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openmine:
Ohh yes...Gombs is ur savior any time U r lost or Speechless...You call him to backup with "funny memes" and a "like" ..Or maybe he sud be the one to reply me since U dont even know how to prove Ur tithe beliefs...but seriously,How can a pastor who preaches tithe cannot defend his tithe beliefs from the bible...Astonishing

It's one thing to lie it's another thing entirely to be a liar. Your assumptions are a reflection of who you are and what you do. Not everyone is twisted like you na.

I know I've butt hurt you so many times on nairaland till you got this new moniker, and my similar stance with Petra1 has been killing you adequately... But that's not a reason to slander me and another with unfounded accusations.

I've been on many tithe debate threads before you decided to get an Internet device, do well to carefully throw your tantrums elsewhere.

Thanks

Proclaim The Word To Everything Around You - Monday, January 30th .

Pastor Chris

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15).

Jesus didn’t send us to preach the Gospel to human beings only; He said, “Preach the Gospel to every creature.” That’s quite instructive. It means you can proclaim the Word to anything and everything around you, because everything in life has intelligence. Everything God made can hear and recognise His voice. Jesus proved this true. Once, He spoke to a tree and it withered from its roots (Mark 11:12-14, 20-21).

Perhaps your car has been grounded; if you’d talk to it; if you’d release words of power to that car, before long, it’ll be back on the road. Maybe your house and everything in it is getting old, you can call forth a renewal. Declare, “House, in the Name of Jesus, you’re renewed.” Walk through the rooms and prophesy that new furniture, decorative items, electronics, etc., are coming in the Name of Jesus!

Many haven’t come to that point of prophesying and speaking the Word to everything around them; so they complain. Don’t complain; proclaim the Word. Maybe you only have one pair of shoes; instead of complaining to God about it, declare, “I invoke the blessing of God on this shoe, to bring forth a harvest.” Then, give it to God as an offering. Before long, you’ll have more than enough shoes for yourself and to give as gifts to others.

You might ask, “Is it really that simple?” Sure it is! The principle is clear; Jesus said, _*“…Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit”*_ (John 12:24). Proclaim the Word to your seed; your money and the things you own. Speak to your offerings to the Lord and say, “You’re coming back in a multiplied harvest, in the Name of Jesus; I release you with the blessings of God.”

Don’t cry for the lack of money; don’t cry about something you don’t have; put the principles in God’s Word to practice and you’ll surely have a testimony

Prayer...
Dear heavenly Father, I thank you for making my life like a well-watered garden; I’m fruitful and productive always, and at all times. Everything and everyone that’s connected to me experiences the grace of God and responds to the influence and beauty righteousness that your produces. Goodness and mercy follow me every day of my life, and whatever I lay my hands to do prospers, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

2 Corinthians 4:13.
We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Hebrews 13:5-6
[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 21:1-32,
Exodus 18-19

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 11:1-10,
Genesis 30

plainbibletruth:
Don't MISREPRESENT what we are saying.
What we are saying is this: The Christian is NOT UNDER ANY obligation to tithe.
The Christian is to personally choose what to give and should not be coerced, pressured or manipulated in any form to give any particular amount or particular PERCENTAGE of money.
The rule is - each one should give as he has purposed in his heart. To that extent, MANDATORY TITHING runs CONTRARY to God's rule for GIVING for the new Testament believer.








I can't recall mentioning that Christ has personally given me a new revelation. ALL that we need for our spiritual under the New Covenant has been given to us. AND, btw, TITHING IS NOT included there.

Thanks for your time

^^^

And my answer remain same

Did you just write that the bible assumed Melchizedek existed as a priest? I have corrected you before, that he doesnt have beginning of day nor end of life is not the same as it was not recorded.

I told you Christ did not succeed (pass baton) Melchizedek....Na wa for u o. Of same priesthood is not same as passing baton.Christ did not succeed him, if Christ did then it means Melchizedek is no longer existing. Christ brought us salvation, he is a priest of his own kind, but of d same order o! Of his own kind was because he brought us salvation with his blood, Melchizedek didnt....but all of them are of same ORDER!

Hebrews 7v 11AMP:
Now if perfection (a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper) had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood—for under it the people were given the Law—why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, [size=32pt]one after the order of Melchizedek, [/size] rather than one appointed after the order and rank of Aaron?

Isn't it amazing that after all these years my writings agree with themselves and you all just keep changing stance.

If it's not

1. Tithing is of the law; it'll be

2. Tithing is not monetary or

3. Tithe of Abraham was war spoils only

4. Tithing is a sin and tithers and their pastors will go to hell

Etc

I've seen it all bro

brocab:
You tithers, watch and listen, what the prophetess Glenda Jackson said about you TITHERS surprise surprise, you won't make eternity with the Lord-but you will spend eternity in Hell, with your pastors.
Don't be fools-come back to the word of God, and be saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omfir6TJl58

Do you share same belief?

plainbibletruth:
So, you prefer to stand AGAINST the clear word of God. If that is your choice what can we say?

Where is tithing against the word of God ooooo?

What Deception is in this: Does our FREEDOM in Christ cover our giving? Absolutely YES!

The HISTORY of the early Church show how believers gave. There were numerous instances of GIVING. Not once was TITHING or any form of MANDATORY GIVING mentioned. Not once!
Or did you not read through well?
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Don't shift the goal post... The question is, where did anyone here say tithing is mandatory (a must)?

I see!! You are WORKS DRIVEN! That is why you guys feel that you need to DO TITHING in order to earn God's approval. No wonder!

I gree... Will you let me and tithing be now? See as you stylish avoided this

Since Christ has given you a better revelation, how come you haven't started the revival? Start your own church and teach the new revelation God's given you na... All this mouth here can't help you on the day he asks you "how far"


I can understand why

BERNIMOORE:
Nothing like ''priesthood order'' of melchizedeck but rather ''order of Melchizedeck'' order here means 'likeness' or 'similar'/ 'similitude'
Hebrew 7:15
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

Na wa o...

So for example, King James version is different from the version of King James?



Heheheheh

You Have The Authority Of Jesus - Sunday, January 29th

Pastor Chris

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen (Matthew 28:18-20).

In our opening scripture, Jesus tells His disciples that all power (authority) in heaven and on earth has been given to Him. Philippians 2:9-10 says, “Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth.”

The Father gave all authority to Jesus. It wasn’t all the presidents of the world that came together and vested all authority on Jesus; it wasn’t done by democracy; it was God’s sovereign discretion. He alone could do such a thing. Now, Jesus says to us, the believing ones, “On the basis of the authority given to me by the Father, I commission you to go preach the Gospel and teach all nations.” He delegated His authority to the Church, to go make pupils and students of the nations of the world; to teach them how to live.

Your authority in Christ is perfect and absolute. No evil, demon, or darkness can resist it as you preach the Gospel with boldness everywhere. Mark 16:17-18 says, “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” This is a sovereign declaration of deity. It’s a law in the realm of the spirit. When you speak in the Name of Jesus, it’s as though Jesus Himself were speaking.

Therefore, do all things in His Name; live in the authority of His Name. Refuse to allow the devil run rampage in your environment; use your authority in Christ against the devil and he’ll have no choice but to flee. Hallelujah!


Prayer....
Dear Father, I thank you for the privilege and authority to use the Name of Jesus; the Name that is above all names. At the Name of Jesus, demons tremble, chains are broken, doors are open, and mountains crumble. And in the power and authority of that Name, I go forth today in victory, reigning and ruling over circumstances, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
John 14:12-14
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

Acts 3:6 & 16
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. & 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.


Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 20:17-34, Exodus 16-17

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Matthew 10:34-42, Genesis 29

Boss13:
You have just described your personal savior and god - Pastor Chris. I thought you worship Jesus?

Why are you like this?

donnie:
Sure I did! America has had a visitation from God.

Benny Hinn said "America needs Nigeria now more than ever"

The carnal minds will not understand

Seun:
Where can we watch it?

YouTube... Search for Benny Hinn and pastor Chris


You didn't answer me na.. The pics Part

plainbibletruth:
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1

I and other tithers want to be burdened.. We appreciate your concern, but.. We're just fine bro

Does our FREEDOM in Christ cover our giving? Absolutely YES!

The HISTORY of the early Church show how believers gave. There were numerous instances of GIVING. Not once was TITHING or any form of MANDATORY GIVING mentioned. Not once!

No need for this deception. Where did you see anyone say tithing is a must? Is it not you guys that keep saying tithing must be stopped?

Instead what we find is the encouragement and challenge to choose to give and be generous in giving.

Today's tithing PROMOTERS however have succeeded in robbing the Christian of his freedom purchased by Christ and have used all kinds of gimmicks to yoke the believer to a system of GIVING not mandated for the church age.

Since Christ has given you a better revelation, how come you haven't started the revival? Start your own church and teach the new revelation God's given you na... All this mouth here can't help you on the day he asks you "how far"

BERNIMOORE:
nobody is stopping you and dont even make yourself so important as if you are the main topic of discussion, but rather tell us ''the order of priesthood that you claim that jesus belong'' that you relied on in teaching tithing and not voluntary giving

BERNIMOORE:
on page 15 this is what you said below;



You earlier claimed in your post that "Jesus belong to an order of priesthood" but failed to tell us "the order of priesthood"

It's a no brainer na... It's the order of Melchizedek

it is very important to this discussion because of the The strange claim that Abraham paid tithe"through that strange priesthood order" so tell us the"priesthood order" that Jesus belong Are you happy now!

It's embarrassing you didn't really know this

plainbibletruth:
ANYTHING SERIOUS in the Word of God that the Christian needs to comply with is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the epistles. Anything not stated there as REQUIRED of the Christian is UNIMPORTANT - TITHING INCLUDED.

Lol... Smoking was not stated as required... So, it's unimportant in Christian habit?

Gambling too?

Balanced diet was not stated as required, is it unimportant.? (remember a gym was mentioned... And required sef)

I want to think that you're old enough as a Christian to know that the issue is not about us. It is about God. Did Uzzah complain when he wanted to help God with stabilizing the Ark? Did God accept his non-complaint? The issue is not whether tithers are excited about doing it or not, the issue is are they doing God's will?

So, it is against God's will to tithe? Nothing I no go read for nairaland

Any scriptures?

Let us not go into semantics and grammar like Gombs tried to do with i think Candour. What is the difference between NECESSITY AND MANDATORY? Hardly any difference.
Merriam Webster Dictionary:[i][/i]
necessity - something that you must have or do: something that is necessary.
necessary - so important that you do it or have it : absolutely needed.
So, what is your take?

Lol... I laughed because your painment for tithing is driving you southward

When you guys switch to using 'eternal principles' to push tithing you are actually saying that it something established from before time to be observed. And when you do that are you not saying it is MANDATORY and not left free will decision?

Is this what you comprehended?

BERNIMOORE:
Nothing to hold on, they are hell bent on cherry-picking selected tithe law, they are bent on misleading, but objective readers can easily discern their lustful greedy motives, kudos to All on this page standing by the truth, no one is saying that you shouldn't donate to the church but don't call it tithe because we are not under curse but grace

I will tithe... Come and stop me.

petra1:


Ta ló ń kó omo mala ni yooba?

Jesu noni, sir

petra1:
I've told you what to do



That's not nice . Hide for who? Don't you have another moniker?



All these because of one question

Gombs!! . . . See what I'm saying .

Hehe.. It was anticipated na...

petra1:
Honesty test. 001. They can't admit it . That means they get my point . Case closed. The rest will be Yabis watch out . When bible fail na yabis remain.

Ah... I know them na... Wella


They'd rather deactivate than admit. E fi trash le fun LAWMA

petra1:
Jealous? Wetin consign" you. Freedom of association. You get your buddies don't you?



FA far far fa FOUL! . It's carnal of you to think that way. Tithes is one of the least givings . I'm serious . 10% May look big in your eyes but for givers it's the least . Some of us even give more than the 10% as tithes . Because it just looks so small . I personally reverted back to 10% since it's what God demanded . I can channel money to other projects . The free will giving is far higher than tithes . People give lands and cars . People give millions for Gods work. What is common 10%? Didn't you hear how people bought plane for their pastor? How much tithe will buy that.

They think it's tithing that keeps the church.. How carnal

petra1:
A man must stay where his conviction is. If you don't believe in what they teach , find your place . If not you can't be blessed

Exactly sir

Candour:
See the scripture below

Hebrews 7:8 KJV
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them , of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

What do you think the bolded portion means with respect to your obvious good knowledge of English language? Past tense or past continuous? Are you still going to argue with the bible on its specificity as it concerns this particular incident?

Where does Bible indicate that Abraham paid tithes again and to whom?

Candour.. I can understand why you can't answer me.. It's OK bro

Candour:
No vex bro. I greet you a mullion times abeg. Twale for you

Much respect bro!

The bible indicated just once. Can you now point to any scripture that indicates otherwise?

Is that sufficient to conclude it was just once? For Abraham' prayer to God was indicated once (the second wasn't really a prayer) does it mean he prayed once since it was recorded once?

Genesis 14:20 KJV
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Scripture used plural there, are you saying it was also multiple times inside this one "spoils of war"?

Egton, get my point.. No come shift goal post na

The Bible recorded REVCEIVETH as in receives tithe... Receiveth is a continuous term meaning receives not received

Keypoint is... Levites paid to Melchizedek (even today ie Jews ) in Abraham... Out father of faith.

If the Bible uses a present continuous tense to suggest tithes are received and paid by levites to Melchizedek in Abraham our Father of faith, how much more we (Christians) who belong to the priesthood of Judah in that same order of Melchizedek? Remember Jesus is the high priest we are priests. These said, how then could you say tithing is obsolete?

I'm not trying to convince you, we've been through this longer than any folk here except Petra1

This is for readers sake.

Exactly what the bible means is what u mean too

You're yet to explain

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek in Abraham"?

MuttleyLaff:
Nothing to explain,
what where you expecting to be used for Levites.
Of course, if one Levite, then one tithe was paid,
but since its more than one Levite who proxy Abraham paid tithe, then the plural tithes is used.
SMH, can't believe anyone will ask for this to be explained.

Back off, if I needed your 'intelligence' I'd have requested so.. Until then, back off

Junia:
They didn't pay tithe to Melchizedek

Stop lying na

In addition, we might even say that these Levites-- the ones who collect the tithe--paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him.

You're having comprehension challenge or what?

Check the last part
When their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him
They didn't pay tithe to Melchizedek, it was Abraham
who paid tithes to him. So because of what Abraham
has done, it can be assumed that the levites have
paid tithes to Melchizedek.

I think I am done with you.. Thanks bro

Junia:
It doesn't change the fact that the tithe is what they are paid from

You lied that the tithes were given to them.. It's different from they are paid from it.


The reason is, Some church tithes for a month is 8 to 9 digits.. You claiming it's given to Bishops is a huge lie.

Junia:
They didn't pay tithe to Melchizedek

Hebrews 7:9-10 KJV
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. [10] For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.


Easy English
So, by the *priests in his family, Levi gets the tenth part from the people. But we could say that, by Abraham, Levi also paid a tenth part to Melchizedek.


Are you saying that the Bible lied? Candour.... Are you of same thought process?

In addition, we might even say that these Levites-- the ones who collect the tithe--paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him.

Check the last part
When their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him
They didn't pay tithe to Melchizedek, it was Abraham who paid tithes to him.

All these is just to discredit tithing o... Your brazenly lying and twisting plain grammar just as you fought the "first church" till I nailed you to the cross of humility.

I mean... See plain English o

So because of what Abraham has done, [b]it can be assumed [/b]that the levites have
paid tithes to Melchizedek.

Lol

Candour... Come and see o

Junia:
You don't know and im telling you
Some may be used for other things
But i was told that is what the Bishops are paid from

Better rendered this way...

Don't you just feel better with yourself now? Truth liberates.

Go and sin no more

Candour:
You tell me where scripture remotely suggests Abraham paid tithes on anything apart from the spoils of his ONLY war. See the scripture

Ahn ahn... Answer greetings na

You'd do good to answer me first. Thanks

Hebrews 7:9-10 KJV
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. [10] For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

The bold portion is very time specific. Can you point to any other time?

Time specific? Candour... It's me o, not some rookie

The bible said "TITHES"... notice the plural

Receiveth is a continuous term meaning receives not received

Keypoint is... Levites paid to Melchizedek (even today ie Jews ) in Abraham... Out father of faith.

You're yet to explain

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek in Abraham"?


Thank you

Candour:
Pastor joagbaje with spiritual gymnastics as usual. See what Abraham paid tithes from

Hebrews 7:4 KJV
Now consider how great this man was , unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Are you saying the holy spirit lied there that it was from ONLY spoils of that particular war?

Hey buddy.. Long time

Good to have you around.

What do you understand by the term "levites paid tithes to Melchizedek through Abraham"?

Is there any chance in scriptures that suggests Abraham paid tithes once?

annunaki2:
Dunce, Paul was inspired to write scriptures himself. The scriptures used in his time were the epistles.

1. Why call me a dunce? Is that proper in a civil discussion?

2. Paul quoted the law and writings of the prophets many many times. What they had then was the not what you assumed. By the way, do you know what epistles mean?

annunaki2:
If my pastor is ignorant of the fact that church tithing is a fraud, then I am rest assured God talks to me more than such a pastor.