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BlueAngel444:
Abraham questioned God
Moses questioned God
Peter questioned Jesus who moved in a storm
Thomas questioned the resurrection
Paul questioned who he spoke to
Ezekiel, John etc etc questioned what they saw.

Why would a wise God choose to walk with fools

You think these men followed God blinded

Now these are stories written to us, but they teach us to discover the truth

In fact the scripture tells you if a person comes to you and tells you they are from God and tells you something will happen in the future and it doesn't happen that person is a liar

Who do you think invented the principle for verification, tests and the rest

Here's the thing with the truth it doesn't change like lies do. Today it's this, tomorrow it's something else.

You can verify scriptures if you want to, there are those who have done that.

And you can manipulate scientific results, ha ba we do am tire for physics lab once we know what we desire as an outcome all that's left is to make the process believable.

The fact is all Christians that follow God are doing it in blind Faith and your Bible is not an evidence he actually exist. The Bible is not an evidence of anything.

BlueAngel444:
but the earth is a flat surface na

ok

Swissh:
At some point, the entire world is going to confront China over this.

Which country in the world can actually confront China? They are the next superpower in the world after the U.S.

spillo1:
LMFAO.... Conspiracy theorist are the worst. They won't listen to anything rather than their own believe. Some even believe the Earth is not a planet.

I am all for conspiracy but the flat Earth thing doesn't make any sense to me. The FES started as a thought experiment/social experiment to take an indefensible position but now the flat Earth society are just trolls.

Griffon:
Yes SARS but Contagion relates most directly with the current danger. The 2011 film "Contagion" opens to the sound of a woman coughing, she had just returned to Minnesota with a strange illness after a trip to Hong Kong.

Flashback in the movie shows how the fictional virus emerged — with a bat in China infecting a pig that is later handled by a chef at a Macau casino, who transits the virus to a customer, played by Paltrow, by shaking her hand.

So far, health officials have traced the coronavirus to a “wet market” in Wuhan, China, a large seafood and animal market.

The movie's MEV-1 virus is a zoonotic disease, meaning it jumped from animals to people. In the film, it spreads from a bat to a pig sold at an outdoor Chinese market, before hopping to Emhoff. According to experts, the new coronavirus is also zoonotic disease that started in bats. It likely jumped to people via an intermediary species - most probably pork meat.

Coincidence or predictive programming?

Coronavirus is a strand from the SARS virus that mutated so definitely they are going to be concidence with a movie acted about SARS.
Scientist have predicated and warned China for years that a disease is likely to come from them base on the country culture and unhygienic markets. Here is a copy of research work carried it in 2007.

TiAd:
You're the one that needs to check the way you understand what I am saying. You can't discuss consciousness (a scientific concept) without mentioning soul (a philosophical concept). You can't have one without the other.

It's not possible for a being without a soul (dead) to be conscious (alive and aware).

Wonder why philosophy and logic is a core course for all aspiring scientists at the undergraduate level? Many scientific concepts today had their roots in philosophy (in the traditional sense of it).

The Wikipedia link I gave is what? Your view of the soul is what you need to check. If only humans have soul, then why does death affect all living things?

Most, if not all scientists, believe there are phenomena that seem mysterious because there is little scientific understanding about them. You can call such things "spiritual", "supernatural". Those are mere names that denote our current level of scientific knowledge about them.

When we get more scientific knowledge and make more discoveries about them, they will become normal things, nothing supernatural or mysterious any longer.

FYI, there was a time in human history that diseases were seen as spiritual attacks from a deity and needed to be treated by things such as prayers, offering a sacrifice to appease a diety, etc. Today, they've become normal (natural) phenomena, and only the ignorant ones hold that archaic notion now.

Thunder, lightning, rain, etc. were all seen as supernatural events in the past; today, the story is different. And humans are even learning to induce these things (creating them artificially).

Do you think scientific understanding of consciousness will stay the same in the next 50-100 years? That's unrealistic, when some scientists have already started conducting studies and research on it for some years now.

You don't seem to know much about philosophy, which is why you can't separate a concept in philosophy (soul) from that in science (consciousness).

It all boils down to your understanding of consciousness (or soul philosophically speaking), which seems flawed. The scientists that performed the experiments in that Wikipedia link felt living things like animals are conscious (aware), hence they've a soul.

Unless you are a religionist, you would have to present something extraordinary to show that a living thing isn't conscious or aware of its surroundings and hence has no soul.

Science deals with phenomena that can be objectively observed and measured. The soul, by contrast, cannot be observed or measured because it is immaterial. Soul beliefs belong to the realms of religion not science. You are just reaching by saying scientist will work with a soul or even create one. Religious sect beliefs in the existence of a soul while up till now there is in fact no credible evidence supporting the existence of the soul by scientist. Being aware of your environment and how you react to it is different from having a soul. Animals don't have souls neither do plants because when they die that's end unlike Man. The original concept of a soul comes from theological experts not philosophers. Theological experts believe in life after death which breed the concept of a soul that lives on after a person dies. The current scientific paradigm doesn't recognize this spiritual dimension of life. We are just the activity of carbon and some proteins; we live awhile and die according to scientist. Your understanding of soul is flawed.

spillo1:
LMFAO........ Alex Jones have corrupted this one head.

Eddie bravo is still the worst conspiracy theorist in the entire world not even Jones. The crazy part is how confidently he will say dumb shittt like the Earth is flat with complete conviction. Even when shown live satellite images, he thinks all the space agencies are working together to fabricate a lie.

TiAd:
Only some religionists believe that, especially Muslims and Christians. There are many things those ones believe, but the reality is different.

If a living thing (whether humans, animals, plants, microbes) has no soul, then it's not living.

Every living thing is conscious in its own way.

All living things are powered by a soul/spirit (consciousness). Souls have different groups, human group, animal group, plant group, etc.

If a living thing has no soul or consciousness, then it can't die. But just like humans die, animals, microbes, insects, plants, etc. also die.

Soul is a concept of religious beliefs not science. You are always saying things you are not sure of and with no source/link. Most if not all scientist don't believe in the supernatural and in the concept of a soul. A soul is not the same thing as consciousness. Can you show us a link or source were scientist grouped souls into different groups because it's starting to look like you just drop things that come into your mind. Now on the other hand you have failed to provide any other experiment by scientist performing the 21gram experiment on a man which tells me all I need to know.

TiAd:
You didn't take time to read the whole article on Wikipedia.

"Similar experiments

In December 2001, physicist Lewis E. Hollander Jr. published an article in Journal of Scientific Exploration where he exhibited the results of a similar experiment. He tested the weight of one ram, seven ewes, three lambs and one goat at the moment of death, seeking to explore upon MacDougall's purpored findings. His experiment showed that seven of the adult sheep varied their weight upon dying, though not losing it, but rather gaining an amount of 18 to 780 grams, which was lost again over time until returning to their initial weight.[10]

In 2009, this experiment was subjected to critical review by Masayoshi Ishida in the same journal. Ishida found Hollander's statement of a transient gain of weight was "not an appropriate expression of the experimental result", though he admitted "the cause of the force event remains to be explained". He also warned about possible malfunctions of the in two of the cases.[11]

Similarly inspired by MacDougall's research, physician Gerard Nahum proposed in 2005 a follow-up experiment, based on utilizing an array of electromagnetic detectors to try to pick up any type of escaping energy at the moment of death. He offered to sell his idea to engineering, physics, and philosophy departments at Yale, Stanford, and Duke universities, as well as the Catholic Church, but he was rejected.[12]"
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment

Animals don't have souls. I said experiments on measuring the soul of a man as you earlier informed us. They have been none at all.

TiAd:
What does that prove?

Did you read of more recent attempts?

You probably are not aware that some radical inventions of today or scientific concepts, which were earlier rejected by the scientific community, got embraced several years later upon more successful experiments.

There have a number of failed attempts to determine the mass of the soul as I stated in my former post you quoted.

But in as much as there is something that powers a man called soul, spirit or consciousness, some scientists won't stop searching.

And if it's there, they will find it. Though it could take years.

Just like NASA and space scientists won't stop sending space probes in search of extraterrestrial lives out there.

It is arrogantly stupid to assume only humans exist in this unimaginably big universe. That possibility is very slim.

They have been no other attempts since 1907. That man is the only one who thinks the soul has weight. Can you provide links of other scientist who have attempted to weigh the soul of a man since then.

TiAd:
Read about the 21 grams experiment on online sources, like Wikipedia, etc.

It is clearly stated on Wikipedia that the theory is from one man in 1907 and was rejected by the scientific community .

TiAd:
That's just one method.

More techniques will still be invented. One of them is working with a soul, not creating one. Some philosophers have stated soul or consciousness is a type of wave vibrating at a specific frequency.

Just like our thought is a form of waves.

Not all the types of waves in nature have been discovered, and more types are getting discovered with time.

Some scientists have tried to measure the weight of a soul (with the permission of the deceased) when it seems to be leaving the body of a dying man.

They've not been quite successful. But there will still be many trials, and they will be able to do so in the future.

The ingenuity of man has no limits.

Once they can do so, the next thing will be learning how to interact with and transfer consciousness. All these are within the realm of possibilities in science.

Where did you get the bold from?

TiAd:
That's just one method.

More techniques will still be invented. One of them is working with a soul, not creating one. Some philosophers have stated soul or consciousness is a type of wave vibrating at a specific frequency.

Just like our thought is a form of waves.

Not all the types of waves in nature have been discovered, and more types are getting discovered with time.

Some scientists have tried to measure the weight of a soul (with the permission of the deceased) when it seems to be leaving the body of a dying man.

They've not been quite successful. But there will still be many trials, and they will be able to do so in the future.

The ingenuity of man has no limits.

Once they can do so, the next thing will be learning how to interact with and transfer consciousness. All these are within the realm of possibilities in science.

Please provide a link were you got all this.

Griffon:
Go see the movie “Contagion.” Come back later, let us talk.

Contagion is a movie about SARS. Its beginning to look like you are just grasping at straws.

You cant just make a big claim and bring zero tangible evidence.

Swissh:
Italy just reported 793 deaths in one day and we haven't even gotten to it's peak. Just imagine for a moment any event that would cause that many deaths. Either a massive terrorist attack in a football stadium Or 2 full civilian planes colliding together. Thunder will punish all those Chinese for eating frogs and bats. This is beyond insanity.

More than 600 of those deaths come from the region of Lombardi. The north of Italy is bleeped up. Most people are still saying it's just the ordinary flu which is overhyped by the media. They maybe right because 20k people die from the ordinary flu every year just in U.S alone.

Chelsea fans who would you have preferred Chelsea had kept and would take back if you had to chose now.

Africans and our mentality . I really hope we become more open minded in the future sha.

obainojazz:
Examples of bad parenting

How exactly is Dwayne Wade an example of bad parenting?

Primer league are just delaying the inevitable. I'm surprised there were absolutely no provisions for a situation like this. What of players whose contracts expires in June and how will the championship clubs whose best players are from loans proceed. When will preseason and transfer window commence and the start of next season.

What is wrong with people flying from one country to another in this time of crisis . All flights worldwide should be grounded for the foreseeable future.

Swissh:
So Brazil don't extradite their natural citizen. So if a Brazilian goes to China and commit a crime then run back to Brazil he is safe. Men see country.

That's why Robinho is still a free man despite being sentenced to 9yrs in Italy for gang rape.

A40:
Why do you like lying unprovoked?

This was what you posted. You later edited and added the 'Could be wrong' part

This was my response

I don't know why you are tying yourself in tortuous knots and suddenly trying to play Artful Dodger as you were the one claiming abandoned matches start from default. It is same you that is now saying it varies from league to league and competition to competition after I told you what is already operational in Spain and Italy.

Since you argue there is no distinct rule why did you initially post this?

I think you're arguing against yourself at this point

This is my last response to you since you are being stubborn. Know the rules before saying something. If I ask you to show me the rules in Italy and Spain about a abandoned matches you won't be able to do so. According to IFAB an abandoned match is replayed like I said before. End of discussion.

Jodera:
Yeah, My bad! Just did it now

Cool.

A40:
All this long argument because you don't want to simply agree you were wrong ab initio. You claimed scores revert to nil nil

Since we have established that's not the case so why are you still arguing.

Did I tell you there was or there was no distinct rule? This I must be right by all means syndrome is a real problem

You said they start from where they stop in all occasions which was a big fat lie. They are cases scores revert to nil nil like the fa cup match between Tottenham and Bolton. I have been drumming it to you since yesterday that since there is no distinct rule nobody is wrong but you won't just accept that and move on.

Astark:
I think you don't know how FIFA and ballon d'or gives out their award.

Do you even know why modric won it in 2018 and Messi was placed 5th despite winning golden boot and all league trophies?

Penalties, assists, freekicks, man of the match awards and many others are closely taken.

Immobile have a better season than Messi is not a good statement to say

Balon dor is given by counting votes from journalists, captains and players. None of those criteria you listed are taken closely. We have seen coaches and captains voting for their friends and colleagues even when none of them did anything that particular season.

Astark:
yeah sure hellh be top 5 even when his team didnt qualify for ucl and got knocked out before round of 16 in Europa cup.

His coincou isn't even in euro and wasn't even top scorer in group stage.

Do you even know what you are saying? Italy qualified for the Euros and you don't have to be in Champions league to have a world class season. The season Liverpool almost won the league with Suarez everyone knew he was top 3 player that season if not the very best.

Since when does scoring freekicks become so important for a player or getting assists when as a striker he is banging in goals left,right and centre. I have never seen the obsession about assists until recently. At this very moment Immobile has had a better season than Ronaldo, Neymar and even Messi.

Astark:
ballon d'or isn't a poacher award. Immobile team were in Europa league and I can't recall anybody that won the playing in Europa but they were still kicked out before quarter finals.

His goals aren't special and a large portion of it is penalties (it will affect his ranking) no freekicks and he doesn't have assists to back of his performance.

If maybe he does win the golden boot and Lazio win the Seria a, the best award he'll get is Seria a best player.

Saying he's among the top contenders for ballon d'or is a joke

No body cares if his goals are not freekicks or are penalties. He is a striker whose job is to score goals and he is the top scorer in Europe this season pushing Lazio fighting for the league title with 7 assists as well. No striker has been better than immobile this season maybe lewandoski in terms of goals output. You have no clue about what you are talking about. The balon dor is a popularity contest if immobile is not ranked top ten if not top 5 players in Europe this season.

Astark:
his team is not among in any European competition (ucl and Europa).

He won't make top 20

Balon dor is a popularity contest that's why immobile won't be there. He is on course to win the European golden boot. How many strikers have been better than immobile this season?

Jodera:
what is false is the Fulham(which I acknowledge I wasn't sure) and fabrice playing for Tottenham.
Aside those two, I don't see anything false there

Bro do your research. It was an Fa cup fixture not Epl and the previous match plus result was scrapped. Tottenham won the rescheduled fixture 3:1 and it was full 90mins.

iamoyindamola:
It was Spurs v Bolton Wanderers and muamba never played for Tottenham

It was actually an Fa cup match not even Epl. The previous score of 1:1 was scrapped and the game started afresh. He doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Jodera:
Bros, even in EPL, they continue from where they stopped, they don't start afresh. I've seen it live in EPL. Tottenham against Fulham (I think) in around 2012 or 2013.
Tottenham player, Fabrice Muamba, collapsed on the field on the 30+ min. Because of that, the match was postponed, when they finally replayed the match, it started on the 30+ min they initially stopped. They didn't start afresh.
A40 is right

Make sure you can read and understand before jumping into a conversation. I am saying the organizers decide the outcome if it's to be replayed,Start from where it stops or take the result as it was before the match was abandoned. This is from IFAB.