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DoctorAyukebot:
We celebrate our great grandmother's birthday every 3rd of June. She was born sometime in the 1920's without a birth certificate.. Let us know if we have been committing a sin so we can ask for forgiveness

did I tell you to or not to celebrate anybody's birthday? Is there a command for you to or not to do so? Why have you decided to mock yourself and the reasoning God gave you?

Funny enough from the olumide, to ashimolowo to kumuyi all are fake with their man made doctrines and Pharisetic messages

GanagiBitrus:
Majority of people who celebrate Christmas are actually not Christians in the true sense of the word.

All over the world, people use the occasion offered by the long holidays & the excitement of the approaching New Year to "enjoy" themselves with family & friends. They have nothing to do with Christ or Spirituality in their celebrations.

because Christmas is a pagan tradition obviously

Watch a typical holiday movie or hallmark original and it's the miracle of Christmas, the magic of Santa Claus, the donkeys sorry deers with magical antlers

Christmas or recently called Xmas is about Santa Claus and their fake sun god worship, that's how idolatry worship goes with mass fornication, revelry, drinking and the like. It's you who mistakenly think Jesus was born Dec 25 and there's supposed to be someone birthday celebration on a wrong date.


Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not Jesus X of Rome

Make a decision for Jesus today, the sooner a person who is sick and dying takes treatment the better.
But if you want to make a resolution because you are afraid you will die soon or that tomorrow might be too late don't bother your resolution won't last. Such fake fear might prompt you for a while but after many days you will be like you were before.

If you want Jesus, don't be afraid to die, like that guy Jesus promised paradise. If you must fear something, don't fear death nor tomorrow but fear God, the LORD God who is able to demand your soul and kill it at anytime.

If Joseph is the example, then I don't think everyone will face such temptation nor fall for it. Joseph wasn't tempted by a single young beautiful woman, but his boss's wife. He already saw his father's reaction to Reuben sleeping with his concubine.

The question is was there a man "tempted" or approached by a young single fine woman and he said no? Abraham, nope not him, Boaz, nope he went and married her, Judah, nope, Jacob well we know he didn't say no three times.


When Jesus said don't look at a woman lustfully he meant don't look at another man's wife, because in Hebrew the term for woman is the same for wife. Imagine if Jesus was saying don't desire any girl, is it men men should now desire?

Was there an attendance register 😏

What a bunch of misinformation and false title, "a child was born and was called God"


Is it the spirit of the false Christ who claims to be a god that made you not quote

Luke.1.31 - 32
You will become pregnant and have a son, and you are to name him Jesus. He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.


The child will be called son of God, son of the Most High and not called God like you misused Isaiah... Emmanuel isn't God's name, it is YHVH, Emmanuel means God with us, that doesn't make the person bearing the name a god or God, just like every one bearing the name el, like in Elijah or Elisha, God (so misquoting Isaiah 9:6 also)

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no rising from the dead without the dying into the dead.

And the dying/rising would not have washed our sins and save us if The Law had not provided for the sacrifice of the remission of sins.

is all this to contradict what I wrote and probably prove your point that Jesus dying was the specific reason he came?

Dtruthspeaker:
I knew his saying the word "specific reason" caught you but I did not know that you believed that Jesus did not come to die. Which explains why you agree with him.

Whereas, everything Jesus Taught, is exactly what the prophets taught also. So, if it is about teaching, then He need not come as, as He said in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, "we have the prophets", so one more Prophet is not of much value.

But if you remember that The Law demanded sin offering, because of The Law of sin and guilt, you would now understand that Christ's main purpose and aim for coming which was different from the other prophets was to die to save mankind.

A fact which Lawyer Paul, took the pains of explaining in detail in Hebrew from chapter 4 to 9 and in other letters but you obviously did not get it

bro the good news is not that Jesus died but that Jesus rose from the dead

1Cor.15.14 - And if Christ was not raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your trust in God is useless.

1Cor.15.17 And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless, and you are still under condemnation for your sins.

If you read all my responses and post you won't have said I agreed to what he said as if I agreed to all he said

Lol "you know the taste of your chicken" 😅 I think we know the culprit

essentialone:
Deeper Life members are now free to use TV and TikTok, says Pastor Kumuyi

What changed?

he has decided to "set them free" to use them, that's what changed

Don't know if they are free to watch non deeper life programmers

Emary:
The purpose of baptism is to bring the person, child or adult, into the family of Christ. It washes away the original sin of Adam which everyone is born with. This is the reason for infant baptism in the Catholic Church. As they grow, they are taught more about the faith. At the age of reason which is about 7 years, they get to go to confession and then partake in Holy Communion through which they are sanctified. Jesus made it clear that we are to confess our sins to one another and whatever would be forgiven on earth would be forgiven in heaven or vice versa. In Acts 10, Cornelius and his entire household were baptized. Jesus also tells us to suffer the children to come unto me. It's all biblical, though subject to interpretation.

Personally, it's all my early childhood indoctrination that carried me through until I actually built a better relationship with God.

Did you not read and learn from Jesus that water cannot wash away a person's defilement as it comes from within?

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see that he said that Jesus did not come to die?

"The idea that Jesus came specifically to die is a theological interpretation that developed later."

the purpose of Jesus coming can't be said that he came to die bro, but yeah he died but the death isn't the main point of his coming but part of the message of salvation in that Jesus rose from the dead which can't occur without him dying.

If you truly believe Jesus came to die then his didn't have to be born, nor grow up and teach, all he had to do was come and die and stay dead. This is what he wrote "The idea that Jesus came specifically to die... " which isn't the SPECIFIC REASON Jesus came.

Shey there's a church that celebrates his death every sunday, lol

Lol seeing a lot of blanks means some punks have come here to post, glad I don't need to view them.

The only thing I see off from what theawakensoul wrote is that Paul's theology formed Christianity, that would be incorrect seeing that he like the rest of the believers called themselves followers of the Way.

Anyway Jesus dying for sins wasn't a later theology, it was in scriptures before Jesus was born and even thought by Jesus himself, now I do agree that Jesus was murdered as even himself said so before his own death and that how it played out. So Jesus was murdered he didn't commit suicide.


I also absolutely agree that God never needed blood, and the blood of Jesus isn't for God but for sinners coming to repentance and the main reason is to purchase them from the devil. The wicked took his blood as the price to let "us" go. So we are set free and overcome first by that price paid on our behalf that the second death passes over us.

God so loved us that he sent us his son Jesus not for us to kill him but for us to believe in him, listen to him and obey him, even knowing that those who hate Him will kill his son He made even his death of value and rose him up after three days.

The blood of Jesus stands as a testimony against the devil that a man can live without sin and overcome his temptation, a symbol of his defeat bore evidence with the resurrection from the grave, from death above the powers of the wicked.

So everything and all worked out for our good. And that's why Jesus had to teach them from scriptures why the Messiah had to die and rise again.

Yes he was murdered Peter preached it, Paul preached it and those involved hated it, though they didn't preach that to condemn them but to celebrate the glory of God revealed through his resurrection, they failed to repent from their mistake and continued to persecute them.

So while I do agree with certain points in the OP I see no evidence from the involvement of Paul in said corruption of God's word

APOSTLECHUMA:
A RIGHTEOUS GOD WILL BE UNJUST TO SEND A CHILD TO HELL FOR SIN THAT ADAM AND EVE COMMITTED OVER 6000YERS AGO. JESUS CHRIST DIED AND TOOK AWAY THAT SIN AND GOD WILL NEVER SEND ANY ONE TO HELL FOR IT AS IT HAS BEEN WASHED AWAY. ANY ONE THAT WILL GO TO HELL AFTER THE WORK OF SALVATION AT CALVARY WILL DO SO FOR REJECTING GRACE, NOT BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN. THE KINGDOM OF GOD, CHRIST SAID, BELONGS TO CHILDREN AND THEY DONT GO TO HELL REGARDLESS OF HOW SINFUL THEIR PARENTS WERE. BECAUSE THAT SIN HAS BEEN WASHED AWAY. UNTIL A CHILD GETS TO THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY, WHERE THE CHILD CAN DIFFERENTIATE B/ W WRONG AND RIGHT, THAT CHILD WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HELL. CATHOLICS CLAIM THAT PETER WAS THE FIRST POPE BUT THE FIRST POPE WAS MARRIED AND HAD A FAMILY WHILE PRESENT DAY POPES AND PASTORS THEY CALL REV FATHERS TRAMPLE UPON GOD'S COMMANDMENT BY NOT GETTING MARRIED. THEIR FIRST POPE PLACED REPENTANCE BEFORE BAPTISM IN ACTS 2-38, JUST LIKE IN MARK 16-16 AND LUKE 24-47. BAPTISM IS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE GROWN UP TO THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY NOT ENFANTS. ENFANTS ARE TO BE DEDICATED JUST THE WAY IT WAS DONE TO CHRIST, NOT TO BE BAPTISED, THATS WHY WE HAVE CHILD DEDICATION. cfountainoftruth@yahoo.com

bro Jesus didn't die because of Adam's sin but for "our" sins, "our" being those who become or have been friends of Jesus, followers obedient to God's word.

immortalcrown:
You are confusing yourself.

First of all, it seems you do not believe in original sin. No adult has stopped committing sins after being baptised. Yes, baptism is meant to discourage sin. But baptism does not mean that sin has become impossible in the person's life. So, The main significance of baptism is cleansing of original sin. Baptism is a ritual that demonstrates belief. Those who believe in original sin accept infant baptism for babies.

the question I have now after following your wonderful convo is, do you or you guys believe that water baptism is for the removal of original sin which you translate to mean inherited sin?

Next question is, did Abel inherit the said sin?

Daniluv1:
Child water baptism is very wrong by not letting that child grow enough to decide if he or she wants to be baptized, baptizing should be a choice and not hereditary

I have been reading this from others not just you, "child baptism is wrong" let the child grow up, have we ever thought about CIRCUMCISION like or I will let my son grow up and decide if he wants to go through the painful process of circumcision.

I don't support deeping a child into water or sprinking but I do support a child receiving the Holy Spirit and circumcision of their hearts, make them prophesy while they are still sucklings.

But if we keep saying child water baptism is wrong because they are "too" young that's not a valid excuse sha.

If salvation is based on oh you must hear and understand the Gospel then many illiterates are in hear abi, I believe the must important thing or the first thing is one's heart and that why it's written we believe in our hearts, if a child or an illiterates heart is right with God then he who gives the Holy Spirit, who sees the heart and judges it can baptize and fill an infant with the Holy Spirit, it is a gift with age limit.

Alfred200825:
Is Child Dedication even Biblical?

Luke.2.23 The law of the Lord says, "If a woman's first child is a boy, he must be dedicated to the Lord." (NLT) bro Jesus was dedicated according to the law which is in the Bible

Zionmdde:
Ref: Roman's chapter 6

Now go ahead and give me references for child baptism

did you read the OP, if you did you won't ask me for "references"

Now Romans 6, from Rom.6.4 - 5
For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives. Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised as he was.

Now it does say we have resurrected, does it? Obviously not.

We died to sin, not physically died

Rom.6.6 - Our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.
Rom.6.7 - For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin.
Rom.6.8 - And since we died with Christ, we know we will also share his new life.

Now the baptism Paul teaches is not water baptism, which he himself did not practice. It is the baptism of the holy Spirit.

Acts.11.16 - Then I thought of the Lord's words when he said, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
Acts.11.17 - And since God gave these Gentiles the same gift he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to argue?"


1Cor.12.13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

BrosG007:
Whether it is right or wrong is not the issue here, the issue is what's does a child knows or what's his or her conventions, intentions - no perspectives or ideologies to warrant baptism?

This is just one of the flaws of religion....truth every new born are born atheist.....his or her religion or ideologies are derived from his or her surroundings or family of birth

"born atheists" abeg explain? Are you saying every new born was born believing their is no God?

MyExpression:
Is BAPTISM as a whole, right or wrong?

The first person to enter heaven after The death of Christ, wasn't baptised.

what if he was, and I don't mean water baptism?

Zionmdde:
What is you described is not baptism, baptism signifies death to sin, burial and resurrection in Christ. That's why you immerse the person in water (death) and raise him up (resurrection)

Now that process can only be valid with Roman's 10:9
And a baby cannot believe in Jesus nor confess his Lordship and therefore not qualified for salvation

signifies? More like symbolizes, because none actually occurs during the said baptism, neither does the person die nor do they resurrect to eternal life at water baptism

Djlast:
I believe a child's fate should not be decided by parenting.
Most parents end up destabilising their ward's potentials by personal choices. Let a child grow and choose

so how will a child grow without parenting

Nteogwuija:
A hired killer(a man) suddenly gave his life to Christ and then baptism clears him of the murders he committed, and then he goes to heaven when he dies.

Then those he killed, the ones who were "sinners", would rot in hell because they didn't have the chance the murderer had because the murderer cut short their lives.

Make this make sense to me, abeg.

they go to hell not because they were killed but for their own sins, so even if they were not killed they may just live longer and go there later abi.

Now is it better for say 10 people to go to hell or one less person to go?

Dtruthspeaker:
Before, the white bandits brought their writing down of laws, the Yorubas, ibos, Benins, Ijaws etc were already practicing all the laws you know today as Criminal Law, Law of contracts and upholding the rights of a child.

And no where have you seen a child younger than 7years being held criminally responsible.

And even from back then till tomorrow you would hear "leave am. Na pikin. When hin grow, hin go understand say dis things no good as you dey teach am".

And go and examine the Bible, no where did you see God or anyone put a child on trial.

From Genesis to revelations, they are all adults or young people. No child

true

manuelkel:
You don't receive salvation by being deeped into water, baptism is a segregation of Christian faith. It significance rests on the acceptance of Christian faith and not salvation. Every religious belief have a way of accepting such religious faith, accepting a religious faith like Christianity through baptism does not mean you already have achieved salvation.....

true

Lukuluku69:
He raised the dead? Good of him.

Now you are talking baptism of a child if I am correct, did he command you to such? If yes, then do it.

That's the right path.

water baptism(which is of John)? Or baptism of Jesus Christ?

Dtruthspeaker:
It is the guilty that are cast in prison, so what offences would a child be guilty of to be delivered to hel?

Even, ye ivu men acknowledge that a child under 7yrs is not criminally responsible. Child Rights Act/ Criminal Code

CRA was done in 2003, Criminal Code in 1916 so before then what happened? Were there no children?

Even thou Deut. 21 mentions stoning a rebellious child I doubt a 3yr old counts (I haven't seen a toddler be a drunkard)

Does the law of God have an age prohibition or exception because can't say children don't do wrong and seeing as the said laws doesn't excuse ignorance and it is still punishable

Lukuluku69:
Do what Jesus did. Follow his examples. If you do, you are on right path and not those of men.

So, search scriptures and see what Jesus did and commanded his disciples to do.

Chikena.

Jesus did a lot of things especially raising the dead, walking on water so which of them should you do and walk on the right path

Itu404 "man cannot attain righteousness" yet Noah was called righteous and Abraham attained it by his faith, what of Job and Daniel commended by God for being righteous?

WantsandMore:
That's not true, the wages of sin is death case in point, Samson died a painful death. To think that Samson birth was a divine revelation by an angel

he died because he loved the wrong woman