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thinkmoney:
But how many times do I have to answer you? I have told you that Revelation is a book of metaphor, it said it itself. In verse 1 ( the introductory verse) it said the things in it are given as SYMBOLS showing things that must happen in the future. That’s why you have Jesus represented has a lamb at some place. Was Jesus ever turned into Lamb? No! It’s a metaphor to represent his sacrificial value.
Now in that same lake of fire, Death was thrown in there? Is death a material thing you can lay hold of ? No! The lake is a metaphor that shows the destruction of not only death, but Satan and sinners too.

Bro do you even understand what metaphors are, no wonder you didn't understand my question

Lamb is a metaphor for Jesus, what is the fire, the burning fire a metaphor for?

thinkmoney:
You must check yourself if you are really teachable. So because a word is in Greek now it can’t be a metaphor? Isn’t breeze there in that proverbs too a word in a language?

And I went further to tell you that in that book of Revelation 1:1, it says things in it are given as symbols,( signs) to show what must happen in the future. That’s why you have at some point, Jesus represented by Lamb and some elders having animal future.
Is Jesus ever in a lamb form? Isn’t that metaphor to represent his sacrificial value?

Una go talk come put that Yeye laughing emoji without knowing that the joke is really on you people

you read me state in a "non-metaphoric sense"

This Rev.1:1 that you are hanging on like a monkey's rope is quite frankly sophistry in action

Rev.1.1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Where did you fallaciously find and input the word signs from, which word there means symbols to you?

Jesus being referred to as a lamb was clearly in revelation and we can agree that the lamb is metaphoric but bro that's not the same with the author's use of FIRE when writing about it in Revelation 20 and 21

Thinkmoney think hard o, because we will still go to Daniel 7 and use your metaphoric logic there, let me just kindly give you a heads up 😇

thinkmoney:
I think I just answered you? The English term of “breeze” in the proverbs “breeze go blow and fowl yansh go open” is not talking about a literal breeze, but it’s a metaphor that means somethings will come to light. Though breeze in the proverbs is a English wird

bro feel free to show us the metaphoric usage of the phrase burning with fire

Maybe you think everyone is gullible and uneducated, so go ahead and explain your metaphorical usage of the phrase

thinkmoney:
Let me answer. In the proverbs ; “breeze go blow and the fowl yansh will open”, is the breeze a literal breeze?
Now to help further. In the introductory verse of revelation, the very first verse, verse 1, it said plsinly that the messages there are given in signs-that is, they symbolize things that are to come.

lol is this really your answer? 🤣 to why you said a phrased used in revelation using literally Greek words in a non-metaphoric sense is metaphoric to you.

Guy we are in an age where such crappy reasoning cant be an excuse when you have search engines and AI. Do you take everyone reading your posts as fools?

thinkmoney:
Ask your question very well please. Maybe you have to check what you typed again

you don't understand english? But isn't that the language you have been typing in since when you wrote

"that there is no literal burning"
"The metaphoric burning of sinners and ‘death’ is a future event telling of how sinners and death will be destroyed and cease to exist."

Bro how is the Greek term "kaiomene Puri" metaphoric?

thinkmoney:
You clearly clearly clearly have a comprehension issue nawaaaa

I have been saying this

*no fire
*what is said there will happen in the future
*what will happen in the future is making sinners and death cease to exist.
* AGAIN, the lake of fire is no literal fire but metaphor for future permanent destruction of sinners, Devil and death

Whats the contradiction here mister?

Bro how does a Greek word which literally means fire not literally mean fire to you?

thinkmoney:
I am telling you mister, that there is no literal burning. Revelation tells about coming event using metaphors.
The metaphoric burning of sinners and ‘death’ is a future event telling of how sinners and death will be destroyed and cease to exist.
How is it my message that had been this consistent is not clear to you?

Let me reiterate again. The throwing or casting into the lake of fire isn’t literal, it’s in the future yes, and it symbolizes the future permanent destruction of sinners and death

bro said kaiomene Puri is metaphoric burning with fire, please metaphoric to what?

Antichristian2:
So what does the darkness and light mean? Yes, everything we make today are as a result of what God has created in us or in the earth!

who or what are you answering Yes to, did I ask you that. What I asked you did God create everything, you either write Yes God created everything or No God didn't create everything. Claiming the truth that God created the base materials is in no way an answer to the question did God for instance make the phones we are using.

Then using a question to avoid answering if you are saying that darkness is sin, is just typical you. You can still answer though, is darkness sin? Yes or no.

Let's use another translation of the Bible - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." This should be clear now!

it's clear GOD did not create ALL things but THOSE things being specific to the evil He created to befall the wicked.

Except you are saying that the evil God created is sin? Then you would have to show us the original Hebrew word and how it connects to the word/term sin

If they could obey it, it won't be written that all man has sinned and come short of the glory of God!


Before Jesus it was that people should obey the law. When Jesus came he commanded people to obey the law and follow him. When Jesus left Paul commanded that there's grace now and no one is justified by works anymore!

Isn't the law then pointless before?




I didn't tell you to come preach to me. I believe in the ressurection but just not your own type of ressurection! You said God made Jesus the other time and i asked you if God made him another God beside him?

How many prophets were God like Jesus? You guys would just give title to people with no reason!

When Jesus had entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” 11 The crowds replied, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Matthew 21:10-11

Amotolongbo:
Obviously you’ve lost ground and the ignorance exposed.
The Hebrew/Jews use Tanakh and don’t believe in your Bible. The Bible is for the imperialists.

are you following the conversation at all? Can you keep track of what I am writing? Is the tanakh you are writing not the scriptures containing the Torah you claimed were imperalized and weaponized from those you claimed passed it down orally like your village tradition.

Roycemadeit:
Your question probably comes from a topic I responded to or created. Because, I do not want it to derail this story: https://www.nairaland.com/8573615/hot-soles,

So, I created this here
@Umbrateeth04


People often say that sin is innate in us, but I do not believe that anyone is born sinful. In fact, I question whether “sin” even exists as a universal concept, it is a construct that originates from Abrahamic religions, which, historically speaking, are relatively recent, when compared with other religions.

Long before these religions emerged, human cultures already had their own understandings of what is good, just, and fair. There was no condemnation from birth.

If someone were to tell me I was a sinner, my first question would be: What do you mean by that? You would need to convince me, because I cannot recognize as “sin” something I do not already understand.


If a Yahoo boy defrauded someone and it led to that person taking their own life, I would agree that this act is wrong. Yet, scenarios often involve shades of grey, and context matters.

To make sense of such issues, we must examine them carefully, case by case.


But, I'll submit my takes to your question and try to restrict them to what's asked.

go and ask new mothers how righteous and without faults their new born are. You are typing all this because you don't have children nor raised them.

Do you even know what the word sin means. Sin means going off course, doing what's wrong whether out of ignorance or willingly

That's asides iniquity and transgressions. So being a sinner is simple being human, an error prone being by default

tctrills:
Please as a clear question.
Jesus Christ is God of the whole universe

okay then YHVH is God of where again?

Amotolongbo:
Understanding is your weakness obviously.
Lemme come down to your level, the manuscripts were writing by different people based on oral tradition passed to them. The imperialists took the manuscripts of interest, combined and modified them into an entity and used it for their interest.

I hope that’s good enough for your level to comprehend

so the Hebrews who had their own texts and writings passed down their traditions solely orally and were waiting for your imperialist to come and take some manuscripts of interests from where exactly and then modify them according to your imagination but for what purpose so that they rule over you 🤣🤣🤣🤣, who isn't even a hebrew.

Nah you have clearly lost since your first post

unitysheart:
The discussion did not center around what you stated. I well know that a siul that sins will die. But how does the death of a sinned soul become burning for an eternity in hell fire? That was my point.

if your point was inquiring about how a soul dies then you did not state it clearly.

Hell is not eternal, but the lake of fire is. Even hell will be thrown into the lake of fire. Now those who are in hell will be brought out and judged and thrown into the lake of fire. Did you not read that in your Bible?

Amotolongbo:
Could you proove the bolded part?
Now I understand your level of knowledge and the class of people who believe plagiarised books are written by their “spirit”.

Lemme lecture you, if you would take it and be liberated, though I doubt you are sound enough to get it.
A lot of stories (manuscripts) were written in scrolls and text about the past by different people based on oral tradition which had nothing to do with any spirit. Many of these stories were real, many were myth and some were imaginations. The manuscripts Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were later transferred to books which you called Bible. The romans took the manuscript they are interested in and the leaders used it for their purpose as Catholicism, the British took theirs and used it for their purpose, Arabs took the books interested to them and transferred it to Quran. The common factor to these people mentioned is the establishment of empire and slave trade.
This is similar to the manuscript of Ifa transferred to books by the Yoruba. The only difference is that Yoruba are not sophisticated enough to force the ifa books on people outside their empire claiming it’s from God, killing and maiming anyone who doesn’t believe it.




The most stupid thing I’ve heard is hearing that one spirit inspired some imperialists to write a manual for their subordinates to follow, no be juju be that?

"imperialist wrote Genesis, the Torah and the prophets" did you go to school at all? Or you don't know how to use Ai at least use Google and hide this ignorance.

tctrills:
No need to confuse yourself, He had the power to atone for the sins of all mankind. And in His words, He had the power to give up His life and take it up again.
Our Father in heaven did not need to send billions of people to atone for everyone that ever lived, His Son Jesus Christ had the power to take up every human sin and pay the price.

Now, can a God die?
We learn from Jesus Christ that as a God, He had the power to give up His life and take it up again.

I understand you have your opinion of what a God can and can't do but Jesus Christs sacrifice answers that for you and I

So Jesus as a God of? God of what?

Antichristian2:
If Jesus died for Adam's sins only then what about Eve's sin!

Eve too did ate from the fruit of the tree right?

lol where did you read Jesus died for Adam's sins only

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus died as a soul but a perfect soul equivalent to Adam! 1Corinthans 15:45

Jesus died as what? A soul? Who killed his soul? The Romans abi?

Antichristian2:
If Jesus died as a man, then it seems unfair that one man could atone for the sins of the entire world. Shouldn't it be a soul for a soul?

if you are going make this argument then you should at least state the basis for making this. I mean why should it be a soul for a soul? How do you quantify and measure the soul of a person?

If it is claimed that Jesus died as God, we must remember that God is eternal and does not die.

And if it is suggested that Jesus was a hermaphroditic God-man, this concept is problematic because the state of being both God and man simultaneously is contradictory—God does not die, but man does.

Furthermore, according to the Bible, Eve ate the forbidden fruit before Adam. So why do we only hear about "Adam's sin" and not "Eve's sin"?

you have asked a different question here unrelated with your topic or previous question but the answer is, whom did God command do not eat this fruit? Adam or Eve

What did God tell Eve? Isn't it for what she did giving the fruit to Adam?

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you explain this verse below?

Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?”  Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit everlasting life.  “But many who are first will be last, and the last first" Matthew 19:27-30

Please note the highlighted in red!🤔

technically that's for Jesus not for the church. Well the church is the body of Christ but still we forsake ALL even ourselves for Jesus the head of the church and become a part of the church (who are witnesses of Jesus by the way)

Anyway much of what Janadozz taught was rubbish anyway, God never placed any household before His kingdom that's one let's not even mention the rest 😅

matify83:
Even Jesus would have been suspended from deeper life if Luke 7 : 36- 50 occured today.

Pharisees!!

LOL 😂🤣😂 wanted to type this just one, maybe they should kick Jesus off the throne and name Kumuyi their new Lord and savior.

Deeper life na fake church, not built upon the foundation that is Jesus the son of the living God.

Amotolongbo:
Young man, if anyone gives you anything like what you called Bible, the onus as someone literate and wise is to read it, know about the antecedents and precedence to it.
If dogmas like you are asked who wrote the bible, the next answer would be “God wrote the bible” as if there is a printing press in your claimed heaven.

I’d never been to catholic service except a wedding and I was born Pentecostal, my brain is developing with my growth and never stayed juvenile like a baby.

"if dogmas like me", is a conservation too hard for you to have like you find it hard reading a book. You can just ASK instead of assuming to know who I am or what my response would be. But you probably have a top degree in assumptions and imaginations instead of applying yourself to read and ask what you are ignorant of.

By the way my answer is, Men inspired by the spirit of God wrote scriptures which are from Genesis to Malachi, while some texts are considered poetry among them. While the new testament is composed of letters with one sole revelatory book called the Bible.

You may have been used to having conversations with dogmas and illiterates or babies but not everyone is like that.

P. S don't care if you were born Pentecostal, you are either a child of God or you are not. It's should be embarrassing for you to say such meanwhile you were mentioning Catholic bible.

Simple question remains HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE, THE ONE YOUR PENTECOSTAL PARENTS HAD WHILE YOU WERE BORN INTO THEIR HOUSE. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ AND STUDIED IT?

unitysheart:
Show us the original text where hell fire featured

did I tell you that hell fire is featured in any text?

Don't be confused, you wrote"Those that invented that false teaching know wetin dem dey do. Na to instill fear in people and nothing more.

Original bible texts and translation no get that teaching inside am."

Of which I wrote the soul that sins shall die, now if you are asking me about what I wrote I will response respectfully to you but if you can't state or answer my simple question, asking you which original text you mentioned doesn't speak of hell nor mention God judging the souls of sinners, you either repent or await the repercussions of your lies

Amotolongbo:
You don’t need reading the book to know that was the concept if you are wise enough to read the antecedents to the putting together of the Bible.

Moreover what do you mean in your “Note”?

🤣 "You don't need reading the book"

Which one is what do I mean? Lemme guess you were a Catholic who probably never opened her Bible but claimed to know what was inside.

🤣 please don't tell me you don't know how to read or you don't read documents before signing them. Because how can you be literate and be complaining of scammers when YOU CLEARLY FAIL TO READ THE PRINTED OUT TEXT YOURSELF... my God, is that how you gullibly trust men

pooozeee:
We heard the burning from the holy books. Have you ever heard about anyone that has ever been burnt by God ?

no make the people of Sodom and Gomorrah swear for you o

kiddaz:
There's no burning in any hell. That's scripted by man to control you through organised religions and guess what? God has no religion

It's why I laugh at those who believe God is only in thier organised bs lies. God is in all things and all things in him. When you truly start seeking him in truth and spirit you will begin to see through what mankind is doing with religion and politics. These are the highest form of mind control, and then education for classification to keep you in the matrix. Free yourselves or forever remain slaves and die without knowing the truth.

you found "the Divine" abeg who is that "the Divine"

Amotolongbo:
Common stop dancing about and answer the question.
Which of the bibles are you talking about?

have you read the one you claim to know, that 73 books Catholic Bible?

Tell us where it says, teaches or shows an example of what you wrote

The concept of Heaven and Hell is to empower the leaders (spiritual or political) to enjoy this life to the fullest, making the followers to be docile to their authorities and command promising them good life after earth in heaven. The same good life the leaders on earth are enjoying, not waiting to get it in heaven.


Note: Catholics are not part of God's church built upon the foundation that Jesus is the son of the living God.

richmond500:
Logically, if there is only one God, there won't be need for other religion and their gods, but the world has approx 10,000 to 20,000 gods.
If you could proof with certainty that there is only one God, there will be no need for the other 19,999 gods

bro are you underestimating man and it's history, you should be writing millions not tens of thousands, only India only has more than what you wrote.

And which one is if I can prove with certainty?? Bro even Elijah did that and Israel did not change from their evil ways

Now this is apart from the fact that some traditions just give the main creator a different name, much of what's written in religions show a corrupted version of the truth. Either some of it was forgotten or humans manipulated and introduced imaginations into it.

But the existence of so much lies means there was something true that was the basis for all of it.

Amotolongbo:
I know the first Bible, catholic one has 73books, and some other pirated ones with different numbers of books. Which one are you talking about?

which one have you read? Not the one you have for decoration or church visitation, like the one you open and read

merits:
No soul will die we just transform from one phase to another back to the question hell fire 🔥 is real,is suffering upon suffering in the hell for the sinner when their soul will feel the pain till God is please and pardon them if it warrants but not all, for those that enters paradise is enjoyment upon enjoyment they will be please and their soul will be at peace.

God said the souls that sins shall die, Jesus said God can kill the soul, so bro where did you get your no soul will die?

Femzaremz:
If hell is real,then EVERYBODY, and I mean, every single human being, including all the silly christians on this post would be going there!
The margin of error being so slim!

is that what you tell yourself when your conscience tells you not to do evil

No deceive yourself, people are asking for mercy and receiving it because they heard and believe God is merciful to those who obey Him

richmond500:
Zeus is historical text and he is believed to be the ruler of all Gods?
Do u believe that too abi u choose the one to believe cos they fed u with the lies from young.

Medusa, Prometheus, Poseidon, Nika are all in historical texts, should we also believe them?

bro you wrote spiderman not zeus, and as much as I know Zeus story and text, he was never called the creator of heavens and earth but one who killed his father and besides if Zeus is so called ruler of gods does he rule Odin as well.

Some of us have even read about Buddha, so when we tell you there is only one God we are not speaking ignorantly and those beings are not God.