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SIRTee15:
Jesus being God is an unnecessary distraction to real reason Christ came.

Why are we so obsessed with something Jesus Christ didn't say rather than focus on his message.

Jesus said HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD AND A REMISSION FOR SIN.

HE ALSO SAID NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM AND HE IS THE GIVER OF ETERNAL LIFE.
HE ALSO AFFIRMED HE IS THE SON OF GOD.

The above is more than sufficient to convince any sincere person about the person of Christ and his mission.

Anyone using the deity of Christ argument to deny the person of Christ os just being insincere.

Omooba77:
What really convince you of the existence of God?

Ken4Christ:
Legally, salvation has been made available for all creation. All creation has been given the opportunity to be born again and Jesus is the first to be born again. Several thousands are getting born again on a daily basis. So, the choice is left to each individual.

MetalJigsaw:
That's a lie. Didn't you ask whether God is one person and I answered?

MetalJigsaw:
My problem with some people is their blind argument combined with arrogance.

Where did I say I Won't answer?
If you want to engage me in blind argument forget it. But if you genuinely want to know stuff I will answer all your questions. That's what I'm saying.

MetalJigsaw:
Sorry but you sound like a Muslim. Are you one? I need to know so Won't have to waste my time discussing.

MetalJigsaw:
They are not one person.

MetalJigsaw:
Don't pretend you can't comprehend a simple English sentence

What's the difference in all these verses? testify/ bear witnesses all mean the same. You have no point.

Ken4Christ:
Before he became the Lamb of God, he was worshipped. Didn't you read the references.

The title, Lamb of God of Jesus was used above all other title because it was his precious blood that brought us salvation. It didn't change who he is.

He is God in the flesh and as such deserves our worship.

God the Father commanded all angels to worship him.

Ken4Christ:
Below are Scripture Evidence that Jesus is worshipped. Refute each of them with reasonable arguments that they weren't worships otherwise remain silent forever on this issue:

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11
"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him..."

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2
"And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18
"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33
"Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25
"Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him."

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted."

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38
"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he worshiped Him."

9. Thomas Worships the Resurrected Jesus – John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

In the Book of Revelation

1. Angelic Worship of the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!’"

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’"

Ken4Christ:
Scriptural Evidence that Jesus is Co-Creator with God the Father

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but the eternal Creator who existed with God the Father from the beginning. Below are scriptural proofs showing that Jesus shares in the divine nature and creative work of God.
John 1:1–3, 10, 14 (KJV)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Explanation: Jesus (the Word) existed in the beginning, was with God, and was God. He made all things; He is the Creator, not a creation.

Colossians 1:15–17 (KJV)
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth... all things were created by him, and for him.”

Explanation: Jesus is both Creator and Sustainer. 'Firstborn' means preeminent, not first created.

Hebrews 1:1–3, 8, 10 (KJV)
“By whom also he made the worlds... Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

Explanation: The Father calls the Son 'God' and attributes creation to Him.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...”

Explanation: The plural 'us' shows divine partnership — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit involved in creation.

John 17:5 (KJV)

“Glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

Explanation: Jesus existed with the Father and shared His eternal glory before creation.

Philippians 2:5–7 (KJV)
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God...”

Explanation: Jesus existed in divine form before taking human nature.

Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“Out of thee shall he come forth... whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Explanation: The Messiah (Jesus) is eternal — His existence is from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17–18 (KJV)
“I am Alpha and Omega... I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore.”

Explanation: Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega, the same title used by God the Father.
John 8:58 (KJV)

“Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Explanation: Jesus used God’s own name 'I AM', revealing His eternal existence and deity.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV)
“One God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things.”

Explanation: Creation is of the Father and by the Son — showing unity and equality in creation.
Summary of the Truth

• Jesus is eternal — He existed before creation.
• Jesus is Creator — all things were made by Him.
• Jesus is God — He shares the same glory, power, and nature with the Father.
• Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Ken4Christ:
You already called him who is his- The Father God. He created all things through Jesus. That is the connection.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus was not created. He is the Creator of all things.

Gabrielshow24:
All these for asking why your god is not an ’Eternal Father’? 🤧

Appealing to scripture, to dismiss my question as ’argumentative’ is baseless. Likewise, I am following the scripture by testing all things🤷. Mind you, both of you have the same god 🤨. Definitely, the conclusion from the subject matter is that your god is not self sufficient. You serve a mutable god 😅. Thus, we don't serve the same god😊!

Finally, any ... person will know that ’everlasting’ and ’eternal’ are not ’fully’ the same. If my statement were wrong you would have provided a definition to show that they both were one and the same. In your bid to talk, you can't just help but to show forth your “flaws“🤨. How many times must I tell you along with your crew to think before posting? 😮‍💨

Pls, stop casting further aspersions on your educational background 🥱.

Gabrielshow24:
While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

Gabrielshow24:
Sarcasm🥱.

Kindly tell us who created time? Use your usual, ’cartoonist analogy’🤧

LoneSoldier:
Ever since you came to this world, how many times have you been hearing christians talking about how the world is going to come to an end?

Just be straight, how many times?

LoneSoldier:
Just using it as an illustration, I can't be that lazy to believe that trash.

Gabrielshow24:
You tell me, genius? 🤨

You might want to think deeply for this one😅

LoneSoldier:
Joke aside is everything surrounding God real, is everything told to us in the bible real, have you come across anybody who have really seen Jesus and his disciples in real life, why preach a dillusional message to people when you know that most of what you preach is a myth.

Religion as we know it isn't real is just a folk tale, the most annoying part is the hell and heaven you peeps keep talking about, since the year 2000 I stopped going to church, when I concluded the ignorance of christians about heaven and hell bullshit. Its been 25 years now and no world has ended, the thing is how long are humans going to be living with lies and deceit from people who call themselves christians?

Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you should have taken the rest of scripture into account before making such a response.

As long as we, the sons of God, live in Him(Jesus) having Eternal life then he is our Eternal Father or to be specific as Isaiah puts it, Everlasting Father! —This implies a beginning🤨 but it's doesn't have an end.

While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

Now once more, tell me how your god is an eternal Father? note: ’not an Everlasting Father’

Emusan:
Yes! Paul said that.



So answer my question, what did the Son do when God was creating the Universe?

Why are you dodging this question since?



You have your own Bible through Watchtower



That's why I showed you the meaning of arché

ORIGIN/SOURCE

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of ALL CREATION.

Meaning He is the Creator. John 1:3



SOURCES/ORIGIN of Creation




So what was the son doing when God was creating the Universe?



Jesus Himself is the Wisdom of God.

Which your gods can never attain.

Answer my question if you get mind

Gabrielshow24:
Wait, let's say we give you a benefit of a doubt🤔 that Jesus was created, how then did your god become an Eternal Father when his Son is apparently not Eternal🤕? Or don't you know that your Fatherhood is as old as your Son🤨?

Also, do you care to explain how your god, supposedly ’Love’, didn't have someone to love eternally? 🤨 Don't you think, you have made your god, a dependent being? What difference is this your god to Allah👀?

Do you also care to explain how God ’created’ before the existence of time? And if Jesus was ’created’ before time don't you think the word ’created’ is logically insufficient and unsuitable? It seems you don't have an handle on the exasperating farrago of absurdities you intentionally posit just to keep up this charade of a doctrine🤧.

Well, you can take a bold step and answer these questions or as usual, ’run away!’

Emusan:
Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Just because NWT already gooff you want to change the narration.

Ko le work...




Good! Which means His Son is the Creator.

Or what will you call His Son?



I've told you several times that I don't have the evil mind to edit God's word like Watchtower did to support their doctrine.

In fact, Heb 1:2 is one of the Bible verses that proved Jesus to be the Creator because Jesus was before THE UNIVERSE. So, all creatures fall within the creation of the universe.

Emusan:
So it's Moses that recorded that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth" not that God inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the Earth"

Genesis 1:1 is still very much alive in every version of the Bible and God who can't lie inspired Moses to write that, if anything was created before Heavens and the earth. God who can't would've inspired that.

Now turning the table around.

Are you saying God wasn't the one who inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"?

Emusan:
No translation has that, lying liar.

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

If you get mind, provide the screenshot from your darling Biblehub and other sources as you always do




Firstborn never equates FIRST CREATED

I challenge you to provide the screenshot as well