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Junia:
The Church is the body of Christ

ah.....see who i'm discussing with ooooooo

that's what you think i meant when you know i was talking of OT stuff?

Are the israelites the first Church (body of Christ)

ahhhhhhhh...i really have to let this go oooooo

Acts 7:38
King James Bible
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Junia:
But note that he said we shouldn't walk in the law because we cant obey all the laws

So, is the law totally abolished/discarded?

[quote author=Junia post=53057760]

Am i the one saying it

So, Jesus is saying that Justice, mercy and faith are of the law...He now asked us to forget the law and yet tells us to ask and live by faith?

Didnt Jesus clasify them as the weightier part of the law ??

you are sorely confused...

If you love (law of Christ) .. wont you practice them

so i should practice the weightier because of the law of Christ (love)...but the lighter (tithe, assuming it is of the law)i should ignore, abi? keep shooting your foot o

Who can say he or she loves but practice wickedness ??

so, tithing is wickeness?

Junia:
Did you find church in there

lol...see line of argument abeg. the term CHURCH there ...what did you think i meant?

The Church is actually used for Christians only and not isralites

James was the head of the Christians in Jerusalem..they all worshiped and met a the synagogue...why not a church, since the church is actually used for Christians and not Israelite? Why did Chirstians use a synagogue made for Jewish religion?

Why deceiving yourself ??

you're sorely confused... I'd leave you at this juncture.[/quote]

Junia:
But Christ got His commandment from the law and that is love

he didn't get it from the law, please.

Will you dishonour your parents if you love them

bro...Paul quoted the law severally..like petra1 said, the law is good... trying to get justification by it is wrong. Paul even said the law is holy and good.

Junia:
It was God who gave Moses the commandment
And all the commandments are known as the Mosaic law

so, because Moses' law made tithing compulsory..it is then proof that tithing came as a result of the law?

Junia:
Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The pharisees choose the lighter part of the law and ignored the weightier part of the law

I talk am

so, Justice, mercy and faith are of the law? Why aren't they abolished as tithing (assuming tithing was of the law)

Junia:
Give me scriptures concerning old church. I have never heard of any old church

Study bro..

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

We should understand Jesus’ words here not as an outright rejection of the Gentiles—moments later, He heals the Cannanite woman's daughter (Matthew 15:28)—but as a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman’s faith.

In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and “lost sheep.” The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these “lost sheep” (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Micah 5:4-5). When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy (Mark 6:34, 14:27; John 10:11-16)

It was through the Jews that God issued His Law, preserved His Word, and sent His Son. This is why, elsewhere, Jesus tells a Samaritan that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). In Matthew 15, when the Jesus says that He was sent to “the house of Israel,” He is simply connecting His presence with God’s purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was “born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law” (Galatians 4:4-5).

Junia:
Who received the laws
Is it not Moses ??

Are you saying Moses was the one who brought about the idea of tithing?

Aside the law of Christ which other law is in the Bible ??

it's like asking "Aside the parts of Ferrari, what other parts is in the Ferrari?"

Junia:
He quoted a commandment from the law but this law was carried into the law of Christ

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why?

i thought the law has been abolished? Paul must have been a fraud....ah!

Christ also carried the law of loving into His commandment

Love is God..God is love... it's been so since the foundation of the earth. Nothing was carried over here.[/quote]

openmine:
I don't have any team member bro gombs...its a thread where everyone expresses his or her opinion....but dat sud b done with respect...must u give back an insult because sum one insulted?
wat does it say about u and ur beliefs?
wat will atheists say?
let discus without insults.... I know dat remark wasn't intended 4 me but don't reply an insult wit an insult...it doesn't speak well of u...

did you see someone call me a swindler or not? did you reprimand him?

my point is, no need being hypocritical. I didn't insult you or anyone here too

dsaynt:
Point of correction ...I don't agree with saying that Tithes pre existed the levites. What Abram gave was not tithe. He gave out of his spoils of war and not from his income (he had flocks of animals he also traded on), also it was a one off. Tithes were specific to the Levites.

So you are on the right track just that part sha. Lol

So, in war times, if a nation defeats another, the slaves and properties taken aren't income to the nation who won? Should i define income for you?

anyways, that's not my point..when Jacob tithed, what did he use?

Junia:
Why practise something doesnt justify you
The law of tithing made provision for the poor .. widow .. levite priests .. eating it during festivals
So why tithe to a church ??

Don't you know the children of Israel was the first church? They failed ...because they couldn't obey the law and they law couldn't justify anyone. That's why Jesus had to come, and He first redeemed the old church, and established the new..forever.

petra1:
Quote where Jesus said tithe is law

Wait and see answer

Junia:
Tithing is CONTAINED in the law of Moses my friend

FIXED... yeaah, true.

Jesus called it a lighter part of the law

because it was contained in the law na..not created by the law

Who are you to say it is not a law ??

I should ask you same? Who told you it was the law of Moses?

Junia:
He knew it came before Moses yet He called it a law

That means one of you is wrong....so, who's wrong? Jesus or You?

If God calls tithing a law .. who is human to say it existed before the law so it is not a law ??

So, God forgot about Abraham and Jacob's tithing? Wow

petra1:
The law is the law of God. It reveals Gods mind and principles . Without the law you will have no knowledge of what is right or wrong.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 7:12 (KJV)
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Men wanted justification by the works of the law. The works of the law are good in themselves . They are Gods principle . Except the part christ fulfilled . Righteousnes only came by christ .

Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

If you study the Bible well you will notice that every condemnation of the law has to do with seeking righteousness or justification. It lacked the power to make a man righteous but the deed of the law are good in themselves .

Gbammmmmmm

simple and short. All those burnt offerings aren't done today because Jesus was the perfect offering...no need for atonement etc..no need for such laws...but, incest,bestiality, etc are under the law...have they been abolished too?

Junia:
He came to save
He was fulfilling the law too
Can you say He violated the law because He didnt allow them to stone her
No .. because His purpose of saving will be thwarted

So, Jesus paid tithes then, right?

openmine:
bro gombs,I guess u and every oda person here is trying 2 share ideas and acquire knowledge from scripture...wat u have said is unchristian and mostly uncharitable.....we r not here 2 win an argument.... but to learn....why go into insults....unbelievable!!

i didn't insult you, besides, one of you "team" members called us swindlers, you sure didn't see that, right?

weldone o

Junia:
Did Paul teach about tithing though he taught much about giving ??

I will like you to read this article
http://www.askelm.com/tithing/thi003.htm

Did Paul teach about Honoring parents? What was he quoting?

petra1:
Brother, There were over 5 translations before kjv came . So kjv was not the first bible in English . Don't condemn a translation because it doesn't fit your ideology

abi ooooooo

Junia:
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The law of love was there .. fine
Tithing was also in the mosaic law
In John 13:34 .. Jesus called the loving law a new law that He is giving
Do you know more than Jesus
He is actually God Himself
And if He calls it a new commandment ..
Who are you to say it was already part of the the law
Didn't He know
Why then does He call it new

Hebrew 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Son, He called it a new commandment because Love replaces all other laws. Romans 8: 12-14

the new commandment of love was different from that of Moses.., JEsus said "love one another as i have loved you"... Moses' love law was totally different from this, his was "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Jesus' is about loving with His measure of Love, Moses' was about our own measure

openmine:
Lol...its common sense bro....
he wud have allowed dem to kill the adulterous woman...he knew d law was against her...he knew she was guilty...all he simply did was ask a simple question.... "if any of you have been without sin sud cast the first stone...."
so in other words,it means that those who were about to stone that woman had already done worse dat her....hence they left one by one....
Jesus didn't condemn deir acts...lol

did you understand my post at all, in relation to his?

BERNIMOORE:
meybe you need big lenses to show us that Jesus never said verbatim"yes you must tithe" so you need a dictionary to make a forceful statement, you be real fraudster

What is the meaning of "Ought"?

I don't have time for kids o, i am not sharing cheese balls and caprisonne here

Junia:
Yes He made her live and told her to go and sin no more
He didn't condemn the law
Though He was fufilling the law .. because He came to save .. He didnt allow them to stone her
He would have allowed it if He didn't come to save us also
Thats why He could heal on the sabath ..

ask someone to read this out and listen to yourself

Junia:
You are my fellow .. lol
We are against tithe

Answer me.. Was Jesus not smart enough to know tithing came long before moses and the law?

Junia:
So you mean tithing is not a law ??
Why did Jesus classify it as a lighter part of the law ??

I hope you don't have comprehension issues? I told you he was addressing the pharisees and therefore the law of moses...HE wasn't necessarily afffirming that tithing is of the law.

but i asked, Is Jesus dumb enough not to know that tithing predated the law?

Peacefullove:
Mr heartache, how many times did Abraham give tithe ?

How many times did Abraham pray?

Junia:
No

I thought as much

because He was yet to die ??
How can He condemn the same law He came to fulfill
After His death ... we were instructed not to live by the law because Christ has already fulfiled the law

But He let the adulterous woman live, even though the law was still active and He was yet to die.. The law condemned her, but Jesus Didn't... And he was yet to die o.

Your hypocrisy is outstanding.

BERNIMOORE:
going round the tables again, 42But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: [size=18pt] these ought ye to have done [/size] , and not to leave the other undone. DO YOU SEE "YES You Should TITHE" in this passage of the oldest bible? It was only smuggled recently by controversial scholars who wrote WEB AND NLT TRANSLATION

Is it that you don't understand English language?

Junia:
Why did Jesus call it a law ??
Jesus is God
He existed before everything
Do you know more than him ??

I already explained this...

Was Jesus not wise enough to know Tithe came before moses?

Junia:
Jesus called tithe a law

Same Jesus that was there when Abraham gave tithe and when Moses got the law? Really?

Jesus simply was speaking about the law not necessarily saying tithing was of the law... For Moses' law instituted tithing with many clauses. So, if the law is abolished, it couldn't have abolished what came before it... Would it?

We are no longer under the law
Infact Jesus is God
Do you know more than Jesus

I asked you same.. Was Jesus not wise enough to know the law didn't begat tithing?

Didn't Jesus see Abraham tithing before He called it a law ??

He was talking to THE PHARISEES.. Do I need explain why they are and why Jesus refereed to their laws?

How many times did Abraham even tithe ??

By your logic I can also ask, How many time did Jesus even attend a wedding sef? Or how many times did Abraham give offerings to God!

Point is, they both did the said event and NO ONE condemned it, the frequency is not a point for you just because it was recorded once... But you saw his grandson do same... Would you want to say they all did it once?

Didn't you see this in the Bible?

Hebrews 7
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

In other words...

by the priests in his family (Levi's), Levi gets the tenth part from the people (Israelites) . But we can say that, by Abraham, Levi also paid a tenth part to Melchizedek.

This is because Levi was Abraham’s grandson. Levi was not yet born when Melchizedek met Abraham.


That's the Easy English Translation