solite3:
Jesus said he came not to do his human will.There is a difference between his divine nature and his earthly nature.Jesus came took servanthood on HIS OWN

Even in his divine nature he will and is always subject to his Father, creator, the one that exalted him and placed his enemies under his feet! So the Bible clearly shows one is superior and one is subject to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:27,28 shows God put everything under him which shows he has more authority.

After everything God will be all in all, whether in heaven or on earth he has always been his father's subject!

solite3:
[b][/b] u and those questions. God's name has always been Jehovah since d days of moses.how will Jesus be revealing a name d Jews already know? U re not making sense. I asked u a question n u re asking me back? Common u re better than that show me the verse where Jesus personally said my father's name is Jehovah.yes Jesus quoted d scripture but that was not Christ own personal words was it? So d ball is on ur court

The problem is with translation, God's personal name appeared several places in the Bible. But were obviously removed in line with the enemy's wish! The Devil doesn't want people to know and use God's personal name he wants people to remain in darkness.


For instance in matthew chapter 4 'Jehovah' was supposed to be there because Jesus was quoting a popular verse already know by the Jews.


Look at this translation:

(Matthew 4:10
Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and him alone shall you serve.' “

Jesus here was clearly referring to someone different from him and that's the father!

Many translations have removed God's personal name here and replaced it with titles "lord and God"!

Now this is from wikipedia:

"Jehovah" was popularized in the English-speaking world by William Tyndale and other pioneer English Protestant translations such as the Geneva Bible and the King James Version.[2] It is still used in some translations, such as the New World Translation and Young's Literal Translation, but it is does not appear in most mainstream English translations, as the terms "Lord" or "LORD": used instead, generally indicating that the corresponding Hebrew is Yahweh or YHWH.[3][4]:5

So when Jesus said he has made God's name known he had his father's personal name in mind.

Post like this are supposed to be on the front page, but unfortunately it won't.

eplanning:


A mad man is on the loose. You do not deserve a response from me. Abeg NEXT!

I know your type, first to call others name.
Yet they're swimming in confusion, at least I know what I believe and can explain it unlike you!
I see how insane you are.

eplanning:


Your case is very pathetic. Unknown to you, you are questioning your very own salvation by denying the resurrection. It is not resurrection if His body was not raised.

No one said he was taking up His former corruptible body. Or are you looking for an escape route? It was a glorified body. It was sown corruptible and raised incorruptible.

1Co 15:42-44
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


You see your life?
Jn 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
20 They replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?"
21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

Does a spirit have flesh and bones?

Luk 24:36-39
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38 And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

If after reading this you come here with another silly post, then we can safely conclude that you are either a cultist or one who needs to see a psychiatrist.

You are the confused person here, you agreed that Christ wasn't raised in flesh yet your other posts have shown you to be confused!
Stop limping stand on what you believe.
was Jesus resurrected as a spirit or not? that's the issue, stop running up and down saying he was resurrected with a glorified body and denying it again.
So you are saying he was raised in a physical body but a glorified one? Let's know where you stand.

eplanning:


Did I tell you He was raised with His former corruptible body or with a glorified (incorruptible) body? See yourself? You are confused already.
Or are you trying to escape?

You said he wasn't raised with his body shikina.

By the way, I did not ask you to quote more irrelevant scriptures. Kindly explain Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:31.

That means you don't even read other people's post, I answered your questions already.
Those portions are not saying he was raised with his former body.
He was resurrected before his body could rot away!

eplanning:


Show me where I said that Jesus was not made alive in the Spirit? It is not pisdible for the body to be raised without the Spirit. I said the body cannot be raised without the spirit. It is not possible for the body to be revived or rejuvenated without such rejuvenation beginnng from the spirit.

So this discussion you are trying to raise in uncalled for. Or are you looking for an escape route from your obvious confusions?

Why not start by explaing the scriptures that I shared with you to prove that His body was also raised and that He wasn't just raised in spirit as you claim?

Which scripture told you Christ was resurrected in spirit and body?

He was made alive in spirit and it's not necessary for him to take his former physical body after resurrection.


He sacrificed it according to John 6:51King James Version (KJV)

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

So doesn't need his former corruptible body as you are trying to make us understand.
it has been sacrificed taking it back means his death would worthless.

analice107:

Man, the JW and their half truths nauseates me. Take it somewhere else. I post you scriptures, very straight to the point scriptures yet you want for twist them. Get this straight, believe it or not, you will stand before God and answer to perverting the scriptures. Get out of my mention.

So that's why you label everyone JW, once they don't share your beliefs they're jw.
Which scripture is straight when it doesn't agree with other scriptures?
The Bible is harmonious!
You are not God yet you are always judge, well if you don't want to be mentioned leave this place. It's a public place, by the way you think know the truth and sure of salvation already. Beware!

analice107:

Man, the JW and their half truths nauseates me. Take it somewhere else. I post you scriptures, very straight to the point scriptures yet you want for twist them. Get this straight, believe it or not, you will stand before God and answer to perverting the scriptures. Get out of my mention.

So that's why you label everyone JW, once they don't share your beliefs they're jw.
Which scripture is straight when it doesn't agree with other scriptures?
The Bible is harmonious!
You are not God yet you are always judge, well if you don't want to be mentioned leave this place. It's a public place, by the way you think know the truth and sure of salvation already. Beware!

Edelweiss44:


Mr, when your oxygen supply runs out and you find your spirit being dragged away to hell by angry demons, YOU WILL CERTAINLY BELIEVE THERE IS A GOD, AND YOU WILL BELIEVE ALSO THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO LIFE YOU SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN WHILE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITIES HERE ON EARTH. I WEEP FOR YOU NOW BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT WANT YOU ENDING UP IN HELL, BUT YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE A CHOICE TO GO THERE BY REJECTING JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU STILL THINK THAT YOU CREATED YOURSELF, OR THAT THE WHOLE EARTH AND UNIVERSE APPEARED FROM NOWHERE ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN BEHIND IT, THEN I WONDER WHO ELSE SENATOR BEN-BRUCE SHOULD BE PREACHING COMMON SENSE TO IF NOT YOU.

So the demons drag deal people to hell?
In other words they determine who's hell bound. Very soon they'll start judging dead people too.

eplanning:


You cannot pick one portion of scripture and make a doctrine of it without examining it side by side with others and in line with truth.

Read my last post again and examine those scriptures.

Do you know the meaning of the word: glory or glorified ?
Everything that was human or subject to corruption is revived - glorified.
Jesus was glorified and we shall be glorified with him at the trumpet sound. That is the eternal hope of the christian- The hope of glory. Besides this, your faith is useless.

Psa 16:10
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell;
neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.


Act 2:31
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

YOU ARE SPEAKING LIES.

You claim to be a Bible student yet you say Jesus resurrected with his physical body and was not made alive in spirit as the Bible said, that's childish!
Read 1Co 15:35-38. And see what that place talks about resurrection, our flesh is compared to seed which when sowed germinate or sprout! if sown in corruption it will resurrect or sprout as it were to incorruption!

Again Colossians 1:8 called Jesus the firstborn from the dead! Does it mean Christ was the first to be resurrected? there has been accounts of resurrections in the Bible even before Jesus died and was resurrected.
It means Jesus is the first to be resurrected by God himself and the first to be resurrected in the spirit!

The Bible's view of resurrection is different from yours ooo.

Now the Bible said he was not allowed to see corruption.
Act 2:31
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

He was resurrected before his physical body or flesh rot away!

John 6:51King James Version (KJV)

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
(If he was resurrected in the flesh that means he took the sacrifice or flesh back, and his death would have been meaningless)!

analice107:

Only JW worships Angels.
I gave him scriptures which he twisted to mean what he believes them to mean, that's Watchtower's insignia.

Sorry you can't say whatever you feel like against JWs, stop lying against them.
Well that has always been your escape route labeling everybody that doesn't share your views as jw instead of defending it.

JWs don't believe that angels are to be worshipped, sorry.

analice107:

Pls JW keep your Watchtower blindfolds on but don't come here to tell me what you yourself don't know.
The Angel of his presence is Jesus only in JW dear.
Hebrews 1:5-8 For to which of the angels did [God] ever say, You are My Son, today I have begotten you?

And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He will be to Me a Son?

Moreover, when He brings the firstborn Son again into the habitable world, He says, Let all the angels of God worship Him.

Referring to the angels He says, [God] Who makes His angels winds and His ministering servants flames of fire;

But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness).

Pls tell me how many times any Angel has accepted worship from men? Does the Angel of his presence Accepts worship?

We see in Rev. 22:9 the same Angel of his presence saying to Apostle John " See that you do it not, for I am a fellow servant, and of thy Brethren the prophets and of them which keep the saying of this book: Worship God.

The" Man" (Joshua did not call him Angel) accepted worship just like Jesus Christ of Nazareth received worship from everyone who worshipped Him. Exactly with Abraham. The Bible said the LORD appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre, Abraham was by his tent, when he saw the three 'Men' he ran and bowed himself to the ground.

Man, any where you see man worshipping a supernatural being, it's definitely not an Angel.

Hebrews 1:6,8 Moreover, when He brings the firstborn Son again into the habitable world, He says, (Let all the angels of God worship Him) . (But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God), is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness).

Hebrews 1:13-14 (Besides, to which of the angels has He ever said, Sit at My right hand [associated with Me in My royal dignity] till I make your enemies a stool for your feet? Are not the angels all ministering spirits (servants) sent out in the service [of God for the assistance] of those who are to inherit salvation?

Have you seen Palms 110 being reiterated here?
I didn't say that 110 was referring to a past event. It was indeed a prophecy about Jesus Christ who was to be manifested in flesh later.
OGA at what point did other people started bearing the name JESUS? was it before or after Christ? Have you forgotten that that name was given to Joseph by an Angel, just like John's?
As a matter of Fact the Angel gave the meaning of the name Jesus to reflect why He was on earth.
People started bearing Jesus after Jesus had come and gone. Although, Joshua also means the same thing as Jesus but Jesus' name was a mission statement.

JW, I don't have time for Scriptures twisters. Pls stay off my mention.

What's wrong with you?
Is everybody that doesn't share your belief a JW? Does it mean one can't question your beliefs? If so what are you doing on a public forum? Na wa for you ooo

eplanning:


Is it partial or total blindness? God was manifested and man and angels saw Him period. He did not appear in His full glory and that's why men could see Him and still live.

Will a body resurrect without the Spirit?? It never happens, that will not be resurrection. But to say he resurrected as a spirit alone is to deny the resurrection. That is gnosticism.

If he was resurrected in flesh will he still be a spirit? Take note of the fact that the Bible said he was put to death in the flesh and made alive in the spirit.
Well it simply shows you doesn't believe portions of the Bible that said Jesus was resurrected as a spirit.

When the Bible said God was manifest in the flesh, does it mean God has to personally walk the earth? No, Jesus said anybody that has seen him has also seen the father!
He represented his father.

eplanning:
goodnews201668

He did not rise from the dead as a spirit but with a glorified body. He was flesh and bone yet He passed through walls. O glory! One day very soon, at the trump of God, i will put on mine.

Jn 20:26-28
26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!







1Ti 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,2 believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Take note of the "seen of angels". Will that be news if they saw Him in heaven before?

And did they remove the above passages from your JW bible too? Please stop believing and spreading lies.

For your mind anyone that have a contrary opinion or doesn't believe what u believe is a JW?


You have not said anything to prove that who people saw was God himself, Jesus always address himself as the son of God!

For your information Christ was resurrected as a spirit not just as a "glorified body" as u said.

Read this portions:
Acts 13:34 James Version (KJV)

34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

(The Bible said he will never return to corruption or flesh, 1 Corinthians 15:35-54 shows what corruption is our flesh!)

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

(he was made alive in spirit while dead in body).

Now the portion you shows that he was "received to glory", who received him if he was the same God that sent him?

Okay your difficulty is with the statement seen by Angels, the question is has Jesus been a flesh before? No, but the angels and humans including gentiles saw him as flesh. They were all eye witnesses so to say.
So I repeat no man will see God and live!

solite3:
u av been answered case closed

You can't and will never answer the questions because it will make your belief about Trinity contempt!

That's why you were simply running up and down.

solite3:
u av been answered case closed

You can't and will never answer the questions because it will make your belief about Trinity contempt!

tunnypop:


Jesus became a personality when he came to the world
John 1"In the beginning was the world, and the world was with God..."
John 1:14 NLT "So the word became human, and made his home among us..."

Okay, so what can you say about that phrase "was with God"?
Can he be with God and still be the same person? The Bible said he was with God, can he be with God and be the same person?

People saw Jesus as a man while he walked the earth, his disciples also had the privilege of seeing him after his resurrection as a spirit.
Can anyone see God in any form and live?

solite3:
.john1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God n d word was God.vs 18 and d word was made flesh.na me write am?

In other words your understanding is that since Jesus is Jehovah he became flesh and died for us? Is that it?

solite3:
.john1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God n d word was God.vs 18 and d word was made flesh.na me write am?

In other words your understanding is that since Jesus is Jehovah he became flesh and died for us? Is that it?

solite3:
can u there to answer those questions? stop running away from light d truth will set u free

Which question again?

tunnypop:

Both.

It can't be both, that's how confused one can be as far as Trinity is concerned.
The Bible shows that Jesus is a personality, there are so many discrepancies in the Trinity doctrine.

solite3:
Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is THE mighty God n not A mighty god.show me any verse of d bible where angels re ever called mighty God? angels are mere servants of God.Michael is an angel n do u no what Jesus is by far greater than him.Jesus is Jehovah God. if u think he is not answer the following questions

That Jesus is Jehovah God?
Does Jehovah die? Because Jesus died.
Jesus was sent to come and die for our sins, Going by what you said that means Jehovah have tasted death. Na for ur mouth I hear am ooo.

brocab:
To be honest, I actually don't know what sort of teachings you JW's believe in, only because none of are honest enough to share about it.
And of course I have tried asking some JW's, about your religion, and like many, you too' have taken my questions and answers the wrong way.
None what so ever have taken the bible seriously, like I do, you either try to re-arrange words taken from the bible, cursing me with words of hatred, casting the first stone against myself and the word, I had one of you JW's call the bible a lie, a miss print.
And it's your bible that holds the truth about God.
You must get it into your heads' we born again Christians are not against you, we are simply pointing out the word of God, not with a bible that's half written like the New World Translation, but from a bible I believe shows more of the truth about God, then any other bible that's written, the 1611 version.
Your bible isn't finished yet, and I do hope someday you all will understand the word of God, just as the Lord is teaching it to us from the beginning.
{John 8:44} You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murder from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth. Because their is no truth in Him.
{Revelation 2:12-13}Tells that Satan dwells in a Church. "And to the angel of the Church of Pegamos where Satan dwells,
{2 Corinthians 11:14} For Satan Himself is transformed into an angel of light.
{Job 1:6-12} One day the angels came in to present themselves to the lord and Satan came with them, and the Lord said to Satan where have you come from. "Satan answered the Lord" From roaming throughout the earth, going back and fourth into it.
{Revelation 12:10} The accuser had been caste down to earth. 10 makes it clear Satan has been accusing our brothers and sisters day and night before God.
I could write on about Satan-but I don't want to push you over with words you may not even recognize because your bible may not have even mention the above?

your statements again truly shows you have no case or that you're confused. JWs don't hide their beliefs, it has been shown to you many times, you simply didn't want to see it.
now you are shifting to Bible again, typical of you when you can't defend whatever you believe you'll start looking for excuse. the Bible they quote here are not even new world but you guys always say all manner of lies against them yet you think it's not lie and that you are not of Satan?
and Jehovah's witnesses believe the devil exist, okay. now the devil still dwell in the heavens even at the time of Job, read very well this time slowly.
after that I'll tell you two or three reasons why the devil was cast out of heaven after that time not before that time as you understand.

brocab:
It also says in {Revelation 1:8} Jesus is the Almighty God. You should read your own bible it tells it better, Jesus is even called the Jehovah God.

Read it very well, it's talking about two different people.
Read it well first before you start lying.

brocab:
Firstly their is not to many errors in my post, if you have read it more clearly its all written from the bible,
We have Gabrielle and Michael, I only mentioned Raphael name because the Catholic' version is quiet close to the Jw's versions of the bible.

And then we have Lucifer written in {Isaiah 14:12} How you have falling from Heaven O"Lucifer son of the morning! How are you cut down to the ground, who did weaken the nations. {Revelation 12:7-9} Says Lucifer and His angels fought against God and of course Michael and His angels fought against Him too.
I really didn't believe you would go for the falling angel story, Jw's don't even believe in the devil nor about Hell, only a grave.
And the war didn't break out after Jesus had returned to Heaven, if this was the case then your story believing Michael becoming Jesus on earth and then returning back as an Archangel into Heaven to fight the dragon, does not line up what you JW's believe in.
Who then was in the garden of Eden?

You are on every JW thread yet you don't know what they believe.
Anyways go back to that post, that Isaiah 14:12 has been explained.
Revelation chapter 12 is talking about the war in heaven.
While Isaiah chapter 14 is talking about Satan's falling.
But take not Satan was still in the heavens even after Adam and eve were created and sin against God.
He has not been casted out of heaven even after deceiving Adam and eve!
can I show you evidence?

solite3:
where did it say Jesus is a mighty God

That means you don't even read other people's post!
I cited Isaiah 9:6

solite3:
there is only one God nothing like a mighty God n anoda Almighty God. this is watch tower secret society idolatery. do u knw dat most christian cult love to idolise Michael?may God forgive u

Did you not read that Jesus is a mighty god? Or don't you see it in your Bible?
Didn't your own Bible contain the part Jesus addressed his father as the only true God? john 17;3

solite3:
point of correction Jesus is not a mighty God BT THE MIGHTY God

Well the point is Trinity is nowhere in the scriptures and Jesus never claimed equality with his God and father!
Trinity is a false doctrine!

Molake94:
Do You guys believe in Jesus as God or as a prophet or as what

Jesus is the son if God! was created by God himself that's why he's the firstborn of all creation. Through him other things were created. Colossians 1:15.
He is a mighty God, according to John 1:18 he is the only begotten god! Isaiah 9:6 again shows he's a mighty God.
But he is not equal with his father the Almighy God, he still subject himself to God! (John 20:17).
Prophet??

First of all prophecy means: An inspired message, a revelation of the divine will and purpose. Prophecy may be a prediction of something to come or an expression of a divine command or judgement!
So the question is did Jesus prophecy?
He foretold about the events that'll take place during our days and did other prophetic works!


He and his father are not equal, they one in the sense that they are united. He never claim equality with his father, so Trinity doctrine is from devil the lair!

Wait, are you trying to say Jesus is God's spoken word or a personality that was with God? Which one?

tunnypop:


In God I believe. Check john 1;1, 10
1. In the beginning was the word and the. word was with God, and the word was God.

10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Just like you can not separate the words coming out of you from you. Jesus is the word of God that was spoken and referred to. If you understand the trinity, then my point should be clear here.

John 10:30 says
"I and my father are one"

Blinders? If you mean watchtower, nobody has quoted watchtower for you here all the posts by JWs are from Bible! And from orher translations not even their Bible! If you think their belief on a particular subject is wrong, prove it!
You are fond of defending yourself all the time by mentioning watchtower and even calling JWs names. We are here to discuss and reason it's not compulsory that you most change everybody's beliefs here, but when things don't go your way you always pick offence. Sometimes you even judge people and destroy them or label them atheist or demons because they don't share the same beliefs with you.

analice107:

Take off the blinders, then we can talk