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They should sha return to God and not just to a church and become a generation that seeks the face of God

AngelahFlo:
That's where you're wrong. It's not "and" but "or"
You can't hold to two views at once; that's stupidity. I'm prepared either way. Whether Jesus comes before the tribulation or He comes after the tribulation is what I'm prepared for.

so if a Christ comes before tribulations contrary to what is written how would you know he is not a false Christ

Let's read a bit shall we

2Thess.2.1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Thess.2.2 - not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Thess.2.3 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Thess.2.4 - who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

2Thess.2.8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

AngelahFlo:
In simple English, you believe in a post tribulation rapture. It's okay. Just wanted to know where your views stand on. For me I'm open ended. Whether it's a Pre tribulation or a post tribulation I'm keeping myself ready for any of them

you are keeping yourself for the Christ that will come before and the one that will come after abi. Well-done 👍👍

AngelahFlo:
Which group do you belong. The Pre tribulation rapture or the post tribulation rapture?

this is where I belong
Mark.13.19 - For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
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Mark.13.24 - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Mark.13.25 - the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark.13.26 - Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark.13.27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

AngelahFlo:
Are you trying to say you don't believe in the Second coming of.Jesus as the Bible outlines it?

That's not what I wrote neither did I even think to attempt trying to say such. So stick to what I wrote and no add assumptions

kingxsamz:
what stage of sin is it when you're murdering children for a god?

first learn what the meaning of the term murder is before you use it and accuse others

Harddiskng:
Lol can you still be saved and be in sin?

Omo we should be careful of falling in error, emitting from our liberty.

You can do without sin! Christ came to set that example and empower you with the Gift of the holy Spirit to achieve this. One blot of sin and you won’t enter heaven! 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor (perversely) effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Christ redeemed is from the curse of the law, did he redeem us from having to follow “the law”?

At your bolded, you just said (example). If you commit fornication, it has consequences but it doesn’t mean you are not saved (that your name is still not in the Book of Life) lol. Brother you don’t want to find out, anybody that has been saved once and continues in sin, would go to hell for free!

will you say that you are without sin?

Yes Jesus redeemed us from having to follow the laws of Moses.

gohf:
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15

Well if it's true that the fourth stage of sin is "help me Jesus" then it's okay, even Peter cried help me Jesus and was saved.

But Sin doesn't lead you to cry out for help, it leads people to death.

It starts as an evil desire,(lust of flesh, lust of the eye, pride of life), then it births sin, from which if we do not repent from, we become workers of iniquity and transgressors that lead us to death and destruction.

stancydg:
Since there are many schools of thought, don't you think it is wise to simply get prepared in case one of it or the one you least believe in, turns out right. The pre-tribulation school of thought simply awakens ones consciousness towards early preparation, prior the tribulation. If the others turn out right, the element of surprise won't be as much and so, still okay too but if wrong, can be disastrous for the unprepared. Looking at the stated, which one do you think the devil will want most people to believe?

does one really need such, "a school of thought", when we realize God can call us home at any point in time?
Do I need to consider something that contradicts what Jesus and the apostles thought because they are many who teach such? My answer is no

And to answer your question on which one the devil will want most people to believe, it will be to believe that the one coming is Jesus Christ of Nazareth meanwhile it is the Antichrist that is coming first. So as to deceive the world that Christ has come meanwhile it is the false Christ that has come.

Iluvmycontr3:
,,,, Would like to reach you and continue to reason and study the word of God with you.

,,,,,I am a kind of believer that like to keep growing in the knowledge of christ.

,,,,I have carefully read you piece of write up, and i can see that we are on the same page this matter of faith.

,,,,,Though, i am in Europe, but we can link up via email, and maybe WhatsApp thereafter.

Thanks.

that will be nnice giwoxnjojddkfbcfprheibxolwbsjxbxkd

Lukuluku69:
Lol

They just affixed those names to the Gospel "According to".

The Real Wtiter? Barnabas the son of Consolation.

Download his own Gospel and read and you will see the fraud in other Gospels.

even unbelieving atheist know it is a fake because they are scholars who can fact checks things, something you too should learn how to do

This lie called pre tribulation rapture that men of goat, preach because they are not of God, is a false doctrine that misleads people. Jesus never taught such neither his apostles.

That Jesus they are looking for is the Antichrist that claims to be god that must appear first.

Be wise and not follow the deceptions of devil

The sinner's prayer, as we know it today, was invented by twentieth century preachers as a quick and easy way to save people. Unfortunately, it is a false doctrine. large crusades became popular resulting in denominational preachers desiring a simple way for hundreds of people to be simultaneously saved within just a few minutes. So, preachers began asking people to come to the front and pray a prayer to be saved. By praying the prayer, people were led to believe they were forgiven of their sins and saved. This prayer soon developed into what is called the sinner's prayer today.

Every year millions of people are being told to say the sinner's prayer and they will be saved. Is the sinner's prayer a biblical way of salvation? If so, where is it found in the Bible? Although multitudes of people say the sinner's prayer as a means of salvation, the shocking truth is 
THE SINNER'S PRAYER is not even found in the Bible one time! 

The sinner's prayer usually goes something like this:
"Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I do now receive him as my Lord and personal Savior. I promise to serve you to the best of my ability. Please save me. In Jesus' name, Amen."

Which usually ends with if you have said this prayer and you believe you have been forgiven, congratulations or glory hallelujah you have been saved and are born again.

But when we look at the first recorded mass evangelism or crusade, ministeree by Peter as recorded in Acts 2, Peter didn't lead them to a prayer for salvation, a prayer some believe as long as they say it on their deathbed they would be saved.

Acts.2.37 - 38
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Gospel is about repentance not an altar call or a quick fix method. Giving your life you Jesus isn't as simple as declaring a few words it's about surrendering all and forsaking all, your whole life is your whole life, ask yourself are those words your whole life. Saying you surrender doesn't mean you have surrendered. (Matt. 21:28-32)

But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14-15

This man has come again with his teaching you to be a god.

Being holy like God is being good like God, it's doing good like Him and being righteous not speaking like God, wasn't that guy Herod who spoke like God eaten alive by worms.

The way he evaluates his own righteous of faith by lying that you have what you do not have is different from how Jesus evaluated great faith in believing that you will receive from God despite the difficulty or impossibility of the situation.

The man hoped that Jesus would only just speak a word, the woman hoped for a healing even though she was referred to has a dog, to these ones Jesus said that had great faith rare even in Israel.

For faith is the evidence of what you hope for.

This is not faith: [s]The righteousness of faith doesn’t say, “I hope one day I’ll be healed or helped.” No! Rather, it says, “I have and walk in divine health, and I’m marvellously helped of the Lord.” The righteousness of faith calls things that are not as though they were; it speaks reality, and the Word of God is the reality.[/s]

We are not God, it is God who speaks things that be not and they be
Faith doesn't come from us speaking it comes from us hearing what God has said. And from it we have hope and we trust God, a hope that doesn't fail, what is faith without hope, a hope we do not see a hope that saves us those who believe.

Faith is not a lie, it is an evidence that you have heard from God, an evidence which is you acting in obedience to your believe in God. The believe that Jesus is the son of God and brings us healing and deliverance to all, that Jesus is the word of God that doesn't return void. That all we need is a word from him directly to our lives.

Emusan:
But God who can't lie says "In the BEGINNING, God created the heavens and the earth"

Why will God say this if Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED?

Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?

I know it's hard for you emusan to be honest but try and answer honestly please

The one truth we need

Westerhoffe:
Proverbs 8 (KJV)
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²² The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
²³ I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
²⁴ When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
²⁵ Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

…
²⁷ When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

…
³⁰ Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

…
¹⁰ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…
¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

exactly as proverbs 8 puts it, he was the first of God's creation, first work brought forth by God

chiedu7:
The NIV calls Lucifer Morning Star.
https://www.bible.com/bible/111/ISA.14.12

While the KJV calls him son of the Morning.

and?
Is that what is written in Hebrew or what does versions interpreted?

epfa:
Are you referring to Jephthah and his daughter? Because if you read the account, obviously she's still alive for years and years afterward. Seems your understanding of the scriptures is not what you make it out to be, lovey.🙂

what are you talking about? You are quoting the wrong post or person. Did I write anything about Jephthah?

Mark one of the first gospels if not the very first one written

Mark.8.34 - 38
When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."


How important this teaching is, concerning following Jesus and how to follow him.

Because it is those who follow Jesus, who went to the cross, who follow him carrying their own crosses that are saved, resurrected and receive eternal life.

John.12.25 - 26
He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.

Looking at the context and content of each Gospel what more do we learn about this teaching of Jesus:

Matt.10.37 - 39
He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

The same is repeated when Peter didn't want Jesus to die, like who would want their friend to die or for they themselves to die, to which Jesus replied

Matt.16.23 - 26
But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find for For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

What do you love more than Jesus, what must you let go, in this instance hope we realize that our earthly life, family and friends are not bad things but they are part of what we must forsake to follow Jesus.


Let's look at Luke, I didn't mention this verse in the last post it's the same with Matt 16

Luke.9.23 - 25
Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost?

Now in Like 17 while Jesus spoke about the coming of the kingdom of God, in verses Luke.17.33 - Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

After speaking about Noah and lot, it goes to show us that this verse is connected to our salvation, even going further to mention the one will be taken one will be left
Luke.17.34 - I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.

So those who will be left are those who love the world and their lives

Someone may ask with how different the four records of the Gospel are, how genuine are they, especially with how different and debated the fourth one, the Gospel of John is which was written decades after the other three and probably wanted to recorded what those ones didn't.

You know when people plan to lie, they usually say the exact same words as if rehearsed but if they were witnesses recounting a memory, like a class of students that remembers the teachers words and deeds differently, there will be different recollections of an event that did occur. At least from several witness accounts we can take the most reoccurring statements as what most likely occured.

So while the four gospels have some events recorded in common; John the baptist, calling the disciples, feeding the five thousand and the triumphant entry, betrayal, denial, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, there is only one teaching that is common in all four gospels.

If anything I believe this one common teaching may be the most important that caused John to repeat it in his account of Jesus.

Matt.10.39 If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give it up for me, you will find it. (NLT)

Matt.16.25 If you try to keep your life for yourself, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for me, you will find true life. (NLT)

Luke.17.33 Whoever clings to this life will lose it, and whoever loses this life will save it. (NLT)

Mark.8.35 If you try to keep your life for yourself, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake and for the sake of the Good News, you will find true life. (NLT)

These verses are the one verse repeated again out of all his recorded teachings in the whole Gospel of John in chapter 12

John.12.25 Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who despise their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. (NLT)

These verses in them self are not the whole teaching but they go to highlight a very important teaching that reminds me of an overcoming phrase from revelation.
Rev.12.11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. (NIV)

Using New living translation
Rev.12.11 And they have defeated him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of their testimony. And they were not afraid to die. (NLT)

What do you understand by this common verse?

For me it's truly a verse that summarizing his expectation from us as believers and children of God, for we have not been given the spirit of fear but of love that we love God and not the world.

paxonel:
As a rational thinking person what do you think?

Did God create mankind into a world of suffering, calamity, poverty, sin, sorrow, weeping and crying, only for him to later send his son Jesus Christ to come and die and deliver his loving mankind from what he had created, and take him to heaven and finally destroy the same world he asked mankind to replenish?

What point is God trying to make,
Is God a manipulator?

This is a food for thought

more like poison than food, don't you think, seeing as you didn't reveal the aim or benefit the manipulator gets from the manipulation you accuse him of.

At least show us your rational.

Westerhoffe:
Good Himself declared Jesus God, for us all to serve and worship. Daniel 7 (KJV)
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¹³ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
¹⁴ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

And then, God said:

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)

If God called Jesus God, who then are we to say God is wrong?

And besides, can you show me where God said He created Jesus Christ?
And what He used in creating Him.

Daniel 7 SON OF MAN who came to the Ancient of Days, the one true God, and was brought before the one true God.


Psalm 45:6 that the author Hebrews is quoting was not spoken by God but by the pslamist who was glorifying God's throne and not even God himself but the throne which is forever and forever, meaning the dominion of God is everlasting, in which he then refers to the scepter who is the Messiah has first prophecied by their forefather Jacob/Israel.

God did not call Jesus God and He never lied when He said He alone is God and there is none like Him

God says repeated He alone stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth. God is the builder, the farmer and Christ is the vine, the cornerstone like Daniel saw, cut out from the mountain. God said I formed the light, God said let there be light and there was light. John records Jesus said I am the light of the world, John the Baptist came to testify of that light. Jesus the one who holds all things together, the foundation.

Except you wish to say that Jesus is none of these and God isn't the origin of Jesus, me while Micah says that Jesus comes from ancient of days.

God said to the serpent, God spoke, the seed of the woman shall crush thy head.

If a machine is feed lies it would vomit those same lies

You may have heard love the sinner but not the sin, but I tell you the love you give to an unrepentant sinner should be the one given to those who hate you, a love in which you do not become like them not become one with them

God's word became Jesus the son of God, and only by His word can we become children of God. The same process that made the Messiah the first resurrected of the dead, the eternal king, is the same process and power that works with us to make us like he is, children of God and give us eternal life.


God created the earth and it was dark
But God said let there be light and there was light

God isn't done with you, your life may be in darkness but let God's word speak life and light in you and through you

Our faithful tithers hope you paid your tithes to God's children 👶👧👦

If Jesus was already co-God why did the angels need to be commanded to worship him 🤷‍♀️

Devil knows no one has seen God so playing God is what he likes to do, so learn to test all spirits even the ones sent by God, test their nature, test their message, find their purpose before you find yourself been used by demons unknowingly