Chemcrown:
We don't interpret the bible with human philosophy.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who distort the bible to suit their doctrine.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who will not allow members consult other literature for understanding.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who brainwash people and baptise members into their believe without due obedience to the word of God.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who pick part of the bible because it 'seemingly' agreed with what they believe in.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who keep making erroneous blunders in their interpretation of God's word.
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who pride in been the only recognizable saints and still causing chaos in the Christiandom (thank God, they never associate with Christianity).
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who subjects member to only what they teach rather than allowing the members to seek God on their own (a theory of 'we will get to God for you, you just believe in what we say)...
I wouldn't expect less from an organization who are found of argument rather than preaching the word. They don't preach but brainwash the gullible and argue with the wise.

Brocab, Solite and the rest, these people will just be arguing and calling you liars when you have shown them some prove that negate their believe. And there is no much difference between new world translation and new world order. I believe you know them.

Is that what they told you about them?
You call it lie even when it's shown to you from the Bible? At least they are proud to follow the true Bible teachings. Not false doctrines like you and your cohorts.

solite3:
D whole world can c ur lies dolphineheart.lies which are false witnesses trade mark.Barrister quoted half of my words n started contradicting himself with it.dolphinsheart said Jesus has same nature as the father n when I quoted him he started attacking it. Goodnews said Jesus is THE MIGHTY GOD but when I showed him where Jehovah was also called THE MIGHTY GOD he suddenly change topic.@jws Who do u think u re deceiving. I don't take u serious anymore

Why are you jumping from here to here? Anyways that a sign of a confused person.
Did we ever talked Jesus being the mighty God?
Listen my discussion with you has been about Jesus being a subject to the Almighty God and that he was created.
I have shown you from the scriptures that he subject himself to his father and he was also created by his father yet you ignored it and u are here saying another thing, you are truly confused.

Brigance:

Yes, and yes, they are the Almighty. Just like Jesus.

There can never be more than one Almighty!

Brigance:


Show to us that Jesus is not one of those wannabes.

I didn't tell you Jesus is the Almighty, did I?
I aksed the name of your God.

Weah96:


Almighty God.

His personal name?
There are so many wanna be almighties.

Brigance:


For one, Buddha.

Are they more than one? Are they the Almighty?

Weah96:


Bigger Gods. Your god is their junior cousin.

Name of your God?

Brigance:


The spirit of God inspired those too.

Which God? Name?

Brigance:


case you don't know, others were inspired by spirits too...
case you don't know, others prophesied too..
case you don't know, others made 'satisfactory' comments about death too...

question is, why should the bible be taken serious and the detriment of others?

It's simple and I'll repeat the Bible is inspired of God and his holy spirit!
Which spirit and who inspired those other religious books of yours?

Brigance:



What??

You think only the bible has passed the test of time?

The Torah and Tanach for Judaism?

Quran and Hadith for Islam?

Tripitaka and sutras for Buddhism?

Bhagavad- Gita and Rig Veda for Hinduism?

These have passed the test of time too...

The question remains that how can you arrive at the conclusion that the Bible is remarkable compared to others when the only religious book you've ever read is the bible? Don't you think its presumptuous?

Its simple, out of them all the Bible has actually claimed to be inspired of God and his holy spirit!
It prophesied about some events happening today long before they started occurring! Did it happen by chance? Certainly not, the Bible surely is inspired of God and God will make sure His words come to fruition!
That's why I said earlier it's explanation about death is satisfying because only a book that is inspired of God can truly explain death.

Brigance:


Howdy, howdynaija?

How many religious book have you read?

I Hope you know that there are more than 5000 religion, each cluctching a set of tenets.

If you've read these books, what loopholes have you seen in them to arrive at the conclusion that bible satisfactorily correct these anomalies?

Granted there are countless other religious books out there, but the Bible has actually passed the test if time.
Again those other books can never claim to be inspired of God just like the Bible!
Besides the explanations given by the Bible makes sense and are reasonable, they're also satisfactory!
In all the Bible is truly a remarkable and reliable book!

solite3:
[/s] He is exposing your lies n watch tower society instead of you ranting I expected u to find out for urself. Who is twisting scriptures BTW u n I,u want me to believe what d bible does not teach.

See who's talking, do you know what the Bible teaches?
I qoute straight and simple scriptures you twisted them, in fact you fall my hand big time.
Revelation 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Read it again, Jesus is beginning of God's creation!

This post is educative and it's supposed to be on the FP, surely the dead are simply helpless and no existent!
I also like job 27:3 you qouted, people actually believe our spirit travel all the way to heaven to be with God.
God must have a warehouse full of dead peoples spirits.
If people are dead and are in heaven or hell what's the need for resurrection and judgment?

Sadly most people has been allowing the devil to cloud their reasoning with false beliefs!

howdynaija:


ministeriallist, The scripture is the only safety we have if we'd escape the lies of the devil and his agents. Most peoples' challenge is that, they read the Bible with preconceived ideas...so they try to twist scriptures to suit what they've already been thaught by their pastors and priests and GOs etc. God has not and will never leave us in darkness as regards any topic he wants us to know from the scriptures. Revelation 1:3 - Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

solite3:
I will advise u to ignore Barrister he is fond of twisting word's n raining insults.

And what does this your man do? Check his post and tell me if that's how a normal talk. Well you won't say the truth about him, by the way talking about twisting you do that more. I just showed you portions of the Bible that says Jesus was created you twisted them to suit your doctrine.

solite3:
so the bible is now a false teaching? All I ve done is give verses that shows you d meaning of what you quoted and u said I mock myself.may God forgive and help you.

Which meaning? Hmmmm, so are you saying Jesus wasn't created? Smh for you, you are the one that needs help. For real.

solite3:
first born means the most exalted.psalm89:27

See you, firstborn now means exalted? Maybe you are here to mock yourself, continue. The Bible clearly stated he's the firstborn of all creation and you saying another thing to siut your false doctrine.

solite3:
I don't dance around scriptures like u do. As for the quote.The beginning of God's creation means the source of God's creation. John1:3.let scripture interpret itself.

Na waoo, so this is how you understand your Bible?!
John 1:3

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
King James Version (KJV)

Does this place mean Jesus wasn't created?
Of course not.

Read that revelations 3:14 very well.
that place said beginning of the creation of God, unless you are trying to add to what the Bible said.




Another portion that shows Jesus was created.
Various Bible translations
> Colossians > Chapter 1 > Verse 15

◄ Colossians 1:15 ►
New International Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

New Living Translation
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Berean Study Bible
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Berean Literal Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

New American Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

King James Bible
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

International Standard Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

NET Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

What is hell?

solite3:
quote it

This is just one of them, I know you'll dance your way round it.


Revelation 3:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God!

If I show you in the Bible Jesus was created will you take it? Let's start there.

solite3:
so the bible is now a false doctrine continue
2Evidence in your magazine,oga which evidence
]3:Are you saying God didn't created Jesus? When the Bible has said so? Na waoo.please kindly post it for the world to see
4:
" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28
God is always the Almighty and doesn't subject himself to anyone but Bible clearly shows Jesus was made to subject to him!
I m not surprise d way u misinterprets bible even devil did it.
Like I keep saying you must know your God, not a matter of saying you are serving him In spirit.keep on following man's idea of God.

The true God of the Bible is ONE and has a son Jesus Christ who's also a subject to him! so that's what u know about God.

is the bible now a false teacher [/quote]

The Bible never said Jesus and God was equal you false teachers said so.

The son was created!
He was seen by men while he walked the earth, you can't never see God in any fashion and live!
The son died, can Almighty God die for any reason?
Some of the reasons that tells you they not equal neither are they the same person.

solite3:
I don't worship man's idea, worship of God is in the spirit not ideas or whatever.
do you know what it meansns to know God?

certainly not the scriptures.so says watch tower secret society.
so Jesus is not The creator again.
purely ur imagination, who told you part of God die.
yes was elevated after he became a man
go back and read Philippians 2 again
]Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself you are the one who is confused.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.what did you break down
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!
is the bible now a false teacher

1:Does worshiping God in truth means we accept Trinity, a false doctrine?

2:All evidences here has proven that the Bible doesn't support Trinity, did anyone qouted watchtower for you? Or you are just looking for excuse?

3:Are you saying God didn't created Jesus? When the Bible has said so? Na waoo.

4:
" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28
God is always the Almighty and doesn't subject himself to anyone but Bible clearly shows Jesus was made to subject to him!

Like I keep saying you must know your God, not a matter of saying you are serving him In spirit.

The true God of the Bible is ONE and has a son Jesus Christ who's also a subject to him!

solite3:
As the heavens are far above the earth so is God's way from your ways.Stop trying to limit God in your small mind

Then when you were describing him as part of Trinity, what were you doing?

The earlier you understand the true God and serve him the better, you can't worship what you don't know!

Learning about God doesn't in anyway means you are limiting him.
You rather limit him when you define him as what he is not.

solite3:
dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

I quoted you because you said God can't be defined, the we just believe.
That's not true it's God you define and know your God!
Besides why describe him as a truine God if you say we can't define him? That contradicts your statement. God can be defined and fortunately the Bible did, search it well. Don't believe blindly!
And the God of the Bible was never a Trinity!

solite3:
Jesus is the truth.the bible bear witness of him stop trying to use your carnal mind to understand God cause God is a spirit.

Did you read anything about God not being a spirit in my post?

Let me say it again: it's ideal you know whatever God you claim to serve, having different ideas about God definitely means all of us can't be right!
Then I said it matters what we believe about God!
We need to have the true knowledge of God according to john 17:3, it is only then we can attain eternal life!

You have been told here 'God' isn't a triune God, Trinity in whatever form isn't a biblical teaching!
Jesus is not his Father, and his father the Creator isn't Jesus who came and die for me and you! (John 3:16)
Any part of God Almighty will never be created and God himself can't die, who died was the son!
Was resurrected by the father and was exalted to a superior position no one has ever attained.
Philippians 2:9 shows Christ was exalted after Hus resurrection. And it was by God, His father who is Superior and greater as well!

If he was Almighty God himself or equal to the father, what's the need of exulting him again? Will he now become greater than the Father?
Ponder over these points, stop confusing yourself.
It's a simply matter that's why I had to break it down.
Trinity was introduced by false teachers!

solite3:
dolphineheart I understand that some scriptures may seem difficult for you to understand but if you truly desire and receive christ into your heart the scale will be removed. U will understand everything like the broad day light. Your burden will be lifted, the God that was with the apostles is still around today and still doing wonders.God is not limited to what we think that's why he is JEHOVAH you see we Christians don't border to define God we simply believe.Let me tell you, if you want the truth follow the example of daniel.U can be free!

But please can one believe a God he doesn't understand?
Daniel definitely knows the true God and served him. He didn't serve a truine God.
It matters what we believe because Jesus said only when we know the truth will we be truly free!
Besides the fact that there is no agreement in beliefs shows some must be wrong, hence the need for us to reason on a platform like this.

The Bible doesn't discourage sharing and defending ones beliefs. Acts 17:2,3 Paul shared his beliefs with others!

Splinz:


Bro, if only they'll even come and say any of that. All they do is to sneaked in and out. I think this truth is just too bitter for the trinitarians, hence, why they're all running away.

Some know the truth but the problem is admitting it.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28New International Version (NIV)

27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 

28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

There is always and will always be one God and father of all!
The Bible talks about Jehovah and Jesus as separate personalities, if God placed everything under him and he was made to subject himself after all to him who put everything under him. How in turn will they be one and equal?

Just wait they'll come and call you an atheist for not supporting Trinity. Or they'll say it's a mystery.

2 Timothy 3:3 springs to mind. Heartless people, but I blame the org not the self

Anyway, I'm out.

Quite funny, you are out. Good, to which better religion? Maybe like someone said you were never a JW neither did you made the truth your own. All of you have always fail to tell us the better religion! Until you do so we will take you disgruntled peeps serious.

Barristter07:
solite3



you made this accusation because they simply ask you if you AGREE WITH THE BIBLE that Jesus will be subjected to his Father ?

respond to the question and stop this irrelevant accusations

Na their way, admitting that their belief is wrong is always difficult for them. They'll rather blindly stick to it and call you names!

solite3:
sincerely ur own ignorance is bliss.how can God be subject to God.keep misquoting scriptures.one thing that gladdens my heart is that u already agreed that Jesus has God's nature.u ve no excuse before God.

The issue is the father is greater! Even in my ignorance u know that, it's very clear in the scriptures that Jehovah is the God of Jesus Christ and he is and will always be subject to him. You haven't been able to refute that fact, yet u resort to calling me names. You can't even explain your Trinity. I know that, it's a false doctrine!

solite3:
what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

It's a simple and straight question, is Jesus not subject to his Father?