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truthman2012: @golpen

1. Which books revealed to the past prophets is the verse referring to? As I said before, in order to avoid lengthening this discussions, always don't leave room for suspense.

2. Native intelligence is not applicable to spiritual things as they are far beyong human imaginations. Can you imagine or feel how a witch siphones blood without a pipe? So you can not have my feelings if you are not in my spiritual condition.

There are two occasions when christians speak in tongues. When praying and when prophesying. The whole church can speak in tongues at the same time when praying. 1Cor. 14:27 is talking about when prayer has been stopped and suddenly some people begin to speak in tongues aloud, wanting to prophesy. It should be done orderly in order not to create confusion.

3. The NT is the spiritual fulfilment of the OT. The problems people had in the OT is what Jesus came to solve. The fault was in the way they were implementing the laws. Jesus came to summarize the so many laws they had into two: love your God with all your heart and love your neigbours, and with that all the laws are fulfiled.

I have told you individuals' opinions are not separated from the words of God and both are called the Scriptures. If in the Bible it is written '' And Samuel said....''. Is that God's word or Samuel's?

John 5:31 - Is talking about God testifying (bearing WITNESS) to Jesus Ministry and not Himself bearing His own WITNESS.

John 8:14 - Is talking about RECORDS not WITNESS. Records here means PROFILE. Jesus profile: where He came from and where He was going etc.

I notice all you are bringing up have been repeated severally by other people on this site, which I had attended to.

truthman2012: @ golpen

I don't have any confusions or problems in understanding the quran at all, especially the English translations. I bought a copy of the quran by Pickthall since 1980 or thereabout. I also read other translations on the net.

It is the muslims and the quran itself that create the impression that it cannot be perfectly understood in any other language but arabic. If so, what's the point translating it?

But what do you have to say to Sura 14:4 that gives an impression that Muhammad was sent ONLY to his FOLK, who could understand his message clearly?

Judek2: Who is this one
How can a person following an illiterate man who married an old woman,married about 13 women,then had sex with a kid,9 years old.He even married his sons wife. What kind of se.x freak is he was.He was a murderer and a thief, DAMNED. You can never defend him.Mohammad was such a weired man.

I guess you are loosing your temper on this. Trying to bully a lady is what I think is not sane enough. You may call the prophet (S A W) anything out of your share ignorance, but non-muslim scholars such as george bernard shaw (if you may well ask about their comments) have something to say high of him. Sane and well recognised elites and prolific writers such as napoleon hill, also talks about dat Muhammad (S A W) in his famous book, "think and grow rich" (the last section of chapter 9). So what the heck do I care about what rubbish you say out of frustration. I guess people like you have jst come on thread to tarnish the image of your fellow christians, acting as if the bible has taught you to bully your women. We know how most of your pastors, having brainwashed you, go ahead to have sex with the choir mistress and young ladies in church. Its not so surprising anyway, the songs of solomon and that of david is pornographic enough to corrupt your worlds.

Girl, i guess you better guide yourself cos Allah has misguided you. Allah is a dead stone in Kabba,and his messenger is dead and rotten in hell,cos he i'm sure a man like that can never enter heaven, even the illusive one of virgins,young boys and wine. .

How many wives has your husband?
Anyway,that doesent matter cos you will regenerate to a virgin when you die,and be among the 72 virgins to be given out to another man,or maybe you gonna have to watch your husband slаm 71 before it reaches your turn.

truthman2012: It is a popular saying among muslims that the Quran can only be truly and perfectly understood in arabic.

If those islamic scholars who transtated it to other languages did not get it right, what can be said of you people who are not as knowledgeable as they are. It means all of you are going about with wrong meaning of the Book in your head.

Why do you have to practice a religion you don't perfectly understand? The religion is not for you as non-Arabs.

Pickthall 14:4
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his FOLK, that he might make (the message) clear for them.......

The above says Muhammad was sent to the Arabs who can understand his message clearly. This might be the reason you interpret IQRA to mean read and recite.

Consider these confusions in the quran: Quran is a clear Arabic speech (Sura16:103). None knows its explanations save Allah. But MEN of understanding heed it (Sura 3:7).

1. If it is a CLEAR arabic speech, how come nobody knows its explanations? How clear?

2. If nobody knows its explanations except Allah, how do MEN of understanding heed it as they don't understand it? Are those MEN equal to Allah in knowledge?

3. Quran is made easy to understand (Sura 54:22). How is it made easy when it takes only Allah to understand it.

Yet you say there are no contradictions in the Quran. The problem is: how do you explain these contradictions as you don't understand the quran perfectly an a non-Arab?

You sure have a very good question, but like the yoruba adage says," he who asks a question, requests to get an answer.
Structure of the Qur'an; the holy Qur'an is a scripture revealed to the holy prophet Muhammad (S A W) to guide mankind to the righteous part. It consists of words of warnings, history, rules and regulations, predictions and so on. It is a book designed by almighty Allah to ensure it encompasses every aspect of life. In course of that, it requires grammatical instruments known as "words of great consciousness" I.e there are some words or speeches that are simple literarily, but have vast meanings, blending with various issues and situations.
Grammar; the Qur'an, being a revelation passed to the holy prophet (S A W), who was an illiterate, has the best of the arabic grammatical structure. A pagan poet at that time, once after converting to islam, confessed he coincidentally witnessed the revelations on several occasions and would go lonely into the caves to ponder on the strong grammatical devices that does not only go beyond the capacity of an illiterate, but also the reasoning of human.
Translation; you should agree with me that a language can only be best translated in that particular language alone. Translation into any other language can only be a mere trial, so this does not only apply to arabic. In arabic, which applies to every other human languages, a single word may have several meanings, hence confusion may arise in the sense. The english word 'set' has the highest number of different meanings of about over 600, you can imagine. And to further aid better understanding, several references are provided in most translated Qur'ans. The fiqh (books of further explanations), the hadith ( collection of the words of the holy prophet (S A W) and the sunnah ( the deeds of the prophet (S A W), are also there to help you out of your confusion.
Simple understanding; yes! The Qur'an is also designed by Allah in a way that is simply understandable. You don't need a moderator to make a rational thinking man understand the stories, the warnings and all. The only problem I think you may have is places whereby the speeches of high consciousness applies and those I have listed above are there to help you.
I would have loved to give you some quotations and some examples, but I'm typing dis from my phone, pls bear with me. You may make your own searches as regards to these I've said, but pls kindly be rational about it. God bless you.

mazaje: This is the islamic narrative, all the stories of the Koran were borrowed from the jews and the christians. . .What are the names of the companions of the propehts that memoried the koran?. . .The Koran as we know it was not even complied during the life time of the prophet meaning it was complied later, no one actually knows who wrote what and when. We just have a narrative that says the Koran was handed down from by an angle to Mohammed and that story has been going on amongst muslim circles for thousands of years unchallenged. Hope you know the bible was actrually like that until when people started challenging it then we actually knew that Moses did not write the first 5 books ascribed to him and that most of the authours of the bible are actually unknown.

The Koran has NEVER been reviewed and criticized academically like the bible. Any body that tries to criticize it is killed. The few muslim scholars that left Islam and tried to criticize the authourship of the Koran where killed. Example is Turan Dursun a Turkish islamic scholar and ex-mufti who was murdered in 1990 for questioning the authorship of the Koran and how it came about.

If the Koran was open to critical evaluation as the bible is, the idea of an infallible Koran would not even be an issue. But muslims will not allow that, any body that tries it will be killed or attacked. So critics just allow muslims to have a field day and enjoy propagating their baised stories uncontested.

thorpido: Muhammed was illiterate and those who wrote the quran were third parties too.You can claim he dictated to them but that still makes them third parties.We also know human error where you can dictate something to someone and he writes something different.
About the quran being beyond human mind,I'm sure if you will be honest with yourself there are other books written with contents beyond human reasoning.

I'm showing you that the criterion u use to fault the Bible or any other book also faults the Quran.