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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris LIVE At Benny Hinn Ministries by Gombs(op): 9:01am On Jan 28, 2017
Pastor Chris Shares on : Five Solid Facts of the Gospel.

He says, these are my cogitations, these my Sunesis.

1. The New Birth and External Life
Eternal life and the new birth is a fact. John 3:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17,
1John 5:11-12

2. The Righteousness of God is a Fact. The righteousness of God is the will and nature of the father. Divinity manifested in humanity. It is God life and love expressed in you. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. The unveiling of His glory.

3. The dominion of Christ. Christ reigns in my life, He speaks through me. God has given us dominion over all things.
Philipians 2:5

4. The Fellowship of the Spirit. Always speak in tongues, steer up the power in you as you fellowship with the Spirit. We have the best widely spread daily devotional in the world because of the fellowship of the Spirit.

5. The Ascension of Christ and the promise of His return. Act 1:8 Jesus levitated from the earth into the Clouds and into Heaven and promised to come back again.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris LIVE At Benny Hinn Ministries by Gombs(op): 8:20am On Jan 28, 2017
donnie:
Hahaaa! Pastor Chris don scatter place for dia o... shocked
Dem neva chichonchin grin
The authority of the Spirit is just amazing... Ah


Did you hear the prayer for Donald Trump?
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris LIVE At Benny Hinn Ministries by Gombs(op): 5:17am On Jan 28, 2017
I'm connected live... It's just amazing

LoveWorld Plus and CEFLIX... I no wan hear stories
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 5:07am On Jan 28, 2017
Be Conscious Of Your Divinity - Saturday, January 28th

Pastor Chris

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world (1 John 4:17).

Theveryfact that you’re born again means you’re not an ordinary person, because you have in you the same life that God has. The God-life is in you. When Jesus walked the earth, He had this consciousness. In John 6:38, He said: “For I came down from heaven….” What audacity! Everyone knew Him as the son of Mary and Joseph the Carpenter, yet He declared He came down from heaven. Only a man who knows who He really is speaks this way.

This is how you must think, talk, and live. Be conscious of your divine heritage and identity. You hail from God: “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them…” (1 John 4:4). When it says, “Ye are of God…,” it doesn’t mean you’re on God’s side, but that your origin is in God. Your ancestry or parentage is Christ. So, like the Lord Jesus, speak with confidence and authority in affirming who you are.

In John 8:12, He said, “I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” What a statement! But did you know Jesus also spoke about you and said: “You are the light of the world?” (Matthew 5:14). Therefore, you ought to declare with boldness, “I am the light of the world!” Be conscious of who you are in Christ; be bold to call yourself what God has called you.

Jesus gave us an example to follow; of how to live victoriously in the earth. His consciousness of His divinity controlled everything He said and did. You also can live as successfully as He did by following this principle. Become conscious of the God-life in you, and boldly speak accordingly. Philemon 1:6 tells us, “That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every goodu thing which is in you in Christ Jesus."

Prayer...
Dear heavenly Father, I thank you for the eternal life that has been granted me, and I live that life now. Because I’m conscious of the life of God in me, no sickness, disease or infirmity can successfully stay in my body. The life of Christ is evidently manifested in me, from glory to glory, in the Name of the Lord Jesus. Amen.

Further Study:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 19:16-20:16, Exodus 15

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 10:23-33, Genesis 28
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 5:05am On Jan 28, 2017
petra1:
Can I ask a simple question? What was the scripture that they used in Paul's day?
They used emmm.... Something sha, it wasn't the law.... Emmmm


Junia, oya, what was the name of the scriptures them Paul used... Remind us please. grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 5:04am On Jan 28, 2017
Junia:
Yes
The tithes are given to the bishops
They are full time

Their needs must be provided but not through tithes
But free will giving
Galatians 6:6 read it
You give what you have not neccesirily 10 percent
And i make sure i participate fully during Galatians 6:6 day where we provide for our Preciding Bishop ( Dag Heward Mills )
Lies, simply humble yourself and go ask your pastor.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 5:03am On Jan 28, 2017
petra1:
You're not a member there , you don't have a pastor . You can't say you're fully devoted and you don't do what is taught there . Just say you attend the service but not devoted .

Have you taken out time to ask your pastor clarification on tithes
These are what the Bible called "mixed multitude"

Suddenly, he is fully devoted but does not do all 'his church' teaches... How 'smart'
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 5:01am On Jan 28, 2017
Junia:
In addition, we might even say that these Levites-- the ones who collect the tithe--paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him.

Check the scripture well
Maybe you didn't understand it well
According to the law of tithing levites are the ones whp take tithes
This scripture also confirms that

"Give these instructions to the Levites: When you receive from the people of Israel the tithes I have assigned as your allotment, give a tenth of the tithes you receive--a tithe of the tithe--to the LORD as a sacred offering.

The levites also pay tithe to the high priest just as Abraham did



But that is not what we are adressing now
Tithing is a law .. period
So why do you practise a law though there is no levite now to receive the tithe ??
Is it that you don't know how to read?

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

What is difficult here to understand biko?

If tithing is a law, how then or what law justifies levites paying tithe to Melchizedek through Abraham? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 4:58am On Jan 28, 2017
alchemist13:
What's so ironic about posts like this is that they are the same people that will criticize critics and atheists for quoting the Bible out of context and then go on to quote the Bible out of context.
Epp us quote it in context
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 4:58am On Jan 28, 2017
petra1:
Hebrews 7:9 (KJV Strong's)
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Thank God for scriptures like this . They said would have maintained it's not tithe . It's war booty . They wanted to kill the evidence . Just as some people who wanted to kill Lazarus after Jesus raised him . cool.

John 12:10 (KJV Strong's)
10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;



Satan you can't put tithing to death . You can't put offerings to death .you can't put worship of God to death in the name of any strange doctrine
Don't mind them... The writer must have forgotten to write

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham who paid war booty as tithe and once.

grin grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 4:55am On Jan 28, 2017
Junia:
Funny
We obey them in the Lord
If my leader is a sexual immoralist he teaches me to do same should i obey him
I read the bible and i know the truth
Thus, i cannot be deceived
So, you're saying God talks to you more than your pastor?
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris LIVE At Benny Hinn Ministries by Gombs(op): 4:53am On Jan 28, 2017
Seun:
I wonder if Benny Hinn will let Pastor Chris have the full support of his despicable miracle testimony generation team profiled on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/cb6fp/i_have_a_depressing_story_about_a_faith_healer/
Why can't I upload pictures here? Any new way of doing so?

Thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris LIVE At Benny Hinn Ministries by Gombs(op): 4:52am On Jan 28, 2017
donnie:
I'm connected live and direct on ceflix. Wouldnt miss this one.
Weldone bro... wink
Christianity Etc › Pastor Chris LIVE At Benny Hinn Ministries by Gombs(op): 7:45pm On Jan 27, 2017
Join the man of God on a special global telecast, 'Pastor Chris LIVE at Benny Hinn Ministries'!

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'Pastor Chris LIVE at Benny Hinn Ministries' kicks off in about 14 hours. The man of God, Reverend (Dr.) Chris Oyakhilome, will be ministering LIVE from Pastor Benny Hinn's 'This Is Your Day' studio in Los Angeles, California, touching millions around the world in a combined impact of Benny Hinn Ministries' station and LoveWorld platforms/stations.

The special event, which begins at 7pm today, Friday, January 27, in Los Angeles will be accessible LIVE via Pastor Chris Online, CeFLIX, LoveWorld USA, LoveWorldSAT, LoveWorld TV UK, LoveWorld Plus. Due to differences of timezones, the timing of the LIVE broadcast will be Saturday, January 28, at 3am in the United Kingdom, 4am in Nigeria and 5am in South Africa.

The occurrence of this monumental event, to be seen LIVE by millions all over the world this early in the year is consistent with the message of the Spirit to us when He declared it 'the Year of Flourishing'!

Prepare to watch the broadcast via the platforms available, as LoveWorld News provides real-time updates from the event. Share expectations on KingsChat and other social media platforms with #PCLiveatBHM!
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:42pm On Jan 27, 2017
Junia:
Im a lighthouse member
Fully devoted
They pay tithes but i don't
But i give to support our healing jesus campain to preach the gospel
I fulfill Galatians 6:6 by providing for my pastor though he doesn't really need it
That is what the bible requires from believers
Free will giving
According to the law of tithing, tithed are given to levites(both priests and workers), foreigners, the poor, fatherless, and eaten by the tither.

Now you pay tithes to your Pastor
Is your Pastor representing any of the listed people above ??
Certainly not
So why do you tithe ??
Why do you go back to the law ??
If want to pay tithe then obey the rest of the laws so that you will not be a debtor to the law
I've answered all these... I don't want to be any more redundant as you've tried to make me.

Meanwhile... Why rebel? Don't you have Hebrews 13:17 in your Bible ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:39pm On Jan 27, 2017
Junia:
Is there a levite to reveive it ??
If Yes then i will tithe
How many times will you have to be schooled that tithing preceeded Levites, who Bible said paid tithes to Melchizedek through Abraham? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:58pm On Jan 27, 2017
Junia:
A believer is not required to tithe because it is a law
Wrong


And according to the law, tithe is agricultural products and must be given to levites, poor, widow and eat it during feasts
This is the law
Wrong... Did you know tithes was paid in cash too under the law?

There is nothing like kingdom principles
If you think there is something like that, prove with a scripture
You've not understood plain Bible text... Let's not get ahead biko
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:56pm On Jan 27, 2017
Junia:
The word of God
At that time they have written alot of letters to the church already
And the OT was there at that time

But note the difference
When following the law, you will honour your parents because of the law

When following Christ, you will honour your parents because you love them
Hahahahahahahahahahabahahahababab


OK... What of


But note the difference
When following the law, you will tithe because of the law

When following Christ, you will tithe because you love him
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:54pm On Jan 27, 2017
petra1:
Tithers are not complaining. They know the benefit of their giving. It's non givers who complain for givers grin grin grin
Abi o.. They can't understand why someone will go to church and give a tithe of 1 million naira... So, they hate on.

Secondly clergymen are the number 1 tithers and givers .let me tell you the money of clergy is not through tithe . What we give to God . Is used for the house of God .
These folks don't have a pastor... If they do, they're rebellious even when taught. Most of them don't visit churches or are submitted there.

A clearly man lives by what he preaches . He gives and receives. Clergy who doesn't give. Can't have . The allowance a full time clearly receive is minimal . Let's not go there .
Forget these children of disobedience... They'd live according to the quality of their words here. Amen
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:51pm On Jan 27, 2017
annunaki2:
The only thing peculiar about tithing in churches today is that it is deliberate pious fraud instigated against believers by the clergy that is supposed to be forthright.
Have you been defrauded?

Are the defrauded complaining?

Are You smarter than the defrauded?

grin grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:50pm On Jan 27, 2017
plainbibletruth:
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We are waiting for Petra1 and his camp - Gombs, et al to give a simple clear answer.

When they claim to know but cannot provide a straightforward answers to questions then something must be wrong somewhere.
Lets however hope that this time around they will be civil and honest enough not to find reason(s) to 'check out'.
Why mention me, please?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:47pm On Jan 27, 2017
Junia:
And we are no longer under the law
So we just love everybody
That is what God demands
So, God selects what we should over in the law and what not, yet Jesus has abolished the law?
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 3:11pm On Jan 27, 2017
"Seize Eternal Life" - Friday, January 27th

Pastor Chris

Fight the good fight of faith, LAY HOLD on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses (1 Timothy 6:12)

The underlined portion of our opening scripture, as rendered in the Greek, is “epilambanomai.” It means to take a hold of something without letting go. Here, the Apostle Paul takes a step further from what we read in 1 John 5:13, which we studied in our previous lesson. He says, “Don’t just be aware that you have eternal life; seize eternal life; take possession of it.” In other words, don’t let it be a mere theoretical knowledge to you.

Someone may be singing, “I’ve got the life of God in me…” but he’s not walking in the consciousness of that life, nor acting like it. Every now and then, he gripes, “You know, I’ve had this migraine headache that has been with me for fifteen years.” No one who’s taken a hold of eternal life talks like that. Eternal life is the God-life; it’s incorruptible. It can’t be tainted, defiled or corrupted by sickness, disease, failure, death or the devil. It’s the divine life.

You might be praying, “Oh God, please take away this sickness from me”; that may not change anything. You might say, “But God says ‘I’ll take sickness away from among you’”; He already did that in Christ Jesus. In God’s eyes, you’re already perfect, even though you might be going through trials, pains, and difficulties. To Him, you’ve been perfected in Christ Jesus. He sees you the way He sees Jesus. In His sight, there’s nothing wrong with you.

Therefore, align yourself with His thoughts and visions, through the Word, and declare, “I’m perfected in Christ Jesus; I refuse to accommodate any sickness, disease or pain in my body, because I have the life of God in me! I’ve taken hold of eternal life.”

You’re an associate of the God-kind; the life and nature of God have been imparted into your spirit. Now that you’re born again, you have eternal life in you. You’re not going to have it after you’ve prayed, and struggled to please God. It’s in your spirit now! Live in this consciousness and stand up to who you are in Christ.

Confession...
I’ve taken a hold of eternal life. Therefore, it doesn’t matter the trials, pains, and difficulties in the world, I’m unperturbed because I live in, and by, the Word of God. My life is the revelation of the graces and realities of the Word! I live triumphantly over sickness, disease, Satan, and the systems of this world, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 John 1:1-2
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto uswink

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 19:1-15, Exodus 13-14

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 10:12-22, Genesis 27
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 7:50pm On Jan 26, 2017
BERNIMOORE:
don't run away oga! You earlier claimed in your post that "Jesus belong to an order of priesthood" but failed to tell us "the order of priesthood" it is very important to this discussion because of the The strange claim that Abraham paid tithe"through that strange priesthood order" so tell us the"priesthood order" that Jesus belong or we assume that your heresies about pre law tithes superseding the law are mere ruse which you are not very sure of.
Figure it out
Car Talk › Re: The Beast: 9 Things To Know About President Trump’s Inherited Limo by Gombs(m): 3:41pm On Jan 26, 2017
Cool... I'm very very impressed
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:40pm On Jan 26, 2017
BERNIMOORE:
please tell us what you mean by 'order of priesthood' of jesus and support it with bible verses if you are very sure of yourself!
See why I don't want to discuss with you? You DO NOT have the faintest idea of this topic, why should I indulge you any further?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 3:39pm On Jan 26, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
You dont know which side, truly your bread is buttered, that's why you're holding briefcase for petra1 joagbaje
If you did, you wont be on petra1's side but will be on God's side and by the testimony of His undiluted word

This line isnt original as I first it used for petra1
I stated this on a preceded post on this thread, but petra1 deemed it being insultive,
but it's now confirmed there at least two on this thread who consistently are FAMOUSLY either playing being ignorant or behaving in untrustworthy or deceitful manners

SMH, ''the offering up of the Gentiles'' has nothing to do with them offering money
but is figuratively talking about the Gentiles'' being sacrifices themselves similarly to when animal sacrifies or offering were given,
this following our Lord Jesus Christ, and whose Ultimate sacrifice we are expected in spirit, mind and body we are all to emulate

If you were adhering to the train and flow of post between petra1 and mine, you would have noticed it was about petra1 claiming that collection is offering (i.e. And what is the collection called? No bi offering? - petra1)
and him embarrassingly using Acts 24:17 to back his claim that Paul offering in that verse was money. SMH
Read or familiarise yourself the subsequent posts on the Nazirite vow Paul did offering for

SMH, smh smh, continue, continue ooo, continue smearing egg on your face
''thusia'' - sacrifice and ''phosphora'' - offering, are closely associated in meaning

Above when he said,
Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

- Hebrews 10:8 KJV

So in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 and particularly Hebrews 10:8, please tell me, is ''Sacrifice and offering'' talking about money?
Tell me please wherein in that Hebrews 10:8 text or elsewhere, is ''money therein; are offered by the law''

It's you erring big time, as it isnt called offering but apart from being collection, it also, is called contributions, which are voluntarily given, as decided in the heart, under no compulsion and for the support of the poor etcetera

Alms is also used for the relief of the poor, contributions is also used for the relief of the poor, but you wont find offering used for money gathered gathered for the relief of the poor

SMH, It is either carnal mind or a folly in thinking that would make anyone construe this otherwise
because monies given in services had always and originally been called collection and/or contributions

If believers are exhorted not to be worldly minded and not to be given to filthy lucre
then more the reason we should stop cheating our consciences by taking of this filthy lucre
and pack in this tithe scam charade instead of being fond of the filthy lucre

The trouble with most of these tithe marketeers can be found in Luke 5:39,
these kind of tithe marketeers are drunk on the old and thinking the old is better
Not realising that new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.
I don laugh at tire.. grin grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 1:23pm On Jan 25, 2017
[quote author=Junia post=53110946]
Hebrews 7:12
For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

The law has been changed
It is now the law of Christ
Christ taught on almost every subject
Where did He teach his disciples to tithe ??
Where did he teach about child dedication and harvest thanksgiving? Don't we practice them today? Are we sinning then, just because Jesus Didn't teach on them? That is where principle come in.

Where did Paul teach about tithe ??
Lol... Do you want me to list things he didn't teach about?

Abraham didn't tithe with his possesions
It was simply war booty
So? What did Jacob tithe with? Journey booty?

Because he didn't have much of that, he didn't continue tithing.
You're lying now.

Go and rescue people and tithe with what you get okay
Abraham was blessed beyond measures. Why didn't he tithe again with his possessions ??
Prayer at 12noon and 10pm (Local/GMT) - Wed Jan 25

In today's Rhapsody, learn more about your inheritance in Christ and never accept poverty. You can download your copy from http://rhapsodyofrealities.org

Ephesians 6:10-13 says: "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand".

For 15min at 12noon and 10pm, we'll pray fervently in the spirit for Pastors and ministers of the Gospel around the world; that the Lord would grant them more grace and supply of the spirit for the work of the ministry. Pray also in the light of this scripture for one another and for those facing health challenges, that they may be strengthened with might, by the Spirit, the Lord perfecting all that concerns them, to the glory of His Name. Amen.
Remember to attend the mid week service today in church, onsite or online. God bless you.

You're sooooooo lying
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 1:23pm On Jan 25, 2017
[quote author=Junia post=53110946]
Hebrews 7:12
For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

The law has been changed
It is now the law of Christ
Christ taught on almost every subject
Where did He teach his disciples to tithe ??
Where did he teach about child dedication and harvest thanksgiving? Don't we practice them today? Are we sinning then, just because Jesus Didn't teach on them? That is where principle come in.

Where did Paul teach about tithe ??
Lol... Do you want me to list things he didn't teach about?

Abraham didn't tithe with his possesions
It was simply war booty
So? What did Jacob tithe with? Journey booty?

Because he didn't have much of that, he didn't continue tithing.
You're lying now.

Go and rescue people and tithe with what you get okay
Abraham was blessed beyond measures. Why didn't he tithe again with his possessions ??
You're sooooooo lying
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 11:17am On Jan 25, 2017
Junia:
Jacob vowed a vow to God for safe passage, for food and clothing and this promise was conditional. Tithing was not a conditional act, it was like a tax for the nation Israel.
How conditional? He was striking a deal with God? What conditions exactly?


Again this is one time occurrence, it is never mentioned again in Jacob’s life.
Any proof? If you don't have any.. Please shut it.

There was no Levitical priesthood or tabernacle that would be necessary for a tithe.
grin grin cheesy

Was Abraham and Jacob under the law?


Just because a tenth is mentioned does not mean it is a tithe.
Please supply a better term. Remember, it wasn't a coincidence that it was the tenth part.


If i give 10% of my income to a poor man does it mean i'm tithing.
Taking a cue from other tithers in the Bible... Did they give it to the poor? We're the Levites poor folks? Was Melchizedek poor?


Tithing is something you do regularly not on a conditional basis, not once in a lifetime nor once a year.
Make up your mind. Is tithing obsolete? If yes, fine.. Of no, fine. Don't sit on the fence.

God had Moses introduce the tithe because of the priesthood and the sacrificial system and Israel being a theocracy.
Do you want to use this reason and open up a thread and invite me in?

Your reason is very off.

If tithing was before the Law then it should apply apart from the Law.
Lol... How? All that was before the law was incorporated into the law. For example, there was shedding of blood for the atonement of Adam's sin... Yeah, an animal surely died. Question is, why wasn't this applied apart from the law?

The Bible says that tithing was of the Law 400 years after Abraham . The Bible does not say that Abraham was commanded to give a tithe; the Bible does not say that Jacob was commanded to give a tithe. In fact, before Moses and the Law, the Bible does not record anyone giving tithes to God as a yearly, Monthly or weekly practice. There is No such command.
grin grin grin

So, your line of debate Now is one was commanded and the other wasn't? Lol

Did the Bible say Abraham was commanded to obey God? But he did. Did God say Abel was commanded to give his firstfruits? But he did... Etc. You need understand why the law was introduced in the first place... Let me ask, why was the law introduced sef?


If Christians are to be practicing tithing today because of Abraham then we are also obligated to keep everything that occurred before the law! Circumcision
was given to Abraham before it was incorporated in the Law of Moses.
Are you not circumcised? Won't you circumcise your son? Tell me one act of worship before the law that has been discarded... Just one.

Abraham and Jacob were circumcised
because God told them to. By the same standard of
tithing, if circumcision was practiced before the Law
then circumcision should be practiced after the Law.
Exactly.

The same observance applied to tithing should be
applied to circumcision. However the New Testament
says that circumcision was of the Law though it occured before the law and need not to be observed by Christians, we are circumcised in our heart when we believe in Jesus (Paul says in Galatians 3 not to keep the law).
Please, don't misquote Paul.... Emmm, you're circumcised, that means you're obeying the law? Paul was making a teaching because the Jews claimed the gentiles who weren't part of the covenant cannot attain salvation... That was emphasis on works. Do not come and mislead other o.

If you want to tithe, thrn circumcise as well, offer burnt offerings as well because they all existed before the law
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This fella seems irredeemably confused.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.
25 And now that the way of faith has come, we no
longer need the law as our guardian.
We're not discussing the law...
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 10:59am On Jan 25, 2017
plainbibletruth:
PRE-LAW tithing recorded in the Scripture was unforced – the Abraham’s tithe of war bounty and Jacob’s promise to pay.
The Tithing commanded in the Law is MANDATORY. E.g. Leviticus 27: 30.

One is more or less free will tithing and the other mandated. One is possibly anything, as can be seen from Abraham giving of war bounty while the other is SPECIFIC – i.e. AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE.

Now, today’s tithers say it is ONLY MONEY, at least from what is mostly bandied about today.

My question for today’s tithers then is this:
On what Biblical instruction are today’s tithers paying their tithes – is it on the ASSUMPTION that because there is tithe payment in the Bible then it is still applicable today or is there a clearly defined INSTRUCTIONS (UNDER THE NEW COVENANT) that they can point to?
Because it was paid by our Father of faith to an eternal priesthood which order Jesus is of today.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Gombs(m): 10:55am On Jan 25, 2017
Junia:
No
But at least he is a priest
A priest FOREVER... See why tithing is an eternal principle?

Do we have priests now ??
No wa o

All new creations are priests na!... So, if you like go and receive tithes, points is, tithing is very operational today.

And what was given to him was from war booty not personal income and it was only once
Do you have proof that it was once? Does the fact that it was recorded once a proof of he did it once? How about his prayer recorded once? Does that mean he prayed once?

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