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forgiveness:
Ha! How come he won Caf young player of the year the same season if he doesn't have a record in the African scene that year?

Kelechi and so many others have won the CAF young player award without a single cap. It is the young player award after all.

Icon79:
Actually, the fans liked Kobe but the pundits despised him. They think he's arrogant and cocky, especially after the whole issues with Shaq. And it's the pundits and coaches who votes for MVPs. That's what cost Kobe .... big time.


O pari

KObe thinks he's not liked by pundits but the gospel truth is that the the numbers don't agree with him. Had a case in 2005 but Nash guiding a depleted Sun's team without Stoudemire to the Nba title was hard to ignore.

forgiveness:
Oh! I see. Obafemi Martins played for middle table in 2004/2005 season hence the award eluded him.

Martins had himself to blame. The delay in acceptance to play for for Nigeria had him without a record in the African scene.
I wonder why Ghanaians don't feel hated. After all, Asamoah Ghyan was listed as Ballon dor nominee while at Sunderland, yet he didn't win APOTY

forgiveness:
So, those two goals were enough to crown him?

Why is terrible West Brom problem if it is all about individual performance?

Did Yaya win player of the month and Manchester City player of the year?

Yaya Toure had a great season for Man city. His 10 goals from Midfield pushed Man city from a mid table team to the top 3. He crowned it all with an Fa cup whichhe basically handed over to city after 35yrs trophyless. . .

I dont know what youre trying to prove.

Its academic, if you want to be recognised in Africa, dont play for the likes of Wigan, Portsmouth or Westbrom. . . . Nobody will take you serious.

It is that simple

Jarus:
Gbam. Anywhere I go outside Nigeria, the last Nigerian players everyone talks about are Finidi, Yekini, Okocha etc, despite their retirement decades ago.

In Cape Town, an American guy asked if I was Kanu's brother, when he learnt I was Nigerian. I said yes, of course!
A lot of Nigerians have had doors opened a jar for them at the mention of the name Kanu, Okocha, Amunike etall

Jarus:
Tell me a year a Nigerian did better than the eventual winner.

And yes, I know some Africans, like Ghanaians, Kenyans and South Africans, dont really like Nigeria, but many other African countries literally idolize Nigerians.

I have met many Algerians, Moroçcans and Egyptians in countries like UAE and Saudi Arabia andthey never ceased to talk about Nigerian footballers. Some ofthem know Nigerian footballers more than Nigeria.

The conspiracy theory against Nigeria as accountable for not winning APOTY is a fallacy.

Nigeria has been producing just average players and a lot of bench warmers in the last 15 years. No way they could have won APOTY.

We haven't managed to produce any real Super star player since Kanu/Okocha. It wasn't out of place to see foreigners purchase Nigerian player Jersey or merchandise.
The closet we came to produce one was Martins. Unfortunately his ill advised move to Newcastle robbed him that. He would gave been better off at Valentia, forming a deadly partnership with David Villa, mata and Silva, but he followed the money to Newcastle instead.

forgiveness:
In 2010/2011 season, Odenwingie scored 15 goals with 9 assists and won EPL player of month two times, i say two times but he was not even considered for CAF award. Why? if it is not all about winning trophies but individual performance.


That same season Yaya Toure scored only 10 goals with just 7 assists yet he was crowned the best player in Africa, why?

To add salt to injury,the runner up Seydou Keita scored only 6 goals with 4 assists. what is the criteria used?

Adrew Ayew came 3rd and he managed to score 13 goals with 6 assists. Why was he nominated but Peter Odenwingie ignored?

I need cogent and precise explanation. Thanks

You forgot to mention the small matter that Yaya Toure scored a breathtaking goal in the FA cup semi finals to oust Manchester United and also scored in the final against Stoke for Manchester City to win their first ever trophy in 35years. He also scored double figures that season which helped Man city climb to the pinnacle of English football.
This is no small achievement for a midfielder.

Osaze's case wasn't helped with the fact he played for a terrible West Bromwich Albino team. Amir Zaki would have won the award in 2008 but he played for a modest wigan side....
I still can't find the anti Nigerian agenda here..

darkelf:
I don't mean to derail ooo. Steve Nash ws an excellent passer but he wasn't the best. You left out magic Johnson and Johnson stockton

Statistically, he was a better passer than Magic. Magic however edges him on the rebound which is understandable because Nash operated more on the outside.

BascoVanVeli:
Nash was a beast but he wasn't even better than Jason Kidd not to talk about Stockton, Magic and Isiah.

Nash was a different beast to Jason Kidd, Isiah and Stockton. His numbers are pretty much identical to Magic Johnson's.
Nash is a history maker. We are talking about the highest free throw percentage in NBA history. A historic member of the 50-40-90 club. Only 2 players managed to achieve this shooting record, Larry Bird being the the other player.
It is worth mentioning Nash hit this record 4 times while Larry Bird managed to get those numbers twice. With Nash in your team, it's a given at least 7 players will hit double figures. The Sun were rampaging in attack like that even with Amare Stoudemire out injured in 06.
Nash was simply something out of the ordinary.

Icon79:
Good. I am glad you're an NBA fan. Now can you tell me why/how Kobe Bryant only won ONE solitary league MVP when players like Steve Nash (who played during his era) won two league MVPs. Does that make sense to you? What am I trying to say? It becomes a popularity contest anytime you ask for voting in a team sports. This doesn't just only happen in NBA either. It happens in all team sports. Like Gerard Pique said, "If Ballon d'Or is given to the best player in the world, Messi would've been winning it since 2009".


O pari

Granted, Kobe was the defining player of his generation. As a matter of fact, the number 8 in my handle is actually dedicated to him. I'm a huge fan like that.
However, judging by stats and numbers , Kobe had players who outperformed him. I mean, we have to appreciate there were some great players who were also in their prime when Kobe reigned.

Steve Nash you mentioned, was hands down the greatest passing PG the game have ever witnessed. His assist numbers were absolutely crazy. The NBA will never see such a point guard in next 100 years.

Finally, the Mvp is never about popularity. If it was, LeBron should have won 7 straight Mvp in the last 7 years. If it was popularity, Kobe would have won tonnes of Mvps. He was the most popular player in his time. As a matter of fact, his popularity earned him All star nominations when things began to go South for him.
Kobe was unfortunate to play for a poor lakers team. The lakers have been trash since Mr Phill Jackson left.

Icon79:
Spoke in one accord, ke? Bruh, it was a popularity contest ... nothing more, nothing less. That's why we should stop putting too much stock in those individual awards in a team sports.

For instance, how many times did Kobe Bryant won the league MVP in the NBA? But every NBA fan can tell you that Kobe was the BEST player of his generation.


O pari

The bitter truth is that Delle Ali had a phenomenonal season, even Real Madrid took notice. If I was in a position to choose, I would have awarded him the league Mvp last season. That's me being honest.
It would take a dishonest person to question his place in the Premiership 11,last season.

As for the black Mamba, he was the greatest. His record is pristine. We are talking about someone who had the record all star Mvp award. He was the real definition of a champ.

Icon79:
Listen, I don't care who voted for whom. I watched a vast majority of the games myself. And it would take a suspension of disbelief to convince me that Dele Alli was better than Kevin DeBruyne last season. No one can tell me that Gary Cahill was better than Virgil Van Djik last season.


O pari

Just like you speak for yourself, hundreds of premiership players spoke in one accord.
Minority will have their say, majority will have their way and all that....

BascoVanVeli:
That makes no sense out of all the people u named only the CAF technical committee has anything to do with there CAF shortlist.

The list I rolled out encapsulates all the cadre of bodies who voted the team of the season, BBC Africa player of the year and the APOTY.
It's a full doze.

BascoVanVeli:
Everything u said just now is opinion based so who I'm I to take an action.

The Players Union, Journalists, national team captains/managers, CAF technical committee and millions of BBC listening public spoke thorough their votes.
It was never my opinion.

BascoVanVeli:
whatever dude, that's wat u said

You now resort to clutching at straws.
Moses didn't redefine football, he's not the best player at Chelsea, he's wasn't the best right back in London nor the Epl,he wasn't the best African footballer last season in Europe. Period

BascoVanVeli:
Then why did u bring it up? I never said people hatted him, u did.

You're just trying to make a storm in a tea cup

BascoVanVeli:
are u not the one who was just giving a speech about players hating him? If this theory is correct then Luis Suarez should have been the European player of the year the season he won the golden boot.

Costa's characterisation was just another angle to the story. Keane and Lukaku had more numbers than him.

BascoVanVeli:
If u can admit that players are sentimental it should not be a surprise to you that sentiments led to Walker being picked ahead of Moses.

Lukaku and Keane scored more goals than Costa. I guess sentiments didn't play much a role this time. The numbers speak for themselves.

Jarus:
More so, both Kane and Lukaku that made PFA 11 strike spot scored more goals than Costa.

Thanks for chipping this in. It totally escaped me.... The PFA gong is very authentic. Nothing beats being recognised by your peers in the industry.
The whole world can't be wrong at the same time.

Jarus:
Roma player of the season 16/17 = Salah
Dortmund player of the season 16/17 = Aubameyang

Liverpool player of the season 16/17 = Mane
Let Moses win best player in his team first before comparing with the guys.

I think Moses should consider it a privilege being in company of these guys.

BascoVanVeli:
Who is ur victim? I'm just letting u know that the dig was uncalled for, u say Costa was a star but he didn't make the PFA so go figure.

We can't keep crying Wolf when things don't go our way,not in a well justifiable case such as this anyway.

Diego Costa's 19 Premiership goals won 15 points for Chelsea in the season under review. Statistically, no player won more points for their team last season than Costa. This is pure gold if you ask me.
Diego Costa is not a well loved character. Players loathe him and his antics. Its academic the players themselves wouldn't give him their vote.

BascoVanVeli:
How can u even utter such? This is when keeping it real goes to far. How could u watch the season that just past and describe Victor Moses as just another functional component? His introduction into the lineup coincided with their run that changed football. If he wasn't a Nigerian international he would have easily made that list.

Please quit playing the victim's card. Senegal is a francophone country, yet a player from that country made the team of the season (as voted by the players themselves).

For clarity, Hazard, Kante and Diego Costa were the star dust of the Chelsea success last season. Moses weighted in with his contribution but he was never the tie breaker for the Chelsea team.

Icon79:
So Gary Cahill made the EPL team of the year? While Virgil van Djik didn't make it? And neither did Sergio Aguero, or Alexis Sanchez. While Harry Kane and Lukaku were included? And Dele Alli made it ahead of Kevin DeBryune??

Tells you everything you need to know.


O pari

If you noticed, this was the PFA team of the season. The players themselves voted for their peers who stood out during the season.
It doesn't get more authentic than this.

BascoVanVeli:
Oh yea brain fart, I think I was so angry that Moses didn't make the team that I forgot Mane was even on there, but wow guy u could have just told me he was instead of posting the thing like this wins u the argument. Being on the PFA is not water in a desert guys should have to prove themselves on the continent, I rate Victor Moses as the best performer in the continent. I don't see how somebody can win the biggest league trophy on earth and then come back and destroy the defending champions and still not get shortlisted. If those guys are so good how come between them they had no trophies last season.

Your comment was rhetoric. It appeared you wanted to argue that Mane didn't make the team of the season.

The bottom line is that, the 3 aforementioned players were the main stars (call it figure head or match winner's ) for their teams. While Moses was just another functional component in Chelsea's wheel of success.

BascoVanVeli:
So Mane was on the team of the season?

Knock yourself out.

PFA teams of the year
Premier League: David de Gea (Manchester United); Kyle Walker (Tottenham), David Luiz (Chelsea), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Danny Rose (Tottenham); Dele Alli (Tottenham), Eden Hazard (Chelsea), N’Golo Kanté (Chelsea), Sadio Mané (Liverpool); Harry Kane (Tottenham), Romelu Lukaku (Everton).

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/20/chelsea-tottenham-pfa-premier-league-team-of-the-year

Mujtahida:
I just noticed something watching Aina in the matches against Argentina and Algeria: he's very very casual. His body language doesn't speak intensity. I might be wrong but that's what I just observed.

I saw the goal Hull City conceded last week. Aina was the culprit. He didn't have the presence of mind to notice the attacker sneaking behind him. They lost 1:0

Kog45:
Truly but naija blood strong o but have you read comments like how Awaziem rendered Neymar useless, Oyekwuru finished Alves,Moses the best RWB in the world,Moses changed football.Those comments simply mean we need to promote our own but sometimes we don't need it when we want to get true picture of things.

Add Kelechi better than Mbappe.

BascoVanVeli:
That makes no sense, if it did we would still be colonized till day because we are living in the past. We have to admit our mistakes of the past not cover them up. I said he was the best right wing back so why are u dragging right back into this? Not every right back can play wing back.

Mane, Aubameyang and Salah made the team of the season in their leagues, Moses didn't. Who is living in the past by omitting a player who wasn't considered the best in his league?
Also, make no mistake about this, Right wing back is just a morden way to describe an overlapping full back.

BascoVanVeli:
I don't need any lectures on the past, pls let us not use history to stand in the way of common sense. BBC does not have a 3 man shortlist and even if they did who cares? Moses was not the best right back in London? maybe, but he was the best RWB in the world and I can say this in front of any oracle.

The past set's a precedent for the future. If he was the best right back in the world, he wouldn't have had problems making the Epl team of the season.

Icon4s:
How old is Tammy?

Just 19. He is still up and coming. Calling for his inclusion into the Super Eagles is because of his potential to grow into a top striker. And not that we have found a new Yekini.

The whole Swansea team has been poor of late. What of one of the Ayews that is there what gas he done of late?

Young players often have this kind of rough patches at a point in time in their careers. While some come out of it stronger some other do not recover.

Our own Alex Iwobi and Rashford also suffered such. Iheanacho and Success are currently experiencing that rough patch. Likewise Anthony Martial.

It is nothing new bro.

Oh please, let's not tell lies to defend the indefensible.

According to alot of analyst here, Tammy already had a shirt in the Super Eagles first 11. He was already better than Ighalo and Kelechi according to his fans here.
I can pull quotes of fantasy super eagles first 11 with Tammy as the top striker. I rather not, I wouldn't want to embarrass anyone.
To say he wasn't overrated is simply not true.

As a matter of fact, Tammy lead Swansea attack in the month of November when they managed just 4 shots on target. Kourt Zouma, the Stoke City centre back had more shots on target than a Tammy lead Swansea attack.
I know all about fledgling young players but this stat, is a damning verdit on the credibility of the player.

Joebie:
firstly, you cannot judge correctly if you are are hater.. You just have to say it as it..
Against Arsenal before he was called up to represent England, was that also a tap in. Oh yes he didn't score.. but wasn't that a clever assist?
Abi he didn't earn his England call up?

Modified
Oh and he's scored two tap-ins so far this season.. goals tally equals two.. kwantinue

He wasn't exactly lighting up the Premiership. If Nigeria wasn't in the picture, he wouldn't have received a call up.

Joebie:
Tammy has hit a rough patch..just say it as it is. When Tammy was on fire he was unplayable.
The boy will get back. it's normal with strikers. There was no hype about Tammy.

Unplayable ke? With those 2 tap in goals and zero assists ?