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The Word of God is fresh as ever!

He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him (Ecclesiastes 10:8 )

Every child of God has a spiritual force-field around him; it’s a hedge of protection that repels the enemy. Did you ever read about Job in the Bible? Satan had tried unsuccessfully to attack the man, and so he asked God, “Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?” (Job 1:10).

Even satan acknowledged that there was a hedge of protection round about Job and everything he had, until Job unfortunately breached it through his wrong confessions as revealed in Job 3:23-26: “Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in? For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters. For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.”

Here was a man who even satan acknowledged was hedged and divinely protected by God, yet he said “I was not in safety.” Little wonder he suffered terribly and lost everything he had to satan; He broke the hedge of protection placed around him by God through his negative confession. How important it is for us to keep speaking forth faith-filled words and not fear! Negative confessions breach the hedge of protection God has placed around you.

No child of God ought to experience sudden calamities or be overtaken by dire misfortunes; because there’s a hedge of protection around everyone one of us. No matter how the enemy tries to come at you, the Spirit of God will erect a repellent barrier against him: “…When the enemy shall come in, like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him {and} put him to flight [for He will come like a rushing stream which the breath of the Lord drives]” (Isaiah 59:19 AMP). But guess what? He does it through you, for He functions and carries out His ministry in the earth through His kids.

So it’s your responsibility to fortify the hedge of protection placed around you by God and extend its perimeter. How? By talking right, and then also by praying in tongues! When you feel the pressures of life coming at you; maybe at your job, business, academics or in any area of your life, that’s not the time to cry, cower or talk fear! Instead, pray fervently in other tongues and talk your faith up until the power of God inundates your whole being and saturates the environment. As you do this often, the spiritual force-field around you gets wider and wider, repelling the enemy farther and farther.

nlMediator:
I share your sentiments, my brother. Somebody like Paul Crouch figured out a way to spread the gospel, using modern technology. These cessasionists would almost deride him as the devil incarnate. But you'd think that since they know God better, they'd figure out better ways of accomplishing the Master's purpose, adapting existing methods or coming up with new technologies, etc. Instead, they're often bitter, complaining of what people are not doing perfectly. Just show us evidence of how you're impacting lives seems to be asking for too much.

Hmmm, they say "I don't want to fly my flag" or "numbers is ....bla bla bla"

They simply know how things should be done, and has done nothing in that regard. Paul gave highlights of the impacts he's made... not my friends here. They don't want to fly their flags

vooks:
When you look at Paul shipwrecked telling them that they will survive but the ship will be lost, I'd say that's foretelling and comforting at the same time. So foretelling and 'comfort,exhortation and edification' are not mutually exclusive.

We see Paul equating the one prophesying to a prophet. Do we have precedents in the OT?


Numbers 11:27-29 King James Version (KJV)
27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord'S people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!
So a prophesying person is a prophet. Philip's daughters prophesied, they were prophets

You are contradicting yourself . Now, let's make it plain! What are your core points above?

Stand Up For The Gospel - Tuesday, December 2nd .

Pastor Chris

...He died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again (2 Corinthians 5:15).

There’s no better time to reflect on the vicarious sacrifice of Christ, than Christmas time. In the midst of all the celebrations and joyful preparations, take some time to think of the purpose of His birth, life, death, and resurrection. He’s given us such an extraordinary life of glory and righteousness, not just so we could enjoy it and keep it to ourselves, but so we could bring others into this life, even when it isn't convenient to do so. You have to stick out your neck for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Apostle Paul was persecuted more than the other apostles, because of His convictions about the Gospel. When he went to Jerusalem to visit, the other apostles called him aside and told him how so many Jews had become believers, and how devoted they all were to the Law. Paul must have wondered why they should be full of zeal for the Law when Christ already abolished the Law through His death, burial, and resurrection (Ephesians 2:15). The other apostle didn't want to “provoke the Jews,” as it were, so they told Paul to act in accordance with the Law.

Somebody recognized Paul, screamed and said, “...Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men everywhere against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place” (Acts 21:28). The crowd seized Paul and would have killed him because of his message, but for the intervention of the soldiers (read the entire reference in Acts 21:18-32).

Be bold to preach Christ, even when you're persecuted for so doing. As we strategize and try to convert people into the Kingdom, we must not lose our confidence in Christ.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the special privilege granted me to be a custodian of the Gospel of Christ, and declare it boldly in every place, at all times, in spite of oppositions, thereby liberating those in satanic bondage into the glorious liberty of the sons of God, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 Timothy 1:11
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. ;

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 John 3:11-24, Ezekiel 47-48
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Revelation 6:1-10, Joel 2

Take Up His Concerns - Monday, December 1st.

Pastor Chris

Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you (John 20:21) .

Each one of us has a divine responsibility in Christ, to take the Gospel to the ends of the earth. We’re the ones expected to win the world for Jesus Christ, and we have to do everything necessary to make that happen. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19-20, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

His concerns must be our concerns. What He cares about is what we should care about; otherwise, our lives will be empty. Life is nothing without God’s purpose. Think about it: your forebears were here, but they’re gone; then the next ones came and now they’re gone also, and the list is endless, until it finally got to you. So, the question is, “What are you doing here?” Jesus said, “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?” (Mark 8:36-37).

Your purpose for life is very important; God’s purpose for your life is primarily for you to be His agent of salvation and partner in winning others to Christ. Be definite about this. Livenfor this cause. Most people live their lives without ever discovering why they were born; they just walk through life and all they think about is themselves. There isn’t a worse life than that of a selfish man who only thinks of himself.

Your prayers shouldn’t be only about you, your family, your job, your needs, and everything else that has to do with you. Take up the Lord’s concerns and intercede for lost souls. The Bible says He wishes not that any person should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). This can only be if you take up your role as a soul-winner and an intercessor.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for giving me a purpose in life. My heart burns with passion for the Gospel. I’m dedicated to a life that’s meaningful, a life directed to impact others with the power of your Word, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 Corinthians 9:16
For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Bible Reading Plan:1 John 2:15, 1 John 3:1-10 Ezekiel 45-46
2 Year Bible Reading Plan: Revelation 5:1-14 Joel 1

WinsomeX:
Aribasala has finally lost it.

hmmm,we are on same page.that is something to celebrate o

shdemidemi:
The church is mature. It has all the needed rudiments to transform anyone to the image of God from glory to glory. All that is needed for the church was fully provided by God in Christ through His Word.

Dear Lord Jesus!

Eph 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 [size=16pt]Till [/size] we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Father, thank you for giving me a bible...

nlMediator:
It’s attitude such as the one you displayed in this post that keeps some WOFers from participating in your threads. To you, discussions in the Religion section are about competition, causing division and showing yourself to be right, not about enlightenment and edification of the brethren. You extended an invitation to me yesterday, but without waiting even for a reasonable period of time for response, you have already started mocking us.

That’s the same thing you did with the erased WOF thread. I naively thought you were seeking sincere discussions and was writing based on what you did not know about WOF. I stepped in to provide the correct WOF perspective on things, not the distortion I was reading. You commended me immediately I joined the discourse and even said you had me in my mind as one of those who’d join the conversation. Little did I know you had a hidden agenda. All along you knew what you’re doing and shortly afterwards showed your true colors, focusing more on mocking WOF, not a reasoned debate. At that point, we decided to abandon the thread for you, a stance I maintained even when you and your friends created a new one.

If you want people to discuss Bible truths with you, learn to approach them with respect and sincerity. Occasionally, insults would fly but that should not the underlying philosophy among those who care about honest dialogue.

While I’m here, I’ll say a few things in a second post to keep this one from being too long.

well said bro...

i remeber asking him when he was DB why he never discussed

Soul Wining
Love
fruit of the Spirit
How to spread the gospel further
fasting
etc

he side stepped it. when others do, they NEVER seem to have interest in them. But when it s MONEY - tithes, offerings, seeds, etc. Come see them in their best, with all form of baloney.

this was same thing that happened in the WOF thread they did. Now, same is repeating itself, and all he could say is we have had tough times on NL, like seriously? .... you gotta admit bro, That chap has a great sense of humour.

Follow His Examples - Sunday, November 30th .

Pastor Chris

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps (1 Peter 2:21).

Jesus came to demonstrate to us the supernatural life that God has called us to live. When He walked this earth, His life and ministry were an absolute demonstration of the righteousness of God, and dominion of the Spirit. He had a different mind-set—one of absolute mastery. He wasn’t subject to the depravities and corrupting influences of this world. He ruled over nature and lived above it; His triumphant life on earth was an example for us to follow.

Since we have the same life and nature with Him, we also can live triumphantly everyday, with dominion over circumstances. The Bible says as He is, so are we in this world (1 John 4:17). Jesus walked on water, opened blind eyes, unstopped deaf ears, made the lame to walk, restored speech to the dumb, raised the dead, and literally transcended natural laws.

When the winds billowed against the ship as He sailed with His disciples, with audacity, He commanded the winds and the waves to be calm. His disciples, who were present, were awe struck and exclaimed, “…What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him” (Matthew 8:27)!

This is the Jesus that we follow, and whose life and nature we have. Every step He took and every word He spoke were outflows of the supernatural! We're exactly like Him and ought to live the supernatural life twenty-four hours a day. Divinity is at work in you. Blessed be God!

Confession...
I refuse to condescend to this earthly plane of life because as Jesus is, so am I in this world. He’s the effulgence of God’s glory; therefore, my life is full of His glory, power and might. I live triumphantly, irrespective of the circumstances of this world. Halleluiah!

Further Study:
Ephesians 5:1 AMP
Therefore be imitators of God [copy Him and follow His example], as well-beloved children [imitate their father].

1 John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 John 1-2:1-14, Ezekiel 43-44
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Revelation 4:1-11, Hosea 13-14

nlMediator:
^^^

Your post is an exemplar of the ills of the cessassionist movement that I just talked about - a lack of coherence, magnifying issues to score a cheap point, and inability to help a suffering populace. So, if I successfully pray for a person tormented by demons, that means that person now has a perfect world? A relative of mine died last year or so. I knew she had problems, but I didn't know to what extent. When I called her mother to commisserate with her, she told me her daughter was being tormented by evil spirits. These wicked beings would appear to her and be pursung her (in her dreams, I guess). Mind you, the mother is no WOF or charismatic. She's a plain catholic woman and I can't even say she's born again. Assuming I knew of this girl's condition and went to pray for her and God delivered her, would she or anybody be under the illusion that she'll still deal with the many challenges that human beings face on earth? Like finding a suitable spouse, worrying about pregnancy, raising kids, payng bills, etc.

Like I said earlier, you guys are free to believe what you want. And even free to attribute to charismatics what they do not believe. I'll be moved by your lectures when my neighbor's sheep start sporting horns.

The above is the Same reason I read, laugh and move on...they should believe what they will or want.

Reading ...laughing. .. thrilled.

Nora though! This thread is almost going the way Wof thread did.

nora544:
How much you get from the T-shirts you sell.

That is churchbusiness from a God of man.

When will you start sounding bright?

trustman:
I may respond more fully to your post.

But for now let me give you additional information that may help you appreciate things better.

Let me make it clearer: circumcision was a sign of the covenant between God and Abraham (Genesis 17).  This covenant was later extended to Abraham's descendants through Isaac (Genesis 17:19).  Not including Ishmael but only Isaac (Genesis 17:21). In Genesis 26 God again reestablished the oath he made to Abraham with Isaac. And then with Jacob who was renamed Israel (Genesis 35). The twelve sons of Jacob later became the NATION ISRAEL. God again reinstated his covenant with the nation Israel (Exodus 22,19,ff).  
God did not make any similar covenant with any other nation. Only Israel was his special people. Circumcision was therefore a sign between God and his special people alone. Anyone other people who wished to identify with Israel under the covenant had to be circumcised.

I wish you cannsee how you keep shooting your foot. Started well, then ended up innthe ditch.

mbaemeka:
Your case is pathetic. Is any Christian not perverting Jewish tradition? Did Peter not also pervert Jewish traditions? Haha ha. Tell us if it wasn't Christian Jews that attacked Peter. The most inane remark I have seen on this issue is that 'unsaved Jews' would attack Paul for not circumcising gentiles. People Paul referred to as 'Men from James' in his writ to the Galatians.

I also thought you claimed circumcision was valueless in all ramifications? Did Paul not say it still had value? I thought you said it was dismissed in any form whatsoever? Did Paul agree with you?

As per mishmash, as it pleases you. Any scripture that exposes the flaw in any area of your beliefs is mishmash. It is the usual stock-in-trade of those who cannot learn.

I see you've met vooks! Redundancy and self inflicted confusion

Oyinprince:
Wow, I remember last year, we fixed some streets potholes.

We dug open and cleared a stuck gutter...messy but fun

PastorKun:
So how much have you raised or contributed for CEC Idol's birthday?

Spread the word.... if you cant, please..... step aside.

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God bless you

Good morning folks, great resd all through. Mba, your last post was very very on point so much so that it should be a commentary. Weldone.

Meanwhile, a quick devotion.

Born Victorious . - Saturday, November 29th .

Pastor Chris

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith (1 John 5:4).

There’s a higher life in Christ—a spiritual life to which we've been called, as Christians. We’re not ordinary. We were made to look like God, and to function like Him. We’ve been built with possibilities within our system. We‘re not in this world as victims; we were born victorious.

In Genesis, when God made man, the Bible says He gave him dominion over all things (Genesis 1:28). He gave us a life that’s superior, not only to the circumstances of life and the forces of nature, but also to spiritual beings of evil—Satan and his cohorts. Why then do some Christians still live as ordinary men,instead of living victoriously everyday? The reason is their ignorance of the Word: “They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness….I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High” (Psalm 82:5-6).

Thanks be unto God. Jesus said, “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32). The truth is, now that you're born again, now that you're in Christ, you're a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). Whereas you were defeated and lived as a victim before you came to Christ, all that is history now. Today, with Christ alive in you, nothing can put you down; you’re a victor for life!

It doesn’t matter what your experience in life has been; it doesn’t matter how long you might have suffered or been in darkness; light has come to you now. Truth has been unveiled: the truth about what God has done for you, in you, and with you in Christ Jesus. Get to know who you are in Him.

Study, meditate on, and keep proclaiming, the Word, because the Word of God unveils our victorious life in Christ. You were born a victor. You were born to have dominion. You were born to live the superior life, and live triumphantly everyday.

Confession...
Dear Father, I thank you for giving me a life that’s superior to Satan, the circumstances of life, the economic conditions of this world and other problems that ruin people’s lives. I was born to have dominion, and to live a superior life, because the greater One lives in me. I’m a victor in Christ Jesus, now and always. Halleluiah!

Now, thatnwas refreshing.

Vooksm you see why we ain't ordinary? We're not mere men!

Born Victorious . - Saturday, November 29th .

Pastor Chris

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith (1 John 5:4).

There’s a higher life in Christ—a spiritual life to which we've been called, as Christians. We’re not ordinary. We were made to look like God, and to function like Him. We’ve been built with possibilities within our system. We‘re not in this world as victims; we were born victorious.

In Genesis, when God made man, the Bible says He gave him dominion over all things (Genesis 1:28). He gave us a life that’s superior, not only to the circumstances of life and the forces of nature, but also to spiritual beings of evil—Satan and his cohorts. Why then do some Christians still live as ordinary men,instead of living victoriously everyday? The reason is their ignorance of the Word: “They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness….I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High” (Psalm 82:5-6).

Thanks be unto God. Jesus said, “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32). The truth is, now that you're born again, now that you're in Christ, you're a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). Whereas you were defeated and lived as a victim before you came to Christ, all that is history now. Today, with Christ alive in you, nothing can put you down; you’re a victor for life!

It doesn’t matter what your experience in life has been; it doesn’t matter how long you might have suffered or been in darkness; light has come to you now. Truth has been unveiled: the truth about what God has done for you, in you, and with you in Christ Jesus. Get to know who you are in Him.

Study, meditate on, and keep proclaiming, the Word, because the Word of God unveils our victorious life in Christ. You were born a victor. You were born to have dominion. You were born to live the superior life, and live triumphantly everyday.

Confession...
Dear Father, I thank you for giving me a life that’s superior to Satan, the circumstances of life, the economic conditions of this world and other problems that ruin people’s lives. I was born to have dominion, and to live a superior life, because the greater One lives in me. I’m a victor in Christ Jesus, now and always. Halleluiah!

Further Study:
1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. ;

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Peter 3, Ezekiel 41-42
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Revelation 3:11-22, Hosea 11-12

trustman:
Leviticus 23 stated many things God said were to be done forever or 'throughout your generations' or words to that effect.
How many of them do you or your church still follow today?

i have read the above verse, and saw none of the above bold, not even a vaguest hint...can you please furnish me how you concluded on that or at least paste your bible version?

[quote author=mbaemeka post=28419473]

Yes bro. I know people bow down, kneel, and clap during praise and worship but there is not a single verse in the scriptures that says they have a spiritual meaning like say 'raising of hands' does.

true... any input from anybody?

Yet those things are not wrong like when we close our eyes or close our palms in prayer. Bowing down or kneeling, and clapping are fleshly ways of showing reverence and appreciation to someone. When Alexis Sanchez scores a good goal we clap our hands in admiration and appreciation FOR what he has done. Same way the Yorubas do ba le alot to show respect to elderly ones but all these things are physical and fleshly NOT that they are wrong.

nice points i must say

Jesus said the TRUE WORSHIPERS will worship the father IN SPIRIT and ACCORDING TO THE WORD. And that word worship there actually meant 'to bow, kneel'. So Jesus was saying true kneeling or bowing to GOD will be in spirit because that's what God truly desires. Does it then mean that those of us who kneel and clap are wrong? No sir and that is what I was trying to show him concerning circumcision.

vooks, what sayeth thou?

He kept asking us for the SPIRITUAL VALUE of it and I kept telling him that not everything we do has spiritual value. It doesn't mean they are wrong or DISMISSED COMPLETELY. If I stand in prayer God will still hear me. If I sit he still will. What he wants me to do spiritually is have faith (because faith is the response of our spirit to his word). If I kneel in prayer God will still hear me and if I lay on the floor he still will as long as I have faith. If I shut my eyes The name of Jesus will still work and if I open my eyes it still will. So because these things don't affect my spirit man doesn't mean they are now USELESS or COMPLETELY DISMISSED. That's what I was showing him.

vooks... he's got some pointers your know!

Bidam:
Maybe this scripture will help concerning clapping of hands.

1For the choir director. A Psalm of the sons of Korah. O clap your hands, all peoples; Shout to God with the voice of joy. 2For the LORD Most High is to be feared, A great King over all the earth.…Psalm 47:1

thanks buddy!.. i just learnt

vooks:
My brother,
circumcising NOW is as worthless as burnt offerings. That has been my point all along. It has ZERO benefits to nobody outside the supposed medical reasons.

You have been pushing for a theory that it 'identifies us with the promise' which is flat out wrong. It doesn't.

PS: Worthless things are not necessarily sin.

Well, do you know if you know something right and don't do it, it's sin? For example, the true gospel preachers here, who seem to know how the church should be and hasnot done aanything in that regard, I hope the know they'd be sinning? But good news is, they're wrong.nso they're not sinning.

Define 'worthless things'! Paul was right to say circumcision did not bring righteousness, for Abraham was righteous before circumcision. The Jew thought it to be sin to ignore circumcision. How then did you conclude that it was not a sin to ignore it according to the jews? Remember you said " circumcision is not sin". A notion mba pointed out. If it was a sin in the day not to circumcise, Bringing us back to mba's question,

If the Jews had put pressure on him to commit sexual immorality would he have done it?

Why did Paul circumcise Timothy after the resolution in chapter 15?

mbaemeka:
1. So if circumcision is not a sin why will it be TOTALLY DISMISSED FROM THE NT? see the flaw?

[size=20pt]2. Hair-splitting. Whether he circumcised Timothy and Timothy ALONE means nothing. He circumcised him after Acts 15. That's the point.[/size]

3. Wrong. Paul didn't say he resisted Titus from being circumcised. He said NOBODY FORCED/COMPELLED Titus to be circumcised even though he was a Gentile.

4. Please tell Genesis 17 and Galatians 3 or Romans 3 that circumcision has zero benefits. It is cyclical to keep mentioning spiritual benefits to it. I already said physical circumcision is physical. Period.

5. Please provide verses showing clapping and kneeling as spiritual.

That's what I was trying to drive home, but vooks don't seem to want to understand. Thanks buddy!

For the colored, vooks, I'd want to learn too...in all honesty I know about kneeling, but clapping is a no no. David once said Psalms 95:6 - Come, let us worship and bow down, Let us kneel before the LORD our Maker.

...be right back.. End of month frenzy!

[quote author=vooks post=28411364]

Abraham got me covered? Did he cover my tithing as well?

Yup!!

If there is NO difference whatsoever between a circumcised and uncircumcised Christian, is circumcision of ANY value to a believer?

but his is what we've be saying na, Physical circumcision does not make you righteous, but spiritual circumcision. However, folks do physical circumcision for health reasons too.

vooks:
Gombs,

Could you please answer these questions;

1. Exactly what do you mean when you say that circumcision 'identifies us with the promise?'

it was a mark of the covenant God had with Abraham, it was for ever, from generation to generation.

2. Does CE teach circumcision as a necessity of 'identifying with the promise'?

let me call Pastor Chris.

3. If I am not circumcised and hence do not 'identify with the promise' what am I missing?

well, Abraham's got you covered...

Romans 4:11 ESV
He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well,

trustman:
First, can you see the point we are making?

Your question has been answered long ago in my response to Goshen360 maybe a page or so before.
Why not try and seek clear understanding of one issue before wanting to jump to another.

forgive me for taking you serious.

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Do you still maintain Circumcision was for Israel and Israel alone? Let us start from there.

Vooks, you've said your bit, me mine... let the readers see and discern which is true by God's Spirit. You might also want to revisit my post you quoted. I added some things after you added some others things to yours Thanks

vooks:
My broda,
But circumcision was NEVER retained for ANY reason. Acts 15 Council did more than clarify that circumcision was not necessary for salvation; it was dismissed altogether as a burden. [s]Proof of this is, Paul ONLY circumcised to avoid the bugging unbelieveing Jews. [/s] If there was ANY benefit ( which you can't name but Gombs calls 'identifying with the covenant' but can't substantiate) Paul would have circumcised more readily than only when pressured by non-believers.

So circumcision among Gentiles was not a noble practice abused like spiritual gifts in Corinth,for which proper use needed emphasis, it was an unnecessary BURDEN

I doubt the above cancelled. Paul was a staunch Jew (He gave his CV too), infact, he was so jew that he had to do much to come minister to them, even after Jesus clearly stated his ministry was to the Gentiles. He obviously was already circumcised.

I think you meant He circumcised Timothy because he was under pressure from the jews. I hope you can see you're wrong and take corrrection? Timothy, was half greek and half Jew, though the apostles resolution was that circumcision should not be a basis for being saved. He yeah, bowed to pressure of the Jews and circumvented the resolution. He circumcised Timothy who was a new convert, just to please the Jews who were taught one has to be circumcised before saved.

Later, there was another instance where Paul did his best to conform to Jewish practices. When he got to Jerusalem the local church expressed its concern:'
… it is said that you teach all the Jews in the gentile world to turn their backs on Moses, telling them to give up circumcising their children and following our way of life. What is the position then?' (Acts 21: 21-22, New English Bible)

Christian leaders in Jerusalem, knew that this idea was extremely controversial, and called on Paul for guidance. Paul did not answer their question directly. He affirmed that he instructed gentile converts to abstain from fornication and a few other rules. [size=20pt]He said that he followed the law. [/size] However, nothing is recorded as directly refuting the charge that he had been advising Jews to turn their backs on Moses and to stop circumcising their children.

In any case, the whole point was lost in an enormous melee that resulted in Paul being arrested at Jerusalem and finally sent to Rome. Paul's actions about circumcision in Acts are noticeably different from the thoughts he expressed in his letters. Some of this may be due to the fact that he was dealing with Jews in Acts whereas in his letters he was writing to Gentiles.

Another difference is that Acts writes about his actions whereas in his letters, Paul is writing for himself. However, there does appear to be a development of his thought on the subject. When his letters are examined in the order in which they appear in the New Testament, his attitude to circumcision as a requisite for salvation becomes steadily more hostile.

I just saw the Galatians part you added, what Paul was saying there was that after meeting with leaders in Jerusalem, they were in agreement with what he taught, and did not force him to get Titus circumcised. What we are saying here is, circumcision WAS NOT a basis for being saved. Titus was saved, and he was not circumcised, unlike how the Jews wanted it - one has to be circumcised else, no salvation. He buttressed this fact here

[NLT] Galatians 5:2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you.

Thanks