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Gombs, I suggest you travel overseas.

Go to Europe and see how churches are run,

outside the charismatic set-up that is. Even orthodox churches in Nigeria are better run. They make public thier financial dealings. Among charismatics, it is a one man show. Every thing goes to the HQ while other churches are starved of funds. They in turn put pressure on their brethren for funds. Reason why you rarely find a CE church that owns its own buildings.

There is nothing bad if the church makes public how much it receives and how it is spent. They give targets upon targets but you rarely know how much it receieves and how the money is spent. This is very wrong, very wrong.

As for me, I do not trust the church leadership in Lagos, especially with the allegation of infidelity and corruption.

So I have decided not to give a kobo to the HQ. I support my local church. I partner with my local church, but not a dime goes to the Chris gang.

Marchman:
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]I am shocked you actually said this. Shocked.

So the church does not have an obligation to members who donate to it!

This is a slave mentality.

After a while, the slave gets use to his obnoxious environment and actually defend his masters. May God help Nigerian christians if such mentality is prevalent.

Marchman:
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Too many reasons. The church is too secretive and not accountable in the least. Such info should be a common knowledge, but lai lai.

To ask question is perceived as sin. Oyakhilome, not the bible, is the orthodoxy. Sad.

sportsmaster:
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You dont pay attention to details.
Mark16:16-17...
1cor14:2..he that speaketh in tongue speaks nt unto men bt unto God..(is this in ur bible?)
1cor14:4-"he that speaks in tongue edifies himself,he that prophesies edifies the church(is this in ur bible?)"
1cor14:26.."when we are gathered together,every one has a psalm,doctrine,tongue,revelation,intepretation"
1cor14:39-"wherefore brethen,covet to prophesy and FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES".
SELAH

vooks:
My broda,
There is nothing 'personal' about academic feats you affix to your other designations for all and sundry. Just name the college, dissertation, publication and we will move on. Or simply plead ignorance.

We could aks Joagbaje.

PS: am not even a believer, am a satanist working against the body of Christ

PastorKun:
I just went through your useless link, it lists oyaks as one of his proteges. That does not in anyway mean oyaks was a pastor under Idahosa it only suggests that he mentored oyaks in setting up his shameful business.

PastorKun:
Liar oyaks was never under Idahosa(another fraudulent and discredited preacher). Oyaks started his church business whilst he was a student at ekpoma. In his words that makes him a spiritual vagabond.

McSterling:
I'll take this to mean you don't know too.

McSterling:
So, where did Chris get his PhD from? I used to think he got it from Oral Roberts University, but I guess I'm wrong.

Marchman:
You mean there's no one that knows? This is really interesting. Why should I ask Google or send a question to the Ce websit? What's secretive about a degree? Adeboye's academic records are public knowledge. Same for Oyedepo. The PhD doesn't even validate Pat Chris for he's a gifted preache. But where and when did he get the damn degree from? Its not out of place to scrutinise our religious leaders. Its in fact godly to probe them. If he had claimed to be a doctor I wouldn't have mins d cos it could be honorary doctorate degree but a PhD is a different matte. So where did he get it from?

PastorKun:
Hmmmmmn so who was pastor chris under before he became a pastor talkless of being a G.O?

WinsomeX:
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While at it, please point out the false doctrine in the epistles to the Corinthians. I couldn't find one, in case you did.

sammied:
So the examples of Rick Joyner and Reinhard Bonke I gave is not enough for you? You didn't read it?

Now I remember that I was warned about you people always avoiding the truths earlier even when it there for you to see.

Oyakhilome is not my Pastor, I don't go to CE. I AM A LOVER OF EVERYONE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.

One thing is certain you don't have that right, neither Winsomex.

sammied:
The corinthians church subscribe to false doctrines. Go and read extensively on it. Was that enough reason for Paul to label the whole body a Cult?

It seems you people don't even know what you're saying self.


https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/08/letters-to-the-church-1-corinthians/

vooks:
Great rant,
Now refute Winsomex with sense minus emotions

Kenny4lyfe:
Lolzzz....
WoF Guitar nko?

vooks:
Will it make Winsomex allegations false if I told you what I have done?

How convenient it is for you both to avoid the ISSUES raised on this thread but rather attack the messenger.

Now you are so intent on knowing what I'm building so you can attack that one too.

The thread will continue here and you can at the least attack that one since it is here for you to see.

Also lest anyone come to play the victim: this thread never began with an attack on Chris;

rather my focus was to analyse his work for which I conclude it is a cult.

If the best defence that Chris' followers can do is to avoid the matters raised and attack me, it is all good and well. It goes with the package of BUILDING a thread like this one.

And the thread will be BUILT.

vooks:
Sammied, Winsomex,Gombs,
The fact that tearing down is easier than building don't make building better.
You can apply the same set of arguments to any religion say Islam. Do you know how many lives have been lost, how many man hours have been burnt in crafting Islam and here you are calling it false? Now replace Islam with Mormons.

Every religious system does not materialize from thin air, it arises from convictions and immense resources applied in propagating those convictions all over. Neither the convictions,adherents nor resources make it right.

A question nobody has ever answered me here is, who has what it takes to rebuke Oyaks?

achinaboy:
if ur explanation of miracle is based on what u see on video,just forget it,,me I believe in miracle because miracle happens in our everyday life,

This is certainly might be my last post on this thread.

Yes! Eternity will reveal what we do for the Lord. But then... Here on earth, the Lord Jesus said we should let our light shine so much that men may see our GOOD WORKS and glorify our fathers which is in heaven. On that note, we should STOP using the excuse of Eternity to hide our inability to build while good at tearing down.

I didn't use big church, money, etc as references, I use bible examples.
If you're a master builder like Paul, what have you built? Are we waiting till Eternity to know what Paul built?

The question still no one has answer: if you're good at tearing down, what have you built?

We didn't wait till Eternity to see and hear what the men in the Bible built.

You keep ignoring my references to the corinthians church. Absolutely consciously being ignored.

Lastly, it is far more easy to tear down than to build. It's a very common and easy ministry.

Remain Blessed.

ifeness:
Which of the gods are you believing in?