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paxonel:
Infact, all of then have resorted not to mention the fake gospel of hell fire very often in their messages because the gospel is not adding up and they are yet to literally understand what Jesus meant by helll fire in his parable.

That means, they have been confused all these years

Matt.5.22 - But I say, if you are angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.
Matt.5.29 - So if your eye--even if it is your good eye--causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.5.30 - And if your hand--even if it is your stronger hand--causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.7.13 - "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way.
Matt.10.28 - "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill you. They can only kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt.16.18 - Now I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.
Matt.18.9 - And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to enter heaven half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.
Matt.23.15 - Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are.
Matt.23.33 - Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?
Luke.12.5 - But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill people and then throw them into hell.


Parable abi, oya be explaining the hell parable and the heaven paradox

Janosky:
True words you said..

Hellfire nah format to instill fear.
Jesus Christ never taught anything about it.

Matt.5.22 - But I say, if you are angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.
Matt.5.29 - So if your eye--even if it is your good eye--causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.5.30 - And if your hand--even if it is your stronger hand--causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt.7.13 - "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way.
Matt.10.28 - "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill you. They can only kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt.16.18 - Now I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.
Matt.18.9 - And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to enter heaven half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.
Matt.23.15 - Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are.
Matt.23.33 - Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?
Luke.12.5 - But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill people and then throw them into hell.

Goosethetruth:
You seriously need to educate and update yourself. The ten commandments you listed from Exodus are not the total and complete Mosaic laws. The Mosaic laws are found in Exodus, Chapters 17, 22,24,and 34. They are also found in Deuteronomy,Chapter 34. Leviticus,Chapter 26. Numbers. The book of Kings as well as the book of Joshua.

These Mosaic laws touch on morality,society,purification,festivals,sacrifice and offerings and how to conduct them,instructions for selection of the priesthood and the tabernacle. Laws on the ark of the Lord. The food laws cover clean and unclean foods. The clothes laws cover allowed and forbidden apparel for the Israelites.

The laws may not have been plagiarised but these laws were certainly influenced by earlier Babylonian civilisation.

lol earlier Babylonian civilization. Amazing how you mock another for ignorance while you gloat in yours

Goosethetruth:
Those first four commandments scream about the vanity and ego of the God in question. They scream,ME!ME!! and only ME!!!
Don't you find it incredibly strange that there is no condemnation of a evil vice like slavery in these ten commandments?

thou shall not steal, oh don't you understand that forced slavery is stolen freedom?
Why don't you understand that?

TheMadame:
God is setting out the basis and terms by which he will love and protect his people.
It is a terms for an agreement. Once you agree to these terms you will come under the broad love and protection of God Almighty. These are very simple moral codes to follow.
The terms set out in the beginning of the ten commandments are a miniscule price to pay to attain eternal life,don't you agree?

it's not terms for Him to love them nor by which He will love them, for He already loved them but the terms where for them to CONTINUE in His love.

And yea I agree. 💯 Amen

Goosethetruth:
Interesting.
Don't you find it strange and egotistical that this God spends almost half of these commandments talking about himself and what he wants?
Like I said,I find it interesting that an omnipotent God seems so insecure.

so resting and honoring your parents show God is talking about himself, so you want to serve stones and woods and act like the sun is divine in ignorance?

First command tells you the truth, there is only one God so we don't get deceived by demons. Don't misuse His name for materialize and vain things, basically don't do religion esp for money

TheMadame:
Jesus modified these ten commandments into two commandments in the New Testament . Jesus said:
1. Love your God with all your heart
and soul.

2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

This is found in the Gospel of Mathew Chapter 22. Verses 37-39.



Chapter 22.

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.




Does all morality come from the 10 commandments and the subsequent paraphrasing by our Lord Jesus Christ? I sincerely believe it does. The 10 commandments are the basis of all forms of morality and moral justice.
Love God with all your heart and do onto your neighbor as you will have them do onto you.

Good day everyone.

does our society morality include people loving God?

AntiChristian:
Take them for counselling!

counselling that will tell them that's it's okay and they should feel no guilt or counsel from God's word that will give them light and draw them out of darkness

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank God you did not show any scripture which says we should pray for them, so, you are just talking your own

so we should imprison them for the rest of their lives or have them burn on a stake.

While the law reveals it to be a sin, our prayers help us find grace to overcome sins, as we approach God's throne.

You may not be homosexual but you wan talk say your life dey completely pure that you would suggest eh well thank God the Bible didn't say we should pray for them

1Tim.2.1 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. As you make your requests, plead for God's mercy upon them, and give thanks. (NLT)

I believe they, homosexuals, are also people abi

Originalsly:
Not about where ... it's about what.... and that "what" can be anything.... as in a black mamba is in the kitchen.... I believe I can kill it ... but do I have the faith ... the confidence to go kill it? ... belief before faith. If it's faith first ... same scenario ... snake in the kitchen... and you have faith ... faith or confidence in what?

bro question still remains, okay let's change it from where does your believe come from to what does your believe come from.

Originalsly:
A. I have faith because I'm a believer.

Belief comes first. If you don't have belief .. how will you have faith?.. faith based on what?

"I have faith that Nigeria will win the 2030 World Cup ... but at this moment I don't believe it... maybe I will ".

"I believe Nigeria will win the 2030 World Cup ... but at this moment I don't have faith they will ... maybe later".

if belief to you comes first, where does it come from?

Arda1000:
man I don’t have that time

truthfully I tell you, you do not

thesicilian:
Belief is even less than knowledge, technically speaking. Belief is at the level of hope. What you believe you don't really know if it's true or not, you just hope it is true because that is what you choose to be true. A man hears the word of God and decides to believe it to be true or not. [Romans 10: 14 - How can they believe when they have not heard] If he chooses to believe what he has heard, and then goes ahead to act on that belief, that is faith. It is faith that brings the evidence, not just belief. That is why Hebrews 11.1 describes faith as the substance, the evidence of things we hope [believe] for. It is faith that moves mountains, not just belief.
So hearing is step 1, believing is step 2, and faith is step 3 to knowing the word of God and exhibiting it's power

bro faith is the evidence not the bringer of the evidence

RealityKings1:
That was written by men like you Limited to the ideas prevalent in their time

re read what I wrote I added some stuffs to it. Anyway you were the one who made the statement it's left for you to show and prove where you got it from instead of generalizing it to a possibly existing idea.

RealityKings1:
Consciousness can not be destroyed. But the earth takes back that which belongs to it

who told you consciousness cannot be destroyed?

If man is dust and returns to dust, and agree this is true, do you realize you had previously heard and believed a lie.

But was man only made from dust, God's breathe that went into him returns back to God, is that what you are calling consciousness?

About your question why do men die, lol, we got a privilege other animals did not have and when we lost that privilege we died and returned to the dust like other animals as well. But this death is different from the soul that sins shall die, for we became living souls after God breath into us this is what enabled us to enjoy the privilege of living for as long as we didn't eat the corrupted fruit. A soul that dies cannot retain nor stay alive. If a man has no soul he cannot have eternal life even if it's available. So losing his flesh can't be compared to losing his soul

Arda1000:
how can faith be evidence?

because faith, the faith, is noun and used as a noun referring to a substance and existence that we should have. Such that proves that what God is saying or said is true. So faith is evidence because God made it so, as the Spirit of God is given as proof that all His promises are true.

One would read by faith, through faith, have no faith, have less faith, has great faith or faith comes from God's word. Faith the means by which those who believe access God's righteousness, Romans 3:22. It's still Faith that one must have to believe and access God, Hebs 11:6

2Cor.4.13 It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, (NIV)

Gal.3.22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Through faith in Jesus, through evidence and substance in Jesus that we may believe and receive God's promise.

Faith is the evidence that enables us to please God by making us trust in Him and approach Him.

Faith is not intangible though spiritual, it exits to prove to us there is God, that He not only exits but created all there is and that His word comes to pass, it's now left for us to accept and believe.

Arda1000:
well I believe you’re a Christian so u base your beliefs from the Bible.
That’s what I read from the Bible

you could quote where it is written, Google or AI would help. Just quote it out first please

geoworldedu:
Both are correct. Faith came because of believing and believing keeps you in that faith. It's a circus.

Faith comes from God's word and because of God's word

If you have faith because of who you are instead of having faith because God has said or what God has done then you don't have faith

thesicilian:
Belief is the foundation on which faith is built. You cannot have faith without believing . So technically the first option is the correct one.
Belief is just a mental state of mind (e.g yes I know God has the power to heal me) while faith is you taking actual steps and actions based on your belief (actually making attempts to stand up from the wheelchair because you know that God will strengthen your legs so you don't fall)

you are describing belief as knowledge and faith as acting upon that knowledge.

But scripture shows that true faith is what results to godly action/works that reveal a person's faith. So faith in God(from God) is an evidence that prompts people to do what is right.

I don't know where or who defines belief as knowledge, what you believe or becomes your belief is what you accept to be true, if you say you know something to be true it's because you have evidence that it is true.

How does a person know God can heal, it is from the word of God that presents that evidence that they later come to believe. So a person cannot believe or accept first without evidence. But because there is evidence that what they want as occured already they believe it to be possible.

Arda1000:
Non Faith is a blind belief,if you choose to believe without evidence that’s faith.

how can believing without evidence be faith when faith is literally the evidence?

Arda1000:
why would he sent his son to come and die for his own mistakes?
If your god is omnipotent and omnipresent why would he make a mistake?

first answer this, who told you these things?

I cannot answer questions based on what a liar told you

RealityKings1:
If we all came from heaven in the first place, why will anyone die so that I can go back to where I came from?

who told you that you came from heaven in the first place?

It is written Gen.3.19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." (NIV)

If Jesus set you free, the reason he did so was so that you love and not be under the law of bondage. He didn't not give you the spirit of fear but of son ship that you would listen to God and do His will. So if God has given you the grace to stay away from all these praise the Lord but do not judge others based on meat or drink. For while some code, some farm, some teach, some find their hands to do what they can.

And yet I say these, not to promote them, but government officers, prostitutes will only make heaven not because there deeds are holy but because of their heart and obedience to God, do they love, do they do good or do they hate and hurt those around them. It doesn't matter what evil the devil does with what God has made, even poison won't hurt those who believe and obey God as long they did not test God. So it doesn't matter the situation a person finds themselves or is through into, what matters is what they do, good or evil, kindness or selfishness, in love or in wickedness

AntiChristian:
For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son...

Wasn't God sending him to die?

And you're still claiming God didn't kill his son!

He sent him with eternal life for those who are dying, so God sent Jesus to rise up from the dead into eternal life and lead others into the same life

kppo:
A) I have faith because I am a believer
or
B) I am a believer because I have faith

A believer is the one who believes that Jesus is the son of God, the Christ

Faith is the evidence/substance that comes from hearing God's word

Romans 10:14-17 answers this question, how can any believe a word they have not heard

So if the first thing is hearing God's word, it means it is the faith, the evidence that comes from having heard that word that makes us believers, those who believe, accept and trust that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Faith doesn't come to us because we believe, it comes to us because we hear God's word, while we come to believe because of the faith we now have, which expresses it's self through love. One cannot be a believer without faith.

But one can have faith, be it a dead faith, and not be a believer. So we are believers because we have faith and faith doesn't need to come to you because you are a believer, for faith goes to those who are unbelievers so that they may become believers.

AngelicBeing:
Another angle to the discourse, it is not really about the falling like you highlighted but what transformation/ illumination/ empowerment/ en-gracement and renewal that really takes place in the life of those who fall ooooooooo mucheche 😂

lol some keep falling almost every other Sunday but them no dey ever change

daniwise:
This thread is filled with so many ignorant people.So are you trying to tell me that holy spirits dont exist?I am a direct beneficiary of the holy spirit.That is all I have to say.

well it's not like holy spirit is taught in schools

Samantha125:
Some of us never fell into the anointing no matter how powerful the pastor was perceived to be...

Elisha did not fall under double the spirit nor did the apostles in the upper room, so it's okay if people "don't fall" as long as they rise in God's presence

immortalcrown:
But camera men, singers, instrumentalists, ushers and interpreters do not partake in the anointing.

lol at times they do o

Sometimes the minister may warn the cameraman before hand to hand it over to someone else

Everyone doesn't fall na

First of all, happy father's day, especially to the one true Father of all, YHVH.

Eph.4.6 and there is only one God and Father, who is over us all and in us all and living through us all.

Now did this Father kill His son, the lamb of God? No God did not kill His Son, the world did. You may now ask why did God all so powerful let His begotten son die to sinners. Well quickest answer to show them He has power over their greatest fear, power even over death. For God raised Jesus from the dead, Acts 2:32. So "Even though you kill him, he, Jesus, won't stay dead"

Acts.2.36 "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

The people of the world crucified Jesus not the Father, the same world God so loved and gave His son to, John 3:16. And He didn't give us His son for us to kill, but for us to listen to, to obey.

Mark.9.7 Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!"

God loved the world but He loves His son much more, and as He is the Father to all, He gave those who were and are wrong the opportunity to change and this is what Fatherhood is about, teaching, training and correction.


Heb.12.5 - And have you entirely forgotten the encouraging words God spoke to you, his children? He said, "My child, don't ignore it when the Lord disciplines you, and don't be discouraged when he corrects you.
Heb.12.6 - For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes those he accepts as his children."
Heb.12.7 - As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Whoever heard of a child who was never disciplined?
Heb.12.8 - If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children after all.
Heb.12.9 - Since we respect our earthly fathers who disciplined us, should we not all the more cheerfully submit to the discipline of our heavenly Father and live forever?
Heb.12.10 - For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God's discipline is always right and good for us because it means we will share in his holiness.
Heb.12.11 - No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening--it is painful! But afterward there will be a quiet harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.


Now while God knew Jesus would die by the hands of the wicked, God rose him from the dead. At times our Father in heaven let's us go through things that make us question if we really have a Father who cares and loves us, but His plan for us is good and the end of it all for those who love God works in our favor.

We cannot really count ourselves as children of God if we are not ready to carry our crosses like Jesus did, if we are not ready to submit to God's will despite the suffering involved. Pain and suffering doesn't mean God our Father doesn't love you, it doesn't mean God doesn't care, it just means you are a human on earth, passing through a training process for the world to come.

Heb.5.7 - While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could deliver him out of death. And God heard his prayers because of his reverence for God.
Heb.5.8 - So even though Jesus was God's Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered.

What Father doesn't prepare His children for the future to come and in our case, eternal life to come?!

Happy Father's day once again

1John.3.7 - 8
Dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it is because they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy these works of the Devil.