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Goosethetruth:
Like I said earlier, you can twist and turn like a pretzel and turn as much Amala and Eba as you want. The simple fact is the Christian God and his book do NOT once condemn slavery but rather promote and advocate for slavery as an institution of virtue!!!
Show me one place in your holy book where just one of the holy men inclusive of Jesus,condemned slavery just once!!!
Lol...

bro you are condemned already for being a slave to sin which Jesus came to set you free from.

By the way did you know not all slaves were forced or slaves of war, some where situational slaves who sold themselves off so as to survive

Slavery was also a fun of punishment like imprisonment,

Kemical23:
So you are one of them, pls I from the south south before you tag me Muslim....
If you carry this your mindset come close to my door step I will not take it likely with you...

you think who you are and where you are from matters before God or you tell yourself there is no God, everything just appeared like that

jamesman10:
book written by which God? a book written by your colonial masters is the book of life,weldone brainwashed fools. do yourself good and read about canonisation of the scripture
mind u I went to one of the best Bible school in Nigeria 99 percent of trained pastors don't believe in hell some may preach it just to make a living

did you receive the Holy Spirit from Jesus that teaches the truth?

Truthseeker10:
Did he burn them in hell?

no but he will burn alot in lake of fire

paxonel:
Jesus was quoting the law!

Hell fire there was a physical punishment among the Jews in those days for breaking the law.
In some cultures, if you curse anyone, you will receive 10 strokes of the cain right there as punishment.
But in the Jewish culture of those days, if you curse anyone you will receive hell fire right there as punishment.

So, what is that punishment called hell fire?
It might just be going to the farm to clear forest of cassava to make akpu for village people.
That is your punishment for insulting a person

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Goosethetruth:
You are just being clever by half.
The Christian Bible and God consistently extole the virtue of slavery and in fact advocates for it constantly. Like I said earlier instead of using the first three commandments to emphasise self,the Christian God could have simply condemned slavery.

Here are passages from the Bible that extole and encourage slavery as an institution of virtue. Please get out your Bible and fact check me!

1.Exodus chapter 21 verses 20-21
2.Exodus chapter 21 verse 2.
3. Leviticus chapter 25. Verse 44.
And if in your usual way of deflection that the New Testament has wiped away the old laws here is the books of the New Testament glorifying and promoting slavery as a virtue.
Please open your Bible to the New Testament to fact check me again!!!

3. Colossians chapter 3 verse 22.
4. 1st Peter chapter 2 verse 18.
5. 1st Timothy chapter 6 verse 1.
Ephesians chapter6 verse 5.

Now you are free to start contorting like a pretzel and start turning Eba and Amala.
Lol..

If you are clever by a 'full' then you should learn what extole and encourage means before you misuse it like a 'full'

So let those who are wise read and check how did God, praise, make high, glorify, support, motivate, recommend or give a command for establishing slavery

Exod.21.2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. (NIV)

Humans decided to take each other has slaves and Moses wrote laws to govern the behavior of Israelites towards their slaves remembering they were one slaves. So because a person is a slave to you doesn't mean he can do and undo to them, you shall not commit murder, their freedom belongs to you not their life.

Exod.21.19 - If the injured person is later able to walk again, even with a crutch, the assailant will be innocent. Nonetheless, the assailant must pay for time lost because of the injury and must pay for the medical expenses.
Exod.21.20 - "If a male or female slave is beaten and dies, the owner must be punished.
Exod.21.21 - If the slave recovers after a couple of days, however, then the owner should not be punished, since the slave is the owner's property.
Exod.21.22 - "Now suppose two people are fighting, and in the process, they hurt a pregnant woman so her child is born prematurely. If no further harm results, then the person responsible must pay damages in the amount the woman's husband demands and the judges approve.


God frees slaves and prisoners yet they both still exist.

God nor His church established slavery, the apostles taught how we should treat and love people around us. What? Were you expecting the church to abolish the government of the world?

Col.3.22 - You slaves must obey your earthly masters in everything you do. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. Obey them willingly because of your reverent fear of the Lord.
Col.3.23 - Work hard and cheerfully at whatever you do, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people.

Bro most Nigerians are slave, we work for what we eat and what we wear daily, the rest is taken away by our owners or leaders. The church had no legal authority to abolish Roman slavery, or you want to use your cleverness by a "ful" to tell us how the church would have abolished it or should they have told them, rebel, kill your masters, rape their daughters, hurt them back.

Okay, Peter, I bet you didn't read those verse nor will you read this, Mr. Clever
1Pet.2.17 - Show respect for everyone. Love your Christian brothers and sisters. Fear God. Show respect for the king.
1Pet.2.18 - You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters. Do whatever they tell you--not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are harsh.
1Pet.2.19 - For God is pleased with you when, for the sake of your conscience, you patiently endure unfair treatment.
1Pet.2.20 - Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you suffer for doing right and are patient beneath the blows, God is pleased with you.
1Pet.2.21 - This suffering is all part of what God has called you to. Christ, who suffered for you, is your example. Follow in his steps.


1Tim.6.1 Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. (NLT)

Or serve so well, wait that's what Joseph did and some how he ended up in prison nah, he passed through the prison and became the prime minister of the greatest nation of that era.

The gospel was also for the slaves not for them to be enslaved but for them to find freedom even in humanly caused situation, to focus on serving God and look at their situation as an opportunity to show God's love. Whether you are free or a slave.

Eph.6.5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Eph.6.6 - Work hard, but not just to please your masters when they are watching. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart.
Eph.6.7 - Work with enthusiasm, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people.
Eph.6.8 - Remember that the Lord will reward each one of us for the good we do, whether we are slaves or free.
Eph.6.9 - And in the same way, you masters must treat your slaves right. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favorites.

angelboy01:
Hell doesn't exist and even God proved it doesn't.

Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.

Deuteronomy 18:10
“Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire…”

Deuteronomy 12:31
The nations “burn even their sons and daughters in the fire” to their gods — something God says He hates.

This is God himself speaking against people who burn humans for whatever and God explicitly said it has never entered his mind and he hates it.

lol 🤣😂 and you think God is a man, bro He burnt sodom and gomorah down to a crisp even the stones self burn

Kemical23:
Imagine telling me I will go and burn in one place because of a book invented by their slave masters...

no, no, not because of a book invented by men but because of a book written by God, the creator of the universe, the book of life.

paxonel:
Infact, all of then have resorted not to mention the fake gospel of hell fire very often in their messages because the gospel is not adding up and they are yet to literally understand what Jesus meant by helll fire in his parable.

That means, they have been confused all these years

Matt.5.22 - But I say, if you are angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.
Matt.5.29 - So if your eye--even if it is your good eye--causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.5.30 - And if your hand--even if it is your stronger hand--causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.7.13 - "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way.
Matt.10.28 - "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill you. They can only kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt.16.18 - Now I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.
Matt.18.9 - And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to enter heaven half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.
Matt.23.15 - Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are.
Matt.23.33 - Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?
Luke.12.5 - But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill people and then throw them into hell.


Parable abi, oya be explaining the hell parable and the heaven paradox

Janosky:
True words you said..

Hellfire nah format to instill fear.
Jesus Christ never taught anything about it.

Matt.5.22 - But I say, if you are angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.
Matt.5.29 - So if your eye--even if it is your good eye--causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.5.30 - And if your hand--even if it is your stronger hand--causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.7.13 - "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way.
Matt.10.28 - "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill you. They can only kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt.16.18 - Now I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.
Matt.18.9 - And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to enter heaven half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.
Matt.23.15 - Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are.
Matt.23.33 - Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?
Luke.12.5 - But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill people and then throw them into hell.

Goosethetruth:
You seriously need to educate and update yourself. The ten commandments you listed from Exodus are not the total and complete Mosaic laws. The Mosaic laws are found in Exodus, Chapters 17, 22,24,and 34. They are also found in Deuteronomy,Chapter 34. Leviticus,Chapter 26. Numbers. The book of Kings as well as the book of Joshua.

These Mosaic laws touch on morality,society,purification,festivals,sacrifice and offerings and how to conduct them,instructions for selection of the priesthood and the tabernacle. Laws on the ark of the Lord. The food laws cover clean and unclean foods. The clothes laws cover allowed and forbidden apparel for the Israelites.

The laws may not have been plagiarised but these laws were certainly influenced by earlier Babylonian civilisation.

lol earlier Babylonian civilization. Amazing how you mock another for ignorance while you gloat in yours

Goosethetruth:
Those first four commandments scream about the vanity and ego of the God in question. They scream,ME!ME!! and only ME!!!
Don't you find it incredibly strange that there is no condemnation of a evil vice like slavery in these ten commandments?

thou shall not steal, oh don't you understand that forced slavery is stolen freedom?
Why don't you understand that?

TheMadame:
God is setting out the basis and terms by which he will love and protect his people.
It is a terms for an agreement. Once you agree to these terms you will come under the broad love and protection of God Almighty. These are very simple moral codes to follow.
The terms set out in the beginning of the ten commandments are a miniscule price to pay to attain eternal life,don't you agree?

it's not terms for Him to love them nor by which He will love them, for He already loved them but the terms where for them to CONTINUE in His love.

And yea I agree. 💯 Amen

Goosethetruth:
Interesting.
Don't you find it strange and egotistical that this God spends almost half of these commandments talking about himself and what he wants?
Like I said,I find it interesting that an omnipotent God seems so insecure.

so resting and honoring your parents show God is talking about himself, so you want to serve stones and woods and act like the sun is divine in ignorance?

First command tells you the truth, there is only one God so we don't get deceived by demons. Don't misuse His name for materialize and vain things, basically don't do religion esp for money

TheMadame:
Jesus modified these ten commandments into two commandments in the New Testament . Jesus said:
1. Love your God with all your heart
and soul.

2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

This is found in the Gospel of Mathew Chapter 22. Verses 37-39.



Chapter 22.

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.




Does all morality come from the 10 commandments and the subsequent paraphrasing by our Lord Jesus Christ? I sincerely believe it does. The 10 commandments are the basis of all forms of morality and moral justice.
Love God with all your heart and do onto your neighbor as you will have them do onto you.

Good day everyone.

does our society morality include people loving God?

AntiChristian:
Take them for counselling!

counselling that will tell them that's it's okay and they should feel no guilt or counsel from God's word that will give them light and draw them out of darkness

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank God you did not show any scripture which says we should pray for them, so, you are just talking your own

so we should imprison them for the rest of their lives or have them burn on a stake.

While the law reveals it to be a sin, our prayers help us find grace to overcome sins, as we approach God's throne.

You may not be homosexual but you wan talk say your life dey completely pure that you would suggest eh well thank God the Bible didn't say we should pray for them

1Tim.2.1 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. As you make your requests, plead for God's mercy upon them, and give thanks. (NLT)

I believe they, homosexuals, are also people abi

Originalsly:
Not about where ... it's about what.... and that "what" can be anything.... as in a black mamba is in the kitchen.... I believe I can kill it ... but do I have the faith ... the confidence to go kill it? ... belief before faith. If it's faith first ... same scenario ... snake in the kitchen... and you have faith ... faith or confidence in what?

bro question still remains, okay let's change it from where does your believe come from to what does your believe come from.

Originalsly:
A. I have faith because I'm a believer.

Belief comes first. If you don't have belief .. how will you have faith?.. faith based on what?

"I have faith that Nigeria will win the 2030 World Cup ... but at this moment I don't believe it... maybe I will ".

"I believe Nigeria will win the 2030 World Cup ... but at this moment I don't have faith they will ... maybe later".

if belief to you comes first, where does it come from?

Arda1000:
man I don’t have that time

truthfully I tell you, you do not

thesicilian:
Belief is even less than knowledge, technically speaking. Belief is at the level of hope. What you believe you don't really know if it's true or not, you just hope it is true because that is what you choose to be true. A man hears the word of God and decides to believe it to be true or not. [Romans 10: 14 - How can they believe when they have not heard] If he chooses to believe what he has heard, and then goes ahead to act on that belief, that is faith. It is faith that brings the evidence, not just belief. That is why Hebrews 11.1 describes faith as the substance, the evidence of things we hope [believe] for. It is faith that moves mountains, not just belief.
So hearing is step 1, believing is step 2, and faith is step 3 to knowing the word of God and exhibiting it's power

bro faith is the evidence not the bringer of the evidence

RealityKings1:
That was written by men like you Limited to the ideas prevalent in their time

re read what I wrote I added some stuffs to it. Anyway you were the one who made the statement it's left for you to show and prove where you got it from instead of generalizing it to a possibly existing idea.

RealityKings1:
Consciousness can not be destroyed. But the earth takes back that which belongs to it

who told you consciousness cannot be destroyed?

If man is dust and returns to dust, and agree this is true, do you realize you had previously heard and believed a lie.

But was man only made from dust, God's breathe that went into him returns back to God, is that what you are calling consciousness?

About your question why do men die, lol, we got a privilege other animals did not have and when we lost that privilege we died and returned to the dust like other animals as well. But this death is different from the soul that sins shall die, for we became living souls after God breath into us this is what enabled us to enjoy the privilege of living for as long as we didn't eat the corrupted fruit. A soul that dies cannot retain nor stay alive. If a man has no soul he cannot have eternal life even if it's available. So losing his flesh can't be compared to losing his soul

Arda1000:
how can faith be evidence?

because faith, the faith, is noun and used as a noun referring to a substance and existence that we should have. Such that proves that what God is saying or said is true. So faith is evidence because God made it so, as the Spirit of God is given as proof that all His promises are true.

One would read by faith, through faith, have no faith, have less faith, has great faith or faith comes from God's word. Faith the means by which those who believe access God's righteousness, Romans 3:22. It's still Faith that one must have to believe and access God, Hebs 11:6

2Cor.4.13 It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, (NIV)

Gal.3.22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Through faith in Jesus, through evidence and substance in Jesus that we may believe and receive God's promise.

Faith is the evidence that enables us to please God by making us trust in Him and approach Him.

Faith is not intangible though spiritual, it exits to prove to us there is God, that He not only exits but created all there is and that His word comes to pass, it's now left for us to accept and believe.

Arda1000:
well I believe you’re a Christian so u base your beliefs from the Bible.
That’s what I read from the Bible

you could quote where it is written, Google or AI would help. Just quote it out first please

geoworldedu:
Both are correct. Faith came because of believing and believing keeps you in that faith. It's a circus.

Faith comes from God's word and because of God's word

If you have faith because of who you are instead of having faith because God has said or what God has done then you don't have faith

thesicilian:
Belief is the foundation on which faith is built. You cannot have faith without believing . So technically the first option is the correct one.
Belief is just a mental state of mind (e.g yes I know God has the power to heal me) while faith is you taking actual steps and actions based on your belief (actually making attempts to stand up from the wheelchair because you know that God will strengthen your legs so you don't fall)

you are describing belief as knowledge and faith as acting upon that knowledge.

But scripture shows that true faith is what results to godly action/works that reveal a person's faith. So faith in God(from God) is an evidence that prompts people to do what is right.

I don't know where or who defines belief as knowledge, what you believe or becomes your belief is what you accept to be true, if you say you know something to be true it's because you have evidence that it is true.

How does a person know God can heal, it is from the word of God that presents that evidence that they later come to believe. So a person cannot believe or accept first without evidence. But because there is evidence that what they want as occured already they believe it to be possible.

Arda1000:
Non Faith is a blind belief,if you choose to believe without evidence that’s faith.

how can believing without evidence be faith when faith is literally the evidence?

Arda1000:
why would he sent his son to come and die for his own mistakes?
If your god is omnipotent and omnipresent why would he make a mistake?

first answer this, who told you these things?

I cannot answer questions based on what a liar told you

RealityKings1:
If we all came from heaven in the first place, why will anyone die so that I can go back to where I came from?

who told you that you came from heaven in the first place?

It is written Gen.3.19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." (NIV)

If Jesus set you free, the reason he did so was so that you love and not be under the law of bondage. He didn't not give you the spirit of fear but of son ship that you would listen to God and do His will. So if God has given you the grace to stay away from all these praise the Lord but do not judge others based on meat or drink. For while some code, some farm, some teach, some find their hands to do what they can.

And yet I say these, not to promote them, but government officers, prostitutes will only make heaven not because there deeds are holy but because of their heart and obedience to God, do they love, do they do good or do they hate and hurt those around them. It doesn't matter what evil the devil does with what God has made, even poison won't hurt those who believe and obey God as long they did not test God. So it doesn't matter the situation a person finds themselves or is through into, what matters is what they do, good or evil, kindness or selfishness, in love or in wickedness