₦airaland Forum

AgentXxx:
We have agreement on some things just in case you are doubting. Yes, it is terrorism and attempt to murder people, it is not acceptable, they should be severely punished and jailed. Immigrants/Asylum seekers are not the cause of their problem.

Now let’s get back to the question. What should the government do to permanently resolve this? Or you think it would end with just jailing some thugs?

You really want a permanent solution? Close all air and sea borders but if you can’t there is no solution actually for as long as you have politicians running the country.

justwise:
I;m totally with you on this, i got no prob with Zahra's view on this but i have prob with the timing.

Let me also say this for a record, we need people that see things differently like Zahra and put it out without personal attack.

I think you were away then but you need to see how Oga Lexus was dragged like Shege on this thread because of the rent money is a dead money issue, it took days before people came to his rescue even missjekyll has been dragged for seeing things differently too and I can't remember anyone coming to her defence, unless we are beginning to have different rules here for other people—just an observation.

jedisco:
Thank you for this, I find it soul destroying when I see black folks take a guilty look when migration is discussed. Despite the fact that a miniscule number of Africans have ever left their abode, it's somehow made out that moving around is a privilege to us but a right to others

Like I said previously, the more I know about human history, the more unapologetic I become about migration. Reminds me of a chat I had with a white British folk at my workplace. Chap was trying to insinuate a grand plan to get people from Africa into the US. (I.e illegal migration). I told him that being British, he should more than everyone else know migration is as old as man. You don't like my presence, too bad, I don't care.

To Gerard who talked about deporting 2nd gen... like I asked, how far back do we go? Should Australia/U.S or Cad start deporting White folks back to Europe?

don't blame folks that much, It's the cheap propaganda that's always been pushed now and then to make folks lose their confidence and feel guilty for offences they will never commit. Just imagine all the bunkum stories of deprivation of communities we've been fed here as if we are the ones looting money in their govt treasury to deny them basic amenities. To them, immigrants are the ones committing crimes, the natives are all saints marching to heaven while asylum seekers, immigrant students, and workers are all sinners going to hell.

hustla:
My exact issue with them at the time and now.. Even Trump that has a large mouth largely classified and mentioned illegal immigrants, never attacked students or constantly ridiculed them in the media

Forking out thousands of pounds, shuffling school and work, taking care of their own elderly, paying taxes through the nose and all we get is insults in the media

O wrong naw!

The propagandists will soon be here to remind us why we no kuku stay naija say we force us come, omo I don tire at this stage, don’t even give a damn any longer. Am even ready if they wan chase everyone out. Bunch of hostile cowards!

You guys thought you’re doing the president and bullying the rest of the country na

Some people just want to use the hunger protest to settle scores. It was never about hunger

Goodenoch:
She has apologised and said she acted on 'false and malicious information' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jll3eg33wo
That's what every one of them says and to be fair it's likely true.

The biggest lesson I've learned from these riots is that the rhetoric around migration is often more important than the reality. It has been humbling for me because I see now that many of my previous positions were utterly wrong. I used to think I cared little about what nonsense the latest politician wanting to make their right-wing bones said as long as I was continuing to do great work and thrive in the country (for which I appreciate the country), but it's clear now that all that talk didn't end at the microphones, and it has now empowered ignoramuses to take up knives, acid, blocks etc to attack people like me at random.

The conservatives might have liberalized many migration routes, but their rhetoric around it was constantly villifying immigrants, and that has a much greater impact as we're seeing now.

They had all the opportunity to close down routes or make them stricter and people would simply not have come anymore if it wasn't suitable for them anymore. There's no human rights obligations to have skilled worker routes or lower threshholds for care workers and all the other things they did. They left those routes open because it was beneficial to the country, and would even sponsor British Council events abroad inviting people to come study/work in the country, but would turn arround and somehow find a way to link everything that went wrong under them to immigrants, legal or otherwise.

You have won my respect and am more humbled reading this. I recently visited a Caribbean country, and my views on many things too started changing. All I have learned in all of this is about humanity, if you fight humanity whether you're far right or far left humanity will fight back and resist you. Cheers

Samirana360:
Hope this protest will stop after 10th August

when they said days of rage, do you think they were joking? we warned but they said they had the right to protest!

missjekyll:
I see. Anyone who expresses an opinion should be ready to defend their position and take all the smoke associated with it. That goes for you too

Not a single one of those comments made a physical threat against her.

May I suggest that you take her aside (as her friend and supporter) and advice her that not every argument is good for "devil's advocate" .

I m typing this from my home/bunker where I m currently holed up in terror. Forgive me for my lack of patience with "devil's advocates".

I think you’re even the most smoked person here in recent times due to some historical stuff it was claimed you had stood on, no one even came out to defend you or say you could be harmed physically. May God forgive the hypocrisy on this thread. You’re even the only one I read trying to offer specialised support and advice on how folks who may have been impacted during this crisis can reach out and get help. Thank you so much for this. Cheers.

And for those who keep reminding us that it’s because we are here is the reason some people are deprived, I think it’s high time you guys realise that politicians are the same everywhere as they steal from the treasury and hold people down in poverty and lied to them on who to hold responsible if you can understand that better your views on matters like this will change and be more refined.

hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

I remember warning then that when it comes to immigration policies, there was no segmentation and that everyone was placed inside the same bucket whether you came via boat, plane, or through the forest. Good to hear from you again hustla, keep safe dear!

wonders

Nodogragra4me:
Dangote came into a business he had never been involved in with his own template from his cement business .. use government connections to muscle others out and be the all in all .....why did he reckon he was going to he both producer , distributor and retailer ?



What does he expect others to do with their facilities when he added gantry for trucks loading?


So all trucks in Nigeria should come to his lekki based depot for product or what ?


These guys wanted to patronised him ..they paid for his AGO which is substandard way and above the price he was selling to international buyers ..for each ton he was charging 50 dollar more than he was charging outsiders and somebody's says he is a good man that loves his country ...calculate and convert 15000 metric ton by 50 dollar and see the difference he is taking off vessels that comes to load from his facility

@ the bolded, no serious country will allow this.

DOM7:
the Yoruba IG will not hear you till thy kingdom come.

Sometimes people don’t get it. At least no one will accuse the lawmakers for not standing up for their people when the matter came up. That’s the goal

slimfit1:
This woman should go and apply to be foreign minister and stop this foolishness. It's shameful when you see people dying to go to UK even pastors don't want to go to heaven they rather go to the UK. They will pray for Visa ignore heaven.
Our country can be like UK if we can get rid of people like this woman.

Envy and bitterness ain’t good for your health

Nodogragra4me:
Someday you realize that on this very matter he was a saviour.


NNPC possibly reevaluated the refinery and discovered that it was overpriced at 20 billion dollars...... We have a list of world largest refineries, how much did it cost to construct those larger than his own?


So they decided that the government that ordered the purchase without due diligence have left office and Wale Tinubu had become co-owner of NNPC by reason of NNPC acquisition of his company, so it was time to take real business decisions not driven by primordial interest

That means Dangote was positioning this refinery to become the new subsidy collector

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SamueItem337:
Atletico Madrid offering 95m for Julian Alvarez
But Osimhen should be sold below 70m
Wonderful

You want the protest in Uk to increase? Take ya time o

Is this now part of the hunger protest?

agentarcher:
So many toxic people on this forum. Just because you can't benefit some something, you condemn it. The students receiving the 20k did not complain. School fees are taken care of. Extra 20k on top, their parents or legal guardians can easily add foodstuffs or something to support them. We need to remove hatred from our hearts. Some of the persons accusing Tinubu left and right are more evil than the devil. Some can't even manage their day-to-day life properly but think they are experts.

You Dey mind them? Tomorrow they will be asking what the FG has done to help the masses.

Honestly most Nigerians don’t understand what development is all about. Na only rice and garri dem sabi. Bunch of illiterates who claim they went to school

Darlingjay1:
All i see are the names of Hausas only

Because we southerners allow hate to becloud our sense of reason and cry about marginalisation later, now foolish southerners are rushing to apply while their northern counterparts have been cashing out. May we get sense one day

Those who want the military should go and form their own country, no be all of us don craze like that!

Kukutente23:
You claimed all those who got it are those who applied
I showed you the number given by NELFUND themselves and you're still here saying something else. Maybe you should ask NELFUND the criteria not me

You don’t believe in it so why bother.

Kukutente23:

You really believe only 20k students applied out of about 2million students?

Read and stop making empty conjectures https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/06/student-loan-successful-applicants-to-get-approvals-in-three-weeks-fg/

so those who got it didn't apply? Or what are you saying? will there not be criteria and requirements for approval to be given? If you don't understand the criteria then that's another conversation, you don't believe in it so what's the fuss

Kukutente23:
If your head is woven around politics that is your business. I'm speaking my mind how I see it.

I have not said anyone should not take it if they are interested. Besides, Nigeria has over 2million students in universities alone and the beneficiaries are just 20k. How those were selected I don't know but it is obvious majority students don't believe in the scheme

it's those who apply that got it, let those who believe apply and those who don't believe stay away for their sanity and sanity of the society.

Kukutente23:
How does that change the fact that it does not solve any problem

This reminds me of anchor borrowers scheme

Same folks who were hyping it are now blaming Buhari for everything wrong in the country

The double life of the agbadorian

you're playing politics where it's not necessary, the funds are for students and not for businessmen, whoever wants it should go ahead and apply, no be fight!

We4all:
Ask them.

it's you am asking, is JAMB a govt agency or not

Kukutente23:
The stress is that the loan is not worth it. It is basically for students who can't afford the fees right? Well, how does it make sense that you are giving them money that will not see them through the school and at the same time, expect them to pay back?

that's fine, allow those who want it to apply and those who don't want can stay away

We4all:
How can the government agency do their checks when they are the ones cheating the process? Did you think I was referring to the masses? And no, in most countries, public servants are not rogue, and are often held accountable for maladministration. So, don't try to justify nonsense.

so how come JAMB is doing well? or are they not a govt agency?

Kukutente23:
Are you aware it's a loan that's to be paid back? You make it sound as if they are giving them free money. What's the point of a loan that can't meet your expenses and you might need to borrow more.
Look at all those alerts, most of them had less than 1k before the 20k entered.

I hope you know it's not by force to apply for the loan too. Many have refused to apply so what's the stress

We4all:
Please, say something else. They do workers verification more often than not, but there are still thousands of ghost workers literred across ministries. These people always find a way to cheat the process.

people cheat systems and processes all over the world so it's no big deal, it's up to the govt agency involved to do their checks and balances like JAMB that can now easily detect fake JAMB results.

Brendaniel:
That's what I'm trying to let him know that whatever Tinubu is trying to achieve with this 20k payment is so small compared to the damage he has done, that the effort is looking almost insignificant.

In 2005 when I was in Unilag with my younger brother, if I'm sent 20k the money could last almost a month for the both of us taking care of all our needs, in fact the first time I was sent 30k it was almost like 300k value in my account, I was actually feeding a friend who was broke at the time for weeks from the same money after sharing with my brother ...

I'm not putting all the blame on Tinubu but he further compounded it in just less than a year...

I'm not saying 20k is too small or too big but I can tell you 20k in present day Nigeria isn't what it used to be in value before Tinubu came onboard...

You're right and I think this is very good feedback, perhaps going forward the 20k can be increased to cope with the present-day realities.

funny enough the president never asked anyone to pity him, remember in his own words he said he was ready to shoulder both assets and liabilities. I think many people for biased reasons don't listen to him too carefully.

We4all:
Of course there is. This is why fraud and kidnapping have become a thing of the past in Nigeria.

that's good to know