₦airaland Forum

mbaemeka:
^^Total rubbish- provide one verse that says so. Circumcision was not completely dismissed by anybody. [size=20pt]It was dismissed as a condition for being saved. [/size]The same way someone is not saved because they observed the 10 Commandments the way they would have been in the OT. That's the same way I am allowed to tithe without feeling it makes me righteous. However, the blessing of tithing is still intact as is the blessing of everything pre-law and in-law.

christemmbassey:
tithe wey u dey calculate no be ppl salaries? Don't worry, another small pikin go insult u back. Sowing and reaping no be d scam wey una de do for church o(collecting ppl's money) d insult wey u dey do now, u go reap.

nora544:
How comes that only two newspapers from nigeria has this information.

Please be carfully I feel that this is not true because you will finde now such news from other countries.

Here in Vienna you can read in no newspaper online this news!

That is a photo from the real opec house in Vienna!

zlatansomto:
This news will surly give our south W**** brothers heart attack,. They will be lyk oh no,. [size=16pt] Ah ILe Aye mi ti baje..

vooks:
Start with why you do 10% while the Jew did 22%. Wait, yours is Abrahamic? Why then do you resort to Malachi which is directed at 22%-ers?

What is it? A high school subject?

Who/what is a spiritual father?

Focus on the examine and the faith bit. I did and dug up lies I had suppressed for years

I probably tithed first when you were still in your diapers. Been there,done that. You on the other hand know only CE truth

Please take time and go through them in your own time. Of course it is embarassing to admit to your fellow CE guys here that you have a crisis of conscience. It definetly helps to parade your solidarity with Oyaks to your pals. I understand that perfectly

trustman:
You can see defense mechanism all the way. Even when advised: 
"Don't study them in defense mode, seek the truth out of them."
Humility will make it possible to learn, arrogance and defiance will make it impossible.

My broda,
when the HOW and WHY are interrogated, they are found to be unscriptural and quite dishonest.

My own Empress is a faithful tither. I do not tithe, haven't done it all of this year. before that, I been tithing for the longest ever since I learnt about the doctrine. All I did was to reexamine the doctrine. I can tell you that all along I had some reservations about the way Malachi was overused. Slight reservations. I had always believed that tithing was practiced since Pentecost. Then I discovered that it started 500 years after. Not unlike Christmas. The next question was WHY. Why would such a doctrine with such immense consequences be missing from the church for hundreds of years?

I began to see systematic misuses of tithing verses. Then I made up my mind. No more tithing. One buddy of mine flew to Norway and he called me. Said he had seen me in a dream and I was giving him my tithes. THe dude is a great guy, a prophet, a man who stood with me in prayers and fasting. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. He is a missionary there but here was he aksing me to tithe to him and not my church. I waited for God to give me the same dream but of course he never did

2 Corinthians 13:5 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Long story but the point is, please over and above the terrible insults and pride that fly across both sides of the divide, examine your doctrine. It helps to look outside your spiritual authority. If you are CE and CE teach tithing, then all literature will be biased towards that. Independent sources help alot. I can share afew. Don't study them in defense mode, seek the truth out of them.

I don't want you to stop tithing, I want you to understand tithing and then like me you make up your mind whether that is for you or not

Will a Man Rob God?
http://www.biblicalfoundations.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/32-Tithing1.pdf

Reconstructing a Biblical Model for Giving:
http://www.biblicalfoundations.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/33-Tithing2.pdf

http://www.tithing.com/
http://www.tithing.com/Breaking-and-Embracing.pdf#zoom=100

vooks:
You have sermons, books,devotionals on first fruits and tithing, ministers supposedly appealing to scriptures teaching you the NECESSITY tithing and the hellish consequences of not tithing. They teach these at Foundation schools am sure. Telling you God does not curse but men bring themselves under his curse......devourer,HIV...

You also have threads,teachings that tithing is not a requirement for Christians, that there are no consequences for not tithing any more than there are for not circumcising or keeping Feasts. They appeal to scriptures.

Why do you happily imagine that one is making rules and the other is not?

vooks:
You have sermons, books,devotionals on first fruits and tithing, ministers supposedly appealing to scriptures teaching you the NECESSITY tithing and the hellish consequences of not tithing. They teach these at Foundation schools am sure. Telling you God does not curse but men bring themselves under his curse......devourer,HIV...

You also have threads,teachings that tithing is not a requirement for Christians, that there are no consequences for not tithing any more than there are for not circumcising or keeping Feasts. They appeal to scriptures.

Why do you happily imagine that one is making rules and the other is not?

Bidam:
The truth is you can't make rules for me by warning me even if i am to eat meat offered to idols. That is my point. Can you point to any post of mine where i warned a christian to tithe. Antithers are always the folks opening threads all over this forum to attack peoples liberty to tithe.

BabaGnoni:
You obviously are not very familiar with the Highway Code signs
Warning sign is not a Stop sign and vice versa.
- Stop sign is an Order. Warning sign is what it says on the tin or label, a Warning (i.e. as in, be informed, be alert, be careful, be aware etcetera)

I had never CONDEMNED tithing but when opportune I've always intimated any that will listen of the higher law and warned of the unnecessity of tithing
- any act of choosing between to or not to is entirely up to the concerned after obtaining the information

Gombs, what I DETEST & CONDEMN is/are the teaching(s) that put fear into tithe-defaulter(s), tithe-abstainers, tithe-agnostics etcetera
What I dislike intensely and shrink from are people using "right or set of rights, jurisdiction either comically, morally, theologically or arbitrarily to try and manipulate, conjure, coerce and/or lie to anyone to paying their tithes"

No offense but you sounded like a baby in a pram crying when a toy was taken off him when you posted "You can warn a Christian to stop tithing iF AND ONLY IF you have a scripture condeming tithing in its entirety. Until then, you have no right or set of rights, jurisdiction either comically, morally, theologically or arbitrarily to try and manipulate, conjure, coerce and/or lie to anyone to STOP or WARN them about paying their tithes"

As for you saying "Wise choice buddy! You cannot block the sun with one finger. Go and sin no more, your sins are forgiven you."

Gombs, it wasn't a wise choice situation because I actually gave up on you and stopped hoping you'll see the light from the sun blocked with one finger
- I have repented of giving up on you, as everybody deserves another chance

Let's say like, the God of another chance(s) I too believe, we all deserve a second, third, fourth up to nth chance to get things right
Gombs, I believe in your ability to change and rise above tithe-ignorances and present or past tithe teaching mistakes

mbaemeka:
I agree with everything you said above. Why I said the emboldened in the previous post cracked me up is that it contradicted what some other poster said and that poster was endorsing your post yet he didn't spot the contradiction which is: yes 17.5% whether per month or annum is right but it will be less than 22% whether per month or annum.

Wuru wuru meant that you shunted the process to arrive at your answer but now seeing that you wrote 110% and not 110 then you were also right.

Unfortunately, I support Arsenal FC so I am distracted by the champions league game I am currently watching.

cheers.

vooks:
Gombs,
[s]The same pride you are exhibiting in fault finding coupled with FAILURE to admit goofing is the kind of attitude cult leaders dream of and move heavens to cultivate in their sheeple. That your conscience does not prick you means it is DEAD to correction. No amount of truth can penetrate it. Sad

I said 10% * 11= 110% not 110.

[s]Let me help your puny brains overheat.
If you paid your full salary in Jan and tithed for the remaining 11 months, it is equivalent to tithing for twelve straight months plus throwing in 90% of a month's salary. How much are you paying per month?
1. The normal 10%
2. The one off antiretroviral January 90%

Now, spread the 90% across the 12 months and you get 7.5%. So per month you are giving the normal 10% plus the 'exceptional' 7.5%. Total is 17.5%

Go lick your wounds in private and come back refreshed and mannered [/s]

WinsomeX:
Who has said anything about 10% * 11? It is nowhere on my post.

Apparently, since you had succeeded in twisting the percentage matter, I like vooks, resorted to using ordinary numbers and still arrived at the same answer.

If as a Maths Professional you will not admit an error you have so clearly made, how will admit to doctrinal errors?

Use the 100, 000 income you suggested to vooks and let's see your conclusion.

trustman:
While you are at playing maths, I await:
1. Your 'Thank you' for my eye-opener to you on Acts 15 position. 
2. Your apology. 

WinsomeX:
Gombs, this thing is easy now.

Now for the sake of clarity, let's assume my salary is N100 and I believe in tithing and first fruiting.

My annual income will be N1200.

I will give firstfruit in Jan of 100.

I will pay tithes for the remaining 11 months of N10 each month, amounting to N110.

In all I will be giving the church 100 + 110 = N210.

Therefore, I am giving N210 of the N1,200 annual income. The simple question that is usually asked not in 4 years of UNIJOS Mathematics but Common Entrance is: What percentage of my total income is given to the church?

Answer:

210/1200 * 100 = 17.5%.

Thank me if you wish, too.

vooks:
My brother,
It's a shame that for all your maths you can't think using numbers. Gifs don't require numbers.

Supposing you earn 100,000 Naira. For ease of computation let's assume it is constant throughout the year.
In January since you dread catching HIV, you pay your first fruit unlike Jeff. 100% of your salary. That's 100,000

Feb to Dec you faithfully tithe 10% each month. Your gross income for the eleven months is 100,000* 11= 1,100,000
So you pay 10% of that to Anita, that is 110,000

Total MANDATORY payments for the year is 110,000+ 100,000= 210,000
Your gross salary for the year is 100,000* 12= 1,200,000
Total mandatory payments as a fraction/percentage of your annual gross pay is (210,000/1,200,000)% or 17.5%

Negro, get a refund from your college and stick to silly gifs

WinsomeX:
I pity you. You haven't seen confusion. When the classes begin, then you will see confusion at its highest form.

As for the Maths, please do me the favor, show me where i or vooks were wrong and you will earn my apology on that; [size=2pt] right away. I won't delay it like your Bayelsan Debtor, running everywhere looking for how to prove SirJohn wrong. I hope he finally finds a way of turning positive HIV to negative. You better advice him to pay up or his shame will not end on this forum.[/size]

SMh...

vooks:
Playing dumb in as much glib

MostHigh:
My Apologies.

WinsomeX:
Thank you vooks for the clarity. They are not only beleaguered with faulty theology, they also are weighed down with faulty Maths comprehension.

I remember once upon a time, the Bayelsan Half-a-Million Naira debtor stating:

1 - 2 = 1.

Errors everywhere!

mbaemeka:
Galatians 2:20 KJV

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Pauk said the life I live IN THE FLESH. Which means the I lives in the flesh and the I is not the flesh. What is it the I? James 2:26 answers it.

Man is a spirit. He has a soul but he lives in a body.

Bidam:
Allow the children to enjoy their toys.Let's watch them, when they are tired of rantings and biles they will stop. They have wandered like stray dogs.Don't give them fuel for their ammo.

Goshen360:
Cheap advert!!!

I have a day job and carry the gospel with me everywhere and preach it at the slightest opportunity. Your pastor Chris na "full time" job he get naw for ministry abi I lie ni?

Goshen360:
Like say you no dey training....we sabi una...na so una hero take start naw...

WinsomeX:
While they may have kept away from the 22%, they have however succeeded in collecting 100% in January. If you do the maths, that will amount to an average 17.5% per month of gullible worshippers resources; that's not including offerings, Dec 7 Pastor birthday bash, IPPC, "ati be be lo". At the close of the day, these Pastors are collecting way above the 22% Moses collected.

Man of God business is good business... no wonder David Oyedepo is the richest Pastor in the world. Only Nigerians can be this stup-id.