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Joagbaje:
It's not only Christ embassy that's a cult . Christianity is a cult.

Gbam. Afterall, the bible said we are complete in Him who's the head of all principalities.

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Liquid love is simply love that flows. Love that hasn't waxed cold. You don't have to make a big thing out of anything. You asked for the gospel of Jesus in a nutshell, I answered, Love, forgiveness and righteousness. Guess what you attacked? "Liquid Love", and you went on, rambling, spewing more hilarious lies, making a simpleton of yourself.

Remeber the old WOF thread, you said things as 'WoF building', 'WoF Piano' 'WoF music' and such other nonsense.

Really? CEC music ministry makes noise instead of wonderful melody to God?

You mean you can do better than Sinach, Frank Edwars, Samsong, Buchi, Sophia, Chris Shalom,Joe Praise, etc. See what your hate and bitterness is turning you into? These folks has blessed much more than you can imagine, but you just have to hate, didn't you?

Anyways, carry on with you writ. I'd be back when you get real.

WinsomeX:
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Very well, Gombs. I will accept it that you have responded to my question and queries alright.

At the risk of sounding repetitive, can you please tell me in a nutshell what the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ is? Of course, after you return from church.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is encapsulated in one thought, which is about JESUS and His liquid love (love that flows), forgiveness and righteousness.

The Bible records that God poured out His love upon all and this came through Christ Jesus. While we were yet sinners was when Christ came to die for us. He gave His life for the purpose of saving us, which is of no lesser value.

This means that Jesus and His vicarious death defined the value of a human being. He told us practically by His
sacrifice that we're worth His life. God loved and loves us same way He loves Jesus. He gave His life that I may have nothing of a lesser value so that I should have His life.



It’s about the liquid love of Christ; the ever-flowing love. He thought I was something, He thought I was valuable and He didn't even wait for me to act first, He just gave Himself for me. If God so loved me, that means I'm
special so I'm going to talk special, think special, live special and be special.


Jesus Christ, Son of the living God arose early in the morning on the third day like He said He would and He did this for me.

What a miracle just for my sake. Hallelujah!!!


It is about forgiveness. Do you understand forgiveness?

There is no forgiveness in religion. No other religion can offer forgiveness.

Jesus brought forgiveness. That's why the Bible tells us that through Christ comes forgiveness. The people of the world and religions go through thick and thin to get forgiveness and still yet they won't and can't obtain
it.

In the religions you've got to pay for your sins but Jesus gives forgiveness. Your good works cannot outweigh your bad works. No amount of pure water will purify impure water.

Christ was on the cross and with His liquid love He proved He could forgive. It wasn't a political love or forgiveness but real true forgiveness. He said

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

Having a record as though you've never sinned. There is forgiveness for all the little stupid things we do. God is not counting them against us.

The wonderful thing about receiving forgiveness from Christ is He gives you power to live above sin.

The message is also about His righteousness; the
rightness of God. The power to be always right. You don't know what is right until you meet God. God is the only one who can tell us what He accepts and rejects.

But to be able to stand before God blameless is the
rightness. God is too glorious. Jesus is too great.

There you have it. You may then ask, "I don't see wealth or health there"

Well, the good book says

I John 14:23 KJV

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Imagine, the monarch of the universe dwelling in you, will there be room for sickness and disease? Why then are many so? That's another day's gist.

Also,
Romans 5:17 KJV
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

We reign as kings, because we received Christ, all goodies come to us because we love Him as He did us.

Like Joagbaje will say, their is no things as prosperity gospel, the gospel is complete (wealth, health, joy, peace, victory, etc)

Ummm...take Kenny's advice and edit the thread's name.

WinsomeX:
Gombs, can you list out whatever grouse you have with this thread in a serial manner: 1,2,3,... and let's treat them one after the other. That way our readers can both understand us and there can be some order in the discussion.

I have stated why I believe your church is a cult. You could then state what and what in my discussion does not support this assertion.

Can we try that, please?

Oh! I Have already.

well

1. Pastor Chris is NOT our God/god in CEC.

2. Pastor Chris teaches against sin. ("Concept of Sin", "Anticipating Evil", "Sin, Forgiveness and Righteousness" etc I'd gladly mail you these messages if you want) Sin in the congregation is not a new thing to any Christian gathering, ask the Corinthians, or Galatians etc. In the gathering of saints (Job 1), Satan still came there, talk less of the gathering of belivers. Are you saying it's unique to CEC?

3.Fake miracles? You never cease to amaze me.

4. Hate and violence? Really? Let me write out our anthem for you

Believers’ LoveWorld, It’s a place, Where we share God’s love, Reaching out, With peace and love, Making plain God’s plan for all, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love;

Believers’ LoveWorld, Giving your life a meaning, All we know is a life of giving, Love is shared abroad, In our heart, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love;

Believers’ LoveWorld, we are one big family, you’re my sister, you’re my brother, There’s no difference, in our midst, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love;

infact, your thread is a well packed lie. But... I'm here to put you in check. I will be off for a long while, Communion service starts by 4pm, will be back by 9pm (not this this is the closing time o, before you use am as headline).

BLW is a nation, and as any nation, it is a large body of people united by common descent (Christ), history (Christ), culture (Christ), or language (You know na ) , inhabiting a particular state or territory (just that BLW has no borders, it is cut across territories by the Spirit of God.)

Pastor Chris is the president of the BLW nation. He leads us all in God's army as a general. He has leaders, to the smallest unit. I happento be a leader. As in any well trained army, we don't fall out of line, we rarely do, because we're trained. Well trained as highlighted in 2 Timothy 2:4 BBE

A fighting man, when he is with the army, keeps himself free from the business of this life so that he may be pleasing to him who has taken him into his army.

5 And if a man takes part in a competition he does not get the crown if he has not kept the rules.


We play by rules as enshrined in the bible.

You may not understand, but each ministry has its unique message from God, and each ministry is God's military base, except it is not bible based ministry.

If you want to call it a cult, fine.

stonecoldcafe:
Op I believe you. I will make my humble submission and bow out. I'm not here to argue or trade words with anyone.

Pastor Chris is a man I always admired. While I was still @ the university, I attended the fellowship but after a month or two I had to flee. Now this is very personal. No one annoyed me or said anything but I just felt deep in my heart I was not in the right place. Shortly afterwards I got admission to a better school with a better course and left.

I had good friends who remained there. They grew up the ranks and became leaders and pastors in the church. Now here is where it gets funny. I recall one of such people becoming really distant. I tried to fill the gap but NO WAY. It was not just me but other friends who noticed it. Even her siblings became worried.

This friend was like a fanatic n the person said things we couldn't understand "I'm a god haha! I am above you. You don't understand, I walk through walls. I'm invisible haha! (Burst into tongues) my pastor said ..."

You could not reason with this person on any wave length. I knew someone else who was GREATLY persecuted for choosing to marry a fellow believer from another church. I knew another person who was totally shunned by ALL. I'm talking close friends in CE leaders and pastors just because he said God has given him a mandate to open his own church.

By the way the above brother was a fanatic, Pastor Chris talking, jerry curl hair and all that yet all that didn't save him once he claimed God had called him.

I wonder why you will generalize alot of things as a lump. I Know of Pastors Pastor Chris ordanied to start their own ministry. I know those who left with the blessings of their pastor to start their own ministry.

The fact that a guy's own turned sour does not mean it is so in CEC. You may never know the full details, yet you concluded from afar. Well done o.

i make it a duty never to speak on things i have little or no details about. I, unlike my friend, the OP do not patronize nor entertain hear-says and gossips.

WinsomeX:
OTHERS

Other proof of the cultic nature of CEC is their violence and hate. There have been numerous occasions in which people have tried to investigate the church and have ended being beaten black and blue. A lady who supplied screen to their recently concluded ministers conference was beaten because she demanded to be paid for her services.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha

You should change your name to Linus.

As for hate , readers can just sit back and see the response of Christ Embassy members to this thread. How they very easily dodge issues and aim diatribes at the critic's personality or personal lives. When this is not sufficient, they then begin to rain down curses or resort to cheap spiritual blackmail.

Haba Drummaboy aka WinsomeX

you called an entire body of Christ (RCCG) brood of vipers, just because you don't share same ideas.
https://www.nairaland.com/1939255/bankruptcy-prosperity-gospel-exercise-biblical/7#27281244

You condemned someone to Hell, just because you don't agree with him.. is that not enough hate? Someone had to ask you to calm down, another said your bible discussions had turned you to something else.

You, ---, occupy the latter in all these statements. You are not a Christian, you are a liar. You are not hearing the Holy Spirit, you are hearing demons. Your eternal destination is not heaven but hell. You are a son of perdition. Those who listen to you do so at great peril to their souls.

should I go on? Seems you're confused in totality?

CEC members all talk like Pastor Chris; they dress like him; they copy his gesticulations and style. They seek to be like Chris Oyakhilome and not Christ.

cool lies
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I understand that CEC members read mostly Oyakhilome publications. If they would read anything else, it must be from the error of other Word of Faith preachers.

why not? I should read James Randi shey? I am actually reading the "Power of Seed" (something like that) by Oral Roberts.

Members marry only members.

Not true. However, it is advisable to marry from within, to avoid clash of doctrines. For example, a lady in Winners marrying a catholic, she may be stopped from cell meetings, tithing, givings in church etc. Which church would advice against marrying from within? or encourage going outside?

There is a perversive demand for money in the church, to the extent that member "sow" all their possessions and money to church. It is not uncommon to find members begging people for money to give for offering. Recently, the church began demanding money for New Year morning services. Stories of people defrauding their companies to give to church abound in the dailies. The atrocities are endless.

See lies na!
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The biggest proof of the cult of CEC is the freedom they deny their members. Members cannot critique Oyakhilome. If you do, the threat of a curse is issued. There is a bondage to fit the "successful mold" - the impression that you have made it, so members have no qualms selling all they have so as to give to the endless demand for "pledges".

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Meeehn!

Conclusion.

It was difficult for me to conclude that CEC is a cult but having read Walter Martins, I couldn't help but do so. Christ Embassy members claim to win souls for Christ but the truth is that they are making these people twice the son of hell that they really are. This is a desperate call to our youths in this church to leave it and find some other bible church to go to.

I will stop here for now.

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[quote author=WinsomeX post=32353088]WHY CHRIST EMBASSY IS A CULT

From my perspective, an organization can be said to be a cult from what it teaches and it's lifestyle.

You've almost always have/had a wrong perspective. Your definition of cult above is sorely wrong. I believe a nice chap here has corrected you, not like you'd heed correction though.

We have seen that the essential teaching of CEC is WoF. While WoF is clearly false a wholesome doctrine, I hesitate to describe all churches teaching Word Faith as cults because they emphasize certain truths that still keeps them "safe". Example, many of these churches believe in Christ's deity. They encourage a heart submission to Christ's Lordship and encourage holy living. These minimums still keeps them from going overboard. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of Christ Embassy.

i almost choked with laughter from the above bold.

The following are a quick shot at why CEC is today a cult.

1. Chris Oyakhilome is their god.

While discussing cult organizations, Walter Martins made it clear that cult organization usually refer to a man or woman as their sole authority, not the bible. For Jehovah Witnesses it was Charles Taze Russell . For Christian Science it is Mary Eddy Baker. For Mormons it is Joseph Smith . And for Christ Embassy, it is Chris Oyakhilome. We only need to see how these other cult organization equate the literatures of their founders to the bible, and in many cases, subordinating scriptures to the words of their founders, to agree with me. That's the tragedy of literatures like Rhapsody of Realities, etc, in the CEC.

1. You lie, as always. Pastor Chris is not my god, he however, is my father in the Lord, and the bible clearly asked me to copy/imitate...let me just quote it for you

1 Corinthians 11:1 New Living Translation
And you should imitate me, just as I imitate Christ.

1 corinth 4:15 New Living Translation
For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you.

In CE and many other churches, we do not worship our pastors, we simply love them as our fathers in the Lord, Pastor Chris taught me the word, I follow him as he follows Christ. Shikena

[s]Chris Oyakhilome is effectively the prophet and god of the Christ Embassy cult. His members consider him infallible and the anointed one, their Christ. I am told by an old member of nl that Joagbaje, a leading CE member on nl, used to refer to Chris Oyakhilome as "Pastor Christ", instead of Pastor Chris, as he fondly called by his followers. This example, and many others like it, point to the cultism that CEC church has become. [/s]

Truck load of baloney. You now subscirbe to old wives tales?

2. Sin in the Congregation.

A leading Christ Embassy follower on this forum, mbaemeka, once commented that a brother once left CEC bc he was tired of the immorality going on in their midst. He says that the brother eventually "fell" into a worse sin where he went to. The point he was trying to make was that sin is of men's heart and not environment. The point he passed across unknowingly was that sexual immorality was the order of the day in the cult of Chris Oyakhilome.

See how silly you sound? let me throw an igbo adage to you. "No be every body wey go market go there to buy something". If a particular folk(s) indulge in a particular sinful act, does it mean the whole is/are? If I join another church and succeeded in seducing like 5 girls to my bed, does it now mean that church has sexual immorality as the order of the day?

Ever heard of the mixed multitude? Go study your bible, your problem is that you claim to know but know not. The mixed multitude were the ones who caused problems in the old church, and that was why God has always kept the Isrealites from other folks, who only come in to introduce one form of pollution to another.

But this is why we pray for the church of God, for the brethren and their faith, that they maybe be able to stand the wiles of the devil, to be strengthened with might by God's Spirit in their inner man. If you noticed a wrong or ill in a church, you get on your kneels and intercede, not write a myopic conclusion.

There is no greater proof of this than the widely reported divorce case BTW Chris and his wife, Anita. Anita had stated in her appeal for divorce in a British court that her husband was known to have "inappropriate relations" with ladies in church. Those in the know refer this to the endless line of lady pastor that live in the "White House", Oyakhilome residence, in Lagos. Chris has live apart from his wife since 1999 when she left to start the UK Branch of their church. Pastor Chris might require us to believe he has been celibate since then.

Ehen, how far the divorce case na? Remember all your postulations and courts and bla bla bla? You out rightly accused him of adultery based on media reports and blogs. Do you know how terrible the damage you did to yourself is? You've never been to the "White House", you don't kow how many gates are there, not how many buildings, nor how many quarters for foreign delagates, etc. You, simply as any blogger who'd want to drive traffic, lied. 1999?...
quit been high on gossips and hear says na! And what is wrong in celibacy? Catholic priests are (Most of them), why can't Pastor Chris? You should not assume your libido is same as all other males.

A study of Walter Martins work on cults reveals that the leader is usually a sex maniac. Who has unreserved access to ladies in church. They normally have failed marriages.

*falls of chair...laughing

Sexual immorality is the order of the day among CEC members. They revel in it. My investigations reveal that married people are even known to date other people's wives and husbands in church.

You should have an Oscar award for lying.
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3. Fake Miracles:

Like the Christian Science cult, the CEC is also known for its fake miracles. Thanks to the painstaking work of our own SirJohn here on nairaland, Chris Oyakhilome is now known as a fake miracle worker, with his healing school, a place where the sick and the gullible are reaped off of their resources without getting healed. The story of Kenya28 help seal the fake miracles story of CEC and the more recently discovered case of a man whom Joagbaje claimed to heal of HIV but who was never healed.

You're really going down by the day. I will keep praying for you.

WinsomeX:
www.servantofmessiah.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/08/Kingdom-of-the-Cults-by-Walter-Martin.pdf

www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents

THE CULTIC CONNECTION IN THE WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT

The first of the two links provided above is a PDF download link to a book written by Dr Walter Martins on cult organizations in Christendom. Dr Martin, died 1989, was considered an authority in cult organizations. Thanks to his research and work, organizations like the Jehovah Witnesses, Christian Science and Mormons, are now known as cults among church people. The book also discusses other cult organizations. This edition however composed of some addition to what Dr Martins had written. It has a section in the Appendix that discusses the Word of Faith movement, page 479. Everything that was written in that appendix was simply a confirmation of what trustman, DrummaBoy and BabaGnoni had discussed in a thread on Word of Faith. Find the thread above. The conclusion was that the Word of Faith had cultic influences, even if it cannot be called a strict cult. In my submission next, I wish to argue that the Christ Embassy Church, while teaching WoF, has finally crossed over to being a cult organization and that people need to beware of this.

Skipped for obvious reasons.

I refer my readers to the two documents above for a thorough study into Word of Faith and other cults. But I will simply just do a summary on the cultic connection in Word of Faith.

yeah... i like this part a lot more

The teachings of Word of Faith can be summarised in the followings, as gleaned from the Kingdom of Cults, page 479:

1. Faith in faith.

2. Confessing to Possessing.

3. The Sin of Suffering

4. Wealth (The Wheel of Fortune).

5. Health and Healing.

...and much more... But, what exactly is wrong with any of the above? Of course people take anything to extremes, but labelling them wrong all together is the greater evil.

You may refer to the above links for a thorough understanding into these[b] five essential false doctrines of the WoF. [/b] But here I shall conclude on what exactly is the gospel of Jesus Christ and why the WOF is not Christ gospel.

We've been through this all, but i am willing to take you on, perhaps we may have a detailed discussion here.

THE GOSPEL

The gospel of Jesus Christ is not health and wealth. Regardless of how the Word Faith enthusiasts spin scriptures, Jesus did not die so that we all could be healthy and wealthy.

would it be convenient to say, judging from your post that Jesus failed and lied to us when he said ALL power has been given unto us, and therefore asked us to heal the sick and cast out devils? i was studying last week and came upon a scripture, not that i havent seen it before, but... it gave me a whole new perspective of what Jesus did for Christians.

Hebrews 2 NIV
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—

15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants .

17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.



oh! I said "Lord God, thank you for what you did for me, I wish I can tell all the world this". The good book just told us Jesus broke the powers of he who had the power of death and free all those who's been in bondage of fear of death. Sickness and diseases, poverty etc are not of God, they put alot of folks under bondage, and subsequently fear of death.

Every disease is incipient death, and look, the bible said Jesus did this for descendants of Abraham ONLY (Born Again). Why did the writer have to be specific about the recipients of this work by Christ?

This is why Jesus came to the world and why he died:

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

This statement portrays partly why He came. You should know that by now na. See Jesus' purpose here, written by the disciple Jesus loved the most.

1 John 3:8 KJV
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. [size=18pt]For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [/size]

Saving folks from sin by giving His life was a part, delivering them to their inheritance is another. That's was why He rose, God rose Him from the dead to prove Jesus is His son with power. His resurrection gave birth to the new creation, who is not subject to the rules of this world, including sickness and poverty. Why? Because the life of God is what the new creation has, it is called Zoe - the God kind of life ie eternal life.

Sickness, disease and poverty and all form of negativities are not from God, for if they were, we all ought to do God's will, and if sickness and poverty are His will for us, we might as well strive to be sick and/or poor.

Jesus came to die to save men from sin. The message of this season, Easter. Nothing more.

Well, it is not fitly alright to end it thus, as you did. Jesus came to destroy the works of Satan, the machinations and structures Satan has ruled the world of men with. Jesus came to give much more. Some folks say Jesus came to restore the glory Adam lost, but that's not true. Jesus brought us a higher form of it. We're the Church of Jesus Christ, and the Lord Jesus has given us His glory: "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one" (John 17:22).

Saying Jesus came to save men from sin only (As you said "Nothing More" is erroneous. He save us from sin on the cross, that's what His death did, but what about His resurrection? That's the message of Easter, His resurrection power and the new creation.

The bad news of humanity is that all men are born sinners. God then set in an initiative to save men. He came to the world as Christ and died for men's sins. The reason was because God is a righteous judge and will judge sin. When Christ died, God judged the sin of the world on him. So that whoever believes in Christ can have his sins judged and taken and away on the cross.

Be ni

The consequence is two folds: Christians will not suffer God's judgement and Christian possess power over sin to live holy. Thus, we may not be able to say you are going to heaven but we sure can see the fruit of your life, holiness, without which no man shall see God.

HA! Ogbeni

God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, FAR above all principalities and powers. Why did you omit this part?

We were all under a brutal rulership of Satan, God sent Jesus to deliver us from sin and bring us up to His rest- His glorious inheritance to the saints (Abraham's promises). That's the way it was with us before Christ came. We were like children; we were in bondage/slaves to the elements (basic spiritual principles) of this world.

WoF miss the point of the gospel when they say that in addition to redemption from sin, the cross has secured health and wealth for Christians.

but it did. A quick question bro, explain this to me as you would to a 5 year old.

3 John 1:2 Living Bible (TLB)

2 Dear friend, I am praying that all is well with you and that your body is as healthy as I know your soul is.

The easiest answer to this position is that in Christ we see holiness and heavenliness; however Jesus suffered poverty

https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical#27289013

Maybe you need to refresh your memory sir.
"The truth is that in no way did Jesus live a "destitute, inferior, indigent, needy, impoverished, feeble, pitiful, lacking, insufficient" life. Those terms are all used in defining the meaning of the word "poor." "

and identified with the sick in Matthew 25, saying "when I was sick..."; shall we say Jesus was not of God for being poor and [size=28pt]sick[/size]?

Jesus was sick too? Tired? yes, but sick? cc:Alwaystrue, Bidam come and see o

In the long run, WoF ceases to teach holiness and heavenliness. Rather their emphasis are health, wealth, success, promotion, motivation, etc.

your opinion, gladly, it doesn't matter.

These discussions have become important because a large section of prophesing Christians are now WoF enthusiasts.

Hab 2:14 King James Bible
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

it's a prophecy amigo!

^^
You want to ruin this thread with long expositions, like your other threads?

Put one, we discuss, then another... That way, the thead can be extensive and topics utterly discussed.


I still dey church.

^^

Sure Buddy. I'd use a laptop for this thread.

Today is a Good Day! May the joy of His resurrection fill your home this Easter and beyond. Happy Easter from all of us at Christ Embassy.

vfactor:
Going by your definition of a cult in the 3rd post, it would mean that 90% of the churches in Nigeria are all cults. Cos they worship their founders (those who call their GO daddy and hold unto his words more than the bible), perform fake miracles and condone sin. They re also violent (verbally) when confronted with questions about their beliefs.


By d dictionary definition the above doesn't define a cult. Oxford dictionary defines a cult as a small group of people who have EXTREME RELIGIOUS BELIEFS and are not part of any ESTABLISHED RELIGION.

Going by this definition by an authority such as the Oxford Dictionary, the religious groups u mentioned above (Christ Embassy, Jehovah's witnesses) cannot be said to be a cult. For they claim to be christians and as far I know do not have extreme religious beliefs. (Especially the witnesses). I feel if any of those religious organisations should sue you for libel, u'd pay heavily. Get you facts right!!

Ah! You've already started nailing my old friend. I see you've noticed how he gets his stories upside down to suit his insatiable obsession to paint CE black.

Wait let me get time after service today and get him straightened.

Winsomex aka Drummaboy, hope you can see how this thread will end? I already do

We Worship The Risen Christ - Sunday, April 5th . 

Pastor Chris 

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth (Exodus 20:4). 

The Bible tells us how fiery serpents invaded the camp of the children of Israel, hurting and killing many of them in the process (Numbers 21:7-9). Moses, the man of God, prayed for mercy, and the Lord instructed him to make a serpent of brass and set it upon a pole. If anyone who had been bitten looked upon the brazen serpent, he would be healed. 

Over the years, some people have had problems understanding this scriptural passage, particularly because of the Lord's instruction in our opening verse. The following verse however explains that the instruction was against graven images made for worship. "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me" (Exodus 20:5). 

God never asked the children of Israel to worship the brazen serpent; He only told them to look at it. He gave Abraham a similar instruction when He told him to look at the stars; He didn't tell him to worship them. The serpent was symbolic; it typified sin that was nailed on the cross. "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:14-15). 

In the New Testament, we don't look at a graven image, but at Christ: "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" (Hebrews 12:2). Today, He's no longer on the cross; He's risen and has ascended to heaven. The risen Christ is the One we worship; He alone is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and the Lord of lords who deserves our worship! 

Prayer...
Dear Father, thank you for the work of salvation that was consummated in Christ Jesus. He alone is the hope of earth and the joy of heaven, the object of my deepest affection and Saviour of my soul. To Him be all my praise and worship, forever. Amen.

Further Study:
1 Timothy 6:13-16
I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. ;

Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 

Daily Scripture Reading 

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 10:25-42,Joshua 23-24

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 27:38-44, Leviticus 5

Gombs

Just saw this. It's a good read, and I'm not through, but I gotta sleep bro.

Tomorrow is a good day to tackle your points, assuming you made any.

Cc:
Mbaemeka,kenny4lyf, nlmediator,image123

You Too Can Prophesy! - Saturday, April 4th . 

Pastor Chris 

Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy (1 Corinthians 14:1). 

The gift of prophecy isn't just for pastors, prophets, evangelists and apostles; it's for the Church! Every Christian ought to prophesy. Moses, in the Old Testament understood the power and importance of prophecy and wished that all of God's children prophesied (Numbers 11:29). 

However, if you're born again and have received the Holy Spirit, you've received the divine enablement and the inspiration to prophesy. To prophesy is to speak forth the Word of God in power, whether by foretelling future events, or as a word of power to cause a change in the now! 

The Bible says, "...he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church" (1 Corinthians 14:3-4). When you declare the mind of God in prophecy, others are edified, strengthened, and comforted. So you see, prophecy doesn't make one a "spiritual detective" to fish out brethren who are supposedly not living right; it's for the edification of the Body of Christ. This is why you must desire to prophesy, for the words you speak forth in prophecy will build fellow believers. 

Moreover, with the gift of prophecy, you can chart your course in perpetual victory and triumph. You can prophesy your way out of any trouble. Ezekiel was brought before a valley of dry bones where the Lord asked him, "Can these bones live?" That was an impossible situation, but the Lord said to him, "Prophesy to these bones". As soon as Ezekiel complied, a great miracle took place; the bones came together, every bone to its bone (Ezekiel 37:7). 

This lets you know what God expects: that you prophesy your way out of any negative situation. Don't let the challenges you face drown your faith; prophesy your health, success, prosperity and victory. Perhaps you were told it's only one of your kidneys that's working right; or that one of your lungs has failed; refuse to be dismayed; don't panic. Prophesy! Through prophecy, the dead one, like those "dry bones", will come back alive! Halleluiah! 

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for your word of power that's in my heart, and in mouth even now! I'm moving forward by the power of the Holy Spirit, making progress with giant strides, and waxing stronger every day, in health, prosperity, and success, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: ; 

1 Thessalonians 5:20
Despise not prophesyings. ; 

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Daily Scripture Reading 

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 10:1-24,Joshua 20-22

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 27:26-37, Leviticus 4

macof:
hello Gombs
How can I help you?

Yeah.. Thanks. I want you to tell me if you believe in miracles?

Alexk2:
Understanding_The_Death_Of_Jesus_Christ.

One way to understand the meaning of the death of Jesus is to imagine a courtroom scene in which we are on trial for our sins and God is the judge. Our sins against God are capital crimes. God Himself is our judge, and according to divine law our crimes deserve the death penalty. Death, in a spiritual sense, means eternal separation from God in unending torment. That's a very serious judgment. By shedding His blood on the cross, Jesus took the punishment we deserve and offered us His righteousness. When we trust Christ for our salvation, essentially we are making a trade. By faith, we trade our sin and its accompanying death penalty for His righteousness and life.

This is the central message of the cross and the reason for our hope: God forsook His Son so that He might never forsake us. God assures us, "'I will never desert you, nor will I ever forsake you" ( Hebrews 13:5). Isn't that a wonderful promise?

I find it difficult to assimilate the above claim, mostly because of the semantics.

You said we were 'essentially were making a trade'

With what exactly? Bible said we were useless to God, yet He sent Jesus to pay for our sin, when we get born again, what we essentially did was to identify with Him, and consequently to do His bidding.

In all, nice write up

Hello macof.

Salvation Through His Blood - Friday, April 3rd . 

Pastor Chris 

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace (Ephesians 1:7). 

The blood of Jesus was shed for us, first, for the remission of sins, and secondly, that we may have life. His blood was divine, and through Him, not only have we obtained remission of sins, we've also received justification for the life that He's given to us. Our salvation came from His blood. That's why it was possible for us to be born again. Christ has been sacrificed for us, and in Him, we're given a new life; a life that's superior to Satan, death, hell, and the grave. 

There's no destruction for the child of God! God told the children of Israel, "When I see the blood, I will pass over you, and you'll be shielded from the destroyer..." (Exodus 12:13). It doesn't matter in what way the destroyer tries to attack you, whether he comes to attack you with poverty, sickness, disease or infirmity of any kind, you're shielded; he'll not come into your house! You've passed from death unto life. 

See, and appreciate your real value in the price that God paid for your salvation! You're worth the blood of Jesus Christ. You've become one with God, not because of what you did, but because of what Jesus did. The old religious thinking that God is so great while we're nothing before Him, is a lie of the devil. If you were nothing, He wouldn't pay for your salvation with the blood of Jesus Christ. The price He paid to save you shows how valuable you are: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold...But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Peter 1:18-19). 

Prayer...
Dear Lord, thank you for the precious blood of your Son, Jesus Christ. Having been justified by His blood, eternal life is mine. His blood, which was poured out for remission of sins gives me the right to a life of glory, peace, and dominion. I celebrate my treasured salvation, consummated by the blood of Christ, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. ; 

1 Peter 1:18-19
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Daily Scripture Reading 

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 9:37-62,Joshua 16-19

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 27:11-25, Leviticus 3

Keky:
Restitution is a confirmation of salvation,

Wrong. No biblical proof, just mere assumptions.

it breaks the power of sin over that guys life.

Very wrong again. Believing in Jesus' sacrifice for one is enough. Actually more than enough to break the power of sin.

Ephesians 2:5 KJV
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

It will help to clear his conscience,

Not necessarily. For example, what if he killed for a living? How does he restitute? If he can't, are you saying he won't have a clear conscience? And hence, the power of sin is not broken?

Col 1:21-22 KJV
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

cos if his conscience is not clear with Man and God (Acts 24:16), the power of sin is still over his life and it [b]won't give him right standing before God.

Wrong again. Righteousness was imputed to us the moment we got born again. We did, and can do nothing to earn it on our own. One's conscience is based on what he's taught about right and wrong.

For example, if a child is trained to kill all thieves, the moment he grows up to be a man, and finds a thief, and doesn't kill him, his conscience will prick him, for not
"Doing the right thing"

Our Conscience must be clear before we go to God, and if its not clear, the devil will keep accusing the guy.

The devil accuses all believers. He is the accuser of the brethren. Remember, Jesus said, come to me all ye that are heavy laden, an I will give you rest".

Mathew 5:23-24, Proverbs 6:30-31. The most important thing is to have a clear conscience. His own case is not a case of restitution I think, he cheated and he should ask for forgiveness, since he didn't impersonate or steal someone else result, he should ask for mercy. But Brother in any other case, RESTITUTION is a must.

Your opinion does not and cannot and will not supersede that ofbhe Bible. You evidently cannot show me where it is compulsory in the Bible.

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Wow.

Powered From Within - Thursday, April 2nd . 

Pastor Chris 

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you...(Acts 1:8 ). 

As a new creation in Christ Jesus, inherent in you is the dynamic ability to cause changes. This power became resident in you upon receiving the Holy Spirit; it doesn't need to be replenished by any outside force. We see this in the life of Jesus. Throughout His earthly ministry, He never once prayed to the Father to grant Him power; He was powered from within by the Holy Spirit! The same goes for us today. 

The power of God is in your spirit; you received this power into you when you received the Holy Spirit. When Jesus said you shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you, He meant inherent power - "dunamis" (Greek). What He actually said was, "And you shall receive "dunamis" (inherent power) after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". What is "dunamis?" 

It's where the English gets the word "dynamo"; an electric generator. It converts mechanical power to electrical power, which causes further mechanical activity, continuing the circle. So when Jesus said, "You shall receive dunamis", He meant that you'd receive inherent power that never runs dry, when you receive the Holy Spirit. You don't need to pray to God for more power. Some Christians pray, "O God, give me more power". That's unscriptural. He already gave you all the power you require. He expects you to use that power to make your life glorious. 

After receiving the Holy Spirit, and all through His three years of earthly ministry, the Lord Jesus never once prayed to God for more power. He functioned in this inherent power. You can put this power to work anywhere, anytime, to change anything and bring forth prosperity, health, solutions and new ideas! 2 Corinthians 4:7 says, "...we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us". There's power in you for a daily life of triumph, limitless possibilities, and unparalleled advantages. 

CONFESSION 

I'm full of God's might! I function by His power and glory today, full of the Spirit in wisdom, having spiritual understanding of all things! I'm powered by the Holy Ghost and on a perpetual victory parade, excelling and making progress consistently! I receive unparalleled advantages, unprecedented favour and prosperity, in Jesus' Name. Amen. 

Further Study:
Colossians 1:29
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. ; 

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. ; 

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. 

Daily Scripture Reading 

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 9:18-36,Joshua 13-15

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 27:1-10, Leviticus 2

Wow... Thieves will be like!

vooks:
His posts were full of anger, he grew increasingly daring....that's how he appeared to me

oh my!
I knew he was on overrdrive, but.... well, frosbel, show here.

Keky:
Restitution is a must

edify me please

vooks:
I have no idea, I suppose he imploded

finally?

9 months don waka...


Talk is cheap. So, if God's depending on you lot, na so una go fall him hand abi?

vooks:
My broda,
They teach that spirit,is just 'breath',life activating 'force','energy' that just ceases upon death. Am taking this battle to their doorstep. Supposing there is no soul/spirit and at death you cease to exist, your memories,emotions save your body,which also with time disintegrates into the elements. Supposing they are right.

What does that make of their resurrection but a recreation of beings that had NOTHING to do with the 'original' you?
God recreates men only to destroy them in hell over things they never did! How do you punish a brand new creature over sins committed thousands of years ago by a man who lived,died,ceased to exist, a man you have never met and here Jehovah is accusing you of his sins?

Where frosbel dey sef?

Wow!

Takes front seat. Cease to exist? I thought the real man is a spirit? Do spirits cease to exist?

Edify Yourself! - Tuesday, March 31st

Pastor Chris

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself...(1 Corinthians 14:4).

As a Christian, when you speak in tongues, you edify yourself; that means you "embolden" yourself. This is the antidote for timidity and fear! It’s something you can, and should do for yourself from time to time; building your spirit strong by speaking in tongues. It’ll transform you automatically from being a weak, fearful person, to a bold, confident, and courageous person!

The Bible says, "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind" (2 Timothy 1:7). Thanks be unto God, for giving us the key to maintaining boldness and dominion at all times, even in the face of staggering oppositions, through speaking in tongues.

If it ever looks as though fear is creeping into your heart, or you’re feeling nervous about something, speak in tongues! As you do, your faith will rise, and fear will dissipate. Jude 1:20 says, "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost."

There’re times you might experience difficulty in remembering things; speak in tongues. The reason is that your spirit doesn’t forget anything; the information is in your spirit, so when you stir your spirit, the answer will pop up!

Don’t take speaking in tongues lightly, for it produces divine energy that repels fear, and confounds the enemy. It emboldens you and imparts courage to your spirit. It produces in you, a sense of mastery and dominion over adversities; it’s a "spirit-to-Spirit" communication that energizes you from within. Practise speaking in tongues regularly; it’s the fastest way to activate your spirit, and energize yourself for victory.

Confession...
I’m full of the Holy Ghost! And as I speak in tongues today, I’m edified, and my spirit is conditioned to receive guidance and light from the Lord! I’m strengthened and fortified to do the things of God, and exercise dominion over circumstances, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

further study:
1 Corinthians 14:14-15;
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: : Joshua 7-9 Luke 8:40-56
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: : Matthew 26:57-68 Exodus 40

Living in the Supernatural- Monday, March 30th

Pastor Chris 

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

In Christ Jesus, we have the transcendent life; a life of glory, virtue, and excellence. It's a daily experience of the miraculous, and walk in the supernatural. Jesus proved that this is possible. When He walked the earth, He was one hundred per cent man and one hundred per cent God. He manifested the divine life, and the supernatural was His daily walk. 

As Christians, we're partakers of His divine nature (2 Peter 1:4); as He is, so are we in this world (1 John 4:17). Therefore, like Him, we're called to live perpetually in the supernatural, through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Paul said in Colossians 1:29, "Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily". There's an ability working in you, and that ability is supernatural! That means your physical ability should no longer dictate or determine how much you can do; no limitations for you anymore! 

Recall how Samson defeated one thousand trained soldiers of war with the jawbone of an ass. The Spirit of God came on him, and he was divinely enabled for the supernatural. With us, it's even better, because the Holy Spirit lives in us. That means our potentials are limitless. 

The Bible says, "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God" (2 Corinthians 3:5). God's supernatural ability is at work in you to enable you to achieve results that can't be humanly explained.

Take advantage of the divine ability that's at work in you; 2 Corinthians 4:7 says, "But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us". We actually don't have any excuse but to live triumphantly every day! Jesus did everything that was required for us to live in the supernatural, every day!

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for making me a champion and a victor forever! My spirit, soul, and body are under the dominion of your Word, and the influence of your Spirit! Your righteousness is unveiled through me today; I manifest the Christ-life, reigning and ruling over circumstances, in Jesus' Name. Amen. 

FURTHER STUDY: 
1 John 4:17 
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. ;

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

DAILY SCRIPTURE READING:
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 
Luke 8:22-39,Joshua 5-6.

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: 
Matthew 26:47-56, Exodus 39.