₦airaland Forum

safarigirl:
lol....well, let's hope the move doesn't materialise

Uzoho is sha playing well where he is, and we really can't say if the coach would have played him in the first team with or without Romero's move.

Time will tell sha

terzurum5:
A valid question for our candid considerations Sir. I think this is another area we need to deliberate on seriously and make recommendations to the appropriate quarters.

What can we do to improve on poor spectators in our stands during matches?
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TheGoodJoe:
Mikel Obi did not earn raving reviews because he did not play a flamboyant role but he was influential in Chelsea playing a vital role for the club. During that period, Chelsea was one of the most successful clubs in World football.

Due to his sacrifice for football, people may not be screaming his name but sure, Mikel Obi is one of the biggest icons of African football.

Tell them I said that.

Mujtahida:
Okay, let's wait till Mikel retires from football then cos Diouf and Amunike weren't contemporaries.
Meanwhile this Amunike/Mikel issue proves my point(I know they they don't play the same wing) Amunike has more individual quality but club wise Mikel achieved more.

Mujtahida:
They were not relegation candidates. They played only one season in the primera division throughout the time Rashidi was there. Basically he was playing for a division two club in Portugal.
Point is that those who look at the quality of a club before giving a player chance in the team would have used the fact that Rashidi was playing for a division two club to criticize his inclusion in the team not to talk of being our top nine. They will not see the fact that his scoring such goals in a wretched team shows his class, they will just close their minds and start reeling names of other players.

Mujtahida:
He! Comments here generally have been measured especially from the regulars. Hopeful, expectant but not boastful.
This is why I often intervene to correct wrong perceptions and once a person does that it's taken that the person is supporting the status quo. Let me give an example. A moniker was opposed to Martins. Said is no good for the team because he plays in China. I had to intervene to point out that Ighalo plays in China. I did so not necessarily because I support Martins but because his reasons for opposing Martins were not valid.

Take the current debate: I am well aware of the defencies of this team and I did say you are well within your place to question the performance of the players in their rights as players. But I will burst the myth that seeks to elevate the golden generation's club placements and performance over these current guys because the facts simply do not support such a view even if it's the romantic view held by most dreamy eyed Nigerians. Just yesterday I discovered setubal which Rashidi was playing for was a relegation team except one season throughout the four years he was there. Do I hate Rashidi? No but facts are facts.

So what you just said is hardly true about forumites being boastful is simply not true.

Icon79:
Is this really necessary?

Haba! Be gentle to the lady now


O pari o

Dannyxy:
oga, what do you want to hear on a Nigerian forum?

"That we will not come out of the group stage, because our players are very poor, we should not hope because our strikers are not banging goals every weekend"

Ahh some people tire me sef.. Be realistic bro, as long as we have qualified, every Nigerian has the right to beat their chest, on their own forum, the boys deserve our confidence, and we are confident in them, despite thier travails, we believe them... And if the "believe" in the team is paining you.. Then bro, you could just ignore..


Or what you want to hear is " we will get trashed, loose all our games, in fact, we would be the worst team in the tournament" I have said it, are you happy now?

Na wetin you wan hear be that on a Nigerian forum? Braaa nawa for you sef..

tbaba1234:
This is the thing, we have a good enough side to shock anyone. We will not be easy to beat. Even in the last WC, with a weaker squad, we were not easy to beat.

tbaba1234:
If you live in the realm of an Arsensl fan, you will understand the negativity that many fans seem to possess, always looking for someone to blame.

Most times, the criticisms are unfair.

Mujtahida:
So it's no longer about inspiration but the nationality of the person inspired . I should look for a Senegalese or German inspired by Mikel?

tbaba1234:
Iwobi had a bad first half, that was clear. Wilshere is playing a deeper role and is not in competition with Iwobi.

Iwobi has not been bad this season. I have seen games where Iwobi is one of the few Arsenal players doing anything of note. But i go online and see ridiculous comments. Sanchez has been far more atrocious but does not get as much stick.

Iwobi needs to convert his game play into goals and assists. Fans do not read stats on whoscored.com, all they see are goals and assists.

tbaba1234:
For Nigeria, it has not worked badly thus far.

You recognised here that there are other factors to success not just player club form. The incredible club form of Henry and Trezeguet could not be translated into success at the WC.

The costa rica team in Brazil was not much to write home about but they shocked bigger teams. A good coach works to the strengths of his available players. We see Nigeria has been more organised defensively in recent times and very willing to launch effective counters.

Mujtahida:
You have not listed any achievements. Just names and clubs. I laughed when someone said that Amokachi was acknowledged in the stadium at Everton. That's nothing because the white man does such things as a courtesy.theres no time Jay Jay goes to Eintracht frankfurt and he's no given standing ovation yet some will see that and think Jay Jay was a beast for frankfurt meanwhile my guy was not even a regular as such.



You are doing something deceptive here and I will point it out to you now: you look at this players across the span of their professional careers and compare them to the present crop and say they are super at club levels. Apart from Amokachi and Rashidi and Finidi, tell me where the 94 team players were in before 94(WC year like majority of this set are) i have pointed out that player for player the 94 set were better. But club wise abeg drop it. They are on the same level.

So you think Onyekuru will not be given legend treatment when twenty years time he goes to Belgium? Wasn't Kayode top scorer in Austria? It's a fiction this narrative you guys are pushing. And ultimately it's pointless because remove this current guys from the picture. Who do you want in the team in place of Vicmo, Mikel? Amunike is an inspiration. Is that it? So have you not read at least three players saying Mikel is their inspiration?
This comparisons are a waste of time. It's like comparing Rohr with Westerhof. It would turn out to be ridiculous because Rohr is just starting. All the facts on his performance are not yet in but all the facts on Westerhof are settled.

tbaba1234:
Nigerian players play different roles at club level and national team level. Mikel and Moses, who are more defensive players at club level, play more adventurous roles in the national team. Iheanacho has not always played the top 9 role for Nigeria even against Argentina. Shehu plays as a right back.etc

It is not always useful comparing club form to national team.

In 2002, Henry and Trezeguet were unstoppable at club level but could not bark in the world cup.

We just need the players in top physical and mental shape.

PROVERBZ:
Junior ajayi and stanley ohawuchi where amongst the top 5 best players in Egypt 10
Egypt's squad for the world cup is mostly Egyptian league based players

Many people(non nigerians) would argue that the Egyptian team is better Dan the super eagles .


How do we choose our players iwobi and iheanacho are not really good if u put sentiments apart just check arsenal page after most games iwobi plays and see the awful comments about him there

We have Ahmed musa who hasnt played a game for so longbut still makes our squad

we are busy clamouring for euro born players at their 6ixteens with no assurance that they would be great players and we avoid the home grown players doing well

my people before u start asking for solanke tomori or any oda players with Nigerians parents born in Europe that nobody knows about with no zeal or dream to play for the super eagles


Ask urself have u given the real Nigerians a fare shot??

Here Arabs voted for jnr ajayi against sadio mane and another Arab guy ask urself if it were iwobi if the results would still go in out favour

Mujtahida:
I meant everyword of the bolded. Please tell me what each of the players in that set achieved at club level. And tell me which one was could be mentioned in the same breath as Baggio, or Gullit, or van Basten or Hagi or George Weah.

kennysville:
So also is qualifying for the world cup......

Question is ... is it do-able? Answer is a resounding YES!!!

Mujtahida:
From the 90's till now is just 28 years. We are on track considering we don't even have the support of a good local league. Spain for all her glory clubs only got herself into football records in 2008-2012, England is to be pitied.
The issue for me is not a matter of set. The issue is why do we produce average players? During the time of the golden generation not more than two or three made names. If not for national team football most of them they were unknown. That's how average they were. Fact! Which one was mentioned with George Weah, with shearer, with Owen, with Gullit, with Stoichkov, with Hagi, with Baresi, with Raul? None.

safarigirl:
only Ighalo is certain to play a role in the team come June 2018? Are you joking? One goal Ighalo is the certain one?

How can any sane person take you seriously with such myopic reasoning? You keep missing the point and it is very sad

komekn:
Firstly, in your quest to prove biased undue dislike you muddle the issues moving the goal posts. You make a proposition but with no substance.

Consider your proposition in bold. Firstly, I will reiterate there is a HUGE GULF AND DISPARITY between U17 and U20.

U17 is characterised by players some even 15 who have never played a senior professional game. The dynamics are different they are academy players mostly showing promise. They are not professional players yet mostly.

The U20 set up is intrinsically and entirely different across Europe not just England. We are not looking at prospects but seasoned young professional players at top clubs. For instance consider Demarai Grey he has played 160 professional games with 60 of those games in the EPL. There are other with far less games a reflection of the top clubs they play at and limited opportunities.

When you win an accolade as a young professional player as best U20 world cup playersl, you are really being recognised professionally. It's gone beyond prospect and potential. That's why clubs were queuing up to buy him incredibly cheap as well.

I DO NOT DO DOUBLE STANDARDS that would be deception and unprofessionalism. There is one yardstick in England for all players it doesn't change because you are Nigerian. I will not say treat players with kids gloves. ITS VERY TOUGH the competition is nasty, it's not fair, it's even corrupt. I prepare players for the reality of football not adulation from the terraces. I prepare them for WAR so they can succeed and not fail. I don't give false promises or pain things with rose tinted spectacles so they can feel good.

If I was advising KC he would not be in the quagmire he is in now. He is an excellent player but I've seen many excellent players fail. Because of not taking constructive criticism the right positional strategy and believing the distractive misguided hype from fans like you.

It is unfortunate this have been the bane of Nigerian players, from the npfl players straight to the top. Their fans aren't helping matters.
They seem to have pigeon holed themselves into seeing things from a particular perspective.



You ABSOLUTELY have no idea about the spirit behind what propels me or the intention behind my words. I face 1000% more racism each day than you can imagine. I overcome because I'm prepared for battle.

In that regard succes comes to those who are diligent in discipline and pursuing excellence. Overcoming multiple obstacles fair and unfair. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Mujtahida:
You made the mistake earlier of replying to my post and opined that I misunderstood you. No. I was addressing forgiveness and komekn who seem(as I understand them) to posit that the 94 set were super players playing super football in super leagues. All my posts have been driven to counter that point and to show that that is simply false.

I don't think you have compared these guys with the 94 set. You have only critiqued them in their own right as players and that's okay by me. But please read the valid questions asked by realpoacher.

you know they were not scoring in their respective clubs while playing the qualifiers?

Tell me how many goals they scored at the qualifiers and friendly.

For now they play and score well in the GWG. If they stop scoring, only then we can complain

Another thing is, with the way you keep harping about them not performing at their club sides but perform well together as a unit.

Don't you think that Nigeria as a whole have a style of play?..just as we have the samba dance of Brazil?

Don't you think that when together, they play our style well and it produces results?

Must we play like the Europeans or The Americans?

Give it a rest already

Mujtahida:
Dear forumites: I respect 94 squad. Player for player they have more quality than the present crop. But in terms of clubs and leagues this present guys even seem to be better evenly placed with more regular game time.

Current SE squad of at least 29 players

1-Mikel Obi - Tiajin Teda, China(regular)
2-Ighalo - Changchun yatai, China (regular)
3- Simon Moses - Gent, Belgium (regular)
4- Onyekuru - Anderlecht, Belgium(regular)
5- Uche A- Standard Liege, Belgium(regular)
6-Shehu A- Famagusta, Cyprus (regular)
7-Ekong - Burasipor, Turkey(regular)
8-Agu - Burasipor, Turkey (regular)
9-Omeruo - Kasimpasa, Turkey(regular)
10-Balogun - Mainz, Germany (not too regular)
11-Awaziem - Nantes, France(regular)
12-Vicmo - Chelsea, EPL(regular)
13-Ndidi - Leicester City, EPL(over regular)
14-Iheanacho - Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
15-Musa- Leicester City, EPL (not regular at all)
16-Iwobi - Arsenal, EPL(fairly regular)
17-Ebuehi - Ado den haag, Holland(regular)
18-Aina-Hull city, English Championship (regular)
19-Etebo - Fierense, Portugal(fairly regular)
20-Ogu - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
21-Nwakaeme - Hapoel, Isreal (regular)
22-Idowu - Amkar Perm, Russia (regular)
23-Kayode - Girona, Spain (regular)
24-Echeijile - Sarvispor, Turkey(fairly regular)
Gk
25-Akpeyi- SA, Chippa U (regular)
26-Ezenwa - unattached
27-Uzoho - Deportivo B, Spain(regular)
28-Ajiboye - Plateau U, Nig (regular)
29-Alampasu - Fierense, Portugal (not regular)

Please compare this list above with the one of the 94 set attached below (significant year is 94)

Mujtahida:
I am not turning a blind eye. I am saying in spite of that what matters for the SE is that the goal return in the SE is healthy and I will hold that as a positive. Perhaps Martins will be brought in and everything will be just fine, I hope.

Mujtahida:
Are you sure your findings are correct because Onyekuru alone has scored more than five goals na and even yesterday some tried to make you see that the goal return of our attackers for the SE is very healthy. Let them be playing and be active. I am not trying to down play scoring of goals but it's the thing that players score goals leading to the WC and at the WC proper they get marked out.

chrisooblog:
I think you are being overly presumptuous that we could have won the world cup. Football is not mathematics where by if you beat mr A it doesn't necessarily mean you will defeat Mr B. Remember bulgaria that we defeated also beat Argentina so they are no guarantees we would have beaten them again.

Yes with hindsight we should have seen off the Italians but you make it sound as if the azzuri were completely rubbish. In my opinion it was tactical naivety and player irresponsibility (Okocha dribbling all over the place without purpose, oliseh's half hearted tackle that led to the Italians equalizer) that caused us that game not so much the loss of amunike and amokachii. After all they didn't do much before and after the goal.

I understand your concern that we go with the very best players that can represent us and the world cup and not sentimentally stick to who is not performing clubwise but who are the replacements?

Bro I know you want the best for the super eagles but don't allow too much skepticism to blind you to the potential of our team.

e our coach and players are not sacred cows that can't be criticized or questioned all some of us posters are saying is have a little faith at least our team deserves that much

Mujtahida:
These players know what is at stake. I say this because of the fact that for the first time in a long while we have a team with players jostling for positions even in that gk dept (its just that they don't inspire confidence). So none of the players will rest on their oars. A while ago we looked thin at the full back positions now we are feeling the pain knowing that some players in the full back positions might be dropped. I have watched rohr say that the team needs to improve constantly and he said this long before we got the WC ticket.

Apart from iheanacho, balogun and musa who are the players not playing regularly in their respective clubs? But the impression given by you was that we have a team of average players who are worse still warming the bench in their clubs. Mike, ighallo, vicmo, Moses Simon, iwobi, ogu, shehu, aina, ebuehi, onazi, ndidi, agu, ekong, omeruo, awaziem, etebo, nwakaeme and most if not all the fringe players play regularly for their clubs.

While I agree about the work thing, I'd rather not say they should START working hard but CONTINUE working hard.

Mujtahida:
Both the pro and anti iheanacho camps are not good for discourses on the young man. Some act like iheanacho came out of their skin. People expressing their biases whether negative or positive using the young man as their field. It's enough cos it ain't healthy no more. The discussions doesn't show iheanacho. It shows you guys. I see no iheanacho. Aĺl I see is unhealthy, sick debates.

Personally I am aĺl joy when our players perform so I do not understand how someone will rejoice over nacho's plight just to prove an argument. More so the young man is in the SE on his merit because despite his travails at club levels he tries his best when in the gwg. I have looked around to see who that player is that iheanacho is denying a chance in the SE yet I see none but you guys want rohr to drop him. Are you guys who reason like this being realistic and fair at aĺl. Worse are those whose opinion suggest he should not be there because solanke is in their opinion better than him. How ridiculous can that be.

And sir komekn. Once iheanacho and osimhen are mentioned you warm up and talk with alot of putdowns. I really don't understand it. Sometimes it looks so personal to me.

Mujtahida:
Amokachi was not tearing anything in Belgium. He joined super eagles while he was in ranchers bees of kaduna. He later went to Belgium. Siasia was warming the bench in Belgium. Kog45 has given a list of the club's the golden generation were playing in and they were all average players playing for average teams. Some were not even playing. They were permanent bench warmers. When i pointed it out to you the last time you said 2027 is not 94 but here you are hyping amokachi. You guys hammering on the fact that our team is average don't understand what a team is all about. Its the same mentality that gets Nigerians hooked to certificates. We need a team with a winning mentality. That's all that matters. The story of the rabbit (stellar player/team) and the tortoise (average player/team) comes to mind.