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Christianity Etc › Re: What's The Difference Between The Grace-Alone And Hyper-Grace Preachers? by gohf: 8:17am On Aug 02
💯 and from Jesus comes grace AND TRUTH, suspect every grace that lacks the truth that sets the disciples of Christ Jesus free.

God seeks those who worship in Spirit AND TRUTH, suspect every spiritual worship that lacks the truth that connects us to the life of God.

If you find a grace that doesn't reveal the true Christ to you, then you are in bondage. Any grace or spirit that tells you Christ is God is of the devil, any that tells you you are under the law of the priests and Levi and have to tithe, circumstances, give special offerings and sacrifices to please God is if the devil
Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Openly Christian World Cup Ever? (Video/Photos) by gohf: 8:07am On Aug 02
jesusjnr2020:
The Most Openly Christian World Cup Ever?

The 2026 FIFA world cup hosted by 3 nations, USA, Canada and Mexico, finally come to an end last week sunday, however its effect is still being felt around the world.

One area that yet astonishes many observers, is that of star players, coaches, and other staff of several national teams, openly praying to God and unashamedly expressing their faith in Jesus for the whole world to see on football's biggest stage, in a way never seen before.

From individual football stars praying and giving glory to God, even casting their crown before King Jesus, to a whole team of players, coaches and staff gathering together and forming a circle on the pitch to pray and glorify God, to opponents on the football field yet coming together after matches to pray and give God thanks and adoration.

Watch video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2GC-RaVneA?si=vOqSUImIlMZKe9lI
lol wasn't it that Messi looked up and won England why didn't it work again against Spain. Guess prayer pass prayer 🤣
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Your Church Preach About Rapture And The Coming Of Christ? by gohf: 8:05am On Aug 02
cutecommend:
When last did you hear about rapture and the coming of Christ in your church? Does you church remind you of eternity and rapture? Do they talk about it properly or is it messages on finance, wealth, prosperity, favour, vision, economic impact etc you hear always?

Make sure you attend a church that prepares you for heaven.
lo church that prepares you to accept the false Christ who claims to be God abi
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 7:17pm On Jul 26
erad:
What evidence please?

Enlighten me.
the Holy Spirit
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 7:16pm On Jul 26
motymop:
Jesus forgave judas but because judas was weak in the heart, he was filled with guilt and committed suicide.

If he was strong hearted, he wouldn't have killed himself
strong heart from where? Maybe if he had believed Jesus and God would forgive him and believed the gospel in the first place, he wouldn't have the spirit of fear, weaknesses but of power and soundmind to remind that there is forgiveness in Christ
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 7:14pm On Jul 26
Lucifyre:
At least that's better than a deity that appeared out of nothing and nowhere like magic. Then went on to create everything out of nothing like magic, decided to impregnate a "virgin" with himself, in order to sacrifice himself to himself for conditions he "created" in order to fix his "creations" - which he called good btw. Creations he had already tried to fix earlier by drowning all of em for using the "freewill" he gave them. There's levels to ridiculousness, this one takes the cake. You see, others can strawman too.
strawman can be when you actually get the point not when you absolutely miss the whole blueprint.

Bro you choose your own fiction, no shame in that 😊
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 11:07am On Jul 26
motymop:
there is always opportunity to get saved after committing crimes and i love God, he will always forgive.

that is why in this world i dont even believe in sins because at the end of the day, it is a means to an end, we cheat and lie because it is a means to an end and at the end god will always forgive us of our sins, as long as we accept him
lol I wonder what Judas Iscariot would say about this
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 11:05am On Jul 26
Ilamina:
Stop making life look easy

I worked hard but still a loser
you had the ability to work hard and yet you consider your self a loser?

Is it not because this life is all there is to you

If we work 20+ days a month just for one day of pay, is it not because we are looking forward to a reward, because of that hope for that future, for that reward we do not consider themselves losers. But when there is no hope such depression is present.

If you calculate your whole life to a few decades then you are right, you are indeed a loser because when you die you lose it all, BUT, I repeat BUT, if your life is counted in millennias and even that would be days compared to eternity would you consider a few years of your life as you being a loser. when you haven't even lived yet, when there is yet a reward waiting for you.

I tell you this, what you need is life, new life that doesn't fade away to death but continues to eternal life. A life that comes with hope in Christ, that makes you an overcomer, a winner who inherits the world.


Life on earth isn't easy, but it's beautiful, it's hard, we gain, we lose, and while we rejoice, some weep, while we weep some rejoice, we go to bed full, some lay down hungry, at times the simplest stuffs make us happy or sad, at times we miss being grateful for them or for even having life, or walking, talking, just because we believe we deserve to. But do we consider how does who lack what we have feel.


Please Listen

Proverbs 3:5-6: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:49am On Jul 26
judewrites:
You are twisting the scriptures....

How can you say, "so what He cried and wished all that didn't happen?"

Do you know the depths of pain Jesus faced on the cross? He that never knew sin, became sin for us all, but what hurt him the most was the intimacy with God lost because of sin.

I don't like arguing scriptures online, so I leave you alone to your twisted teaching.
was him turning to God twisting scriptures or do you feel uncomfortable with my words that you repeatedly neglect the point.

The emotions Jesus felt are not understated but they pale in comparison to God's love and mercy to fulfill His word.

Why could you not see that? That God doesn't move based on how we feel about Him but based on His promise to us, we may feel forsaken but His word will come to pass.

If it did not matter to God that Jesus His beloved son had become sin according to God's will, sin he could not beyond. God showed us what Paul wrote, even if all the sin existed, there will be much more grace available.

Even Jesus who felt forsaken said, I commit myself to you. Even Jesus who cried take it away, said Your will God not mine.

Sometimes we glorify sin so much we miss the point. That's why John wrote, if you sin turn to God, repent and He is merciful to forgive you, even if your heart condemns you know that GOD is GREATER THAN YOUR HEART.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 10:43am On Jul 26
erad:
The real question should be "do you believe in the existence of heaven?"

The answer is "NO!".
those who do not believe, do not know and they have no assurance because faith hasn't come to them. But if you want evidence to believe, there is evidence, but are you willing to listen, are you willing to open your eyes and see
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 10:41am On Jul 26
AntiChristian:
Christianity no dey Bible and was started by Paul after Jesus.
argument about this or that will not reveal the path of salvation. The response remains, all those who genuinely love are of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:39am On Jul 26
Tjoccmars:
You have everlasting life when you are saved. You cannot be unsaved again. Everlasting means= No ending. Nothing can take you to hell because you cannot be condemned.
Salvation is never by works.
work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Yes salvation is never by works, but what works? Works of love? No, works of righteousness? No... Salvation is never by works of the law aka the religious rites of the levitical priests.

Even if you have faith it must express it's self through love, for you are nothing without love no matter how great your faith is. For faith without works of love as taught by James, is dead.

So therefore, our salvation is based on doing God's will and obeying the commandment to love God, our neighbors and yea to a lesser extent even those enemies.

Are we saved yet? No, but all who believe and listen to Jesus SHALL BE SAVED as we endure to the end. Shalom
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:35am On Jul 26
judewrites:
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
— Mark 15:34

Jesus became a sin offering on the cross and a result God temporarily forsook Him.

Jesus took the whole punishment for sin which belongs to all us. He was disfigured, tasted death and was in hades.

He took away our sinful nature and gave us power over sin. So any Christian who decides to live in sin has deliberately chosen to go to hell.
you missed the point, so what Jesus felt forsaken, so what he cried and wished all that didn't happen. He turned to God who had the power to raise the dead and didn't turn to his own righteous deeds. He believed in God's mercy and promise that His holy one will not see decay and He obeyed. Because even sin cannot stop God from being faithful to His promise.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 10:32am On Jul 26
AntiChristian:
Very sure if I die upon Islam!
I doubt any religion even Christianity tag will get you or anyone into God's house. You had better do what's right and love genuinely from your heart
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 10:31am On Jul 26
HacheNoire:
I know it does not exist so I have never contemplated if I will make it or not!

It’s pure fiction to give the mentally conquered hope that their is a better place after death.
I guess you believe a "better" fiction that the world created it's self?!
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 10:30am On Jul 26
Ilamina:
I wish I was that lucky

Only lucky people make it
luck is the world's way of referring to grace found by the righteous.

If you seek God you will find Him, and have that luck as well. E no hard
Christianity Etc › Re: How Sure Are You To Make Heaven? by gohf: 10:29am On Jul 26
chatinent:
Nothing like making heaven. If heaven was an option, God wouldn't have created the earth.
bro so why did God make the moon and the stars since there is a sun?
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:25am On Jul 26
Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are mixing it up. If you are saved by Jesus, then why do you need to accept Jesus?

If the fireman saves you from a burning building do you need to accept him and even know his name? No. For he has already saved you.

So, the question is has Jesus Saved?
And if He has, then when did He save?

And note, there are many scripture that show that the saving has not yet occurred as we are all still in this burning building called earth, so there is almost nothing like a saved person.
true 💯✅ but lol you know that part he mixed up may have been a mistake
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:24am On Jul 26
Vifx:
So salvation now comes with a 'remember to clear your sin history before midnight' policy? Sounds more like software maintenance than grace.
Interestingly. So Jesus said 'It is finished,' but apparently the fine print says, Terms and conditions apply grin
Jesus said that work, that job is finished, but he also told us to pick up our cross and follow him.

If person finish road na your job to follow the road
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:23am On Jul 26
MrPresident1:
Saved from what?
Are you born to be saved, why do you need salvation and from what?
Salvation from what exactly and for what?

So, automatically as we are born we need salvation? Do they also need the salvation in China, Austria, Japan! Moldova, Afghanistan and Mongolia?

What is this salvation all about?
from death and for eternal life
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:22am On Jul 26
judewrites:
If Jesus became sin and God the father looked away from Him sad....who are you that will enter heaven with any sin?

Just one sin can disqualify even the holiest from making heaven!

You have to work out your salvation, nothing like forever saved if you live in sin!

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity...
— Habakkuk 1:13
he looked away?! But even that sin couldn't keep Jesus dead, all the sins he carried and he still rose up and ascended and sat down at God's right hand. Think about that. All of humanity sins, billions, trillions of sins or even more couldn't keep him dead yet should we believe that the sins of one man of you alone can overcome God's love and mercy when you commit your self to God.
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:17am On Jul 26
motymop:
one thing i love about christianity is that you can commit all the crime in the world, after killing people and stealing from them...jesus christ will still forgive you on your dying bed grin grin

there is literally no repercussion as long as you get saved after committing crimes, God will forgive you

that is typical Christian doctrine
lol that's if the opportunity is even given abi 🤣 I mean waiting till one's death bed like one has an appointment and knows that day. If God grants anyone the opportunity and grace to repent it's probably because He has dealt with them accordingly to his judgement and mercy
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Person Is Saved, Is He Or She Forever Saved? by gohf: 10:16am On Jul 26
chatinent:
Saved from what actually?

Na you commit wetin dey say dem commit for Bible?
from eternal death and destruction
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Relationship With God Wasn't Enough To Save God's People, Israel by gohf: 10:12am On Jul 26
you can't even have a relationship with God if you don't repent and turn to God, like how does anyone expect to have a relationship with someone they are away from.

If there was a relationship, and you left God for the world, then repent and return to Him. Can't be outside God's ark and expect to be saved from the flood.
Christianity Etc › Re: Morality and the ten commandments by gohf: 11:07pm On Jun 28
Goosethetruth:
Like I said earlier, you can twist and turn like a pretzel and turn as much Amala and Eba as you want. The simple fact is the Christian God and his book do NOT once condemn slavery but rather promote and advocate for slavery as an institution of virtue!!!
Show me one place in your holy book where just one of the holy men inclusive of Jesus,condemned slavery just once!!!
Lol... grin
bro you are condemned already for being a slave to sin which Jesus came to set you free from.

By the way did you know not all slaves were forced or slaves of war, some where situational slaves who sold themselves off so as to survive

Slavery was also a fun of punishment like imprisonment,
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Some Pastors Avoid Preaching About Hellfire by gohf: 11:03pm On Jun 28
Kemical23:
So you are one of them, pls I from the south south before you tag me Muslim....
If you carry this your mindset come close to my door step I will not take it likely with you...
you think who you are and where you are from matters before God or you tell yourself there is no God, everything just appeared like that
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Some Pastors Avoid Preaching About Hellfire by gohf: 11:01pm On Jun 28
jamesman10:
book written by which God? a book written by your colonial masters is the book of life,weldone brainwashed fools. do yourself good and read about canonisation of the scripture
mind u I went to one of the best Bible school in Nigeria 99 percent of trained pastors don't believe in hell some may preach it just to make a living
did you receive the Holy Spirit from Jesus that teaches the truth?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Some Pastors Avoid Preaching About Hellfire by gohf: 10:59pm On Jun 28
Truthseeker10:
Did he burn them in hell?
no but he will burn alot in lake of fire
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Some Pastors Avoid Preaching About Hellfire by gohf: 10:46am On Jun 28
paxonel:
Jesus was quoting the law!

Hell fire there was a physical punishment among the Jews in those days for breaking the law.
In some cultures, if you curse anyone, you will receive 10 strokes of the cain right there as punishment.
But in the Jewish culture of those days, if you curse anyone you will receive hell fire right there as punishment.

So, what is that punishment called hell fire?
It might just be going to the farm to clear forest of cassava to make akpu for village people.
That is your punishment for insulting a person
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Christianity Etc › Re: Morality and the ten commandments by gohf: 10:44am On Jun 28
Goosethetruth:
You are just being clever by half.
The Christian Bible and God consistently extole the virtue of slavery and in fact advocates for it constantly. Like I said earlier instead of using the first three commandments to emphasise self,the Christian God could have simply condemned slavery.

Here are passages from the Bible that extole and encourage slavery as an institution of virtue. Please get out your Bible and fact check me!

1.Exodus chapter 21 verses 20-21
2.Exodus chapter 21 verse 2.
3. Leviticus chapter 25. Verse 44.
And if in your usual way of deflection that the New Testament has wiped away the old laws here is the books of the New Testament glorifying and promoting slavery as a virtue.
Please open your Bible to the New Testament to fact check me again!!!

3. Colossians chapter 3 verse 22.
4. 1st Peter chapter 2 verse 18.
5. 1st Timothy chapter 6 verse 1.
Ephesians chapter6 verse 5.

Now you are free to start contorting like a pretzel and start turning Eba and Amala.
Lol.. grin
If you are clever by a 'full' then you should learn what extole and encourage means before you misuse it like a 'full'

So let those who are wise read and check how did God, praise, make high, glorify, support, motivate, recommend or give a command for establishing slavery

Exod.21.2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. (NIV)

Humans decided to take each other has slaves and Moses wrote laws to govern the behavior of Israelites towards their slaves remembering they were one slaves. So because a person is a slave to you doesn't mean he can do and undo to them, you shall not commit murder, their freedom belongs to you not their life.

Exod.21.19 - If the injured person is later able to walk again, even with a crutch, the assailant will be innocent. Nonetheless, the assailant must pay for time lost because of the injury and must pay for the medical expenses.
Exod.21.20 - "If a male or female slave is beaten and dies, the owner must be punished.
Exod.21.21 - If the slave recovers after a couple of days, however, then the owner should not be punished, since the slave is the owner's property.
Exod.21.22 - "Now suppose two people are fighting, and in the process, they hurt a pregnant woman so her child is born prematurely. If no further harm results, then the person responsible must pay damages in the amount the woman's husband demands and the judges approve.


God frees slaves and prisoners yet they both still exist.

God nor His church established slavery, the apostles taught how we should treat and love people around us. What? Were you expecting the church to abolish the government of the world?

Col.3.22 - You slaves must obey your earthly masters in everything you do. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. Obey them willingly because of your reverent fear of the Lord.
Col.3.23 - Work hard and cheerfully at whatever you do, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people.

Bro most Nigerians are slave, we work for what we eat and what we wear daily, the rest is taken away by our owners or leaders. The church had no legal authority to abolish Roman slavery, or you want to use your cleverness by a "ful" to tell us how the church would have abolished it or should they have told them, rebel, kill your masters, rape their daughters, hurt them back.

Okay, Peter, I bet you didn't read those verse nor will you read this, Mr. Clever
1Pet.2.17 - Show respect for everyone. Love your Christian brothers and sisters. Fear God. Show respect for the king.
1Pet.2.18 - You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters. Do whatever they tell you--not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are harsh.
1Pet.2.19 - For God is pleased with you when, for the sake of your conscience, you patiently endure unfair treatment.
1Pet.2.20 - Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you suffer for doing right and are patient beneath the blows, God is pleased with you.
1Pet.2.21 - This suffering is all part of what God has called you to. Christ, who suffered for you, is your example. Follow in his steps.


1Tim.6.1 Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. (NLT)

Or serve so well, wait that's what Joseph did and some how he ended up in prison nah, he passed through the prison and became the prime minister of the greatest nation of that era.

The gospel was also for the slaves not for them to be enslaved but for them to find freedom even in humanly caused situation, to focus on serving God and look at their situation as an opportunity to show God's love. Whether you are free or a slave.

Eph.6.5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Eph.6.6 - Work hard, but not just to please your masters when they are watching. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart.
Eph.6.7 - Work with enthusiasm, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people.
Eph.6.8 - Remember that the Lord will reward each one of us for the good we do, whether we are slaves or free.
Eph.6.9 - And in the same way, you masters must treat your slaves right. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favorites.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Some Pastors Avoid Preaching About Hellfire by gohf: 10:20am On Jun 28
angelboy01:
Hell doesn't exist and even God proved it doesn't.

Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.

Deuteronomy 18:10
“Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire…”

Deuteronomy 12:31
The nations “burn even their sons and daughters in the fire” to their gods — something God says He hates.

This is God himself speaking against people who burn humans for whatever and God explicitly said it has never entered his mind and he hates it.
lol 🤣😂 and you think God is a man, bro He burnt sodom and gomorah down to a crisp even the stones self burn
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Some Pastors Avoid Preaching About Hellfire by gohf: 10:19am On Jun 28
Kemical23:
Imagine telling me I will go and burn in one place because of a book invented by their slave masters...
no, no, not because of a book invented by men but because of a book written by God, the creator of the universe, the book of life.

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