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plappville: Why giving to someone that is already rich?

You must be really be pained!

plappville: This is touching. Blind Christians will keep pleasing Thier over rich pastors and claim they are paying tithe to God......Oh Africans, Oh Nigerians, this is primitiveness.

adesiku: As long dat I pay tithe wch was commanded by God,I dnt fink I nid 2 worry where it goes...weda its goes to the pastor's pocket or not,I dnt care...let God judge,am nt in the place 2 judge...

No, they wanna judge for God, they feel it's their God given right and ministry.

All they want is for ALL folks to stop tithing, as if it's their monies. Not knowing they are fighting a losing battle. A lil more time, and they'd ALL fade away. A lil more time bro.

I find the sudden romance between atheists and anti tithers quite interesting



Makes me remember this saying "Vultures of same bald head flock together" - Gombs (1999)

Another tithe thread...
Only if folks would channel energies used to fight tithes to win souls or exhort brethren with more edifying topics from the bible.

thehomer: Why is this shocking?

Yeah!...frosbel, why is it shocking?

Take Personal Responsibility For The Gospel · Sunday, December 8th ·

Pastor Chris

Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand (Ezekiel 3:17-18).


The verses above emphasize your responsibility to evangelize your world and win the lost to Christ. God has made you a "watchman" over the sinners—the unconverted in your world. You’re God’s watchman to your world because you’re the one to whom the Gospel has been entrusted (1 Timothy 1:11).

The Apostle Paul proved his personal commitment to the Gospel. In his address to the elders of the church at Ephesus, when he was to leave and go into Jerusalem, he made a very remarkable and inspiring statement. He said, "…I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house… Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men" (Acts 20:20-21; 26).

Paul was bold to declare that he was free from the blood of all men; not all men in the world, but those in his world, because not all men in the world were committed to him. Those that were committed to him were all the people he could reach, address, or meet wherever God sent him. The same applies to you; your world is your sphere of contact: those in the environment where you function; those you meet, interact and relate with.

Are you "pure from the blood of all men" in your world? To be pure from the blood of all men, you must take personal responsibility for the Gospel and preach it as though without you, no sinner in the world would ever hear about Jesus. This is mandatory for you as a Christian!

Prayer  

Dear Father, the Gospel of your grace is like fire shut up in my bones, and I ask that you guide me by the Holy Spirit, to as many as you’ve ordained to receive salvation and blessings through me today, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: John 4:34; Jeremiah 20:9

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Revelation 1:1-20 Ezekiel 27-28

2 Year Reading Plan : John 18:28-40 2 Chronicles 17-18

God bless you bro!
That's why note pads are very necessary during church meetings

Yeah, HBD to Pastor Chris

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Ph.D

Date:3rd november 2013

Venue: Global Classroom

 

INTRODUCTION

"One of the things each one of us has to know is that we are the object of God's love and the love of God has been clearly directed towards us. Not only are we from God but the bible tells us that he paid specially for us. Praise the Lord.!

You can be an absolute success in your life. Be at the top of your game, so you can live a glorious life now, your life can be beautiful.
KJV
1Pe 3:10  For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

1Pe 3:11  Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

1Pe 3:12  For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.


The bible is God's instruction manual for a great life, to sum it up, Be agreeable,Be sympathetic, Be humble

KJV
1Pe 3:8  Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

1Pe 3:9  Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

1Pe 3:10  For he that will love life, and see gooddays, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak noguile:

1Pe 3:11  Let him eschew evil, and do good; let himseek peace, and ensue it.

 

Thereare 3 Points to note here:
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1.    QUIT WANTING TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE.

2.    QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE OTHER PEOPLE.

3.    QUIT JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE.
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1.0QUIT WANTING TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE.
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Have value for yourself. The first person you've got with you is you! You're valuable to God

God expresses himself through every one of us differently. Your responsibility is to bring the best out of you. If you can treat yourself right, you can't treat anyone right. Be happy for you, you are valuable to God. We cannot all be thesame. Don't compare yourself with others. God already has you, why would he want another you? There was no you that has exited nor will exist after you.

Until you recognize that we are all different and unique, we cannot produce the best out of ourselves.

Jesus taught us that Words are seeds. What do we do with seed? We sow them... What do you sow into your personality? Words whether good or bad come to us all the time and these messages become seeds in our lives, and it reproduces our character. You are the result of those seeds that were sown in your life. You are the result of the books you have been reading, the movies you have been watching or the person you have been listening to.

You can make adjustments of your life by the seeds you sow to make a change. Sow the right seeds into your personality; words that lift you up.


Set your mind off the things that demeans you.

Be what God has made you, and you can make the necessary improvements by sowingthe right seeds in your life.
Words are the most beautiful gift given to us by God. The ability to express ourselves in word. God gave us words so that we can stir our lives in the direction of ourwords.

If you have a baby and isolate him from people, having no one to talk to, he will grow up dumb, he can't express himself in words, because he will not understand them. Words are so beautiful, they are a gift from God. Words are not just good just to communicate with others. God gave us words to direct our lives. If your words are heading to a way of peace, your life will go in the way of peace too.


When we speak evil or bad of other people, we destroy an important element in ourlives. It works against us, it corrupts our spirits.


Anyone who wants to have a good life, Learn to Control your tongue. God placed us here to help other people and be in the place of God. Don’t speak evil and don't speak hurtful words to other people or about other people. When you speak evil or bad words to other people, you're actually destroying the programming of good that God has for us and you begin to go the wrong way.


Summary:

1.Be satisfied that God loves and values you the way you are.

2.Sow good seeds into your life with words; listen to words that inspire you.

3.Stop/ refrain from things that demean you.

 
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2.0QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE OTHER PEOPLE.
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Don't love people only if/because they measure up to your standard. Start seeing people the way God sees them. Don't think if only your friend, wife or son would be like you things would be better.

You can't change anybody. The question is, why do you think that person needs a change?

They're all wonderful the way they are. The only change you need is to help you become even more glorious; to become more of what God wants you to be.
Become all things to all men referring to Apostles Paul, in 1 Corinth 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. it means I made adjustments to relate with all.

We can shape God's word to help people become what God wants them to be, and not what we want them to be.


That message of self-value is the beginning of transformation from one level to another.
God's expression of Jesus is a spiritual mirror. Don't set your standards for them, but let Jesus be manifested to them

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3.0 QUIT JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE.
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1Tim 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;


Mind your business. Learn to live a quiet life. Appreciate people just the way they're and you will be amazed. Choose to see the best in others. If you mind your own business you will be successful in your business. Get off other people's case.


Don't make it your business to break into other people’s business. Get off other peoples case and you would be happy, because the more you go into other people's business the more you would judge them. Mind your business.

Don't be a garbage can; don't let people introduce terrible stories into your life. There is always something wrong with the other guy. It’s interesting how we don't like people we have never met. We tell lies about others that we are not sure of what we are talking about. Busy telling others, "yes its true," as if you were there, and by the way, even the one who told you the story was not there. Put a stop to this.



Never tell stories that make other people dislike those we are talking about. God does not want us to participate in that. Don't project and propagate hatred,instead propagate love, because you are an offspring of love and that ought to be your message.

When you judge others, God ignores you

They once brought a woman who was caught in the very act of adultery to Jesus.
Jesus ignored them when they were judging the woman. It means that's what God does,God ignores you when you are busy judging others.

Then Jesus raised his head up and told them that, "let he without sin cast the first stone", then one by one turned back and left the place.

Don't be good at judging other. When Jesus ignored those who wanted to condemn the woman of adultery, he was expressing that God ignores those who judge others.


Summary:

Don't project hate, but propagate love.

Control you tongue and you would a beautiful day every day.

We can act like Jesus. We can recognize when people do things wrong, we are not naïve, but we shouldn't condemn them.

This is my attitude, 'I wouldn't have known all this I know if God didn't help me.’

Be thankful for this opportunity to know something of God. Don't be angry at those who don't know the word, instead pray for them. "


God bless y'all

rudedough: Now where is Pastor Miwerds and Pastor Candour? The supposed "Theological Discussants On Tithing."

Just like every other tithe collecting pastors, I guess they've absconded from the thread because the truth has come to light.

Confusion o... You must be a newbie... A newbie atheist too

*Unfollows thread

rudedough: Stick to the debate on tithing. I am not here to win an argument or collect a trophy.

Good... Cos you can't win

I want to learn about the bible from you Pastors, maybe i can be converted to Christendom.

Read
John 3:16
John1: 1-23
2Corinth 5:17
Romans 10: 9-10

In that order. If you cannot be convinced by them, christendom would be but a mirage

So please clear my curiosity on the teaching of "tithing" Pastor. There's no need to get desperate here, there's no winner or looser. Just people learning about the scripture of God. And i hope many Christians too on this thread is interested to know what God taught about tithing.

You never came to learn, if you did, your first post on ths thread would have been neutral.

Now, if you will excuse me, I've gotta be a part of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome's bday celebration.

Be a good lad now,

Cheers

rudedough: @Gombs and @The mind You guys don't want to discuss with someone who has read the bible. So who do you want to engage in a "Theological Discuss On Tithing"?

Christians who haven't read their bible thoroughly? So that you can deceive them some more and rob them blind of their hard earned money.

The desperation is funny really.

mate, I'm sure your above post is densed with a heavy stench of defeat, let's change discuss

Would you care to teach me about atheism?

How big bang brought about the world?
Or how humans evolved from monkeys (stupid) to man (intelligent)

The mind: Oh oh sorry your mistake I never knew you were the same person as Ichie_Mexe I quoted. Your bubble busted. At the gathering of the hawks the snail came preaching on the technicalities of flying and maneuvering. Ones you don't know the truth the truth can's set you free.

What is the truth about God's Word. Beginner class start reading John 4: read from Vs 1 and dwell more on 23-24. Then you will tell God, reveal yourself to me in prayer.

*falls off Bicycle laughing

rudedough: Please stop the Pro-tither and Anti-tither protagonism. I'm an Atheist, i don't give tithe or collect tithe. I have no stakes in tithing or the reverse.

I wanna think as someone else tutored you before now

Joagbaje: .. And if you're really an atheist you have no business in doctrinal discussion except the message of your soul salvation .

Simples

All i want is to establish the truth from the Christian Holy Bible and if you feel as though i have misinterpreted the bible, show me to the right quotations of the bible.

We don't need show you, BTW, Thank you, we (christians) would take it from here.

I don't promise to have all the answers but i can assure you that i have an opened mind to learn your doctrine.

Start from here, if you wanna honestly learn

Joagbaje: .. And if you're really an atheist you have no business in doctrinal discussion except the message of your soul salvation.

Please stop sending social phobia to Christians like the devil is trying to deceive Christians from tithing

You know nothing about the devil...he don't exist to atheists na

whereas it is clearly written in the bible that tithing should not be paid but eaten. And you're the one misinterpreting God's word.

Ask mr Mark to be clear on that

This is how desperate you pastors can get when someone opposes your teaching with the truth written in the bible. You go as far as to call them the devil/demon/anti-Christ/satan's agent/end time prophets and stuff.

Your opinion is duly noted

Pastor Kun: I could offer to be your ally if your ally is not forthcoming.

Just like GEJ taking FFK for campaign coordinator in the SW

rudedough: I don't want to quote you anymore. You don't present facts only words. And if i continue quoting your rants, we might derail this interesting thread which i don't want. So please lets call a truce. **HUGS**

Cheers.

I tot so too... You and Mark should call a truce... Truth just pounced you both.


And....HELLO!!!
The thread has long been derailed!

rudedough: Bro you've got the wrong bible. There's no where in the bible where they mentioned "account books" or "nickel and dime" in Matthew 23:23. Your bible is worse channeled toward the Christian propaganda than the NKJV. You should check it bro.

What version of the bible are you using?

See Excuses na... So those who translated the Message translation were 'tithers' or were they drunk or where they blind or...?

Chai!!!
nothing I no go hear from anti tithers...all in a bid to nullify tithing!

rudedough: This is really sad! The debate is a healthy one, and i have not disrespected your God in any way. Why demonize someone because of his choice of religion? [size=32pt] There're good Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Judaists, Rastafarian etc. Do you think God won't find a place for them in heaven?
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Have an opened heart Bro. I didn't see Jesus calling unbelievers demons in the bible. Is this how Jesus taught you to show God's love?

Listen to the message bro, not the preacher. And put some love in your heart.

No he won't ...the ONLY way to heaven is Jesus Christ...no more, no less

rationalmind: Read this response I gave someone on another thread.
Pay attention to the bolded.




Now how is that this:

Religion
1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman
controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
2. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural
power or powers regarded as creator and
governor of the universe

Ummmm



Didn't understand nada bro!

Mark Miwerds: Took a while to listen to all the posts after waking. Heard this one and had to reply.

I do believe that there was a command to pay tithes. Notice the following verse:

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In the above verse, our Lord rebuked the Pharisees for their neglecting the weightier matters of the Mosaic/Levitic Law, admonishing them, "these ye ought to have done." But in the same verse, we see that He commended them for paying tithes, telling them "do not leave the other undone." They were to pay their tithes.

So, I do believe tithes were paid. However, [size=16] the tithes paid were not money [/size] ... they were food. As you so rightly pointed out, they were eaten.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread.

Some pretty cooked up lies uv hung up there Mr Mark...


Why would you wanna say what the bible didn't all in an attempt to nullify the validity of tithing? You said tithes paid were not money, but the bible said monies were. Or dime and nickel aint currency? Or was Jesus just being metaphorical?
or using a hyperbole? Educate me pls


Matt 23v23 MSG

23 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and
Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, [size=16pt] tithing on every nickel and dime you get, [/size] but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it.

rationalmind: Atheism is not a religion

Tot as much...then WTH are you guys doing in religion section? Evn trying to have bragging rights?

You guys shd be in science section or general or Jokes or even literature section.


*just thinking out loud

...
Heaven sings for you today,sir, ...

#Gloooooooooooooooooray

Atheism?

Bidam: An evil tree does NOT produce good fruit.tis all deception.

Gbamest

..Sadly, they can't know it

Joagbaje: Hence the release of abuses and insults
It's desperation

Gbam!!

Mark Miwerds: Truth does not become a lie just because an atheist, or even a demon, speaks it.

Hmmm

I'd choose a 'lie' from God than a 'Truth' from demons/devils

miqos02: if this is true why are non tithers accussed of robbing God?

ask God that...

Preserved In Him · Saturday, December 7th ·

Pastor Chris

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith (Hebrews 11:7).


In Genesis, the Lord directed Noah to build an ark because judgment was coming on the world. While he was building, the people scoffed at him because there was no sign of rain. "Will God actually destroy the world with water?" they asked, jeering at him. Noah wasn’t dissuaded however; he carried on till he completed the ark. The Lord had instructed him saying, "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth" (Genesis 7:2-3).

Noah did accordingly, and soon as he got into the ark with his family, and all the animals, God shut the door after them. Shortly, it got cloudy, and windy; and the rains began to fall until the whole world was submerged in the ensuing deluge. The people thought it would stop, but it didn’t, until it destroyed all men and animals on earth. However, not so for the ark and those in it: the higher the water rose, the higher it lifted the ark and made it easy for it to glide along. The same water that destroyed others, preserved Noah and his family; because they were in the ark.

That ark is symbolic of Christ. To be in Christ is to be in God’s secret place of rest and protection. Psalm 91:1-2 says, "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust."

Christ is your refuge! If you’re in Him, you have nothing to fear because you’re in safety. There may be a social or economic flood destroying men’s lives today, but the same waters will bear you up and preserve you.

Confession  

I dwell in Christ, in the secret place of the Most High, where I’m protected under the shadow of the Almighty; my Refuge and my Fortress, in whom I confidently trust! I have no fears, because He’s my safe haven!

f u r t h e r s t u d y: 1 Peter 3:20-21

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : Jude 1:1-25, Ezekiel 24-26

2 Year Reading Plan : John 18:19-27, 2 Chronicles 15-16

rudedough: Of course Stella Odua will never allow an interview with Sahara Reporters. Same way Pastors won't want to have a healthy debate about tithing with someone who knows the bible. Last i checked, this thread was inviting NLers to a "Theological Discuss On Tithing".

Christians deserve to know the truth, i know an average Nigerian wakes up in the morning and goes about his/her struggle. It gets so busy that they just don't have the time to sit and read the bible except on Sundays when they go and listen to their Pastors. It's sad to know however, that these Pastors they trust lie to them every Sunday.

Pastors please stop stealing from poor people.

And you guys are the 'truth' tellers

You guys are 'not so busy' n hence 'sit and read' the bible.

God now sent you guys on a message "Go and tell the world that tithing is so wrong, Pastors are 'killing my flock' "?

^^
He's sure a gift to this generation.

Tnk you bro!

Joagbaje: You asked for scripture you got one so good night. I guess you're one of bros many multiple ids posing to be an atheist . And of you're reAlly atheist you have no business in doctrinal discussion except the message of your soul salvation .

Spot on!

Very true

www.nairaland.com/1546089/today-pastor-chris-oyakhilomes-birthday...write#20047998

Pls move this to the front page. Thanks ma'am


Good 9t

To God be the glory as you add another year. I would
like to say a big thank you for all your teaching’s
from Rhapsody of Realities, your books, DVD, radio online,
Pastor Chris online, including all your messages on
Yookos, TV, Satellite TV etc ...these teaching's has change my life, help me to
understand the Word of God and has given me peace &
health, prosperity etc.

My wish for you is that the God of our Lord
Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, that He may continue
to grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation of insight
into mysteries and secrets in the deep and intimate
knowledge of Him, and use you to continue to change lives.

May God bless you more and more, may the coming year
be full of new discoveries of God’s love and goodness.
Thanks be to God for the gifts that he has given you and
may you celebrate them many more years. May God
bless you and your family. Wishing you a very HAPPY
BIRTHDAY Sir, may God continue to bless you with lots of happiness,
good health and success in the world through spreading the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ . We love you Sir.


#BLW Nation
#Gloooooooray

Kindly drop your birthday wishes and prayers....

God bless y'all