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Nice one, tassmal.

thelastdon:
dt guy is an animal

I repeat, Our ADMIN is an animal

You don't have to insult him publicly. Only God knows what you did that made him ban you (offtopic posts I guess??). Besides, you were only banned from posting for an hour (am I right?), not that you were banned from using the forum. Abi?

U dey ask again?

I don dey around since o. I just nor wan contribute.

Lastdon? Admin?? fit??

very funny

nferyn:
Expand your argument, goodguy. I'm waiting

My point is this:

Suffering (in this context) is something incurred on oneself as a result of one's ability to choose freely the way he lives. Therefore, in the presence of freewill, suffering is inevitable. That explains why there's so much suffering in the world today. It's not because God is unfair/wicked/evil, but because he's JUST. He has given us the option to choose, but also adds that we should choose wisely.

So in anyway, it is impossible for there to be freedom of choice and freedom from suffering at the same time.

What makes you think God is not real?

That's the point I'm trying to make exactly. But I'd like to know how both are possible at the same time, according to nferyn.

nferyn:
Topically, yes, please answer. Are both possile?

How possible is that? Freedom of Choice and Freedom from suffering? Can they really go together? (You will have to assume God exists in order to answer this appropriately).

No idea.

Age.

Comb

@Wes, I already said they can't be true. But I read it somewhere.

But you know, some things could be ignored. You don't have to respond to every post. If you don't find it funny, you ignore.

Easy..

I asked you to explain but I wasn't expecting you to digress into predestination. That was why I said we should not deviate.

Anyway, let's go back to the topic.

Very correct. I actually read on one old magazine that two bodies (the sailor's and a passenger's) were found alive deep down in the ocean after 78 years! (1990 to be precise). They showed their pictures. The other passenger was still dressed in the old English attire, while the sailor was still wearing his uniform also. I know it can't be true, but it's almost totally convincing! The name of the magazine is WEEKLY WORLD NEWS. I searched the net for the story to see if it's actually true and I came across their website. (Of course, the newspaper is old so the story can't still be on their site today since it's usually updated frequently).

Anyways, as I was saying, Do you think the young Jack of then (if he resurrects today) will still be attracted to the old Rose of today?

God does not want your money. But it touches His heart deeply to see you give freely to his annointed (pastors/men of God), hence, the statement:

"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse... if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. "

But then, a lot of people have mistaken God for a trader. 'Buy one, get one free'.

As nicetohave always says, we need to deviate a little in order to prove our points.

I'm trying as much as possible to stay on track with Seun's first post, that is, the reason why he stopped believing. Let's not deviate into "predestination", as that does not have anything to do with the discussion at hand.

In reference to Seun's post now;

If we're to clearly understand why God allows suffering, we must squarely face another important question - How can we have true freedom of choice and still gain freedom from suffering? We desperately want both, but are both possible at the same time?

Chrisd, we're saying the same thing here. "Freely ye have received, freely give". I don't believe there are pastors who force one to pay tithes. What I know they do is "encourage".

joftech:
I live and receive God's blessing simply because of God's mercy on me, not on my self-proclaimed righteousness or tithe payingness.

You're right here.  So many people who don't pay tithes are very comfortable today.  It's not the payment of the tithe that makes God bless you, rather, it's how willingly your heart gives to the annointed of God.  Afterall, we have a lot of people who spend their life savings on the church but are no different from the church mouse.  It's not your money God wants.  God just loves a cheerful giver.  

Look at this verse: (Malachi 3: 10)

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

See that text in bold. That seems to be the confusion, hence, the controversy.

Point of correction: I have never engaged in any debates concerning freewill on this land, though I might have participated in such topics.

Now back to the topic:

Actually, someone like Seun who was once a believer will be in a better position to understand my point here.  I have read your arguments on freewill and I see that you make a lot of sense.  If I'm not mistaken, your arguments were based on fate/destiny and freewill. I really didn't have anything to say, that was why I decided to not to contribute.

But now, we aren't talking of destiny or fate here so I really would like you to explain what you mean by, "Free will is incompatible with an omniscient God" before I go on with my arguments.

Where is Seun?

Freedom from suffering.. I see.

But then, there will be no freewill. God is not the type that forces us down on a particular path, rather, he allows us to choose the way we go. That explains why there is suffering in the world today. We all want to live our lives, our own way, yet, we want suffering to stop. How possible is that, knowing the normal human nature?

joftech:
I know you will belief that, you know i have told you that before.

How can someone be laying claims to what's generally not possible.

Some people are so gullible sha.

Boy, I haven't said I believe him, neither have I said I don't. The point I was trying to make there was why would you be so quick to call someone a liar when you don't even know him from anywhere? Do you know the type of life he lives?

So many long posts.

@Topic:

As regards Seun's first post, let me ask this question.

Knowing that you can only have one of these two options, which would you choose? =>

Freedom of Choice or Freedom from suffering ??