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Religion / Does Having An Encounter Or Seeing Jesus Make One A Better Christian? by goodnews201668: 2:13pm On Apr 24, 2016
I have heard some people actually talking about how someone was able to see Jesus or how Jesus ministered to them.
These ones tell us that after seeing Jesus their life was impacted immediately,
A popular pastor I know in Surelere Lagos as a matter of fact brags about how Jesus has appeared to him more than 40 times.
Is it possible to see Jesus? Has he ever appeared to you? What was the experience like?
Do you know anyone who has had such an experience, how did the person describe it?
Religion / Re: The Cross: Symbol Of The Accursed Not Christianity by goodnews201668: 1:53pm On Apr 24, 2016
kennedymonk:
Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God ? Is the father God?

Did the Bible said God or Jesus dies?
Religion / Re: The Cross: Symbol Of The Accursed Not Christianity by goodnews201668: 1:52pm On Apr 24, 2016
ichuka:

1cor1:18-19......18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
Dude to people like you(JW and co)the Cross is FOOLISHNESS but,to the Crucified once it's the Power of GOD.
Your wisdom and intelligence will only get you as far as your ceiling.
The Truth is that you guys can't comprehend the Power of God.not now or ever.

Before I tell you what God's power is, what is cross?
Religion / Re: The Cross: Symbol Of The Accursed Not Christianity by goodnews201668: 1:50pm On Apr 24, 2016
kennedymonk:
"If you deny the trinity you lose your soul, if your try to explain the trinity you shall lose your mind"- St. Augustin of hippo... I shouldn't explain this mystery

Jesus died on the cross

Lol, you guys can be funny eee.
You think everyone believe in Trinity? Yet their souls are intact, does it not show they have been lying to you?
After all the explanation the Bible gave you are still saying it's a mystery, well it's actually a mystery to you. But Bro try and look into your Bible.
Religion / Re: Does Hell Really Exist? by goodnews201668: 1:42pm On Apr 24, 2016
That actually shows how cruel she will be, she can no longer wait to start throwing people inside hell then she will happy that God is burning them.
She's cruel and as such think God is cruel too.

frank317:


Well, what do u expect from a lady whose mum had to make her under go torture for picking up money. I have always said it... You can't claim to be all good and holy yet condone hell. Then justify this wicked thought by saying humans take themselves there and not God.
The acceptance of hell as a justified punishment for sinners is only a prove that every human has a wicked side even though we don't accept it that's why justification of this wickedness is necessary.
This so called born again lady thinks she is all good and christlike and holy, yet somewhere in her good mind,she thinks Amaechi deserves to burn forever and ever becasue of his wickedness. Isn't such a thought wicked? Yet she thinks she deserves heaven despite having such a wicked thought.

Well analice, some if us also stole as kid but our parents did not torture us to do away with the act, yet we turned out good.
Religion / Re: Why Would A Loving God Send People To Hell fire? by goodnews201668: 8:00am On Apr 24, 2016
Richirich713:


So what happens to those who don't want to be in heaven?

They will ceast to exit, destroyed. That's enough punishment!
Religion / Re: Does Hell Really Exist? by goodnews201668: 7:52am On Apr 24, 2016
frank317:


Why do I have a feeling that if hell actually exists, u are going there. Seriously you can sit down and talk about the evil that men do, condem them and mentally send them to hell for being mean, heartless, and satanic. But whenever I read ur post u actually sound like the heartless one. Hell will actually be filled with people like u and ur God.
Man never created himself if we must go by ur nonsensical Bible story. God created man and gave him choice, he didn't just stop there, he put the evil tree in man's face and made him decide. He was practically pushing man to fail.
Ur God knew man could possibly make two choices... And when man made the wrong choice he didn't regret putting the tree there, he actually regretted creating man.... What the f**k.
Now man is evil... In a world of scarce means, over population, individual difference, need to survive, survival of the fittest, how exactly do u and ur God want man to behave?
You condemn thieves to hell like they deserve it. I really don't think even Hitler deserve hell. Why? Almost everyman can give justification for their action.
You call Amaechi names and think he deserve hell? I bet you, you don't know how many people survive on Amaechi's excesses. You see him as hell bound some see him as their life line.

Your God remains hiding, and instead of waving a hand to make evil go away he is busy pouring fuel in hell... Justice my asssss.

I am glad for judgement day, becasue that is when we will put him on trail and send him to hell, do u wanna join him or repent?

That's her way ooo, she can judge people and decide who goes to hell.
I said it to her before, any small thing she starts throwing people inside hell.
Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 1:31am On Apr 24, 2016
johnw74:





smiley cheesy

You just made me truly realize who you, I thought as much I'll stop quoting you nor replying your post,
Evil John, hater, apostate, liar, slander, hypocrite, impostor you actually had to operate with this account and you know the reason.
What the Bible said about you is true, you fit all the descriptions.
Religion / Re: Is It Fair That A Mere 70 Years Of ‪‎Sin‬ Be Punished By An Eternity In ‪‎Hell? by goodnews201668: 1:20am On Apr 24, 2016
CAPTIVATOR:


Beautiful

No other word better than beautiful?
Religion / Re: Is It Fair That A Mere 70 Years Of ‪‎Sin‬ Be Punished By An Eternity In ‪‎Hell? by goodnews201668: 12:57am On Apr 24, 2016
analice107:

No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

If man is truine like you always say, so when it comes to sin the spirit should be exonerated?
Only flesh of man sin abi?
His spirit which is part of man according to you.

Jesus didn't die because he was a sinner, he actually died to redeem us from sins.

The punishment for sin is death like he showed you from the Bible.
Religion / Re: Is It Fair That A Mere 70 Years Of ‪‎Sin‬ Be Punished By An Eternity In ‪‎Hell? by goodnews201668: 12:43am On Apr 24, 2016
analice107:

No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

So God lied when he said Adam will die the day he eat from the tree?
Religion / Re: What Is The Opposite Of Life ? by goodnews201668: 12:20am On Apr 24, 2016
Life and death are two extremes!
So the opposite of life is death.
If I am not alive I am dead.
Dead or alive, no middle ground and no way can one strandle death and life.
If one is not alive he's dead!
Religion / Re: The Cross: Symbol Of The Accursed Not Christianity by goodnews201668: 12:11am On Apr 24, 2016
ichuka:
The Cross Governs everything related to the new Life and the house of God.
Without the Cross God will stil be an imaginary being,without it there's no new life.christainity derives it power from the Cross.
Show me a cursed/condemned man and I will show you an uncrucified fool.

Please which Bible portions are you quoting?
Religion / Re: Does Hell Really Exist? by goodnews201668: 12:07am On Apr 24, 2016
Please I don't seem to get the op,
Is he saying someone went to hell and came back?
Does the op mean people are already going to hell prior to judgment day?
Are scientists the ones to suggest the location of hellfire?
So scientists are the ones now telling us the location of hellfire, they e end saw the gate? Na waoo.
So OP hellfire is now leaking? That mean we not safe, we are still battling global warming and it's effect now hellfire is leaking. Na double wahala oooo.
So they also saw the worms without entering hellfire?
By the way why are the worms in the vents of the sea not in hellfire?
Is hell to hot for them?
So one can actually dig beyond the gates of hellfire, what's he digging by the way?
Is this post also saying abyss is hellfire?
Did the Bible mentioned abyss as a fiery place?
Is volcano no longer one of the natural disasters?
So hellfire can erupt as volcano or what?
Someone perhaps the op should kindly make things clearer.

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Religion / Re: The Cross: Symbol Of The Accursed Not Christianity by goodnews201668: 11:10pm On Apr 23, 2016
kennedymonk:
If the cross is no good ... Why should God die on the cross

Did God or Jesus die?
By the way did he die on the cross?

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Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 10:52pm On Apr 23, 2016
johnw74:
At some point in time the dead in Christ will be resurrected incorruptible,
and we in Christ who are alive at that time will be changed also and caught up To Christ with them
in the clouds in the air.

In the same way Jesus who was flesh, was resurrected, with His body changed from corruptible to incorruptible,
His body was changed and resurrected the same as all flesh in Christ will be.

false jw say that Jesus body was not resurrected

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

fake jw don't believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, they just believe that His Spirit was raised.
They won't be saved.

Spirit doesn't die, it doesn't need to be raised. When Christ comes He will bring the Spirits of those who died in Him to be joined with their new changed resurrected body's, then those in Christ still alive will be changed and rise also to meet Christ in the air.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
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1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



The catching up to Christ is all about redemption of our bodies:
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Do you see also in that verse that Jesus has a glorious body, He is not just a resurrected Spirit as lying jw say, but He was resurrected with a changed glorified body as will the saved.

This is how His changed Glorified body looks:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace
; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.


Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Wow absolutely Awesome.





What will happen I you don't lie? Must you?
Even the devil will be scared of you because of the way you lie, very soon you will take over from him as the father of lie.

Who told you Jesus wasn't resurrected? That he was resurrected as a spirit or made alive in spirit as was also shown you from the Bible is it a lie?

You are here twisting the whole thing to make JWs appear bad, yet it's obvious you are the one spreading falsehoods and hateful message here. Everything is in this thread and it was shown you in the Bible, someone asked you question you dogded it.
Obviously because you don't have anything reasonable to say as usual other than accuse JWs and shift attention from the main issue. He is the question again for you and your cohorts.

ince they say ? or the bible say ?

1 pet 3:18 Jesus was killed in the flesh [ which the bible calls earthly body] and was made alive in the flesh ? NO , it said : MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT
.


fight with that verse .


" And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But truly the glory of the heavenly is one kind, and that of the earthly is another ,." 1 cor 15:40



you mean Jesus use an earthly body in heaven ? thats silly , its called earthly because its specifically designed for the earth !

heavenly body is the body specifically designed for those in heaven , angels e.t.c


For what happen to Jesus earthly body , I Challenge you to tell me what happen to the body of moses ?


secondly, when angels came to earth and materialize, TELL me what happen to that earthly body they put on after they finished their mission ?




*** answer those two questions and lets see if u also understanding .
Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 10:21pm On Apr 23, 2016
johnw74:



phony jw mano and someone else who is also phony jw
only carry weight with fellow jw phonies such as yourself

Christians don't believe phony jw's,

Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.


Evil John, you are phony! Stop quoting me
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 8:39pm On Apr 23, 2016
analice107:

It meant what then?

No, you explain since blood means soul, spirit.
Or that someone is conscious.
Abel's blood was crying and you are implying he is conscious.
So is God going to ask the blood of those sinners from Ezekiel if he fails to warn them?
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 7:36am On Apr 23, 2016
analice107:

U still dey learn. Your Watchtower doctrine of Materialism won't let you see beyond you. The blood being upon you, means you will be blamed or held accountable. Pls read other translations not only Watchtower approved version of the Bible.

Don't push it to Bible my dear, we are not talking about Bible yet. I qoute other translations here not new world translation.

Now you are beginning to reason, when God said he will ask the sinñers bloods from Ezekiel's hand doesn't mean he will physically provide there blood so when the Bible said Abel s blood was crying from ground it doesn't mean hr is alive.
Religion / Re: Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by goodnews201668: 7:27am On Apr 23, 2016
analice107:

Why not accept the new nature in Christ and put this hellfire matter to rest?

That's not the issue, if hellfire exists there's nothing me and you can do to extinguish it. Nobody is denying Christ here what we are saying is that it's not morally right for the type God or the personality we read in the Bible to burn his own creatures forever for a few years sin.
Maybe you don't that he himself condemned burning people and said he had no such intentions. Jeremiah 7:31.

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Religion / Re: Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by goodnews201668: 7:20am On Apr 23, 2016
Uu
analice107:

You actually went to JW website to copy and paste? JW have a form of godliness but totally deny the power of the gospel which is supernatural. They are ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth. Chikina

Yes it's from jw's website, and it's satisfactory.

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Religion / Re: Can Hellfire Be Morally Justified? by goodnews201668: 10:07pm On Apr 22, 2016
Hellfire—Is It Part of Divine Justice?
Have you ever seen someone tortured? We hope not. Deliberate torture is sickening and abhorrent. What, though, of torture inflicted by God? Can you imagine such a thing? Yet, this is exactly what is implied by the teaching of hellfire, an official doctrine in many religions.

Imagine, for a moment, the following horrific scene: A person is being roasted on a hot iron plate. In his agony he screams for mercy, but nobody listens. The torture goes on and on, hour after hour, day after day—without pause!

Whatever crime the victim may have committed, would not your heart go out to him? What of the one who ordered the torture? Could he be a loving person? In no way! Love is merciful and shows pity. A loving father may punish his children, but he would never torture them!

Nevertheless, many religions teach that God tortures sinners in an eternal hellfire. This, it is claimed, is divine justice. If that is true, who created that terrible place of eternal torment? And who is responsible for the excruciating agonies inflicted there? The answers would seem obvious. If such a place really exists, then God would have to be the creator of it, and he would be responsible for what happens there.

Can you accept that? The Bible* says: “God is love.” (1 John 4 vs eight ) Would a God of love inflict torture that even humans with any measure of decency find revolting? Surely not!

An Unreasonable Teaching
Still, many believe that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented forever. Is this teaching logical? The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone perpetrated extreme wickedness for his whole lifetime, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the limited number of sins that he can commit in a lifetime.

Who knows the truth about what happens after we die? Only God can reveal this information, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible, referred to above. Here is what the Bible says: “As the [beast] dies, so the [man] dies; and they all have but one spirit . . . All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

In order to be tormented, an individual has to be conscious. Are the dead conscious? No. “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) It is impossible for the dead, “conscious of nothing at all,” to experience the agonies of hellfire.

A Harmful Doctrine
Some maintain that the teaching of hellfire is useful, true or not. Why? They say it serves as a deterrent to wrongdoing. Is that true? Well, is the crime rate in regions where people believe in hellfire lower than in other places? Hardly! In fact, the doctrine of hellfire is very harmful. Will a person who believes that God torments people view torture as something abhorrent? Why should he? Those believing in a cruel god often become cruel like their god.

In whatever way a reasonable person may look at the matter, he cannot accept the existence of a hell of torment. Logic rebels against it. Human nature is repelled by it. More important, God’s Word does not say that such a place exists. When a person dies, “he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”—Psalm 146:4.

What's Punishment for Sin?
To read more, visit www.jw.org and you find satisfactory answers.

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Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 9:27pm On Apr 22, 2016
dorox:


It is so sad that many so called christians cannot see that the immortality of any part of man makes Jesus sacrifice redundant and his promise of a resurrection superfluous since man is already alive.

My brother the thing tire person eee,
They say something lives on after death, then ask them you'll hear different and contradictory explanations.
No agreement, no comprehensive account of how man lives on after death, there's always conflict of ideas on live after death.
Some say soul, some say spirit, now ask them where the dead are?
Some will say heaven, some will say hell, someone today even said they're in Abraham's bossom and will be transferred to heaven later.
It was here I also learnt spirits have blood too and their blood also cry, LWKMH.
grin grin grin

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Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 6:43pm On Apr 22, 2016
You claim not to be carnaly minded yet you believe Abel's blood crying was literal?


Now let me make it simply for you God told Ezekiel to warn people and told him if he fail to do so their blood will be on his head.
What does that mean?
Does it mean their blood will be poured on his head physically?

analice107:

Pls be reasonable. Did the Bible say the blood was crying from the Bush?
Listen, forget the location from where the blood was crying from. The bone of contention is, Abel did not cease to exist when he died. His blood cried out from wherever he was. It doesn't matter right now. What maters is that, he was there.

We said or the Bible said? And, why are you not addressing the scriptures I post along side?

The life of every man is in the blood. What is life? Is flesh that life? If you say yes, why was Adam lifeless until God breath into him?

You find these things so hard to grasp because you remain in the natural carnal realm. And the Bible says to be carnally minded is death.
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 6:35pm On Apr 22, 2016
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analice107:

Pls be reasonable. Did the Bible say the blood was crying from the Bush?
Listen, forget the location from where the blood was crying from. The bone of contention is, Abel did not cease to exist when he died. His blood cried out from wherever he was. It doesn't matter right now. What maters is that, he was there.

We said or the Bible said? And, why are you not addressing the scriptures I post along side?

The life of every man is in the blood. What is life? Is flesh that life? If you say yes, why was Adam lifeless until God breath into him?

You find these things so hard to grasp because you remain in the natural carnal realm. And the Bible says to be carnally minded is death.

Okay, he was murdered in the bush. But if you brush that aside no wahala.

But since he is no longer alive physically as you asserted, he must be a spirit then.
His blood according yo the Bible was crying, my question is do spirits have blood too?
Mind you his blood was crying from the ground not heaven.

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Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 4:46pm On Apr 22, 2016
analice107:

That's not my point. My point is that, Abel's blood cried out.

Genesis 4:10 And [the Lord] said, What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground.



Check your post, you said it was Abel's blood that was crying that made Cain realize he has sinned.


Questions:
Does it mean Abel's blood was crying in the bush?
I thought you guys say its spirit that live after death?
Does spirits have blood again?
Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 4:35pm On Apr 22, 2016
dolphinheart:


1 ti 3: 16
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh....

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body...

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh....

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh....

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh....

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh...

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh.....

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight.....

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh....

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh....

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature.....

New American Standard 1977
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh.....

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh......

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh....

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh.....

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form....
And many more!

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)
1. Although the above verse in the NIV does not support the Trinity, there are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
2. In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:
[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos ; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either (a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [ i.e. , to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]
3. When properly translated, 1 Timothy 3:16 actually argues against the Trinity. “By common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory” ( NASB ). This section of Scripture beautifully portrays an overview of Christ’s life and accomplishments. It all fits with what we know of the man , Jesus Christ. If Jesus were God, this section of Scripture would have been the perfect place to say so. We should expect to see some phrases like, “God incarnate,” “God and Man united,” “very God and very man,” etc . But nothing like that occurs. Instead, the section testifies to what non-Trinitarians believe—that Christ was a man, begotten by the Father, and that he was taken up into glory.


> Bibliography > Codex Alexandrinus > 1 Timothy 3:16
1 Timothy 3:16 in Codex Alexandrinus
Reproduced below is the text of 1 Timothy 3:16–4:3 from Codex A, as presented in the photographic facsimile volume published by the British Museum in 1879. Of particular interest here is the reading in 3:16, where it may be seen that the manuscript reads ΘC " God was manifested in the flesh," employing the usual abbreviation ΘC for ΘEOC, with a stroke over the letters to indicate an abbreviation. However, textual critics believe that the ink in the center of the Θ and the stroke above were added by a corrector in modern times. Reasons for this belief are the color of the ink, and the fact that a "dot" has been placed in the Θ instead of a line. Tregelles writes, "The ink in which this has been done in A is sufficiently modern and black to declare its recent application" ( An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London, 1854). Without these marks, the manuscript originally read ΟC " He who was manifested in the flesh." In the photograph below the ΘC in 3:16 is circled. Further down, in verse 4:3, there is another
ΘC circled for comparison. Click on the circled areas for a larger view.

www.bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

johnw74, you have not only been lying, you have how joined the league of those who deliberately changed to word of God to achieve their own selfish ends. scholars, science has exposed you!



Just wait he will come here probably by midnight and qoute you only to say trash and nonsense or repeat the same things again.
The way he talks I wonder if he's sound mentally.
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 4:17pm On Apr 22, 2016
CAPTIVATOR:

dont take that woman serious , see her comment below .





according to her , those in hell will also have eternal life . when Scripture say otherwise . john 3:16

as in ya thread eh , na case study

I tell ya, the next thing she will judge you or call you atheist and throw you inside hellfire.
Lol.
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 3:59pm On Apr 22, 2016
Scholar8200:
What I did was to quote Strong's which clearly states the nature of Sheoul and also shows that apart from the Grave, the word is sometimes used to denote the Pit. And this pit is described as a bottomless (abyss) one! Simple!
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-1.htm

So whose post is it? Me?
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 3:53pm On Apr 22, 2016
analice107:


2 Corinthians 5:1,6,8 For we know that if the tent which is our earthly home is destroyed (dissolved), we have from God a building, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. So then, we are always full of good and hopeful and confident courage; we know that while we are at home in the body, we are abroad from the home with the Lord [that is promised us]. [Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord.

Every one has immortality already, but where to spend it is why Christ came.

We are spirits living in a body on earth, (material realm), our life force which is the immortality becomes visible, but not in this realm again, but I the realm of the spirits
See what Peter said;
1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ [the Messiah Himself] died for sins once for all, the Righteous for the unrighteous (the Just for the unjust, the Innocent for the guilty), that He might bring us to God. In His human body He was put to death, but He was made alive in the spirit, In which He went and preached to the spirits in prison, [The souls of those] who long before in the days of Noah had been disobedient, when God’s patience waited during the building of the ark in which a few [people], actually eight in number, were saved through WATER.

Christ died in his human body, but was made alive in the spirit and went and preached to the SPIRITS IN PRISON(?) What?? There's Prison in the spirit realm

which spirits are being referred to here? (The souls of those who long ago BEFORE in the days of Noah).

So, Apts Peter is preaching a false Doctrine here?

Watchtower Come Ooo.

You can not believe this because the Elders in the Watchtower org. have told you that life doesn't transcend this material realm, and you have also closed your mind to all the scriptures you read. The bible is all about spirituality and hereafter, but you won't believe it.


Stop shouting like a mad man here, if you cant make any input keep quiet.
It's not by force.
Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 3:48pm On Apr 22, 2016
Scholar8200:

Indeed, no hell but there will be a Lake of fire.
Between Revelation 19 and 20 is 1000 years and 19 ends with the Beast and false prophet being cast there. Now after the milllenial reign satan will join the duo meaning they would NOT be annihilated by the fire!

You haven't answered this questions, why is death and hell are cast into the lake of fire?
What's there sin?
Will they also burn forever?
Why did the Bible said lake of fire means second death?

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Religion / Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 3:42pm On Apr 22, 2016
Scholar8200:
The world of the dead but Psalm 9:17 makes it clear all will not be in the same condition.
What do you mean by the highlighted? Besides, where is the pit and what will be its final end? Reserved for some satan wannabes? smiley

Maybe that's why your confusion about abyss keep growing,

abyss is a state of inactivity not a physical place.
But I am telling it must not always be for the dead who according to the Bible are inactive, a living being can also be abyssed.
Things like locust was found in abyss, the devil will be chained and cast into abyss.
So living things and beings can be found in abyss but not so with the grave.
It's symbolic not a physical location.

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