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Kay17:
What end/purpose have? In some cases, one has to chance to make a response.

9inches:
Yahweh wrote the bible? Really?
Satan is still alive, so let him give his own account.

musKeeto:
For once in your life be honest. Dont toe Joagbaje's path by answering questions no one asked.

Gal 5.17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

Bidam:
In other words it was the fault of isaac and rebecca that made esau turned out the way he did. I don't think i agree with your interpration here because jacob was also bad. It is not in terms of "works" but by election. God says he loved jacob and hated esau even before these guys were born and knew good from bad.It is always about God's choice not man.

arcdone:
Ok broda, when yhu sin u said ur name will b eraze,wht happen wen u ask for 4givnez? Ur name will b fic back, or wht?

Bidam:
Yeah some things do have consequences and yet i kept wondering why God will disinherit esau's blessings which was his by birthright. Is it that esau made the mistake because he was hungry? Or God knew before they were born that esau will turn out the way he did.Even before they were born God already put the sentence on Esau( Romans 9:13) why is that so?

Kay17:
But evil things happen to good Christians, so whats the point?!

Bidam:
Yeah, i guess it has predestination written all over it. I believe Adam is in heaven, Abel, Seth with the rest of the patriachs. Not so with cain and esau.We will be shocked at the folks we will see when we get to heaven. The bible has election written all over it.

johnw74:
One reason why satan may not be forgiven is because he inspired pharasees to say that Jesus performed miracles by the power of satan.
Saying that, is the unforgivable sin and satan is just as guilty as the pharasees for having inspired them to say it.

All the miracles Jesus performed were good, and good people would know that the Holy Spirit is the power behind them.
The pharasees calling Jesus's good miracles being from satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the sin never to be forgiven.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


satan can inspire us to sin:
Act 5:3 .....why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost.....

johnw74:
One reason why satan may not be forgiven is because he inspired pharasees to say that Jesus performed miracles by the power of satan.
Saying that, is the unforgivable sin and satan is just as guilty as the pharasees for having inspired them to say it.

All the miracles Jesus performed were good, and good people would know that the Holy Spirit is the power behind them.
The pharasees calling Jesus's good miracles being from satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the sin never to be forgiven.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

We mean, why wasn’t he forgiven when he rebelled and subsequently cast down?
satan can inspire us to sin:
Act 5:3 .....why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost.....

mbaemeka:
Revelation 20:12 KJV

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

There is more than one book. This verse above says the dead were judged out of those things which were written in THE BOOKS which was according to their works. It is different from the BOOK of life that was described as another and kept aside.

I believe the book of life, the lambs book of life, the book of rememberance, the book that has our tears (David mentioned) or the strands of our hair (Jesus mentioned) are amongst the various books.

ifeness:
I have no hope in anything, but i know i can do anything ones I am determined.

plaetton:
Think of biological evolution, where every cell grows, improves, evolves and contributes to the overall success of the organism or species.

Human life is similar. Think of all the different people, the different ideas, in different eras that have contributed to the freedoms , guarantees and comforts that you enjoy and take for granted today. That is social evolution.

So, my purpose is to contribute, in whatever small or large way to the social evolution of my community, my nation, and to humanity in general.
No god required!

chinnyonwu:
he forsaw the deceit of eve by the devil even right from creation, and went ahead and created eve and gave her d "free will" knowin fully well that she would fall for the devils tricks and the world would eventually degrade to the level it is now wit billions of souls on the path of hell?
That God doesn't sound very reasonable to me.

asala1:
I said the OT bible. Even before Chirst died he instructed us to forgive unconditionally. He didn't say our enemies must seek forgiveness before we forgive them.

plaetton:
My future is what I make it,.. bearing in mind that I share that future with everyone, including people infected and yolked with the irrationality of religion.

My future is not based on the calculus of any skydaddy.

musKeeto:
Hhaahaaa. I thought sin was of the flesh. so spirits can sin too?

sonOfLucifer:
Eve was not deceived. The light of knowledge attracted her. Light naturally draws us. Humans will always continue to seek light. We will prevail and there is nothing your God can do to stop us. A large portion of humanity will be in hell. YOUR GOD LOSES AT THE END. AS ALWAYS.

sonOfLucifer:
Adam sold us out to God. He was a fool.

sonOfLucifer:
What has Yahweh ever done for humanity? He sent floods to wipe us off. What a dickhead. The audacity!!

sonOfLucifer:
Slave. Only slaves are exchanged for a sum. I am a free man.

Silly question, considering that you know that I don't believe that your skymonster is real.
It is your mental creation.
I have to acknowledge that something exists before I can say that I hate it.

Hope is for the feeble , ignorant and fearful.

sonOfLucifer:
Have you grown weary and tired of screaming the blood of Jesus?

mbaemeka:
Trash. When Jesus said the rich man was taken to Hell and Lazarus was taken to Abraham's bosom was it the spirit, soul and body that was taken there?

plaetton:
Hope is for feeble ignorant minds.

That's what you have,.a hope that your god exists, the hope that you can appease him with your fake hypocritical praises , so that he doesn't vex and throw your black behind in the barbecue grill.
Lol.

ifeness:
HE for your god Are you serious?? I don't hope,I know!

9inches:
You don't bother yourself forcing a gift to someone who doesn't need it, do you?

chinnyonwu:
But why dint God forsee all the hullaboboo the devil would have caused. ?

sonOfLucifer:
Yahweh doesnt have the power to forgive Satan. HE has no jurisdiction over the affairs of Satan. Yahweh is like a spoilt kid that got too attached to his toys. He is a bully and a spoilt brat.
Humanity owes its salvation to Lucifer who shone light upon our darkened hearts. TODAY, OPEN YOUR HEART TO HIM. OPEN YOUR HEART TO KNOWLEDGE. KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOD. YOU CAN CREATE AND DESTROY. USE THE POWER WITHIN.

asala1:
The OT Bible [size=20pt]does not state any condition for forgiveness.[/size] It instructs us to forgive
unconditionally, same should apply to our enemies even when they are unrepentant.

BTW how do you know that God allows those sins you mention to slide? Have you been to heaven before? No one is certain untill you get to heaven and you are told that it won't be counted against you.

Pr0ton:
Remember that God is a spirit. If He had died for the sin of the world in the spiritual sense it would be of no merit to man. For that cause He had to come in human form (Jesus) to cancel man's debt in the flesh. So we see that the redemption of man was initially impossible because God was a spirit. Not until when he became flesh was the redemption of man possible.

My point is you said that Satan could not be forgiven because s/he was/is not a man, i.e he's a spirit, and so God's justice should not be questioned, but your claim isn't reasonable enough. The truth is God chose not to forgive Satan. [/b]He only chose to forgive man by going far as becoming a man (Jesus). It was God's choice to do so. He's not living by example of "forgiving our enemies even when they wrong us". His own words go against Him and He's not worth calling God. He should have demonstrated this kind of love He's preaching by simply dying for Satan in the spirit too, then His justice, in that aspect, is commendable.

9inches:
I never heard satan asked for forgiveness... He has [b]pride

asala1:
Must our enemies ask for forgiveness before we forgive them?