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A lot of people think it is easy to backslide, they think o, you skip service or you complain to God or about God (I doubt you said half of what Job or Jeremiah said, sha don't blamspheme or curse God o), that such people have gone astray. Like God would just watch his child go astray.

Anyway John wrote in 1John.2.19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

These people didn't backslide they were never in, in the first place

Even Jesus laughed at the possibility of anyone deceiving his people
Matt.24.24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.

Can people fall away, yes, but those people were not in his hand in the first place

John.10.27-29
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

You can't deceive a child of God into destruction.
John.10.5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."


See eh, if God is leaving you to go astray, just take it that you are not His

Heb.12.8 If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate(bastards) and are not really his children after all.

MaxInDHouse:
No!
They left their businesses for their families to handle that is not the same as selling everything you own and giving it to the poor.

After following Jesus for three and a half years Peter still return to his fishing business so if he had sold everything how could he have returned to the business?🥱

keeping adding and changing the meaning of the text, eh, don't repent o.

So the Greek word left which meant they forsake, gave up everything is what you are interpreting this way?

Why make a big deal between sell and left when the rich man still had the same expectations, give those things, forsake all and follow Jesus. Even Jesus said it himself in Luke's account in Luke.14.33 "In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple."

You left out that John that records Peter going back to fishing was asked by Jesus, do you love me more than these... More than fishes, more than fishing John 21:15

Luke.14.26 "If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, more than your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.


The rich man was tested, did he love his wealth or did he love the son of God, same test the disciples had passed and why Peter had to ask is there any gain in losing the world.

Bro, repent, what would you profit you if you gain the world but lose your soul

MaxInDHouse:
Why didn't Jesus say the same to his twelve apostles?

When you refuse to study God's word with the true Christians this is the result!🥱

because they have already left all to follow Jesus

budaatum:
No one hates me! You are the world, and I can bet money you do not hate me at all, so me saying you, the world hates me is a lie. As for the physical world itself, I am rather too insignificant for it to even be aware of my existence not to talk of going to the extent of hating me.

As for cross. I would claim my own cross is my own tribulations and joys. And I am so empowered to deal with my tribulations to the extent that if I were a religious God believing person I would be thanking the Gods. But since I'm not, I am delighted anyway.

ok 👍🏾

Kobojunkie:
There is a reason why these commandments were handed down only to the blood descendants of the man named Jacob, aka Israel.
The skepticism of non-Israelites towards such teachings is to be expected. 😒😒

because salvation is first to the kees, then the people of israel then to the world. And so when Jesus removed the separation that kept the gentiles out from the temple, after he died, then he rose and told them go into the eorld and spesk to every nation, people about the gospel disciplining them

budaatum:
Why do those poor need to be given to when they too can "have treasure in heaven" and take up the cross and follow him?

But before anyone answers, perhaps start by explaining what the cross is please. And beware that I'd ask if you sold anything to give to the poor.

the cross presents persecution one receives from the world from following God's will, afterall they hate you just as they hated him.

Roycemadeit:
6. Why Command Israel to Have No Other Gods?

One of the most recognizable commandments in the Hebrew Bible appears in Exodus 20:3:

“You shall have no other gods before me.”

From a critical-historical perspective, this command must be understood within the worldview of the Ancient Near East. Rather than asserting strict philosophical monotheism; the absolute denial that other gods exist; the prohibition operates on the assumption of monolatry or henotheism: the exclusive worship of one deity while recognizing the existence of others.

The command targets an ancient audience immersed in a polytheistic environment where worshipping regional deities was standard practice. Biblical narratives repeatedly reflect this tension, portraying Israelite religion not as a static, isolated monotheism, but as a perpetual contest for allegiance:

The Golden Calf Incident (Exodus 32): Depicts syncretic or competing cultic practices during the wilderness tradition.

Prophetic Polemics (e.g., Kings and Hosea): Highlight persistent Israelite veneration of Canaanite deities such as Baal and Asherah.

Exodus 20:2 grounds the prohibition in a national covenant framework: Yahweh claims exclusive devotion because he is the deity who brought Israel out of Egypt. The text frames the obligation as a specific legal contract based on a historical claims of deliverance, rather than a universal declaration of abstract monotheism applicable to all nations.

The biblical text initially focuses on national loyalty. The conceptual shift; requiring other nations to abandon their traditional cults and accept Yahweh’s supreme authority; represents a distinct development in Israel's theological evolution.

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7. The Most High and Yahweh in Deuteronomy 32

A foundational text for understanding early Israelite divine hierarchy is Deuteronomy 32:8–9.

The passage describes Elyon (the Most High) dividing the nations and establishing their borders according to the number of heavenly beings, after which Yahweh receives Israel as his specific allotment.


Textual criticism reveals significant historical developments in this passage:

Masoretic Text (MT): Reads "sons of Israel" (bnei Yisrael).

Dead Sea Scrolls (4QDeut^q) & Septuagint (LXX): Read "sons of God" (bnei Elohim) or "angels of God" (aggelōn theou).


Textual scholars generally consider the Dead Sea Scrolls reading older. In this older reading, the text reflects an ancient divine council framework common in Canaanite mythology (such as the Ugaritic texts), where the supreme deity (El or Elyon) presides over a council of heavenly figures (bnei El), distributing nations to individual divine guardians.

This text preserves traces of a tradition where Yahweh operated as a national deity alongside other divine figures within a broader pantheon. While later editorial redactors conflated Yahweh and Elyon into a single supreme deity, literary analysis demonstrates that the underlying layer of Deuteronomy 32 reflects an earlier, stratified divine hierarchy.

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8. Psalm 82 and the Divine Assembly

Psalm 82 provides additional evidence for the divine council model in ancient Israelite thought.

The psalm opens with a dramatic scene: God (El) takes his stand in the divine assembly (adat-El) and pronounces judgment among the gods (elohim):

“I said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” (Psalm 82:6–7)

Comparative religious analysis yields two main scholarly interpretations of these elohim:

The Divine Council Model (Historical-Critical Consensus): The figures are lesser supernatural being; national gods or divine guardians; who failed to administer justice on Earth. Consequently, Yahweh strips them of their immortality and absorbs their authority over the nations.

The Human Magistrate Interpretation (Traditional/Rabbinic): The figures are human judges exercising divine authority on Earth who are being condemned for corruption.

The historical language heavily favors the first reading. The Hebrew term elohim functions flexibly in biblical literature:

Plural usage: Refers to foreign deities, spirits, or members of the heavenly council.

Singular usage (with singular verbs): Refers specifically to Yahweh, the primary God of Israel.

Psalm 82 captures a transition in Israelite religious history: the dismantling of a multi-tiered pantheon in favor of an emergent monotheistic model where Yahweh absorbs the domains previously managed by lower deities.

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9. The Prince of Persia and National Guardians
The Book of Daniel expands on the concept of regional divine figures, introducing a developed angelology that mirrors intertestamental and apocalyptic literature.

In Daniel 10, a heavenly messenger describes a spiritual conflict against the "prince (sar) of the kingdom of Persia," which is resolved only when Michael, designated as "one of the chief princes" and guardian of Daniel’s people, intervenes. The messenger further references an upcoming conflict with the "prince of Greece."

These "princes" are heavenly patrons associated with specific imperial powers.

This framework demonstrates that exilic and post-exilic Jewish thought retained the idea of a territorial, supernatural order. Rather than dismissing foreign gods as simple non-entities or carved idols, apocalyptic literature categorized them as lower, often hostile supernatural entities controlling the geopolitical realm.

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10. Yahweh: From Local Deity to Universal Creator

Analyzing these passages does not reduce ancient Israelite religion to simple tribalism, but rather illustrates its complex evolution.

The Hebrew Bible contains distinct layers of tradition that exist in historical tension:

Universalist Traditions: Texts such as Genesis 1 and Deutero-Isaiah present Yahweh as the sole Creator of the cosmos and absolute master of history.

Localized/Henotheistic Traditions: Passages in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, and Daniel preserve an older worldview where Yahweh’s primary role was as the specific patron deity of Israel within a populates supernatural realm.

These concepts are inherently contradictory in an ancient context; regional patron gods were frequently credited with cosmic power by their respective worshippers throughout the Ancient Near East.

Tracing these distinctions allows us to examine whether Christianity’s doctrine of the Trinity is truly monotheistic, given its belief in three distinct divine persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Although Christianity maintains that these three persons constitute one God, Judaism argues that this raises fundamental questions about the meaning and consistency of its claim to monotheism.

lol like I said this is the point of your OP, questioning the identity of YHVH

First of YHVH is the most high God
Ps.7.17 I will give thanks to the LORD because of his righteousness and will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High. (NIV)

The famous Israelites recitation which goes: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From Deut 6:4) Is stated for the people to believe that there is only one God whose name is YHVH and he isn't two or three or many, just one.

So the commandment isn't a recognition of or for other gods but a warning against deception that occurred by those who claimed to be god, it's like you saying thou shall not murder proves murder rightfully occurs but you're not do so like others.


Isa.37.20 Now, O LORD our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all kingdoms on earth may know that you alone, O LORD, are God. " (NIV)

Now Jesus also quoted that Psalm 82, and the purpose for those who claim to be gods but fail to be like the one true God is to be judged, for they shall die like men, and the reason this is written is because those whom God was judging were judges and leaders of men, who the word went to and scriptures call them gods.

From the topic you realize this isn't about what some tribe that calls themselves Israel did but what some fake god some people deceive themselves into believing made them to while thinking they were right to do it.

god not God, then presents the idea that the name of this god was Yahweh a being not known to others. So the basis of Roycemadeit argument which looks like an AI draft, is that Israelites were a group of terrorists who justified their violence by using a religious construct, making up a god that others didn't know about.

He doesn't even attempt to misquote any scripture, and like someone corrected nations had heard what happened to Egypt, men they had decades for that news to spread.

Rightly so, some god did that, does that give Israel the right to kill and take the homes of others?

So it boils down to the main point, is this god, the God, does he has a right like some have point to evict those tribes from Canaan and what does that mean for us.


In the long run, we have to either believe there's a God who owns the heavens and the earth, a God, the God who judges all and what happened to the Canaanites can as well happen again. The question of if such a God is right, is baseless, even under human laws you can't even question a king or government of using their own lands.

If morally speaking, the said Bible stated they lived against the owners will.

Agreed people have lied that God said and killed millions in the process, but those don't justify a condemnation towards God for judging the wicked.

Except what OP, roycemadeit wants us to believe is that such a God doesn't not exist.

Dtruthspeaker:
You obviously did not consider that God is The Owner of this Hotel/Hostel or Tenement called world and therefore He is The Land Lord.

And since the Hittites, Hivites, etc did not purchase the land from Him, then therefore, they do not have any contract with God neither can they stop Him from selling, transferring or dashing the land to anybody He pleases as they are just squatters and illegal occupants as your kings would say

So, thus, God's act of gifting and transferring the land to Isreal is lawful as it is within His Rights

Law maximum
"qui iure suo utitur neminem laedit- He does no wrong he who exercises his rights".

Case dismissed for lack of merit!

lol Roycemadeit didn't consider this in his thesis

Roycemadeit:
7. The Defense of the Homeland

The narrative often frames Canaanite resistance as wicked opposition to God's will. But from the perspective of a Jebusite or a Hivite, resisting the Israelite army was not an act of evil; it was self-defense.

If it were so often like you claimed why did you not quote a single reference for such?

Roycemadeit:
4. The World Did Not Pause During the Egyptian Enslavement

When Jacob and his seventy descendants migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46, Exodus 1), Canaan did not freeze in time.

For centuries, while the Israelites grew into a massive population and were eventually enslaved in Egypt, the peoples of Canaan continued their lives. Generation after generation of Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites were born, built cities, farmed the land, raised families, buried their ancestors, and developed their own cultures.

They were not "occupying" someone else's space; they were living in their own homeland. They were not waiting for Abraham's descendants to return and evict them.

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5. The Epistemological Problem of "Our God Said"

When the Israelites finally approached Canaan, an immediate barrier existed: language, culture, and divine revelation.

Imagine being an inhabitant of Jericho or a Hivite village. You did not stand before the burning bush. You did not witness the plagues of Egypt. You did not hear Yahweh speak at Mount Sinai. You have your own language, heritage, and understanding of the divine.
Suddenly, an armed population arrives at your border and declares: "Our God gave us this land."

From an objective standpoint, the word "Our" is the fundamental problem.

* It is their God, not yours.
* It is their claim of a revelation, which you never heard.

If an armed stranger stands on your property and claims a deity told him to take your home, you have no reason to accept his claim. A private religious claim made by an outsider carrying a weapon is not recognizable as a divine mandate, it is a military threat.

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6. The Reality of Modern Terminology: Invasion and Terrorism

If we strip away religious bias and analyze the actions described in the text through a modern analytical lens, the terminology is straightforward.

In Joshua 6:21, the text describes the fall of Jericho:
"They devoted the city to destruction, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys, with the edge of the sword."

In the modern world, when an armed group enters a populated region, cites a religious mandate, slaughters non-combatants, destroys homes, and displaces an entire population to settle its own people, we do not call it a "divine inheritance."
We call it warfare, ethnic cleansing, and terrorism.
When violence is intentionally inflicted on civilian populations; men, women, and the elderly; to intimidate, conquer, and destroy a society, it meets the literal definition of terrorism. Using a religious justification does not change the nature of the act; it simply classifies it as religiously motivated terrorism.

This reminds me of an American speaking of terrorism of one coming to claim another person's land, but what's funny 🤣 was his reaction when asked what did Europeans do when they first came to this continent being called America today.

The world doesn't work the way some think it works, the victors right the story and paint themselves justified.


@OP nevertheless like you wrote it was warfare and that's how their world in those days worked, the nations you mentioned were stronger and larger than Israel which makes it pathetic that the small group of slaves whose children were born in the wilderness could drive them out of their "lands and homes".

The so called "moral justification" was because a different God told the Israelites but because of the said wickedness of the inhabitants of those lands, whom their God who claimed to be God and owner of the whole world judged by evicting them out of life, literally, not just the lands.


Now violence and terrorism would be that the Canaanites were peace loving people, meaning that what the Bible wrote about them was a lie 🤥

Roycemadeit:
2. Abraham Owned Only a Single Burial Plot

When Abraham needed a place to bury Sarah in Genesis 23, he did not assert a divine right to the land or demand that the inhabitants move. He approached Ephron the Hittite and legally purchased the field and cave at Machpelah.

Genesis 23:16–18 details the transaction: Abraham weighed out silver, and the field, cave, trees, and boundaries were legally transferred to him.

Abraham bought a private plot for a grave. He did not buy Canaan. He did not purchase the cities of the Hivites, Jebusites, or Amorites. Therefore, when later generations returned claiming total ownership over the entire territory, they were not exercising a legal property deed, they were launching an invasion.

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3. A Unilateral Promise Creates No Obligation for the Victims

The covenant detailed in Genesis 12:7, 15:18, and 17:8 was made strictly between Yahweh and Abraham’s lineage.

The Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, and Jebusites were completely absent from this agreement. They were never party to the covenant, nor were they asked to consent to it.

Consider a simple modern parallel: If a stranger tells his children, "That family's house will belong to you one day," the children may genuinely believe their father. But the family currently living in the house has zero obligation to hand over their keys. They would naturally ask:

* Who made this promise?
* Why should a private arrangement made by strangers obligate us to give up our home?

This is the exact logical dynamic facing the inhabitants of Canaan.

you have good premise but don't forget that you talking the real owner of the house not the occupants, the owner can remove any occupant, like his did the Canaanites at one point and later the Israelites at another point

Giving to meet a need isn't bad, but, hmmm, but the issue of mentioning the amount and saying it was for him to gain power makes the whole thing very questionable


Well his own Jesus na god so he his a false apostle of Christ the son of the living God

Can you disobey someone you claim to believe in?

Between the one who only claims to believe and the one who solely obeys, who do think will be saved, especially when the one who claims to believe lives in disobedience?

The idea that whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved, means anyone who says Jesus is Lord is automatically saved is false. Whosoever believes in Jesus are those who obey Jesus.

And so there are those who will never go for an "altar call" but will be saved because their lives were obedient to the gospel, the gospel of love. They loved, they forgave, they were merciful but well they weren't Christians, didn't go to your church nor sing songs like you do, but they feed the poor, they clothed the naked, they were kind to the weak and wounded, they obeyed, they stopped being selfish and wicked, they repented. They lived the gospel more than you did going to church on Sunday then returning to the world on Monday.

In ancient Hebrew, true belief and obedience are deeply connected and practically inseparable, functioning as two sides of the same coin rather than two distinct concepts. So in biblical Hebrew, there is no separate, isolated word for "obey" that stands apart from hearing. The primary Hebrew word translated as both "listen" and "obey" is shama.

And God commanded in Mark.9.7 Then a cloud came over them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him."

Heb.5.9 In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who OBEY him.

GOD won't save by religion but by obedience.

"Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than other people from Galilee?" he asked. "Is that why they suffered? Not at all! And you will also perish unless you turn from your evil ways and turn to God. And what about the eighteen men who died when the Tower of Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will also perish."
(LUKE 13:2-5)

Heb.6.12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

😊 Sometimes being patient and waiting on God doesn't mean you're lazy or wasting away, for those that wait on the Lord (by doing His will) renew their strength.

Many times you may have heard the phrase, or read it from the Bible, "God's will" but what does "God's will" mean?

God's will simply means what God desires and wants, especially from us. That is why among the mentions of God's will in the Bible, the word 'do' is attached to it.

So the expectation is for us to DO God's will, and for us to be able to do what God desires and wants, we have to know God's will.

Look, is there a benefit to doing God's will? Yes! The benefit is salvation. God's ultimate desire for us is to be saved and to have life forever. Secondly, He wants us to know the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men (1 Tim 2:4-6). Yes, Jesus purchased freedom for you and I. That is why even though you don't believe, God still wants you to have eternal life, you are still alive. God doesn't want you to perish, so He is patiently giving us all more time to repent (2 Pet 3:9).

So the will of God for your life is eternal life, and God desires that we repent, turn away from sinful and worldly way of life and turn to God, surrendering all and trusting Him completely.

It doesn't matter if you know or don't know the name of Jesus or call Him Lord, what matters most is if you do God's will that Jesus proclaimed. Jesus said in

Mark 3:34-35 Then he looked at those around him and said, "These are my mother and brothers. Anyone who does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

Those who do God's will are those who are members of Jesus's family, he doesn't deny them.

Matt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

It doesn't matter what amazing things you think you have done or do, if you don't do God's will, if you do not live according to God's way and will, you perish. If you don't bear the fruit that shows true repentance, the fruit of the Spirit of God, you perish.

Matt 7:22-23 On judgment day many will tell me, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized.'

Jesus didn't just tell us, He showed us. That is why He is the way and we are to be followers of the way, to follow the example of Jesus who,
Gal 1:4 ...the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father...

Who followed God's will even when it meant offering His body as a sacrifice. John records the words of Jesus in John 6:37-40:

However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do what I want.

And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them to eternal life at the last day. For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life — that I should raise them at the last day."

It is God's will that we listen to Jesus, not Moses, the laws that reveal sin and the Levitical priesthood requirements, nor Elijah, the prophets and their patterns. For all have been revealed and fulfilled in Jesus, through whom we receive the spirit of grace and truth.

Once again we confirm that Jesus our example did God's will and not His own, and so we too should do God's will and not ours. We shouldn't do our own will, call it faith and hope God is pleased. Only doing God's will leads to salvation, that is the faith that pleases God and Jesus pleased God, so should we. I know sacrificing ourselves like Jesus did may be daunting, but let's look upon the promise of eternal life that we will receive. Jesus identified Himself with repentant sinners at baptism, God was well pleased. Jesus died for repentant sinners and God honored Him.

Heb 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily hinders our progress. And let us run with endurance the race that God has set before us. We do this by keeping our eyes on Jesus, on whom our faith depends from start to finish. He was willing to die a shameful death on the cross because of the joy he knew would be his afterward. Now he is seated in the place of highest honor beside God's throne in heaven.

(That sin, the one that John writes leads to death, is born from the lust and love of money and the world that causes men to despise God. The sin of unbelief, one rather trusts money and the world than God, to rather believe the power of demons than the power and spirit of God). When we believe, truly believe, a shameful death won't deter us, as long as we die the death of the righteous. We will persevere instead of breaking to the pressure of the world.

Heb 10:36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

Repentance will cause us to forsake the world and follow Christ Jesus by carrying our crosses. It's painful to our flesh but pleasing to God. There are things that will try and tie you down, weights you can't enter the gate with.

Matt 16:24-26 Then Jesus said to the disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must put aside your selfish ambition, shoulder your cross, and follow me. If you try to keep your life for yourself, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for me, you will find true life. And how do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul in the process? Is anything worth more than your soul?

Is the world we live in truly worth it?
1 John 2:17 The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

Is 100 years of enjoyment worth losing 1,000,000,000,000 millenniums and more?
God reduced mankind's lifespan to emphasize to us how worthless this life is compared with what He has for us, compared to new life in Him that is eternal.

If we believe that Jesus rose and is seated at the right hand of God, then we should follow Him...
1 Pet 4:1-2 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

Once again, repent, change your mindset, live for God even if and when it means suffering. That is how to live in God's will. Peter wrote, he who has suffered in his body is done with sin, because to be honest sin pleases our bodies and those who live according to worldly, carnal desires live very pleased lives. Look:

Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

If you are not ready to sacrifice those "pleasures", forsake yourself and stop following worldly patterns of success, you will never know God's will nor live in it.

Rom 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God — this is your spiritual act of worship. (The kind God seeks, those who worship in Spirit are those who have given their physical lives to God and live no more by the flesh)

Rom 12:2 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will know what God wants you to do, and you will know how good and pleasing and perfect His will really is.

You will only know God's will when you stop walking in the way of the world and start walking in the way, the narrow way revealed by our Lord Christ Jesus the son of the living God.

WantsandMore:
That is a whole different conversation, I'll like you to read this exposè on Sex, Sin and Salvation: What Augustine Really Said
(lecture text)
David G. Hunter, PhD

bro it was a simple yes or no question

TenQ:
Go on!

Na so some people like you say "God is a Girl!" and they found scriptures to twist to their interpretations.

Teaching to follow the doctrine of Nicolaitan and Balaam!



Rev 2:14-16:
"But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there some that hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also some that hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans in like manner. Repent therefore; or else I come to thee quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth."


It is one thing you believe this doctrine, it is another to teach and promote it as you are doing.


Pass it through the test of Phil 4:8

false accusations is actually a sin, so be careful. Some jokes are not worth it. If some people want to turn the He used in scripture to mean she that's there business but if you want to use that to score cheap points, continue o...

You are quoting what you don't know nor practice, have you thought what is true and pure towards me or what I wrote, NO, instead you thought evil and made a false accusation.

If you like don't repent, you can face the consequences of your words and actions yourself.

WantsandMore:
Masturbating/masturbation is a strong symptoms of desires of the flesh likened to lustfulness, sensuality and as St. Paul has warned in Galatians 5:19-21 ESV/ Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. and then he goes further to say thus in the following
A reading from the Letter of Saint Paul to the Romans (Roman 8:9.11-13)

Brethren: you are not in the flesh, you are in the spirit, if the spirit of God really dwells in you. Any one who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his spirit who dwells in you. So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh – for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.

The word of the Lord.

so a man who sleeps with his wife, he doesn't lust after her abi, he has no sexual desire towards her abi?

TenQ:
Your argument is like
1. Cocaine, Heroin, Indian Help are not DIRECTLY written anywhere in the Bible. Hallucinating herbs must have been available at that time thus, it is okay to take drugs

2. Why not pass masturbation through the filter of Phillipians 4:8

Philp 4:8:
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honorable, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, meditate on these things."


Some activities are more spiritual than tou think!


1Ths 4:3:
"For God wants you to be holy and pure and to keep clear of all sexual sin"

neither does the Bible spell out what gets a man drunk or high

Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit." This warns against letting any substance control your mind and actions instead of God.


The word for drunk there is intoxicant, that covers all intoxicating substansing that a makes one lose self control.

So while alcohol isn't a sin, being intoxicated is, meaning it doesn't matter what you take as long as it doesn't intoxicate you, bro if sugar intoxicates you, then you are a drunk, if Omo does it, you follow join.

Now your assumption neglects the fact that the Bible speaks about masturbation in Leviticus.

Kelklein:
The Bible hardly specifically mentioned masturbation.. the only reference to Masturbation (with regards to spilling of seed) is in Genesis 38.9 - read the story of Onan. Onan was punished by God after he refused to ejaculate into his late brother wife whom he inherited after the brother's death as per the tradition of that period, rather he chose to spilled the seed on the ground.. (first early withdrawal technique recorded).
The act became known as Onanism.

so God kills every man practicing withdrawal method with their wives abi?

Repent

MrPresident1:
You don't believe that Jesus is God?

I don't believe such lies

Holy2Glory:
Nonsense!
The old testament was the shadows of things to come which was fulfilled in the coming of the Messiah who is Christ. The old testament is a ceremonial aspect of the new testament, it's just the shadow of things, not the main thing. Jesus haven come to the earth began to teach us the real will and purpose of God for the man which Moses couldn't have been able to do since him too was imperfect. In one of his teachings Jesus began to declare that it is not only when you sleep with a woman that you have committed fornication or adultery with her but when you look at a woman lustfully. This was not so in the old testament. In the old you have to engage in the real act first before it can be called fornication or adultery. In the old it was also permitted to marry more than one wife by the law of Moses but when Jesus came he said it is not so, a man should marry one wife; for male and female made he them. This is the reason why the old testament can not be used to build a doctrine. It was just a shadow of things to come not the real thing or the real substance. Christ is the real substance. Moses himself is a man and can not deliver anyone from sin so he is a type of Christ in the old testament which is only a shadow of the real Christ who can deliver from sin to come. You don't say someone have touched you just because his or her shadow touched you; no, it will take the real person to appear after seeing the shadow. I have alot of things to tell you but you can not bear them now. Just keep following and listening and grow in grace for he Spirit of truth will rest upon you.

so to you the real thing that was to come was the real law, not the love God and your neighbor and possibly your enemies, no, not that real law. Your own version of a "real law" that's become a heavier yoke...
So your version of Jesus came to give you a heavier yoke, because the law was a joke abi 🤣 because Christ came to reveal the law abi not the grace to obey God

MrPresident1:
You are disputing what is written?

Titus 2:13
King James Version
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

how did I dispute that the great God will appear and that Christ Jesus our Savior will also appear?

GreyApple:
If we are still living under Moses's law, what's the significance of Jesus death?

did Jesus death reveal what is sin or did Moses's law do so?

vowiski:
This is talking about wet dream and not self service..

well done assistant Moses

In conclusion, our world never returned to how it was before, there is rain, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, mudslides, global warming and other major earth shaking occurences and some think this is how the world has always been, that it has also been unstable but that's what we should expect from a dying world.

If I were to do the math and physics and subtract from the earth the possible volume of water needed to flood our land mass and mountain size, we will see a different world because those "waters" that descended never returned did they. This is without calculating the chemical reactions that occurred during such a process. Just removing that physical amount of "water/liquid" from the earth would reduce it's mass and weight.

a global flood is considered the primary trigger for both massive volcanic eruptions and the Ice Age. Rather than being separate events, violent volcanism, tectonic plate movement, and global freezing are viewed as a single chain reaction. In fact, creation scientists argue that a global flood provides the exact, radical conditions necessary to start an Ice Age, conditions that uniformitarian science struggles to explain.

The result, God gave all of them different languages, which further created other languages in time. So no longer able to communicate, human populations fractured into distinct linguistic groups and began to scatter across the globe.


This migration intersected directly with the final stages of the Earth's post-flood division. As tectonic plates continued to settle and post-glacial sea levels rose locally, land bridges were permanently severed.

Entire groups of people, speaking newly formed languages, found themselves completely marooned on isolated islands and distant continents (such as the Americas and Australia). They remained cut off from mainstream global interaction for thousands of years, preserving their own unique, localized retellings of the great drowning event they had all escaped.

The Flood affected us cultural as well. It caused the earth to shift apart into continents.

The sheer weight and kinetic violence of the water did not leave the Earth's geometry intact. The breaking of the earth's crust violently shifted the tectonic plates. The sudden weight of shifting water masses and runaway subduction forced the landmasses apart, buckling the crust to form our current continental boundaries, deep ocean trenches, and mountain ranges.

But before this occured

The trauma of the global deluge fundamentally altered human psychology, leading directly to the next major historical milestone: the crisis at Babel.

Following the flood, the biblical narrative records that God established a covenant with humanity, setting a rainbow in the sky as a visual guarantee that water would never again destroy all life.

From an optical standpoint, a rainbow requires specific atmospheric conditions—namely, direct sunlight refracting through liquid raindrops. And in a high-pressure, canopy-blanketed pre-flood world where a "mist watered the ground" instead of rain, the atmospheric mechanics did not support this specific optical phenomenon. The appearance of the rainbow was caused by entirely new atmospheric elements and moisture dynamics that settled over the planet only after the canopy collapsed.

Now according to historical accounts and Jewish antiquities (such as the writings of Josephus), the ruler Nimrod did not trust this new atmospheric sign. Driven by fear and defiance, he commanded the construction of the Tower of Babel, a massive, waterproofed ziggurat designed to be high enough to survive a subsequent planetary deluge should the waters rise again.

When the "windows of heaven were opened" (Genesis 7:11), this protective canopy collapsed entirely as torrential rain. The destruction of this atmospheric shield had catastrophic biological consequences

Radiation Influx: Stripping away this specialized layer exposed the Earth to an unprecedented bombardment of cosmic radiation and solar ultraviolet rays.

The Lifespan Drop: In ancient records, pre-flood patriarchs are recorded as living for centuries (e.g., Noah lived to 950). Immediately following the flood, historical and biblical genealogies record a sharp, exponential crash in human lifespans down to modern thresholds. The introduction of cellular degradation from atmospheric radiation, combined with a newly volatile climate, fundamentally altered human biology. Possibly why men and creatures in pre flood era were gigantic in size.

2. The Contamination of Carbon Dating Metrics
Critics often point to radiocarbon dating to argue that fossils and bones are millions of years old. However, this catastrophic model reveals why those baseline metrics are skewed.

Carbon-14 is produced in the upper atmosphere when cosmic rays interact with nitrogen. In a pre-flood world shielded by a dense canopy, C-14 production would have been heavily suppressed or non-existent. Oxygen may have been richer and the whole atmosphere would have been vastly different to a world immersed by rain which could have contained radioactive elements, and other elements which may not have been present in the previous world.

The Deluge of Poisons: The simultaneous rupture of the earth's crust ("fountains of the great deep" released immense volcanic brines, toxic gases, and heavy minerals into the eco-system. This massive upheaval buried vast amounts of pre-flood vegetation and animal matter under heavy sediment, forming our modern fossil fuels and coal beds.

The Resulting Error: Because the pre-flood atmosphere lacked modern levels of C-14, and because organic matter was thoroughly saturated by volcanic and environmental contaminants, applying modern uniformitarian carbon-dating methods to these bones yields artificially inflated ages.


To put in simpler terms, a dying 20yr old can look more or twice their age.