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Candour: My bro, you're not a tithe beneficiary so I honestly shouldn't have any issue with you. Its only very curious that a leader of a Christian assembly will deprive his members of the blessings associated with the other forms of tithing to God.

How many forms of tithing Pa AB had/ observed?

I also wonder why the famed benefits of tithing never seem to reflect on the tithers.

Wrong conclusion.... Go and hear testimonies out there

I'm Sure your man here has testimony of cars, maybe lands, cash gifts through tithe but can you and other church members honestly say you've ever received even a bicycle tire as a direct result of your tithing?

Yelz...why not?....in fact I get stuffz for free.... Brand new free o!..why would you EVER think my tithing aint working and I kept at it? And still telling other to start tithing?


You shd wait till I share my partnership testimonies...maybe I'd open a thread. Do you do partnership? (It's a definite no sha!)

Have you asked why those who preside over collections seem to be the most visible proof of these blessings?

You lie... Let me give you few examples.... Strive Musiyawi (got the spelling wrong) owner of econet, SA first lady, Me, Bidam, Jo, GEJ (he pays tithe like mad) etc

Don't be negative minded

Bidam: He that giveth to the poor lendeth to the lord. from this scripture, no where is it also written that alms giving is by Faith.

[size=16pt] But we all know that giving is an ACT of FAITH. Tithing is also a form of giving. Tithing predates the Law.Abraham gave tithes to God(Who he could not see) as an ACT of faith through Melchizedek(priest of the Most High God).
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Abraham the father of faith showed us the perfect example, we ought to emulate.The christian journey is never a journey of the LAW but a journey of FAITH. This is elementary teaching really. I am surprised a teacher like you should not know the definition of FAITH.

2 Cor 8:3 "For I testify that according to their ability, and beyond their ability they gave of their own accord."

Here Paul was even encouraging the corinthian folks by citing an example of the Macedonians who gave generously out of their extreme poverty. Paul was never aiming for less,he was aiming for higher than 10%.

According to your supporters here, Paul must also be fraudulent by collecting the resources of the poor Macedonian churches and also using them as a perfect example to the Corinthians on GRACE GIVING BY FAITH.

2 Cor 8:10 "And I give my opinion in this matter, for this is to your advantage, who were the first to begin a year ago not only to do this (giving), but also to desire to do it."

This scripture is so clear that Paul noticed they backslidded in their givings,they became carnal thinking they were doing Paul a favour by enriching him, just as some of you here are of the erroneous impressions that giving tithes to your local Assembly is a means of enriching the pastors. Here PAUL SAID IT IS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE NOT TO MINE.

No one is being cajoled to give, like i told Mark earlier, i cannot give what i don't have. If i see my givings(tithes and offerings) as an act of worship to God, why should i hoard it by being greedy and covetous as frosbel quoted in that scripture.

2 Cor 8:12 "For if the readiness is present, it is acceptable according to what a man has, not according to what he does not have."

2 Cor 9:7 "Let each one do as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

Paul was saying look folks, you are not giving to me but to GOD( God is the one collecting it because of the cheerfulness of the givers heart just like He accepted Abel sacrifice ) and that is the christian FAITH oga goshen, so if i purposed in my heart to give God 20% of my monthly income, who are you to judge my givings as being based under the LAW

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The god of this world has blinded their Eyes. They will leave Pa AB and quote for me Leviticus and deuteronomy.


Yeah...Goshen if I wanna gv 20% of my earnings, why would that make you wanna have a migraine?

Asked them on the other thread...and I'd ask here again!

1. Who taught Abel how to rightly give offerings? (Bible said By faith he did that....)

2. Who taught pa AB how to tithe? Was it just a mere 'free willed' donation?

Why then did Moses adopt same tithing with same principle (10%) as pa Ab's if twas just a mere free will giving?

Candour: Which of the offerings practiced in the old testament do you give today? You scream tithe and your head pastor helps amplify it with the favourite Mal 3:8-11 but do you even obey the 'tithe principle' as you call it? There are at least 4 variants of tithes in the bible, how faithful are you to them or its just the one that favours you and your ogas that concern you?

I can understand the members who pay to you and your partners and believe it works but you know the deceit you invest in this but your conscience is so dead it doesn't bother you.

See one of the tithes that God instituted. Have you ever mentioned it to your folks in church?

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Or you don't bother because it favours those on the fringes of society and to you, they can as well go and die?

Stop bringing tithings of the Law..bring up tithe paid by popsi AB!... Abi was pa AB a jew?

Bros o!...

Goshen360: Holman Christian Standard Bible
But the law is not based on faith . . .

International Standard Version
But the Law has nothing to do with faith. . . .

People who keep deceiving themselves and others saying they tithe BY FAITH. You don't understand the finished works in the way of Faith that negates the way of law. Where was it said that tithing is BY FAITH, give us just one scripture. You must understand your confession of tithe by faith has nothing to do faith but law as long as you doing Matthew 23:23 or Malachi. Faith has nothing to do with law (monthly tithe\weekly tithe) just as law has nothing to do with faith. Two opposite poles!!!

Ogbeni, I don't confess tithe by faith..I PAY tithes in faith.


You won't just stop being inconsistent, will you?


Tithe is/was NOT/NEVER under the law, aw many times do we need visit this?

Bidam: You were asked whether tithe is mentioned in the passage you erroneously quoted,you are now shifting the post to greed. Is tithe called greed in your bible SMH!

In NWT, you never can say! Maybe there it's called greed.

He Lives On… Through You! · Monday, December 2nd ·

Pastor Chris

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand (Isaiah 53:10).


The Lord Jesus came into this world, lived, conquered Satan and the world, was crucified and buried, rose triumphantly from the dead, and ascended to heaven. He is in heaven now. In our opening verse, we read that, He shall see His seed, and shall prolong His days. The seed of Jesus Christ is the Church: He prolongs His days in the earth through the Church.

Acts 1:1 talks about "…all that Jesus began both to do and teach,"; this refers to His miraculous works and teachings about the Kingdom of God. As you read further into the book of Acts, you’d find that the Lord continued to teach and to do the same things through the Apostles whom He had chosen. They, in turn, delivered the same teachings to others, and finally, it got to every one of us, and it’ll continue until Jesus comes again. We’re His ambassadors, teaching the same things He taught, and doing the same works He did.

Always be mindful that Christ is living through you. Today, anyone who needs to know what Jesus looks like only needs to look at you! You’re the effulgence of His glory; the express image of His person, a partaker of His life, and a dispenser of His love, righteousness, and grace.

Prayer
  Precious Father, I thank you for expressing yourself to the world through me. I declare that Christ is alive in me, dispensing His righteousness, love, grace, and mercy through me; and my life is a veritable manifestation of your praise and glory, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Galatians 2:20

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 1 John 3:11-24, Ezekiel 13-15

2 Year Reading Plan : John 17:1-10, 2 Chronicles 5-6

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you and your blog...We won't visit your blog o!

Why would you wanna be a judge on your own case and in your court house?

And I couldn't read your write up...don't wanna trouble my spirit.

christemmbassey: @Gombs, tnx for ya thoughtfulness, i dey o, i dey kamkpe, acording to OBJ. I hope it is not to find out whether devourers don finish me, i preach just like Paul, "the man that will not (refuse to)work, should not eat". actually i have a project dat is taking much of my time, just give me a week or two, i'll return with a big bang. Tithe collection is a sin, especialy for those who undastand n preach grace. If u are still promoting d fraud, pls repent, n change from this sin. Stay bless, love you.@Candour, one of these days, we must treat this Calvin issue, tnx for calling. The God of peace himself, give u peace himself. Love v.

Ok na

frosbel: ^^


Yes , its called Greed.

" But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." - Ephesians 5:3-5







2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

So you are fighting against 'greed'?

Who's the greedy one? Me that gladly pays my tithe or the pastor that also pays his?

frosbel: We is the millions of impoverished Nigerians who are told to pay their 'tithe' before feeding their children or paying their rent or paying school fees.

Ephesians 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them (NASB: Lockman)

Go back to that Eph 5 and read what the darkness there is... Did you see the word TITHE amongst them?

Candour: My broda, I'm very fine. Thanks for asking. I've been around on NL. Maybe you've not been seeing me because we've had no reason to argue lately

Also I just left the phone talking with Christemmbassey. He's doing great but said he's been busy with work and family. Even heard his children making noise with him in the background so he too is fine.

Thanks for asking once again

Oh! That's wonderful. True words, we don't have much to argue...lol

Pls extend my warmest regards to him.... Miss his presence atimes.

God bless u

frosbel: Not all want to donate, many and I dare so most donate for the following reasons :

1. Fear of a curse which is wrongly preached to them every sunday
2. Fear of Hell
3. They buy into the false hope that God is a money doubler
4. Fear of loss of income, job, house etc.


In summary , just like a con man will trick a widow or old woman out of her savings, these so called MOG use the same tactics and con people out of their hard earned money.

So you are out to save those who are 'brainwashed', right?

frosbel: We are to expose the hidden things of darkness of which one is the fraudulent twisting of scripture to extract money from Gods children which really is tantamount to THEFT !

WE?

You and Kunle and co i suppose?...ok, pls show me where in the bible anybody was asked to 'expose the hidden things of darkness'?

I can wait...take all the time you need

Pastor Kun: I am still yet to see were God commanded monetary tithes from income to christians in scripture. That aside no one has stated that uncle Joe doesn't have a Job as we all know that he is a pulpit love-vendor which is a very lucrative business.

PS: if you like call me street beggar or destitute, I really don't care as I don't have any personal point to prove to you or anyone on this forum. For all you know I might be a motor park tout who dropped out of primary school but guess what, our social or financial status does not matter to Christ. As long as I have Christ, I really don't care about material riches.

You want me to fish out threads you were so so so about material wealth?

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Hello Candour

Been a while, hope all is well?

How about Emmanuel Bassey? He's been awfully scarce, do you knw his whereabouts or any reason for his absence?

coolmoon500: As we get ready to start the new year, please let us not rob God of Tithe. God is not stupid for giving us that rule. He is a Faithful God.
Pay your Tithe and test if your Heavens would not be open.

there are many defaulters on this principle, its hard, but again takes discipline and focus.

This is God we are talking about here, not man. He is not a Liar, The one who watches over Israel neither sleeps nor slumbers. Try it, remain faithful and see for yourself.

My dear! We've told em the above to no avail...just leave them be


God bless u

frosbel: It is not Gods command, it is a command from wolves and hirelings in sheep's clothing.

Then God now sent you to liberate or warn his flock against tithing? Right?

frosbel: Mate , I have a great Job in a great place, I will not donate my hard earned money to pimps in the pulpit.

Fine. But why not leave those 'who want to donate. Their hard earned money to pimps in the pulpit' alone?

Y not?

frosbel: Poverty ?

I am enjoying the riches from my hard work and not misappropriating funds from the poor, desperate and widows through the Tithe LIE.

No problem with being rich but do it on your own sweat.

Hard work don't make one rich..if it did truck pushers would be the richest folks.


And emm... You sounding desperate lately o!

Pastor Kun: And this is a statement from a supposed Christian pastor SMH

Have you weighed your words? Words From a supposedd christan brother?

BTW, nothing wrng with his words.. Someone made a choice and Jo expounded it (made it clearer)

Kunle...no one is a tithe collector...tithes are God's command.


When would you stop saying Jo hasn't a job? Why would always go personal in slanderous remarks n unfounded accusation?

Its like me saying you are a chronic agbero or street urchin who luckily stumbled on an internet enabled device. That would be basic lie, won't it?

So, I saw Berem wailing in serious confusion. She said tis nt because APC/Ngige lost, but because Tinubu asked her to pay back all the dime he spent in the Kitchen whr she cooked the wrong soup Ngige ate!


Meanwhile, Ngige is now officially a successful election looser.

And Tinubu can sight 2015 from yonder...for when the Lord shall give GEJ victory, they shall be like them that dream.

But 2billion?...why him no go strt correct business?

frosbel: ^^^

I wonder how GOD can lead a person into all the false doctrines you keep propagating here. Sorry God does not lead into error.

You may have a zeal for God but be deceived at the same time , check up.

Your opinion doesn't matter... God's does!...

Alwaystrue: @vickyo,
Alwaystrue more like Always the Word study, that is why it will not be easy to be deceived as the bible says even the very elect may be deceived. It is perilirous times so if you study 2 Tim. 3, you get some idea of what men who will become lovers of themselves will be exibit, as very evidently displayed in the world today.
I enjoin you to like David, hide the word in your heart. If you read Psalms, you will understand why David was truly a man after God's own heart.
Thanks I am honoured.



@Gombs,
When we keep looking into the mirror of the word, we tend to see where we need to clean up in our lives. Thanks for that.
Hmmmmn on the teacher, even if I did not know it, people are beginning to say so.
Let's keep studying to show ourselves approved of God.

You shd knw it...the Spirit of God wud communicate that to you


When I knew I was one, I geared up...and ever since God laid in my heart, I studied even more voraciously, mostly unknowingly. The more I did, the more I saw why we need preach this gospel to all creature.


I charge you to walk in that office and never backdown, never be ashamed to show yourself approved before God, and as you teach online and offline you will demonstrate the character of His Spirit. I know how many lives I've changed from teaching, and I'm still on it.

You too have and can do more.

Remember you are the light of your world. SHiNE like crazy. Illuminate dark places wth the gospel of Christ, liberate men from the stronghold of religion and ignorance.

God bless you.

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I tire for frosbel

scipher: I had this argument with my girlfriend yesterday and I felt I should extend this topic to this forum to get peoples views.

Firstly, I believe all the events recorded in the Bible are not detailed, and they're only meant to shape us spiritually and draw us closer to God.

So, my question is, do you think God created man from sand as the Bible says, or God created blueprints that inspired evolution?

Gen 2
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


What don't you understand here?

Where did your idea of 'blueprint that inspired evolution' crawl up from?

Am I FTC?

1st day of the last month of the year 2013!

Abeg make una follow me clap for Jesus joor

I'd preach 2 Corinth 5:17, 18


I could preach a whole month on these verses alone

Not sure you in in the right section! This should be in General.


@Op, No! Not all lawyers are liars!

vickyO: Are you a Pastor or Teacher in the church?

Nah!...just Spirit filled. That's what you look like when you look in God's mirror( His Word)...you become the word.

These are evident from arduous study of and continuous feeding on the word

@Alwaystrue, you should know you are in the office of a teacher... Eph 4:11. Keep shining!

Bidam: of cos i have power. Christ is in me.

Flesh and blood did not reveal the above to u, but my father n heaven!

They hardly move me


But if you mean celebs like Sinach, Joe Praise, frank Edwards, they thrill me....but not sure I'd be crazed abt snapping with them