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Junia:
Please what do you base your tithing on ... i mean which scripture

I'd have answered you, but you lost that chance many pages back.


Maybe ask one of your comrades to ask me.

Memorising scriptures is good spiritual exercise - Monday, February 6th

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success (Joshua 1:.

Some Christians can memorise and quote many scriptures off by heart, which is commendable. Whereas, some others erroneously assume that memorising scriptures is no longer fashionable. With the introduction of different electronic Bibles and Bible software where scriptures can be located at the click or push of a button, many Christians have relegated the importance of memorising scriptures in personal Bible study. This ought not to be so.

Learning to memorise scriptures is a very fundamental part of good Christian growth and development. Even though you have easy access to electronic Bible reference materials, you must exercise your mind to retain the Word of God. Your mind is the doorwayu to your spirit (2 Corinthians 4:4). The Word of God has to be in your consciousness to produce results in your life.

When you have read your Bible, pick out certain verses and recite them by heart. This is the beginning of meditation, and the more you do this, the more the Word will get into your spirit. The same way you took time to learn and memorise things in school, you have to discipline your mind to retain scriptures. You can set a target for yourself for the rest of the year, to memorize at least one scripture per day, and measure your progress in it. You’d be amazed at the impact it’ll have on your life!

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the impact of your Word on my spirit. As I meditate on the Word, and retain those priceless thoughts in my heart and consciousness, my profiting appears to all! I function always from a vantage point of victory, glory, success, and prosperity, where I reign and rule over circumstances, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 Timothy 4:8
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

Deuteronomy 11:18
Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

Jeremiah 15:16
Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

1-Year Bible Reading Plan:
Matthew 25:31-46, Exodus 31
2-Year Bible Reading Plan:
Matthew 12:39-50, Genesis 37

Zikkyy2:
He is not dead in the mind of the Jew's because it's not recorded anywhere that he died. If he is alive, have you considered the implication? It means two high priests are currently in office (at the same time). Christ and Melchizedek. Is that possible?

Not exactly.

But you said he's a man... Do you still maintain that, even as the Bible said he has no successors?

Mind of the Jews? You're still using "if he's alive"?

Mechizedek is a priest... Jesus is a High priest. Both of same order of priesthood.

Big difference.

Zikkyy2:
I think Petra1 should also provide the name of the priest that received Isaac's and Jacob tithe.

It's a no brainer na... If it is said Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek via Abraham... Why ask about Isaac and Jacob?

He never leaves you - Sunday, February 5th

Pastor Chris

Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORDthy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest (Joshua 1:9).

The scripture above was God’s message to Joshua, as he led the children of Israel through the wilderness. God said to him, “Be not afraid.” Why? Because there were frightful experiences in his way. But God said, “Be not afraid.” Then He took it further; He said, “…neither be thou dismayed.” When things begin to look like you’ve been defeated, don’t be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you. What an assurance!

Many years ago, I heard a story that’s remained indelibly on my mind. A Pastor told a story of how God visited a certain man in a vision. As he and the Lord walked together, the Lord assured him “I am with you no matter how difficult the journey may be.” Though he couldn’t see the Lord, he could see the footprints. As they journeyed, there were two different footprints so, he was sure the Lord was with him. Every now and then, he looked and saw the Lord’s footprints, and kept going.

At a point, things got tougher and harder. Then he looked, but this time saw only one footprint! He cried and said, “Lord, where are you? Things are worse here! How could you leave me now that I need you the most?” Then he heard the voice of God, “I’m still here.” But the man said, “No, I was seeing your footprints all along; but you’ve stopped. All I see now are my footprints.” Then God said, “No, the footprints that you see aren’t your footprints; they’re mine, because I’m now carrying you.”

What a soul-stirring response from the Lord! How loving our God is! Even when we’re not aware, and it looks like He’s left us, He’s there. The man was crying because he thought he was alone. But God was carrying him. He has said, “…I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5). At the most difficult part of the journey, He’ll carry you.

Those times you look around and don’t seem to find any sign of His presence, the Lord is there with you. He’ll never leave you nor forsake you; even when everyone else deserts you, He’s always with you. So, be encouraged; be strengthened, and be full of joy. The Lord your God is with you, and He lives in you. You’re never alone!

Prayer...
Precious and loving Father, thank you for your love and faithfulness. You’re gracious, compassionate and kind. I’m strong and very courageous in the power of your might; I’ll never be weary. Thank you for your grace and everlasting presence. I adore you with all my heart. Amen.

Further Study:
Isaiah 49:15
Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

Hebrews 13:5
[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he [it is] that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

1-Year Bible Reading Plan:
Matthew 25:1-30, Exodus 29-30

2-Year Bible Reading Plan:
Matthew 12:31-38, Genesis 36

LambanoPeace:
But if he died, then the priesthood would have a successor in Jesus, and the Bible said he has no successors. Don't you think so?

Concerning Malachi 3 from 1 to about 8.... Do you think it's prophetic, for a generation to come... Read it and see.

I think so too

plainbibletruth:
IF you first [b]CLEARLY and HONESTLY answer my questions then I assure you that yours is a 'piece of cake' to handle.

Are you game?

BTW, what did trustman do that you have this fixation on him?

Ah, never mind.

I can understand why.

plainbibletruth:
You seem to look for ways to belittle others and divert attention from main issues at hand. Yet you'd be the one to be quick at calling others 'carnal', blame them for slander, wonder if they are sane, even when you do the very same things.

What is pointless here? You know deep inside you there's nothing pointless here. That is why you've been unable to take my points one by one and address them.

Whatever position on tithing that you hold should be completely scripture based and scripture backed.

No scripture supports your 'eternal principles' claim.

You have not been able to show from scripture that the Church taught tithing.

You and your pals have only just concocted a term you hope will con others into accepting that tithing still applies today.

If you claim to belong to the church the question you should ask yourself is: How did the church in the Bible do its giving?

What was clearly revealed in the Bible as to how the church gave?

Can you apply these new testament church principles to your 'eternal principles' claim?

Yeah.. You're trustman. I see a familiar line.

But, I'm not interested in the moniker but your ideology. Your latter post caught my eye, and I intend to drive somewhere... But first...

Can you tell us why Paul had to quote the Law of Moses to validate giving to ministers in 1 Cor 9:9?

petra1:
If I need likes . I can get over 50 likes for every post. Truth is not by the number of people cheering you on.

Abi o...


More than 50likes sef.... I support your claims of him asking the admin to verify. One can't just lie against someone and still put up a defense.

MuttleyLaff:
Unless there's a desperation for ''likes'' here, please refrain from using your joagbaje alter ego ID to like your own posts
I've just watched joagbaje log in and disappear after liking your comment
Who is fooling who. Imagine liking your post by yourself

Back on the matter, all these you've mentioned need not be done
because, if you've at least accepted and publicly stated that it isnt mandatory to tithe,
it then shows that tithing on business, company tithes, you personally giving your own tithe apart from the company tithe arent afterall necessary

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2

To carry on tithing or to continue tithing is in flat contradiction to the spiritual law mentioned in Romans 8:2

Not every one is like you na. Quit such petty slander on people.

LambanoPeace:
Hello sir.

Please what's the connection between Melchizedek's order of priesthood after which Jesus is and tithing, seeing the priesthood who received it from Abraham is still alive today and forever.

Is there any connection, if yes, kindly expound... If no, kindly explain.

Thanks

Here.. Let me help you, I see he's trying to con you of the truth. I wrote this almost 4 years ago... I was actually schooling Zikkyy (who sadly didn't learn)

Zikkyy: No he is not. The few similarities are actually due to perception. Christ cannot be functioning under the priesthood of a man.

Let me school you a bit

It begins with a quick summary of the story in Genesis
14:
"This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything" ( Heb. 7:1-2 ).

First, the unusual name is explained. The Hebrew word melek means king, and tsedek means righteousness, so his name is explained as meaning "king of righteousness."
And since shalom means peace, he was also the "king of peace" (v. 2).
These titles are significant because Melchizedek prefigures Jesus Christ. Then we are told that Melchizedek was "without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever" (v. 3).

However, Melchizedek had no parents that are mentioned in Scripture. His position as priest did not depend on his parents or his genealogy (unlike the Levitical priests). His priesthood was a different kind, a different order. Similarly, Scripture says nothing about his birth or death (unlike the patriarchs, who are carefully chronicled). He did not create a dynasty of priests, each dying and passing the priesthood to a son.


Now from the above we can see that the Levite's priesthood aint same as Melchizedek's. But the bible said he had no Parents..how then did you conclude he was a man? Bible also said he like the Son of God will be a priest forever! Hence making tithing a eternal principle.

To go further

We might say today that he came out of nowhere, and then disappeared. Nevertheless, he remains known as a priest even today. "He remains a priest forever ... is declared to be living" v 3 & 8. (A similar thought may be in Luke 20:37-38 —the patriarchs are among "the living." This mysterious Melchizedek is the prototype of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 110 predicted that the Lord would be a priest in the same way: not according to genealogy, but by special appointment. This order of priests was significant in several ways:

1) it was more important than the Levitical priesthood,
2) it implied that the Levitical priesthood was temporary and
3) the new order was permanent. Greater than Levi

Although little is known about Melchizedek, we can discern that he was very important. Abraham gave him 10 percent of the spoils of war (v. 4 of Heb 7). The old covenant required the Israelites to give 10 percent to the Levites, but Abraham gave 10 percent to Melchizedek even though Melchizedek was not a Levite (vs. 5-6).

Heb 7v5-6 AMP
5  And it is true that those descendants of Levi who are charged with the priestly office are commanded in the Law to take tithes from the people--which means, from their brethren--though these have descended from Abraham. 6  But this person (melchizedek) who has not their Levitical ancestry received tithes from Abraham [himself] and blessed him who possessed the promises [of God].

The man was getting priestly honors before Levi was even born.From this, I constructs a hypothetical argument: "One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor" (vs. 9-10).

We all know that Levi didn't actually pay tithes to Melchizedek, but in a figure of speech he did. The point is that Abraham is greater than Levi, since Abraham is Levi's ancestor, and Melchizedek is greater than Abraham, since Abraham paid tithes to him, so Melchizedek is greater than Levi.

Verses 6-7 emphasize Melchizedek's greatness: He not only received a tithe, he also blessed Abraham.

"And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater." NIV

Abraham is the lesser person—but the real point of comparison being made is with Levi. Since Melchizedek is greater than Abraham, he is also greater than Levi, and—most important for the book of Hebrews—his priesthood is more important than the Levitical priesthood. The Levitical priests die, but Jesus has been made a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek, a priesthood that is more important for
our salvation.
Now let's see how a new priesthood implies a new law

Now I observe that "if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?" (v.11). I await your answer o!

Note in the middle of verse 11 that the law was given on the basis of the priesthood. The law was designed with the Levitical priesthood in mind—the law and the
priesthood went together. But neither the law nor the priests could bring people to perfection. That is why
Psalm 110 spoke of another priesthood.

The descendants of Aaron would be replaced by a better priesthood, a better priest—and that has enormous consequences:

"For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law" (v. 12).

Q: What law was changed?
A: The law that said only
Levites could be priests.

Q: Which law said that?
A: The old
covenant.

Q: Do we follow the new Priest?
A: Yes

Q: of which order is he?
A: Melchizedek

Q: Did the order of Melchizedek receive tithe and blessed?
A: yes

Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written to the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the tithes?
A:

Q: did levital priests bless the tithers?
A:

But first, let me make certain basic facts clear.

"He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar" (v. 13).

We are speaking about Jesus, of
whom it is said that he is a priest after the order of
Melchizedek—but Jesus was not a Levite. He belonged
to the tribe of Judah, and no one from that tribe was
ever a priest, and Moses did not authorize anyone from
Judah to be a priest (v. 14).

"And what we have said"—that is, that the law has been
changed—"is even more clear if another priest like
Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not
on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the
basis of the power of an indestructible life" (vs. 15-16).

Jesus was appointed as priest not by a law that focused on genealogy, but because he lives forever at God's right hand. From this fact alone, we can see that the
Law of Moses is no longer in force (levitical priesthood and their law of tithing).

"The former regulation is set aside because it was weak
and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a
better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to
God" (vs. 18-19).

Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to (the order of) Mechizedek?

Because his priesthood continues forever
Because Jesus is of same priesthood
Because Jesus and Melchizedek are priests with no genealogy
Because Melchizedek is not a levite whose priesthood were truncated
Because though Levi was from Abraham's loin folks still thought he paid to Mechizedek (Heb 7v9-10 AMP), hence reference was still made to Melchizedek, Why? Cos he has no roots, no genealogy, he was immortal


Don't come here and lie that he was a man!

https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/16#18543280

Goshen360:
A standing ovation to you!

Coming from a man who said

1. Melchizedek is dead
2. Was born of parents just that it wasn't recorded.
3.etc



#WehdoneSir

plainbibletruth:
TODAY'S TITHER

1. Today’s tithing as pushed by TITHERS AND CHURCHES is fraudulent and mischievous.
2. The Malachi tithe was one and the same as that found in the Law of Moses.
3. NOTHING in the Law of Moses on tithing specified MONETARY TITHING.
4. ONLY AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE were tithed.
5. Changing WHAT, WHERE & WHO to pay tithe to by today’s churches means TWISTING the word of God for selfish gain.
6. None of those who push tithing can show that the Apostles practiced it nor the early church generations that followed them.
7. When they are cornered by explanation of Malachi passage they resort to “Kingdom Principles” or “Eternal Principles” – phrases they cannot explain.
8. Today’s tithers claim to be under the New Covenant yet they REFUSE to follow anything in the BLUEPRINT for the New Covenant – the epistles which actually explains what the SHADOW of the Old Covenant represented.
9. Instead they ‘copy and paste’ from here and there to soothe their consciences, even where it is against God’s clear mandate. As long as they like it or they think they are getting ‘results’ they justify their position.
10. Majority of today’s tithers do it because of any of the following:
- Fear instilled in them by pastors.
- Claims that some benefit comes from it.
- Pressure of one form or the other
- Lack of knowledge of the Christian life in the New Covenant.
11. Under the New Covenant EVERY CHRISTIAN is a priest (1 Peter 2: 5, 9) PASTORS only hold different position BECAUSE of their SPIRITUAL GIFTS. Therefore even if – and that’s a big ‘if’ for that matter – tithing were to be applied to the church, all PRIESTS should be partakers of it.
12. Tithers of today have CLOSED their eyes to how the church gave and administered what believers gave as stated in the Bible. NONE of them follow their example, NONE. How come?

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and
do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery"
Galatians 5: 1

You write and behave like trustman


Pointless and redundant. I can as well say, Hello Trustman

A Mentality Of Prosperity - Saturday, February 4th .

Pastor Chris

And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger… (Leviticus 19:9-10).

In the above scripture, God was giving some instructions to the children of Israel on what they should do when they harvest their grains. He said to them, “..Thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.” In other words, “Don’t harvest everything; don’t gather the gleanings.” He didn’t want them scratching for the leftovers; and it was a law. They were to leave some in the field, for the poor, the fatherless, and the widows.

There’re people who don’t know why they haven’t made much progress in their lives. Some of them have prayed and prayed, yet no change. But you see, God doesn’t fellowship with a man who has a mentality of poverty. There’s a mentality of prosperity and there’s a mentality of poverty. For instance, some people would use their clothes until those clothes are torn to tatters. How sad! It could be any personal belonging; they use it until it’s not good enough to be given to someone else. Such a mentality attracts poverty, and it has kept many in a despicable state for a long time.

Whatever God blesses you with, no matter how small or big it is, when you use it, let it be good enough for someone else. When you give such things to others, be sure they’re in an excellent state to be used with dignity. That’s the way to live. There should never be anything that you own that you can’t give out.

God wants you to always be a blessing to others who aren’t as blessed as you are. There’re things you haven’t used in a long while, yet you’re keeping them. That’s not a prosperity attitude. Do the Word; get into your closet and search out belongings you’ve piled up and probably wouldn’t even use for another one or two years. Give them out, and watch your life take an upward dive.


Prayer...
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed me with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ! I have received of His fullness, grace heaped upon grace. I’m a blessing to those around me, and as a result, I grow bigger and stronger in prosperity, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Proverbs 11:24 ESV
One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 24:36-51, Exodus 28

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 12:22-30, Genesis 35

Wow..

A good read after all this while.

Walk In His Light - Thursday, February 2nd .

Pastor Chris

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

To walk in the light is to walk in the light of God’s Word. It means to walk in the light of those things that are consistent with God’s provisions for the new creation as revealed by the Word. If we’re not walking in the light, there’s no fellowship because light is inconsistent with darkness.

The Word reveals, for example, that as new creations, we have justification. You’re to walk in the light of your justification. You’ve been made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:21). You’re to walk in the light of your righteousness. To walk in the light of your righteousness means that you’re walking in consistency with what God thinks; His light about righteousness.

God’s light about righteousness is that, it’s a gift that’s imparted into anyone who believes in Jesus Christ. So, you can say, “Father, I dwell in your light; in your light, righteousness is a gift that’s given to everyone who believes in Jesus Christ; therefore, I have that gift in the Name of Jesus. I am righteous. Hallelujah.” That’s walking in His light.

The carnal man however walks by his senses. He says, “I just don’t feel like God is with me today; my prayers aren’t even going high enough. Oh Father, I’m struggling.” You see, he contradicts the Word of God by declaring himself a struggler, not conscious that the Bible says those who have entered into God’s rest have ceased from their struggles (Hebrews 4:10). He interprets his life through his own senses, and God‘s Word has nothing to do with your senses.

Being born again, you’re not of the flesh; “…they that are in the flesh cannot please God” (Romans 8:. You’re to walk by the Spirit, not by your feelings. Romans 8:13 says “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” This isn’t talking about physical death; it’s talking about spiritual death. That means you’ll be cut off from God; you’ll find yourself struggling. But if you walk in God’s light, in His Word, you’ll live, rule and reign as a king.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for enlightening me through your Word, to walk on the path of life. Your Word is light and glory; as I meditate and live by the Word, I am transformed into the glorious image that I behold therein. There’s no darkness in me; I enjoy a sweet and rich fellowship with the Word and your Spirit, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study :
Psalm 36:9 For with thee [is] the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:

Psalm 119:105 NUN. Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 23, Exodus 24-25

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 12:1-9, Genesis 33

Your True Value - Wednesday, February 1st .

Pastor Chris

And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth (Luke 12:15).

Some people rate or value themselves according to the amount of money they have. So, always, they’re punching the calculator to know their financial worth. If your value is according to some money, then you’re putting your life at some great risk. How can you subject your life to the uncertain and ever unstable monetary system of the world?

Your true value is the Word of God that’s in your spirit. You’ve got to know and have the Word in you. With the Word in you, your success is assured no matter what happens around you. You’ll stay afloat like the ark of Noah that rose higher and higher as it rained and the waters increased, so that the same water that drowned others, buoyed him up. This shows that the circumstances responsible for sinking people’s businesses and careers today will be for your promotion!

What you need to live victoriously at every count in these latter days is the deposit of God’s Word in your spirit. If you deposit the Word in your spirit long enough, others will take notice of you and ask, “What manner of man is this?” because you’ll literally be “walking on water.” No matter the situation, you stay above only.

Colossians 3:16 says, “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Your confidence should only rest in how much of the Word of Christ you have in you, not how much money you have in your bank account. Remember, you become the Word of God that you receive into your spirit, and that’s your real value. As you allow the Word to dominate you, it’ll give you the mentality of a victor such that no matter what happens, you’ll remain strong and unfazed.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for showing me my true value in your Word. The entrance of your Word floods my heart with light and brings brilliance and beauty into my life. Your Word is deeply rooted in my heart and it grows, prevails and produces results in every area of my life, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

Further Study:
Timothy 6:17
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

Joshua 1:8
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 22:15-46,
Exodus 22-23

2-Year Bible Reading Plan:Matthew 11:21-30,
Genesis 32

brocab:
Are you such a coward you are asking others to answer for you Mr Gomb? How much money do you tithers need, before you seek the truth about God.
The answer is so simple for those who know the truth...

I think we're done here.

You posted a video that said tithers and their pastor's are going to hell. I asked you if you endorsed it... Na him you begin beat around the bush..

Bro, no vex, abeg shift make I pass.

brocab:
To be truthful I wouldn't mind if Mr Gombs would answer this question. But since you aren't sure about the answer of this simple question either. and Mr Gombs is backing away from it.
Then I will leave it to you to answer it for him, since you yourself is a tither How much money do you need before you seek the truth about God.
Its simple, answer this and the truth will reveal itself?

Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeeeew


LambanoPeace, forget this guy.

hopefulLandlord:
even they know the blood of their fictional Jesus can't protect them against shotgun bullet to the head

fictional Jesus powers can only work against fictional attacks like "Spiritual arrows of the enemy", "Spiritual poisons", " Enemies of my father's house", "Enemies from my father's house", " Spiritual bullets" etc

I. Knew you'd bring your atheism here.

And then try to smear Jesus. It's boring you know.!

peacesamuel94:
Caution is not fear.

Tell them

Ranchhoddas:
Of what use then is divine protection?

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When you attempt to use Peter's cutting off of someone's ear as justification, why do you always leave out the fact that Jesus rebuked him and said the could call down legions of angels to His rescue if He so desired?

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This cherry-picking no good o!

Why did God give you brains?

petra1:
SECURITY IS COMMON SENSE

There had been so much criticism about security of MOGs as regards security. As much as it's carnal to be parading armed men Just for swag . However . Security is common sense for anyone who sense a threat to life and property. Either you are MOG Or church members . Anyone who sense danger around him should take precautionary measures. There is God part in protection and there is mans part .

Many critics use Jesus and the apostles as example but how much do you know about the measures they took to protect themselves ?

Because of the constant threat and attempts on Jesus , His disciples carried arms . Where did Peter get his sword from .

John 18:10 (KJV)
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.


Jesus himself had encouraged them to get swords for protection.

Luke 22:36 (KJV)
. . . and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22:38 (KJV)
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

John 10:39
Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

There had been other precautionary measure Jesus took. Like avoiding dangerous places.
John 7:1 (AMPC)
1 AFTER THIS, Jesus went from place to place in Galilee, for He would not travel in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him.

Other times Jesus also had to escape or hid from assailants

John 8:59
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

It's common sense to protect yourself in the face of threat . When your time is up and your MINISTRY is done then you can offer yourself like paul and Jesus. But remember paul once hid in a basket for safety

PAUL

Acts 9:24-25 (KJV)
24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. 25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket.

Acts 9:24-25
But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket.

But when they finished their ministry they yielded themselves.

John 10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


2 Timothy 4:6-8
For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing

I've always maintained that Peter was Jesus' CSO, no wonder when Jesus was speaking of His death, Peter made bold that it'd not happen while he was present.

Alot of people think Jesus and His disciples were some fragile looking slim guys, on the contrary.. Imagine a man who singlehandedly chased folks outta the temple (Bible recorded He did it alone).. Imagine his stature and audacity.

But, many a time, Jesus' life had been threatened and He escaped death many a time too. I once asked folks why he was with Peter, James and John always... Folks said because they are the most spiritual... But I doubt. Considering these folks past job and how energetic it was, one could be imagine their stature.

But, today, alot of Christians believe MOGs should not have security details, why? Because He's a preacher and it'd be 'pride'. They'd say Jesus and Paul needn't one... Etc


I wonder if thieves and criminals have a brigade of security details, even in their dubious dealings, why can't an honest MOG have one?

Then live to hear "Militants kidnapped the Regional Pastor of RCCG" or read that "extremists beat up a Bishop Oyedepo" or "Pastor Chris was mobbed by crowd during a crusade and bodily harm and personal effects stolen."

They'd say "Don't they believe God can save them?".. Like you said, it's common sense, but some people would rather prefer MoGs to be without security details

Ah.... I was thinking in same line. I have some pointers too.

Let me get to my desk first

LambanoPeace:
Answer yes or no please. I'm very interested in this answer too. Thank you.

Epp me ask him to be plain... I tire for this stunt.

Receive Your Supply For Today - Tuesday, January 31st

Pastor Chris

Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah (Psalm 68:19).

In Matthew Chapter 6, Jesus gave His disciples a format on how to pray, and in verse 11, He said, “Give us this day our daily bread.” When He taught them this format of prayer, He hadn’t died on the cross; the New Testament hadn’t started, because a will doesn’t come into existence until the death of the testator. After the death of Jesus Christ, the New Testament was sealed; meaningful that every provision from His will had become legal; you could now take advantage of it.

Jesus’ teaching in that prayer does suggest that every day, in the mind of God, there’s a blessing for you; there’s more than enough supply for you every day. Ever since you were born again and you received Christ, there’s been a daily supply for you; that’s what “daily bread” means; the Master wasn’t talking about a loaf of bread.

That means you probably have a pile of unused supplies with God; supplies and benefits from God that you never took advantage of. Read our opening verse again; it says He daily loads us with benefits; meaning that aside from the supply, there’re also benefits; extras. God isn’t just into provision, He’s into supply as well; He’s not just providing what you need, He supplies them, which means there’s a constant flow, and the reason for the flow is for you to have more than enough for yourself, and to help others.

There’s an accumulation of wealth for you, and just because you didn’t know doesn’t mean you have forfeited it. So, every day in God’s plan—in His structure of things—you have a supply, an amount set aside for you to spend and use. Make a demand for it. Receive your supply for today. Hallelujah!


Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the supply-system you’ve set in motion on my behalf; I can never be broke; you’ve blessed me lavishly and supplied all my needs. My heart’s desires are granted me as I delight myself in you. Even now, I receive my supply for today; thank you, blessed Lord, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

1 Corinthians 3:21
Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 6:17
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;


Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 21:33-22:1-14, Exodus 20-21

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 11:11-20, Genesis 31

petra1:
I remember the story of the young man who thought he killed Archilles and was celebrating. Until Archilles showed up . . . . It became wo mi 'n wo é.

Yesso.. Me too was surprised.

See him forming jagaban na

petra1:


By the way when I changed my moniker . It wasn't secret . I opened a thread on it.

Empty barrel. Abeg , Next person pls?

Don't mind these newbies. See why I don't hesitate to set them straight?



Unlike them who dubiously hide behind new monikers and feel great about themselves.

You know why they keep saying we're teammates (remember we were once accused of being same), it's because we are the only tithers willing to waste time with these folks.

Haven't you seen we've been repeating ourselves and they keep changing posts

1. Tithe is a law
2. Tithing was of war spoils, did you go to war?
3. Tithers will go to hell
4. Melchizedek did this, Jesus said that
5. Jacob' tithing was....
6. Tithing isn't monetary
7. Etc

Leave this thread now and watch it die faster than any possible thing

petra1:
Take am easy bro

These guys wan use me shine na, I had to call this one to order.

brocab:
Read the truth Mr Gombs hell is standing at your door-just waiting for you to enter in-your message about tithing does not obey the word of God..
"Yes" watch and learn what the prophetess said Mr Gombs- All tithers after money Mammon more then God will not see the kingdom of God.
Mr Gombs {Mammon} belongs to the world.. And the Word Of God belongs to God.
{Mark 12:16} Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar-and give to God what belongs to God.
You can't worship both Mr Gombs-one or the other?
And you Mr Gombs have proven over and over which of them you worship more then the other. {Mammon}
{John 17:-15-17} I do not pray that you should take them out of this world, but that you should keep them from the evil one, they are not of the world, even that I am not of this world. Sanctify them by your truth,. Your Word Of Truth..

Sir, I need a yes or no.

Am I going to hell because I tithed?

brocab:
I believe in the truth, and tithing isn't the truth..
How much money is enough Mr Gombs?
{John 21:15-17} And when they had finished breakfast Jesus said to Simon Peter-Simon son of Jonah, do you love Me more then these?
Peter Yes Lord you know that I love you.
Jesus said "Feed my lambs"
Jesus asked Him the second time do you Love Me?
Peter said "Yes Lord" you know that I love you.
Jesus said "Tend My Sheep"
And the third time Jesus ask him, do you love Me?
Peter was grieved the third time and said you know all things and you know I love you.
Jesus said "Feed My Sheep"
Jesus said-Tend and Feed My sheep with the Word of God "Mr Gombs" And tithing money and enjoying the benefits from it, isn't the Word of God "Mr Gombs"
Watch it again Mr Gombs this time listen-Glenda Jackson had seen her vision in Hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omfir6TJl58

So, I'm going to hell for tithing, abi?

openmine:
Full gospel and tithe?
Who dash U full gospel?
Am just wondering wat U will be dishing out 2 those helpless congregation.... too bad most have a bible but prefer Ur words 2 d bible....how unfortunate!

Brothers and sisters.. How can any sane Christian type this.


Why call someone's dad or mum or son or daughter or uncle, grandparents etc "hopeless" just because you don't like tithing?

And you're the Christian I should continue discussions with? See Candour, we've been on different pages with regards tithing for years... And I'm yet to see him insult vaguely and maliciously my person or much more other Christians just because they tithe.

That's why I have so much respect for him, not you all who keep wanting to be relevant I have the religious section.

Sir, I'm done with you.

Cheers