or to announce their arrival.

An eye witness account told the Nigerian Tribune that the assailants who were all in black attire to hide their identities shot at random within the Daguit compound and succeeded in killing a 66 years old widow and her four grown up children residing within the compound.

The eldest son of the widow who survived the incident by the whiskers, Ezekiel Daguit, told the Nigerian Tribune that the assailants were not robbers but assassins who came with the intention of wiping out the entire family. He said at about I: 05 am on Monday, his dogs were barking and he decided to peep through the window before coming out to see what was happening.

Ezekiel said before he could put his act together, the people had forced their ways into his mother’s room and pumped bullets into her. They were not done yet as they dragged the aged woman out of her room to confirm that she was dead. After that he said they moved to his sister, and also snuffed life out of her.

rsa crime is common 2 all countries of the world(u of all pple knows that, as your country takes the front seat in that) but we will never take our anger on innocent foreigners like u do in your country. but can u draw a parrallel btw what happened in jos and your own despicable apartheid (d effect of which still haunts u till dis day)which nigeria(the true giant of africa)rescued u from

pecorns:
@godspeed
firstly, i lived in South Africa for 6 years and I have been to all those cities except cape towns,

did u say lived?why didnt u stay put



you are talking about Nigerian airports, where as of last year, the lagos international airport still had power outaged, please don't riducle yourself,


as if sa don"t experience power cuts

Now, you are right, Nigeria tops South Africa in couple of areas that is worth being proud of, entertainment and population, that I totally forgot to mention, but when you want to talk AGRICULTURE, you must not know your facts at all, South Africa produces way more than Nigeria,


like?cocoa?cassava?palm?rubber?timber? nig is in global top 10 in these

you said Natural resources, LOL, OIL is practically a curse to Nigeria,

whatever,at least be brave to admit we beat your adoptd country in this

someone mentioned the Nigerian military, while our foot soliders are the best in AFRICA, the South Africa Air force can them them out in a heart beat,

how did u know this.do u know nig's strenth in d air?


one of the things you said you are proud of is that Nigeria telecommunication industry as grown to be the biggest in Africa, how is that an achievement, it just common sense, 150 million people, mean 150 million clients, there is no thinking about that, yes, we have come a long way and we are getting better, not unless we can produce and make our own cellphone, we will be always consumers, let us not jump to number 1 position overnight please,


i guess sa produces phones

heard first bank has started calling experience hire for medicals.can anyone confirm?

mohamash and percorns,i've never seen any nigerian as disgusting as u two,granted u are nigerians.u can be obsessed about s/a ,libya or south sudan for all i care,but when u use ur obsession to insult our sensibilities,then u need to be placed exactly where u belong.

to start with,percons,i'm 100% positive that u never visited all the s/a cities u threw at our faces,u are either fascinated by their names or by the fact that they were host cities for last year's word cup,and to insult us by saying no nigerian airport qualifies for a local airport in s/a ,mohamash u must be out of ur mind.the problem with u two is typical of all nigerians-we don't appreciate what is ours while we overate others.arent u two ashamed of the way s/african visitors to this forum defend their national identity and pride despite their internal problems of crime ,rape, hiv ,xenophobia and whatever.and yes s/africans do complain about their country but not to outsiders

mohamash,the attached newspaper article does not impress me for one.afterall nigerian journalists visit ghana for one weekend and come back to write mickey mouse stories about what a paradise the place is.i recall in 2002 when mali hosted the nations cup,one of the the nigerian journalists who coverd the events came back to tell us what a paradise mali is.pipes that never run out of water,electricity that is regular bla bla bla.i mean what do u expect from a country expecting a lot of visitors.one of my lecturers who visited rwanda came back to tell us how beautiful kigali is and that he would luv to settle there.ridiculous

ur assertion that nigeria's hosting of the u 17 wc in 2009 is "below par" ,mohamash, is the greatest lie ever told.fifa rates nigeria's organization of the u 17 wc as "excellent" and this comes from no less a person than sepp blatter.in fact,nig hosting of the u17 wc was rated better than that of egypt who hosted the u 20 wc earlier tht year.and if ur rating of nig hostin of the u 17 wc as "below par" is in comparison to s/a's hosting of the wc,then u are mistaken as the 2 tournaments,even to fifa,dont carry the same weight.the u 17 wc is only developmental.

we cannot take anytin away from s/a for organizing an excellent wc,as an african ,i share in that success.but then it wasn't a roller coaster performance.don't forget that as late as early 2009,there were serious(and genuine)concerns about s/a's readiness and capabilities to host the world cup, even by fifa.it took several assurances from sepp blatter to convince the whole world that s/a could actual host the competition.this does not paint the picture of the country u are tryin to sell.
all the infrastructures u praised to high heavens were hurriedly put in place for the world cup and u must be very naive to use that to rate the whole of s/a much less use that as a basis of comparism btw the two countries .afterall nig did the same thing in 1999 when we were preparing to host nig 99.all the host cities were touchd up and even lagosians even faild to recognize lagos.all these are just window dressing that cant be used for serious assessment.

u mention d fact tht s/a has the only speed train in africa.so what?i'm not even sure abt tht fact but even if it is true ,of wht consequence is tht.afterall nig used to have the only tv station in africa.the only reason nig cant have a speed train is because of electricity once we fix tht,s/a will be playin catch up.dont forget,pre 2000 nig has one of the lowest teledensity in the world,now nigeria is number one in africa and one of the biggest users of telephone in the world.

and as for ur five star visits.u must be so naive to use those as parameters to measure sa i mean what do u expect.if u are going to s/africa on a state visit to attend some state sponsored events to promote sa tourism,i mean u are goin to see exactly that.u dont even live in sa for petes sake.the same tin will also happen if the fg is sponsoring some foreigners to nig so i cant see the point u are strugglin to make.

as for the fink who said nig only beats sa in soccer,how abt interrel,human resources,natural resources,entertainment and agriculture sa doesnt come close to nig in these.the only reason sa comes tops nig in human indices is because of population.afterall eq guinea was was rated the most industrialized country in the world.i.e industries relative to population

lagoseko,did u read my comments very well or u're just itching to say sometin.
i did not say it has been jettisiond i'm onlyy askin for clarification.and by the way a reliable in house souse told me its still on that they want to sort out freshers first

heard last week that firstbank interviews av been suspended. cud some1 confirm too
what do u mean suspended?has it been jettisioned?

I did the first bank interview in dec last year in ibadan and i havent heard anything too.
can anybody pls bring us up to speed?