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Junia:
You can teach tithing

So now, I can teach the law (by your wrong assumption that it's the law), abi?

To admonish others to be faithful to God as the Israelites were at a period of time
And how God will provide for those who work for Him (the Levites)

So, now that the priesthood is in Judah, can you tell me what order of priesthood is Jesus of, and why?

You can't practise tithing in Christianity even if you were allowed to follow the law because only Levites can receive it. Why ?? because they had no inheritance among the Israelites

But seriously, wait first.

What part of tithing was before the law don't you understand?

Can you explain how Jacob got to know about tithing? Thanks

petra1:
Beautiful point there . Why don't they stop worshiping God because it's in the law and because nor stop praying because Abraham prayed only once. The greed of man is something else . Just to ease the guilt of conscience

Don't mind these learners. Too many loop holes in their ideology.

That's what they told the guy to insist. Tithing is only mentioned in the law . Just as serving God is mentioned in the law .

The guy swallowed it hook line and sinker especially when I showed him that levi paid tithes to melchizedek through Abraham.

Sir, e fi trash le fun LAWMA jare

petra1:
Very funny actually . Many contradictions . You don't believe in tithing , but you believe in offering .

They said offering there is sacrifices and such and the ones taken in church is called a collection. I took them on an exposè on the greek word used and that of burnt offering and that of collections. Hilarious folks

They tried to nullify Abraham tithe and label it war booty what a desecration or a Gods word.

They started asking how many times the man paid tithes... I said once it was recorded but that doesn't mean it was once... Then I asked how many times did Abraham pray? I told then I only found one place he did, does that then mean he wasn't a prayer man considering the faith he demonstrated? These fellas accused me of deviating

And the reason is just to make tithing only an institution under the law. So as soon as they killed Abraham evidence and label it war booty they only have the record in the law to contend with.

Exactly, just that these guys are doing a poor job at it. I mean, why say Jesus called tithing a law when Jesus himself knew that tithing was done long before moses was born?

They want to now box God into law . They forgot Jacob tithing record. So what will they label that now? Journey booty?

Abi o



Nice one.

I asked one . If anything mentioned in the law is wrong . What about the law against incest and gay? He said God hates it . But that's still law you condemn . He said it's before the law God destroyed sodom and Gomorrah.

See confusion na...


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The I said ,beautiful tithing was instituted before the law also . And the fact that the law mentioned it doesn't nullify it just as God hated homosexuality before the law.

Exactly.. Same logic, but these fellas won't admit their logic. Too much double standards.

And the fact that it was mentioned in the law doesn't change Gods mind about it . After the law dispensation. These are principle . Law or without the law .

Gbam... But they also said "... we can quote them to teach but we are not under those law ... "


The confusion is monumental

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich (2 Corinthians 8:9).

After you’re born again, poverty becomes completely unacceptable in your life. I know there’re people who believe Christians ought to be poor, but that’s due to their lack of understanding of the Scriptures. Poverty is not the absence of money, or other required necessities of life; it’s actually the disabling of a man’s mental prowess. It’s that state where a person’s mind shuts down, and that person believes that he or she can’t do anything to change his state.

But that’s not the case with the one who’s born again and lives by the Word; it’s impossible for such a person to walk in penury. The Christian is an heir of God, and a joint-heir with Christ. All the wealth in this world belongs to you if you’re born again. Once you accept this truth in your spirit, and allow it dominate your thinking, it’ll give you a new mind-set. It’ll be impossible for you to walk in lack.

The Bible says Jesus became poor so that we, through His poverty, might become rich (2 Corinthians 8:9). He took upon Himself, not only the sins of the world, but also the effects of sin, one of which is poverty. This is the reason every Christian must reject poverty. Nevertheless, poverty by choice, or deprivation by persecution is acceptable. A Christian may walk poor, and live poor because of ignorance, but he’s not poor, for he actually has an inheritance in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:21 says, “…all things are yours.”Therefore, refuse and reject the down life; don’t live as a victim. Get to the Word and become knowledgeable about your untold wealth in Christ. God said, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…” (Hosea 4:6). Refuse to walk in ignorance, but in the knowledge of your inheritance in Christ.

Poverty Is Not For you - Wednesday, January 25th .

Pastor Chris

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich (2 Corinthians 8:9).

After you’re born again, poverty becomes completely unacceptable in your life. I know there’re people who believe Christians ought to be poor, but that’s due to their lack of understanding of the Scriptures. Poverty is not the absence of money, or other required necessities of life; it’s actually the disabling of a man’s mental prowess. It’s that state where a person’s mind shuts down, and that person believes that he or she can’t do anything to change his state.

But that’s not the case with the one who’s born again and lives by the Word; it’s impossible for such a person to walk in penury. The Christian is an heir of God, and a joint-heir with Christ. All the wealth in this world belongs to you if you’re born again. Once you accept this truth in your spirit, and allow it dominate your thinking, it’ll give you a new mind-set. It’ll be impossible for you to walk in lack.

The Bible says Jesus became poor so that we, through His poverty, might become rich (2 Corinthians 8:9). He took upon Himself, not only the sins of the world, but also the effects of sin, one of which is poverty. This is the reason every Christian must reject poverty. Nevertheless, poverty by choice, or deprivation by persecution is acceptable. A Christian may walk poor, and live poor because of ignorance, but he’s not poor, for he actually has an inheritance in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:21 says, “…all things are yours.”Therefore, refuse and reject the down life; don’t live as a victim. Get to the Word and become knowledgeable about your untold wealth in Christ. God said, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…” (Hosea 4:6). Refuse to walk in ignorance, but in the knowledge of your inheritance in Christ.

Prayer...
Dear Father, you’re gracious and kind. I thank you for making me a joint-heir with Christ; the world belongs to me. All things are mine, and nothing good is withheld from me. I dwell in the realm of superabundance, where I’m graciously supplied with every good thing. My life is a manifestation of your love and grace; thank you, Lord, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
2 Peter 1:2-3
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Psalm 23:1-2
The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

2 Corinthians 8:9.
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 17:14-18:14, Exodus 8-9

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 9:27-38, Genesis 25

petra1:
Does it matter? If I have it I will quote it. In all the translations the message is still the same which is "pay the tithe and don't neglect other matters"

No o... These folks said Jesus called tithing a law.. And the law has been discarded, but " we can quote them to teach but we are not under those law .."



Have you ever seen such confusion since tower of babel?

BERNIMOORE:
you think you are talking to a reasonable person, No! its not personal but These people have chosen a different way of life, you think he doesnt know what you are talking about? He actually Knew but Hell Bent Determined like those termed by paul as 'superfine' to ''present a lie persistently to such an extent that it will begin to look like a True'' Thats hitler's philosophy pls note that, stop treating people like Gombs as a normal christian No. i have engaged him and joeagbaje and snowwy for 4-5yrs now, even joeagbaje and co are tired because the last time joeagbaje featured on this thread was i think ten pages away, he simply left it for Gombs because they have all ran out of ideas but rather 'they will be making you turn round tables repeating the same thing to get you upset, just keep-up spilling the truth on their faces

Please provide the links of such' engagement' here... Or I'd brand you a petty liar.

Some of us are actually busy, we have jobs and our lives do not revolve around nairaland... I can't say same about you, but if you don't see me here replying messages, know I'm busy being productive.

Thanks

Junia:
I read it but i wanna know the basis of your tithing

What was your conclusion from it? Calm down.. I'd answer you.

Junia:
Check the verse 21 and stop your ignorance
The fact that you teach with a law doesnt mean you are under that law
Note that he taught from only the 10 commandment which is actually fulfilled when we obey the law of Christ
Check the reward of that of the laws and that of Ephesians 6 .. you will actually note the difference

Assuming that tithing is under the law, from the above bold, why can't I teach tithing since it doesn't mean I'm under that law?

Keep deceiving yourself.

Peacefullove:
who ask you to provide help b4 , you think this is an MMM thread

you guys wont cease to amaze me.

you are the person using Abraham case to justify a modern day fraud, so the burden of proof is on you to let us know how many times he did it !


A series of event led to Abraham chasing some people to recover Lot family from those who hold them in captivity . on his way back, He gave the tenth part of his Loots , it was once ... and Paul of tarsus made reference to this single act of giving that Abraham did proving it valid that it happens once.

But today , Its weekly, monthly ... from where did you copy that , Abraham?

I was gonna reply you, but from the colored , I know you're a baby!

Not worth a try.

Cheers

Junia:
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Which scripture are you following when you tithe ??

Didn't you read the latter part of my post?

Junia:
All the ten commandments hang under loving God and loving our neighbours which is the Law of Christ ..
So we can quote them to teach but we are not under those law ..

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Be Voracious For The Word - Tuesday, January 24th

Pastor Chris

And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified (Acts 20:32).

The Word of God gives you much more than a moral code of conduct; it builds, lifts, transforms you and catapults you to your inheritance and destiny in Christ. Proverbs 11:9 tells us that through knowledge—revelation knowledge of God’s Word—shall the just be delivered into their inheritance.

Thus, you have to know the Word, store it in you, and consciously put it to work in your life. That’s your guarantee of a life of ever-increasing glory. The Bible says, “...All things are yours” (1 Corinthians 3:21); that means there’s nothing you require today that hasn’t already been made available to you by God through the Word.

This is one reason you must meditate on the Word. Become voracious in your passion, hunger, and appetite for the Word. There’s no way of appropriating the blessings of God to your life without the accurate knowledge of the Word. We triumph by the Word. We reign in life through the Word. We win, excel, and prevail over the challenges of life through, and with the Word.

The more you study and meditate on the Word, the more inspired and excited you get about the life in Christ. The knowledge of God’s Word gives you an undeniable conviction about the transcendent life of victory, righteousness, success, and dominion that Christ has brought to us! Your victory is in the Word of God, so study it to know it, for only through the knowledge will you discover and enjoy your glorious inheritance in Christ.

Study the Word for what it does in your spirit. The Word in you goes into your spirit, soul, and body, and becomes part of your being; making you what it talks about. When you ingest and digest the Word, it becomes one with your spirit, thereby enhancing and improving the quality of your personality. Bombard your mind with the Word of God, until it completely inundates your thinking, and your life will go in one direction only: upward and forward!

Prayer...
Dear Father, as I study and meditate on the Word today, my heart receives it with joy, faith, and meekness, knowing that my life is being built and my destiny shaped in line with your perfect will for me. My life is for your glory and beauty because of the power and influence of your Word in my spirit, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 16:13-17:13, Exodus 6-7

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 9:14-26, Genesis 24

BERNIMOORE:
you just deflated his Ego and caught him like a craddle robber, his best way to treat issues is to make wild and irrelevance comparison to distract you, but. If you are stubborn he ignore you for a while then tag you with bad name, don't defend that but keep your focus then he will be defeated. Congrats

If you were smart you'd see my point.

How many times Abraham paid tithes? It was recorded once... Doesn't mean it was the only time.

Then I asked, how many times Abraham prayed? Aside Gen 20:17 and maybe one other place (not exactly a prayer sef), I haven't seen or read him pray. If then his prayer was once recorded, does it mean he wasn't a man of prayer, considering the life he lived and faith he demonstrated?

Point is the frequency is immaterial, and asking about spoils of war.. Did Jacob go to war before giving tithes? See, I've had several tithe discussions here and you these current crop are learners... Those before you have failed woefully... Ever wondered why tithe threads don't frequent the section unlike 5years ago? Ever wondered why others don't bother coming here to join band wagons with y'all?

I'd tell you what, only a negligible percentage of Christians on NL religion section don't pay tithes and that percentage includes atheists, pagans, and their likes and then your type.

If you don't want to pay tithe, fine... Please don't disturb those doing, you lot aren't smarter than the rest paying tithes... It is not Compulsory, just like nothing in Christ is "by force"

Cheers.

Junia:
You have a good point
But tithing itself is a law
When you use if for another reason aside the one in the Bible, you have actually created your version of tithing which scriptures doesnt support
You made a point that you tithe but you dont actually care what the Church uses it for
The moment you pay tithe, you go back to the law
Aa Paul said if you circumcise, you have gone back to the law and by so doing, Christ is of no benefit to you

Lol

I have asked you tire ... Is it that Jesus Didn't know that tithing was before the law of Moses or you're being ignorant?

You simply said "Jesus said it was the law"

I now asked if tithing is the law and has being discarded then faith, justice and mercy too are discarded since they are weightier matters of the law (since you claim Jesus said it's the law)

You said "am I the one that said it?"

Keep deceiving yourself.

Junia:
We are not under it
We just love as we are commanded
And not to select some of the law to live by it

So, Paul that now quoted one of the 10commandments nko? Ephesians 6:1-2...he must have 'selected' it and discarded the rest?

Junia:
I now get you

Spread the word

Peacefullove:
And what does Abraham prayer has to do with the Simple question: how many times did Abraham tithe ? is it weekly and monthly as done in todays Churches ?



are u tithing from spoils of war as Abraham did ?

If you don't get the logic as it relates to your question, then, sorry.. I can't help you.

Receive - Monday, January 23rd .

Pastor Chris

For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ) (Romans 5:17).

In the realms of the Spirit, there’re different kinds of laws; we have the law of contact, the law of faith, and then we have the law of receiving, which is the focal point of today’s discussion. Our opening verse says, “For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness….”

The word “receive” here is the Greek “lambano.” It’s not the same as being stationary somewhere and expecting what you want to just land in your hand; no. That word is a carefully picked word. It’s a bit blind to the English connotation of the word “receive.” “Lambano” is an action word; it means “to take,” “to catch” and make personal to you. It means to get a hold of something and make it yours. We minister to people sometimes and we say, “Take it”; that’s what it is. It’s the keyword of the Spirit for “receive.”

The above verse says, “They which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” It’s saying those who get a hold of, catch, or “lambano” abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness are the ones that’ll reign in life. This means you’re looking out for it to get a hold of it; you’re going for it, for the purpose of using it. So, you see, it’s not just about God giving you something; He’s already given you everything (1 Corinthians 3:21). You’re the one to receive!

All things have been made available for you to enjoy. Take a hold of eternal life! Take a hold of your abundant life in Christ! Don’t wait anymore. Take possession of your inheritance in Christ, through persistent and audacious faith-proclamations.

Confession...
I have a supernatural heritage in Christ, possessions of great and inestimable value! Therefore, I declare that I walk in superabundance today, for God has prepared great and unquantifiable blessings for me to take care of all my needs spiritually, financially, materially, and emotionally! All that belongs to me are being unveiled by the revelation of God’s Word, and as I see, I possess! Hallelujah!

Further Study:

Corinthians 2:12-13
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan:* Matthew 15:29-16:12,
Exodus 3-5

2-Year Bible Reading Plan:* Matthew 9:1-13,
Genesis 23

Junia:
The Church is the body of Christ

ah.....see who i'm discussing with ooooooo

that's what you think i meant when you know i was talking of OT stuff?

Are the israelites the first Church (body of Christ)

ahhhhhhhh...i really have to let this go oooooo

Acts 7:38
King James Bible
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Junia:
But note that he said we shouldn't walk in the law because we cant obey all the laws

So, is the law totally abolished/discarded?

[quote author=Junia post=53057760]

Am i the one saying it

So, Jesus is saying that Justice, mercy and faith are of the law...He now asked us to forget the law and yet tells us to ask and live by faith?

Didnt Jesus clasify them as the weightier part of the law ??

you are sorely confused...

If you love (law of Christ) .. wont you practice them

so i should practice the weightier because of the law of Christ (love)...but the lighter (tithe, assuming it is of the law)i should ignore, abi? keep shooting your foot o

Who can say he or she loves but practice wickedness ??

so, tithing is wickeness?

Junia:
Did you find church in there

lol...see line of argument abeg. the term CHURCH there ...what did you think i meant?

The Church is actually used for Christians only and not isralites

James was the head of the Christians in Jerusalem..they all worshiped and met a the synagogue...why not a church, since the church is actually used for Christians and not Israelite? Why did Chirstians use a synagogue made for Jewish religion?

Why deceiving yourself ??

you're sorely confused... I'd leave you at this juncture.[/quote]

Junia:
But Christ got His commandment from the law and that is love

he didn't get it from the law, please.

Will you dishonour your parents if you love them

bro...Paul quoted the law severally..like petra1 said, the law is good... trying to get justification by it is wrong. Paul even said the law is holy and good.

Junia:
It was God who gave Moses the commandment
And all the commandments are known as the Mosaic law

so, because Moses' law made tithing compulsory..it is then proof that tithing came as a result of the law?

Junia:
Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The pharisees choose the lighter part of the law and ignored the weightier part of the law

I talk am

so, Justice, mercy and faith are of the law? Why aren't they abolished as tithing (assuming tithing was of the law)

Junia:
Give me scriptures concerning old church. I have never heard of any old church

Study bro..

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

We should understand Jesus’ words here not as an outright rejection of the Gentiles—moments later, He heals the Cannanite woman's daughter (Matthew 15:28)—but as a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman’s faith.

In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and “lost sheep.” The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these “lost sheep” (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Micah 5:4-5). When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy (Mark 6:34, 14:27; John 10:11-16)

It was through the Jews that God issued His Law, preserved His Word, and sent His Son. This is why, elsewhere, Jesus tells a Samaritan that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). In Matthew 15, when the Jesus says that He was sent to “the house of Israel,” He is simply connecting His presence with God’s purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was “born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law” (Galatians 4:4-5).

Junia:
Who received the laws
Is it not Moses ??

Are you saying Moses was the one who brought about the idea of tithing?

Aside the law of Christ which other law is in the Bible ??

it's like asking "Aside the parts of Ferrari, what other parts is in the Ferrari?"

Junia:
He quoted a commandment from the law but this law was carried into the law of Christ

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why?

i thought the law has been abolished? Paul must have been a fraud....ah!

Christ also carried the law of loving into His commandment

Love is God..God is love... it's been so since the foundation of the earth. Nothing was carried over here.[/quote]

openmine:
I don't have any team member bro gombs...its a thread where everyone expresses his or her opinion....but dat sud b done with respect...must u give back an insult because sum one insulted?
wat does it say about u and ur beliefs?
wat will atheists say?
let discus without insults.... I know dat remark wasn't intended 4 me but don't reply an insult wit an insult...it doesn't speak well of u...

did you see someone call me a swindler or not? did you reprimand him?

my point is, no need being hypocritical. I didn't insult you or anyone here too

dsaynt:
Point of correction ...I don't agree with saying that Tithes pre existed the levites. What Abram gave was not tithe. He gave out of his spoils of war and not from his income (he had flocks of animals he also traded on), also it was a one off. Tithes were specific to the Levites.

So you are on the right track just that part sha. Lol

So, in war times, if a nation defeats another, the slaves and properties taken aren't income to the nation who won? Should i define income for you?

anyways, that's not my point..when Jacob tithed, what did he use?

Junia:
Why practise something doesnt justify you
The law of tithing made provision for the poor .. widow .. levite priests .. eating it during festivals
So why tithe to a church ??

Don't you know the children of Israel was the first church? They failed ...because they couldn't obey the law and they law couldn't justify anyone. That's why Jesus had to come, and He first redeemed the old church, and established the new..forever.