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petra1:
Quote where Jesus said tithe is law

Wait and see answer

Junia:
Tithing is CONTAINED in the law of Moses my friend

FIXED... yeaah, true.

Jesus called it a lighter part of the law

because it was contained in the law na..not created by the law

Who are you to say it is not a law ??

I should ask you same? Who told you it was the law of Moses?

Junia:
He knew it came before Moses yet He called it a law

That means one of you is wrong....so, who's wrong? Jesus or You?

If God calls tithing a law .. who is human to say it existed before the law so it is not a law ??

So, God forgot about Abraham and Jacob's tithing? Wow

petra1:
The law is the law of God. It reveals Gods mind and principles . Without the law you will have no knowledge of what is right or wrong.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 7:12 (KJV)
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Men wanted justification by the works of the law. The works of the law are good in themselves . They are Gods principle . Except the part christ fulfilled . Righteousnes only came by christ .

Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

If you study the Bible well you will notice that every condemnation of the law has to do with seeking righteousness or justification. It lacked the power to make a man righteous but the deed of the law are good in themselves .

Gbammmmmmm

simple and short. All those burnt offerings aren't done today because Jesus was the perfect offering...no need for atonement etc..no need for such laws...but, incest,bestiality, etc are under the law...have they been abolished too?

Junia:
He came to save
He was fulfilling the law too
Can you say He violated the law because He didnt allow them to stone her
No .. because His purpose of saving will be thwarted

So, Jesus paid tithes then, right?

openmine:
bro gombs,I guess u and every oda person here is trying 2 share ideas and acquire knowledge from scripture...wat u have said is unchristian and mostly uncharitable.....we r not here 2 win an argument.... but to learn....why go into insults....unbelievable!!

i didn't insult you, besides, one of you "team" members called us swindlers, you sure didn't see that, right?

weldone o

Junia:
Did Paul teach about tithing though he taught much about giving ??

I will like you to read this article
http://www.askelm.com/tithing/thi003.htm

Did Paul teach about Honoring parents? What was he quoting?

petra1:
Brother, There were over 5 translations before kjv came . So kjv was not the first bible in English . Don't condemn a translation because it doesn't fit your ideology

abi ooooooo

Junia:
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The law of love was there .. fine
Tithing was also in the mosaic law
In John 13:34 .. Jesus called the loving law a new law that He is giving
Do you know more than Jesus
He is actually God Himself
And if He calls it a new commandment ..
Who are you to say it was already part of the the law
Didn't He know
Why then does He call it new

Hebrew 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Son, He called it a new commandment because Love replaces all other laws. Romans 8: 12-14

the new commandment of love was different from that of Moses.., JEsus said "love one another as i have loved you"... Moses' love law was totally different from this, his was "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Jesus' is about loving with His measure of Love, Moses' was about our own measure

openmine:
Lol...its common sense bro....
he wud have allowed dem to kill the adulterous woman...he knew d law was against her...he knew she was guilty...all he simply did was ask a simple question.... "if any of you have been without sin sud cast the first stone...."
so in other words,it means that those who were about to stone that woman had already done worse dat her....hence they left one by one....
Jesus didn't condemn deir acts...lol

did you understand my post at all, in relation to his?

BERNIMOORE:
meybe you need big lenses to show us that Jesus never said verbatim"yes you must tithe" so you need a dictionary to make a forceful statement, you be real fraudster

What is the meaning of "Ought"?

I don't have time for kids o, i am not sharing cheese balls and caprisonne here

Junia:
Yes He made her live and told her to go and sin no more
He didn't condemn the law
Though He was fufilling the law .. because He came to save .. He didnt allow them to stone her
He would have allowed it if He didn't come to save us also
Thats why He could heal on the sabath ..

ask someone to read this out and listen to yourself

Junia:
You are my fellow .. lol
We are against tithe

Answer me.. Was Jesus not smart enough to know tithing came long before moses and the law?

Junia:
So you mean tithing is not a law ??
Why did Jesus classify it as a lighter part of the law ??

I hope you don't have comprehension issues? I told you he was addressing the pharisees and therefore the law of moses...HE wasn't necessarily afffirming that tithing is of the law.

but i asked, Is Jesus dumb enough not to know that tithing predated the law?

Peacefullove:
Mr heartache, how many times did Abraham give tithe ?

How many times did Abraham pray?

Junia:
No

I thought as much

because He was yet to die ??
How can He condemn the same law He came to fulfill
After His death ... we were instructed not to live by the law because Christ has already fulfiled the law

But He let the adulterous woman live, even though the law was still active and He was yet to die.. The law condemned her, but Jesus Didn't... And he was yet to die o.

Your hypocrisy is outstanding.

BERNIMOORE:
going round the tables again, 42But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: [size=18pt] these ought ye to have done [/size] , and not to leave the other undone. DO YOU SEE "YES You Should TITHE" in this passage of the oldest bible? It was only smuggled recently by controversial scholars who wrote WEB AND NLT TRANSLATION

Is it that you don't understand English language?

Junia:
Why did Jesus call it a law ??
Jesus is God
He existed before everything
Do you know more than him ??

I already explained this...

Was Jesus not wise enough to know Tithe came before moses?

Junia:
Jesus called tithe a law

Same Jesus that was there when Abraham gave tithe and when Moses got the law? Really?

Jesus simply was speaking about the law not necessarily saying tithing was of the law... For Moses' law instituted tithing with many clauses. So, if the law is abolished, it couldn't have abolished what came before it... Would it?

We are no longer under the law
Infact Jesus is God
Do you know more than Jesus

I asked you same.. Was Jesus not wise enough to know the law didn't begat tithing?

Didn't Jesus see Abraham tithing before He called it a law ??

He was talking to THE PHARISEES.. Do I need explain why they are and why Jesus refereed to their laws?

How many times did Abraham even tithe ??

By your logic I can also ask, How many time did Jesus even attend a wedding sef? Or how many times did Abraham give offerings to God!

Point is, they both did the said event and NO ONE condemned it, the frequency is not a point for you just because it was recorded once... But you saw his grandson do same... Would you want to say they all did it once?

Didn't you see this in the Bible?

Hebrews 7
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

In other words...

by the priests in his family (Levi's), Levi gets the tenth part from the people (Israelites) . But we can say that, by Abraham, Levi also paid a tenth part to Melchizedek.

This is because Levi was Abraham’s grandson. Levi was not yet born when Melchizedek met Abraham.


That's the Easy English Translation

BERNIMOORE:
was Abraham tenth% to Melchizedek"an increase from his farm or income or a recovery of stolen goods by by pagans"

Stop deviating.
Abraham gave a tithe... Jacob did (obviously learn from Isaacs)... My point is its before the law.

AGAIN KINDLY TELL US"THE ORDER OF PRIESTHOOD JESUS IS OF" as you claim oya

Go study your Bible. Hebrews chapters 7 & 8

Junia:
Thank you
You have made me understand it better

You're welcome bro

Junia:
Why did you choose the WEB version
Matthew 23:23
Lets go to King James for better understanding
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

From here you can clearly see that Jesus called tithe a lighter part of the law
The pharisees and scribes chose the lighter part of the law and eschewed the weightier part of the law
And Jesus said they should do both

Did Jesus say Christians should tithe
Why didnt He tell His disciples to tithe but the pharisees

Abrahams tithe was from war booty
How many times did he even tithe ??
Is it not only once
Why didn't he continue doing it

Cash was given as tithe only when the giver wants to keep his produce
The money was again used to and buy the produce

No one paid tithe with a dog
We don't pay tithes with dogs

Did Jesus condemn tithing?

Junia:
Brother tithing is a law

It's before the law

openmine:
Read other translations....find out the greek translations....also find out scriptures that can relate with that scripture...remember "no scripture is of personal interpretation"....u must rightly divide the word of God by "matching" scripture with another related scripture....

Hello.. Remember me?

I'm about to give you a heartache

MuttleyLaff:
The law of the Spirit has made tithe and offering redundant
Offering is not money, offering has to do with animal sacrifices, which are about Levitical offerings
You are conflating offering with collection
Am quite sure, you dont partake in animal sacrifices

You're lying or just being ignorant.

Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.


The Greek word for offering there is Prosphora which means the act of offering, a bringing to that which is offered, a gift, a present.

The same word was used in Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

As you said offering has to do with animal sacrifices, it clearly shows you're in ignorance because the Bible said offering and a sacrifice... Two different things. Now, the word used there is prophora.

Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Same word phosphora

That word was used in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 etc.

But in Hebrews 10:8 Paul used another word for "offering". In fact he used the two words together

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;


Offering was clearly different from burnt offering (which Greek word is holokautōma). This shows you're very wrong to say

Offering is not money, offering has to do with animal sacrifices, which are about Levitical offerings

Then for those who say it's called collection and not offerings, they err.

Collections was used only once in the Bible (or at least new testament) and it's in 1 Corinthians 16:1 the Greek word is logia and it means money gathered for the relief of the poor... To say monies given in services is called collection is a huge lie and this is to make sure they don't call offerings as what they are prosphora, which is a gift or present (to God as an act of worship)

[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=53052609]

Christ never ever said we should tithes its funny how you ignored oldest bible translation of King James version 1611 and choose The charismatic translation of NLT that was produced in revised in the '90s by controversial scholars who deliberately change the Greek meanings of mathew

But he did...
Luke 11:42 WEB
But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, but you bypass justice and God’s love. You ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.

23:23 i challenge you to quote from oldest bible King James version whether the smuggled word "yes you must tithe" was never in The oldest bible what a shame.

Please, epp us with the old KJV... Thanks. If you can't, I'd assume you're a nuisance.

See the length you swindlers could go to justify fraud by changing original Greek words used in the passage chai

Be civil in discussions, some of us have jobs but create time to discuss here. Show some decorum.

If you don't want to tithe, fine.. Don't insult those who do and those who believe and teach it.

Junia:
Give freely and Cheerfully
Dont call what you give a tithe
Just honour God with what you have
Else you go back to the law

But... Tithe is a tenth of all your increase. God asked for it.

It was clearly before the law... Do you know what order of priesthood Jesus is of?

Junia:
God doesnt like it
Again if you love God .. you wont do anything to hurt Him

I have a question.

Is there a difference between offering and collection? If yes, what are they?

How on earth did I miss this thread?

Put your Body Under - Sunday, January 22nd

Pastor Chris

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).

As a child of God, one thing you have to consciously do is to put your body in subjection to the Word. There’re Christians who can’t undergo such a spiritual exercise as fasting. They just can’t fast for a reasonable period of time. Why? They’re too lazy! Once it’s time to fast, their bodies wouldn’t let them; they start struggling. That’s when they suddenly remember the cake that’s been in the fridge for weeks; a voracious appetite for food suddenly wells up in them and sustaining the fast becomes a struggle.

But the truth is, any time such a thing like this happens, your spirit will always talk to you; it’s just whether or not you’ll listen to your spirit. At such times when your body is trying to lord it over you, if you yield to your flesh rather than to your spirit, you’ll lose another opportunity to make your body conform to your spirit. In the day of trouble, your body will be the master, and God doesn’t want that.

The Apostle Paul, in our opening verse, said, “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway” (1 Corinthians 9:27). Every time there’s an opportunity for a spiritual exercise, take advantage of it. For example, when it’s time to pray, pray! Refuse to feel tired or sleepy; put away everything that’s likely to distract you, and discipline yourself to observe your prayer times. By so doing, you’re training your spirit to dominate your body.

The outward man (your body) has its senses, and your spirit has its senses as well. The outward man has a mind that holds the memory, and the human spirit also has memory. So, whichever one you train is what will determine the quality of your life. Those who live according to their senses are terribly limited; they’re the ones that experience failures and defeat in life. But those who are led by the Spirit, those who have trained their spirits, have the mastery.

Make up your mind to let your spirit gain the dominion over your body; live beyond this earthly realm.

Confession ...
I belong to Christ, and I’ve crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. I reckon myself to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ. I walk by the Spirit always, and manifest fruits of righteousness. My spirit is alive unto God! Hallelujah!

Further Study :
Galatians 5:16
[This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

1 Corinthians 9:24
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Daily SCRIPTURE Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan :
Matthew 15:1-28, Exodus 1-2

2-Year Bible Reading Plan :
Matthew 8:23-34, Genesis 22

Respond To The Word - Saturday, January 21st .

Pastor Chris

We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak (2 Corinthians 4:13).

God wants us to believe and live His Word. He wants us to use the Word, to take His Word and speak it. He didn’t only give us His Word to quote, memorize or recite; He gave us His Word so we can respond to it accordingly. You have to agree with the Word, and speak it forth; that’s what produces result.

Consider the glorious words of the Psalmist penned for us in Psalm 23:1-4: The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.” Here, we find David affirming God’s Word, making his personal faith-proclamations on the basis of God’s Word.

There’s no need griping over lack, your seeming inabilities, or lack of strength; there’s no need to be afraid or intimidated by the oppositions you face! There’s no need to faint or lose heart over anything! Affirm the Word. Take the Word of God and speak it! Declare, “I’m being led in the paths of righteousness. I’m walking in the glory of God and fulfilling my destiny of greatness in Him!”

Don’t say, “Lord, deliver me from evil”; rather, like David, say, “I fear no evil!” That means no matter the evil or adversities, you’re triumphant over them, because greater is He that’s in you than he that’s in the world (I John 4:4). Christ is in you (Colossians 1:27); and that means glory, fulfillment, joy, progress, and transcendental blessings in your life.

But you see, it’s not going to happen just because you’re a Christian; you must affirm it. When life looks like there’s darkness, and things look bleak, don’t despair; take the Word and speak it. Declare, “Christ is in me; therefore, I’ll only and always be triumphant!” Whatever God says to you is for your benefit, and requires the right response. So, respond by affirming what He’s already said concerning you in His Word.

Confession...
The Word of God in my mouth is God talking! As I take and speak the Word, my life is impacted and transformed into what the Word says, making me a living and walking epistle of Christ. Men see and take note of me that Christ is in me; as He is, so am I in this world. Hallelujah!

Further Study:
Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 14:13-36, Genesis 49-50

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 8:12-22, Genesis 21

Everything Has Intelligence - Friday, January 20th .

Pastor Chris

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God (Romans 8:19-21).

When you look around you, the materials formed and fabricated from natural elements are doing nothing, except what we have fabricated them to do. However, they can do much more; they can even hear you, because everything in life has intelligence.

Consider Moses, in Numbers 20:8. God said to him, “Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.”

The first time, the people were thirsty for water, God told Moses to take his rod in his hand, and in the sight of the elders of the people, strike the rock and it’d bring forth water. He did as the Lord commanded and water came forth. See Exodus 17:5-6. This time however, God told Moses to talk to the rock. Now, the point to note here is the fact that the rock had intelligence. God expected Moses to talk to it.

In Mark 11, the Bible tells us that Jesus spoke to a tree. He was hungry, and upon seeing a fig tree, He expected to find some fruits on it, but didn’t find any. The Bible says, “And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it” (Mark 11:14). First, notice that it says, “Jesus answered and said unto it (the tree)”; Jesus spoke to the tree. Secondly, His disciples heard him talk to the tree. By the next morning, the tree had died from its roots (Mark 11:21).

So you see, everything in life, living and non-living things, all have intelligence. The Bible says all creation is waiting, groaning in pains, for the manifestation of the sons of God. The whole creation has been subject to bondage, and travails to come into the liberty of the children of God. We’re the ones to set them at liberty. We’re the hope and light of the world. So, keep speaking life and blessings to your environment, to everything around you. Glory to God!

Confession ...
I’m a king and a priest unto God; therefore, the words of my mouth are spirit and they’re life! I give life to everything around me! Everything in my world, whether living or non-living, is constantly charged with life and vitality! Praise God!

Further Study:

Mark 11:22-24
And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 13:44-14:12,Genesis 46-48

2-Year Bible Reading Plan Matthew 8:1-11, Genesis 20