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Arda1000:
so they didn’t know they were stark naked until they ate the fruit?
And they saw their unclothedness every time and had no shame till they ate the fruit is that what you are saying?

The funniest is how everyone has different understanding about a particular bible verse,a whole lot of chaos in a piece of book 😂

same way many read comprehension and still fail they english exam

Arda1000:
Saw after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit their eyes opened and they saw that they were naked.
My question is if they were naked all the while before eating the fruit,does it mean their eyes were not functioning?

eyes their means perception, insight, understanding. They had a different perception of themselves, you can see something several things and then one day you actually see it or see something in it, not because you were blind before but that day you saw it in a different way maybe based on how you felt or what was going on inside of you.

You know when you read something and your eyes open to the new information in your head.

The knowledge they had before they ate the fruit didn't make them feel ashamed but with this new knowledge they felt shame and looked for a way to deal with it by making leaves and covering their bodies. There eyes became carnal and they saw themselves not as living souls but as bodies made from dust

GanagiBitrus:
Christmas is a date set aside to mark the birth of Christ. Nothing pagan about that.

Anybody is free to celebrate that day as he chooses. You are equally free not to celebrate or mark that day.

date set by who?
Who said nobody was free to do anything before?

Christmas is a pagan and idolatrous practice, it has nothing to do with God nor the son of God. Don't come here and tell people they are free to burn incense without telling them they will die like those Aaron's sons except you want to deceive them with your false freedom.

After all are you not free to be idolatrous?

HeatSeeker:
Sacrifices are to be offered at the temple. The officiating priest is meant to collect them. Nothing is free! Stop this naivety

you are right it's just $30 and adeboye's temple is very understanding in that regard

Daejumong:
The Gospel should be free.

that your pix lol, well in their defense it's just $30 to meet G.O god, that's cheap

I wonder how much it would cost to meet the real God 😊

Kingsnairaland:
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You can not obey God laws you don't even have what it takes to accomplish this task only one man did it and still surrendered his life because of it

Let break it down

why would Jesus tell the rich young ruler he had to sell everything to attain eternal life many people teach this to lead you to believe that you gotta surrender your entire life to attain salvation

but Jesus didn't tell the rich young ruler how to be saved he showed him why he couldn't save himself Jesus gave him an impossible command on purpose Jesus was showing him and everyone that was watching that salvation cannot be earned by good works.

the young ruler asked the wrong question he said what must I do to inherit eternal life so Jesus answered him according to the logic of his own question Jesus took him down the path of works to show him where that would ends he said keep the commandments so the rich young ruler said I've done this since my youth

so Jesus said okay then sell everything and that final command wasn't a set of salvation it was the final blow to his works based mindset it exposed the one thing he could never do the thing his heart trusted more than God and Jesus did that intentionally because Jesus always raises the law to an impossible level when someone thinks salvation comes through their good behavior

just like the other examples in scripture when Jesus said cut off your hand if it causes you to sin be perfect as your father's perfect forgive others or your father won't forgive you

But notice those things jesus list are actually not new covenant salvation requirements those are the hammer of impossibility for anyone still trying to earn eternal life by good performance

the rich young ruler is one of Jesus's clearest demonstrations that if salvation depends on what you do the standard becomes so high that no one can survive it

and right after the man walks away Jesus proves the point he says with man this is impossible (.... which means using man's holiness to get salvation it actually impossible......)

but with God all things are possible (which means putting your faith in jesus then holiness of God is possible)

that's Matthew nineteen twenty-six that line is just Jesus's summary of the entire encounter what's impossible is earning eternal life through human efforts.....

. what is possible is actually seeing it as a gift of God..

Then that is how you get saved forever.....

Glory

bro this your fake Jesus na wa o, anyway THE REAL JESUS DID NOT DO THE NONSENSE you wrote here

GanagiBitrus:
Christmas is not a pagan tradition.
The date was deliberately chosen to replace the date for pagan traditions.

🤣 chosen by a pagan, well they have deliberately replaced it back to pagan tradition and idolatry.

It's not like you see symbols of Jesus all over the areas where Xmas is being celebrated

Luke.1.28 And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"

Highly favored, blessed among women... Yet

She married a poor carpenter, who by the way almost divorced her after not believing her vision
She gave birth to her son where animals eat and sleep.

If you are a young lady seeking God's favor would you see this as being highly favored.

If she was "highly favored" in a new generation mindset, she should be marrying someone else richer, powerful, more secure etc. Her life and status should transform.

She could have a carriage carry her to the best room and medical Center for delivery.

But Mary humbled herself to God's will and God used a star to bring great wise men from afar to visit them bringing wonderful gifts.

God's favor rewards those who submit to His will, for He gives grace to the humble.

DoctorAyukebot:
We celebrate our great grandmother's birthday every 3rd of June. She was born sometime in the 1920's without a birth certificate.. Let us know if we have been committing a sin so we can ask for forgiveness

did I tell you to or not to celebrate anybody's birthday? Is there a command for you to or not to do so? Why have you decided to mock yourself and the reasoning God gave you?

Funny enough from the olumide, to ashimolowo to kumuyi all are fake with their man made doctrines and Pharisetic messages

GanagiBitrus:
Majority of people who celebrate Christmas are actually not Christians in the true sense of the word.

All over the world, people use the occasion offered by the long holidays & the excitement of the approaching New Year to "enjoy" themselves with family & friends. They have nothing to do with Christ or Spirituality in their celebrations.

because Christmas is a pagan tradition obviously

Watch a typical holiday movie or hallmark original and it's the miracle of Christmas, the magic of Santa Claus, the donkeys sorry deers with magical antlers

Christmas or recently called Xmas is about Santa Claus and their fake sun god worship, that's how idolatry worship goes with mass fornication, revelry, drinking and the like. It's you who mistakenly think Jesus was born Dec 25 and there's supposed to be someone birthday celebration on a wrong date.


Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not Jesus X of Rome

Make a decision for Jesus today, the sooner a person who is sick and dying takes treatment the better.
But if you want to make a resolution because you are afraid you will die soon or that tomorrow might be too late don't bother your resolution won't last. Such fake fear might prompt you for a while but after many days you will be like you were before.

If you want Jesus, don't be afraid to die, like that guy Jesus promised paradise. If you must fear something, don't fear death nor tomorrow but fear God, the LORD God who is able to demand your soul and kill it at anytime.

If Joseph is the example, then I don't think everyone will face such temptation nor fall for it. Joseph wasn't tempted by a single young beautiful woman, but his boss's wife. He already saw his father's reaction to Reuben sleeping with his concubine.

The question is was there a man "tempted" or approached by a young single fine woman and he said no? Abraham, nope not him, Boaz, nope he went and married her, Judah, nope, Jacob well we know he didn't say no three times.


When Jesus said don't look at a woman lustfully he meant don't look at another man's wife, because in Hebrew the term for woman is the same for wife. Imagine if Jesus was saying don't desire any girl, is it men men should now desire?

Was there an attendance register 😏

What a bunch of misinformation and false title, "a child was born and was called God"


Is it the spirit of the false Christ who claims to be a god that made you not quote

Luke.1.31 - 32
You will become pregnant and have a son, and you are to name him Jesus. He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.


The child will be called son of God, son of the Most High and not called God like you misused Isaiah... Emmanuel isn't God's name, it is YHVH, Emmanuel means God with us, that doesn't make the person bearing the name a god or God, just like every one bearing the name el, like in Elijah or Elisha, God (so misquoting Isaiah 9:6 also)

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no rising from the dead without the dying into the dead.

And the dying/rising would not have washed our sins and save us if The Law had not provided for the sacrifice of the remission of sins.

is all this to contradict what I wrote and probably prove your point that Jesus dying was the specific reason he came?

Dtruthspeaker:
I knew his saying the word "specific reason" caught you but I did not know that you believed that Jesus did not come to die. Which explains why you agree with him.

Whereas, everything Jesus Taught, is exactly what the prophets taught also. So, if it is about teaching, then He need not come as, as He said in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, "we have the prophets", so one more Prophet is not of much value.

But if you remember that The Law demanded sin offering, because of The Law of sin and guilt, you would now understand that Christ's main purpose and aim for coming which was different from the other prophets was to die to save mankind.

A fact which Lawyer Paul, took the pains of explaining in detail in Hebrew from chapter 4 to 9 and in other letters but you obviously did not get it

bro the good news is not that Jesus died but that Jesus rose from the dead

1Cor.15.14 - And if Christ was not raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your trust in God is useless.

1Cor.15.17 And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless, and you are still under condemnation for your sins.

If you read all my responses and post you won't have said I agreed to what he said as if I agreed to all he said

Lol "you know the taste of your chicken" 😅 I think we know the culprit

essentialone:
Deeper Life members are now free to use TV and TikTok, says Pastor Kumuyi

What changed?

he has decided to "set them free" to use them, that's what changed

Don't know if they are free to watch non deeper life programmers

Emary:
The purpose of baptism is to bring the person, child or adult, into the family of Christ. It washes away the original sin of Adam which everyone is born with. This is the reason for infant baptism in the Catholic Church. As they grow, they are taught more about the faith. At the age of reason which is about 7 years, they get to go to confession and then partake in Holy Communion through which they are sanctified. Jesus made it clear that we are to confess our sins to one another and whatever would be forgiven on earth would be forgiven in heaven or vice versa. In Acts 10, Cornelius and his entire household were baptized. Jesus also tells us to suffer the children to come unto me. It's all biblical, though subject to interpretation.

Personally, it's all my early childhood indoctrination that carried me through until I actually built a better relationship with God.

Did you not read and learn from Jesus that water cannot wash away a person's defilement as it comes from within?

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see that he said that Jesus did not come to die?

"The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later."

the purpose of Jesus coming can't be said that he came to die bro, but yeah he died but the death isn't the main point of his coming but part of the message of salvation in that Jesus rose from the dead which can't occur without him dying.

If you truly believe Jesus came to die then his didn't have to be born, nor grow up and teach, all he had to do was come and die and stay dead. This is what he wrote "The idea that Jesus came specifically to die... " which isn't the SPECIFIC REASON Jesus came.

Shey there's a church that celebrates his death every sunday, lol

Lol seeing a lot of blanks means some punks have come here to post, glad I don't need to view them.

The only thing I see off from what theawakensoul wrote is that Paul's theology formed Christianity, that would be incorrect seeing that he like the rest of the believers called themselves followers of the Way.

Anyway Jesus dying for sins wasn't a later theology, it was in scriptures before Jesus was born and even thought by Jesus himself, now I do agree that Jesus was murdered as even himself said so before his own death and that how it played out. So Jesus was murdered he didn't commit suicide.


I also absolutely agree that God never needed blood, and the blood of Jesus isn't for God but for sinners coming to repentance and the main reason is to purchase them from the devil. The wicked took his blood as the price to let "us" go. So we are set free and overcome first by that price paid on our behalf that the second death passes over us.

God so loved us that he sent us his son Jesus not for us to kill him but for us to believe in him, listen to him and obey him, even knowing that those who hate Him will kill his son He made even his death of value and rose him up after three days.

The blood of Jesus stands as a testimony against the devil that a man can live without sin and overcome his temptation, a symbol of his defeat bore evidence with the resurrection from the grave, from death above the powers of the wicked.

So everything and all worked out for our good. And that's why Jesus had to teach them from scriptures why the Messiah had to die and rise again.

Yes he was murdered Peter preached it, Paul preached it and those involved hated it, though they didn't preach that to condemn them but to celebrate the glory of God revealed through his resurrection, they failed to repent from their mistake and continued to persecute them.

So while I do agree with certain points in the OP I see no evidence from the involvement of Paul in said corruption of God's word

APOSTLECHUMA:
A RIGHTEOUS GOD WILL BE UNJUST TO SEND A CHILD TO HELL FOR SIN THAT ADAM AND EVE COMMITTED OVER 6000YERS AGO. JESUS CHRIST DIED AND TOOK AWAY THAT SIN AND GOD WILL NEVER SEND ANY ONE TO HELL FOR IT AS IT HAS BEEN WASHED AWAY. ANY ONE THAT WILL GO TO HELL AFTER THE WORK OF SALVATION AT CALVARY WILL DO SO FOR REJECTING GRACE, NOT BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN. THE KINGDOM OF GOD, CHRIST SAID, BELONGS TO CHILDREN AND THEY DONT GO TO HELL REGARDLESS OF HOW SINFUL THEIR PARENTS WERE. BECAUSE THAT SIN HAS BEEN WASHED AWAY. UNTIL A CHILD GETS TO THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY, WHERE THE CHILD CAN DIFFERENTIATE B/ W WRONG AND RIGHT, THAT CHILD WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HELL. CATHOLICS CLAIM THAT PETER WAS THE FIRST POPE BUT THE FIRST POPE WAS MARRIED AND HAD A FAMILY WHILE PRESENT DAY POPES AND PASTORS THEY CALL REV FATHERS TRAMPLE UPON GOD'S COMMANDMENT BY NOT GETTING MARRIED. THEIR FIRST POPE PLACED REPENTANCE BEFORE BAPTISM IN ACTS 2-38, JUST LIKE IN MARK 16-16 AND LUKE 24-47. BAPTISM IS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE GROWN UP TO THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY NOT ENFANTS. ENFANTS ARE TO BE DEDICATED JUST THE WAY IT WAS DONE TO CHRIST, NOT TO BE BAPTISED, THATS WHY WE HAVE CHILD DEDICATION. cfountainoftruth@yahoo.com

bro Jesus didn't die because of Adam's sin but for "our" sins, "our" being those who become or have been friends of Jesus, followers obedient to God's word.

immortalcrown:
You are confusing yourself.

First of all, it seems you do not believe in original sin. No adult has stopped committing sins after being baptised. Yes, baptism is meant to discourage sin. But baptism does not mean that sin has become impossible in the person's life. So, The main significance of baptism is cleansing of original sin. Baptism is a ritual that demonstrates belief. Those who believe in original sin accept infant baptism for babies.

the question I have now after following your wonderful convo is, do you or you guys believe that water baptism is for the removal of original sin which you translate to mean inherited sin?

Next question is, did Abel inherit the said sin?

Daniluv1:
Child water baptism is very wrong by not letting that child grow enough to decide if he or she wants to be baptized, baptizing should be a choice and not hereditary

I have been reading this from others not just you, "child baptism is wrong" let the child grow up, have we ever thought about CIRCUMCISION like or I will let my son grow up and decide if he wants to go through the painful process of circumcision.

I don't support deeping a child into water or sprinking but I do support a child receiving the Holy Spirit and circumcision of their hearts, make them prophesy while they are still sucklings.

But if we keep saying child water baptism is wrong because they are "too" young that's not a valid excuse sha.

If salvation is based on oh you must hear and understand the Gospel then many illiterates are in hear abi, I believe the must important thing or the first thing is one's heart and that why it's written we believe in our hearts, if a child or an illiterates heart is right with God then he who gives the Holy Spirit, who sees the heart and judges it can baptize and fill an infant with the Holy Spirit, it is a gift with age limit.

Alfred200825:
Is Child Dedication even Biblical?

Luke.2.23 The law of the Lord says, "If a woman's first child is a boy, he must be dedicated to the Lord." (NLT) bro Jesus was dedicated according to the law which is in the Bible

Zionmdde:
Ref: Roman's chapter 6

Now go ahead and give me references for child baptism

did you read the OP, if you did you won't ask me for "references"

Now Romans 6, from Rom.6.4 - 5
For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives. Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised as he was.

Now it does say we have resurrected, does it? Obviously not.

We died to sin, not physically died

Rom.6.6 - Our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.
Rom.6.7 - For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin.
Rom.6.8 - And since we died with Christ, we know we will also share his new life.

Now the baptism Paul teaches is not water baptism, which he himself did not practice. It is the baptism of the holy Spirit.

Acts.11.16 - Then I thought of the Lord's words when he said, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
Acts.11.17 - And since God gave these Gentiles the same gift he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to argue?"


1Cor.12.13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

BrosG007:
Whether it is right or wrong is not the issue here, the issue is what's does a child knows or what's his or her conventions, intentions - no perspectives or ideologies to warrant baptism?

This is just one of the flaws of religion....truth every new born are born atheist.....his or her religion or ideologies are derived from his or her surroundings or family of birth

"born atheists" abeg explain? Are you saying every new born was born believing their is no God?

MyExpression:
Is BAPTISM as a whole, right or wrong?

The first person to enter heaven after The death of Christ, wasn't baptised.

what if he was, and I don't mean water baptism?

Zionmdde:
What is you described is not baptism, baptism signifies death to sin, burial and resurrection in Christ. That's why you immerse the person in water (death) and raise him up (resurrection)

Now that process can only be valid with Roman's 10:9
And a baby cannot believe in Jesus nor confess his Lordship and therefore not qualified for salvation

signifies? More like symbolizes, because none actually occurs during the said baptism, neither does the person die nor do they resurrect to eternal life at water baptism

Djlast:
I believe a child's fate should not be decided by parenting.
Most parents end up destabilising their ward's potentials by personal choices. Let a child grow and choose

so how will a child grow without parenting