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WinsomeX:
So did you see "debate" in that response I made to Kenny? You took up issues with what I've been saying until you left or better still, fled.

The things I'm saying here are basically information provision. You are free to counter them if you like. What I would not get into is endless responses to one issue while derailing the thread. That's what I mean by debates.

BTW, I thought you said you left? Well, is it not Gombs?

WinsomeX:
You promised to take me up on the issues I'm discussing but save for Gombs who has fled now, none of you have been able to take up the challenge.

Never mind. The thread is progressing just fine.

vooks:
Gombs,
I had mentioned as much in another thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2241721/pastor-chris-oyakilome-allegedly-bans/4#32469216

But please note this negro insisted that she was in South Africa over Easter


Defending the truth with lies is not exactly wisdom

Grendel:
remind me the title of this movie please

Bawss1:
Lol, is that gif Clive Davis from The Wire?

Good morning Gombs,

There is nothing wrong with what Pastor Chris wrote up there. It is Word of Faith, alright.

I hope to continue analysis on cult psychology. This thread is really not meant for debates. Like the others I have worked on, it is to warn people. You could either take a warning or not take it.

The thread will also help those coming out of the cult thinking of WoF. It would help you when God eventually liberates you from that sect you glory in today.

Keep Your Body In Health - Tuesday, April 7th . 

Pastor Chris 

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you (Luke 10:19). 

As a child of God, your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 6:19), which means your body isn't yours; it's owned by God. However, you're the one to keep watch over your body and keep it in health. You're the one to exercise authority over your body, keeping it free of sickness, disease and infirmity. 

The words of Jesus in our opening verse should let you know that you're not ordinary; you have the right to tell your body how it should feel. Tell your body what to do, and it'll respond. Jesus said in Mark 11:23 that you shall have what you say. If you've been struggling with an addiction, declare with boldness, "I'm not going to let anything dominate me. I keep my body in subjection to the Word of God!" Don't permit in your body anything that's not consistent with the Word of God for your life; take charge and rule over your body with the Word of God. 

When you perceive the symptoms of sickness in your body, reject them for they only become real when you say they are. Your words aren't empty; what you say comes to pass; therefore, talk to your body always, and keep it in health. Don't say, "I have a growth in my stomach and it's hurting so bad. The doctor says it's cancer". Don't talk about the growth; talk to it instead! Tell it to die and pass out from your body. Tell the pain to cease, and tell your body to function rightly in line with the life of Christ that's in your spirit. 

Christ literally lives in you! He dwells in your spirit and expresses Himself through your physical body. Your consciousness of this reality makes it easier for you to exercise dominion over your body against sickness, disease, and infirmity. 

Confession...
The Spirit of God vitalizes every fibre of my being! The God-life in me destroys sickness, disease and infirmities! I'm healthy and strong! Only the life and nature of Christ - His beauty and glory - are manifested in my physical body, because He perambulates in me, through the Holy Spirit. Halleluiah!

Further Study:
Romans 8:10-13
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Daily Scripture Reading 

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 11:14-36,Judges 3-4

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 27:55-66, Leviticus 7

trustman:
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Now you're doing exactly what you accuse him of - paint him black!

But do you hero-worship your pastor chris?
Do you apply 1 Corinthians 3:21 to him? If so how?

Thank you nannymcphee for the contribution.

I had stated somewhere that I will hesitate to call Pentecostal churches that teach WoF cults bc I can vouch that a lot of them, to some extent still preach the basic tenets of scripture that can secure the eternal home of a soul.

Unfortunately I cannot say this of CEC. I believe that church has tilted into the realm of a full blown cult and thus the need for a thread like this one.

The similarities with other churches you pointed out is those churches tethering to the cliff end and themselves entering the cult realm. One other church that is clearly a cult is the Synagogue of all Nation - T B Joshua. Unfortunately CEC have love, respect and adoration for this man.

What other evidence is left on the shelf?

I will continue in other posts with chapter of Dr Martin book as he speaks on cults vocabulary.

WinsomeX:
Appendix 4 or 5 of Kingdom of the Cults have done justice the issue of why the religion of Mohammed is a cult. Pls consult that manual.

Judaism is not a cult. It is the religion of the Jews. And if properly taught and believed should lead them to the Saviour.

With this I hope you don't derail this thread any further. If you cannot defend why CEC should not be called a cult, you may sit back, read and learn a few things.

damosky12:
Sir, like Gombs earlier said: if you are so concerned about a erring church, get on your knees and pray for them that their eyes be opened. I also think you should be reading materials that is connected to the gospel of Jesus instead of that one confusing you now.Its only on the basis of the word that you can prove sth to be error."that ye may be able to prove"Rom 12:2

WinsomeX:
Yes.

Incidentally, the book also listed Islam in appendix..

I don't know your point in asking but Christians are already on guard against Islam. Its churches like yours that need to be warned against bc yours is the subtle deceiver. Islam is not.

WinsomeX:
Before I answer your question, note the bold. Now to your question:



Dr Martins is sound because he was a Christian whose persuasion came from orthodox Christianity: Reformed theology. He was well taught with four degrees, ultimately earning a PHD in theology. He was sound because he could clearly distinguish BTW what was Christian and what was cultic, this the book.

As for tithing and spiritual gifts, the recent book reviewer had himself said on minor issues, he disagreed with Walter. Example eschatology. And that those who worked on the recent edition Also were not agreed on all points of doctrine. You might find an antitither among them then.

Until you can show me where Walter taught that not tithing is cultic, you will have to make do with the topic of discuss and stop digressing from the issues on ground.

WinsomeX:
I could you wish you would heed your own advice and stay on topic. The topic on discuss here is CEC bring a cult, not tithes or cessationism. There are hundreds of threads on tithes, you can post this there and mention me, I may oblige you.

WinsomeX:
It was the introductory statement on the sect. You can download the book and read the rest yourself.

vooks:
Is WOF cultic?
Please make a point of examining the sources shared by Winsomex. Appendix B titled the Word Faith Movement paragraph 4.

The reason I asked about marriages is because that is the hallmark of cults; exclusivism. They are the only custodians of truth and outside is just ignorance and deception.

I don't know of ANY pentecostal church that frowns upon members marrying other pentecostals and it came as a surprise that CEC actively discourages that bro.

I find it decidedly convenient that you keep on throwing examples of Catholicism and JW,obvious sectarian organizations. Catholics derives their doctrine/authority from Scriptures AND Tradition;JW from their own translation of scriptures AND Watchtower Society. These two are clearly incompatible with Pentecostalism. But what about RCCG?

Once again, what's the risk of Gombs marrying an RCCG girl? By actively encouraging 'inbreeding' while being indifferent to inter-sects marriages, they are clearly DISCOURAGING such

A more relevant question is, what's so WRONG with a fine RCCG damsel?

Kenny4lyfe:
Christianity is a cult indeed

*We eat flesh;
*We drink blood;
*We speak in tongues (which is gibberish to the spiritually unlearned);
*We call forth things that be not as though they were ('cus we've come to understand that all things were made by the spoken word);
*We are so addicted to our belief such that it has become the air we breathe, the clothe we wear and the food we eat and we are resolute that nothing- not tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, unclothedness, sword, peril nor a dead on arrival thread by someone with a personal vendetta would stop us. and;
*We are led by God's spirit.
What more can I say?
We are unstoppable jor!!!!

Gombs,
First tithing is not exclusive to evangelicals. Even Catholicism teaches it
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14741b.htm
SDAs too
So for Walter Martin to have believed and taught it and yet label WOF as cultic means the distinction between tithing and WOF was clear to him.

There is something you mentioned up there to the effect that marriages within membership are strongly encouraged to 'prevent clash of doctrines' and you gave example of a Catholic and a CEC lady marrying.

Please tell me whether there are doctrines peculiar to CEC and not other evangelical churches like say RCCG, and if marriages between members of CEC and other evangelical churches are frowned upon.

Thanks buddy

WinsomeX:
As we continue the study of Christ Embassy being a cult, my hope is that the readers understand that my reference to the CEC being a cult is not in that extreme manner of a group of people who make covenants in blood and hold meetings at night. This is the reason I refused to respond to an earlier comment where an individual resorted to the dictionary to define what a cult should be. I am not doing dictionary definition of cultism here. I am looking at cults as defined by Walter Martins in his book The Kingdom of the Cults and with reference to how the bible sees them.

Apart from the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Christian Science, Dr Martins also did a study of many other cult groups, including the New Age movement, etc. I was very surprised to find Word of Faith listed as a cult in the Appendix of the book although my surprise was only a confirmation of something I have long suspected.

Joagbaje has commented on this thread with a seeming witty statement that Christianity could as well be a cult if CEC is one. Like a responder said to him, such a comment cannot detract from the matter on ground.

Dr Walter Martin was a sound evangelical Christian. His theological persuasion were derived from orthodox Protestant theologies, deeply rooted in the Reformed Tradition. He was not a Pentecostal and he did not list Pentecostalism as a cult in his book. In fact he did not include WoF as a cult in the original version of his book. But his followers deemed it fit to include WoF as cultic after his death and that's why it is listed in the appendix of the book.

Quite naturally the thought of CEC being a cult sounds distasteful and I'm certain even some that are my friends in this forum may think that my assertion is a little on the extreme but shall we consider the evidences before us without bias and shall we not take heed lest this false doctrine creep into our homes and into the lives of our children? Shall we permit a modern day Nigerian Jimmy Jones tragedy before we speak out?

Another person has shared on this thread how people he knows suddenly become "new creatures" the moment they imbibe CEC doctrines into their lives. With thinking of "I'm a god", "I can fly", "I can do all things", "the world is mine", "I do everything for the money", etc, replete in their thoughts and words.

I would continue the discuss as I try to retrieve salient quotes from Dr Martins on the cultist mental state, so that you can understand the CEC member next door even better.

Cheers.

- WX.

CRI has had an official position on the subject, it has been that Christians should tithe. Walter Martin’s answer to this question was a resounding yes.

He cited Hebrews 7:8–9 as proof, arguing that just as Abraham, who was before the Law of Moses, paid tithes to Melchizadek (a type of Christ), so we who were “in his loins” as his children through faith (even as the text says Abraham’s grandson Levi was in his loins) should properly pay tithes to Christ.

Current CRI president Hank Hanegraaff has not been as vocal about tithing as was Martin, but in an upcoming book he will take the position that tithing is for today.

He cites, among other things, the fact that Jacob tithed to God long before Moses (Gen. 28:22), and long after Moses, Jesus reaffirmed tithing even while censuring the Pharisees for their meticulous practice of it to the neglect of the weightier matters of religion (Matthew 23:23).

MuttleyLaff:
There is cult, and there is cult
Is this an attempt to "get the dirt off" Christ embassy so Christ embassy can come up smelling of roses?