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 Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 4:42pm On Mar 25, 2013*. Modified: 4:59pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF FOWLS OF HEAVENObadiah777, as much as I understand scriptures well. The contextual meaning of 'fowls' in one context of scriptures IS ALWAYS different from another meaning it has in another context - This is what is putting you in error. I need to talk to you as a brother. When you take 'fowls' in Revelation that is greatly written in 'symbols' and use it to mean the 'fowls' of Genesis that is literal, then you fall into error. You need to seriously look into this - context of 'fowls' in Revelation is not as used as context of 'fowls' in Genesis. You're taken both usage out of their proper context and that's where I think you getting the whole error from. Please, re-visit your study. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 4:28pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: LET ME HIP YOU UP TO BIBLICAL LINGOHow did you come to this interpretation? That, FOWLS OF THE HEAVEN EQUALS RULERS CATTLE EQUALS MASSES OF PEOPLE BEAST OF THE FIELD EQUALS MASSES OF GENTILES You cannot tell us here NOT to contend it because you said what the bible doesn't say and where did you get the equation from? From the original Hebrew or Greek language? Okay, we agree, the truth is not for everyone BUT how did you get FOWLS OF THE HEAVEN EQUALS RULERS CATTLE EQUALS MASSES OF PEOPLE BEAST OF THE FIELD EQUALS MASSES OF GENTILES  So when God created fowls of the heaven (birds) in Genesis 1, He did NOT actually created birds BUT RULERS? And when he created Cattles, he actually created MASSES OF PEOPLE and when he created beast of the field (animanls), he actually created MASSES OF GENTILES? Is that what you're saying |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 4:20pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
@ Calculus12, You must also understand that when the Apostles existed then, the New Testament had not being completed or written yet but in the process. This age and time, it is completed and we now have the complete revelation PLUS the Spirit of God and of Truth. The truth of any interpretation NOW is that, it must not contradict what is already written or completed, from beginning to the earth. Okay, take a look. Obadiah saying the flood of Noah NEVER happened and he is bring a code or meaning we don't know such as this, obadiah777: LET ME HIP YOU UP TO BIBLICAL LINGOHow on earth did FOWLS OF THE HEAVEN EQUALS RULERS; CATTLE EQUALS MASSES OF PEOPLE; BEAST OF THE FIELD EQUALS MASSES OF GENTILES. This is what we are asking or demanding how he came to this INTERPRETATION; WHERE DOES HE GET IT FROM other than what is written for us? That's what we demand explanation from him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 4:05pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: THIS IS THE PHILOSOPHY. IF YOU WANT TO DO WICKEDNESS AND NOT OBEY MY WORDS, I WOULD WIPE MY KNOWLEDGE CLEAN AND LET YOU RULE EACH OTHER IN WICKEDNESS. SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. NOBODY WAS PHYSICALLY KILLED. GETTING KILLED MEANS GETTING KILLED TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU WERE OR WHAT DOCTRINE YOU HAD. ITS NOT PHYSICAL KILLING. ITS ALL BIBLE SPEECH21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 24And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. Genesis 7 >> King James Bible What can you say to the face of that scriptures |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:56pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: YOU ARE OUT OF GAS NIGGAWhat out of gas? Is that your answer to the question asked? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:53pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Calculus12: I definitely do not have an agenda ii am pursuing. ii don't have a grudge with u as a person though ii can't ssay same for that fooolish fellow called frosbel. My problem with this thread is the title. Obadiah has been judged before any meaningful discussion was made. That shows that this conversation is more like the inquisitions of old.Okay, cool. I will modify the title - I thought as much that was the reason for your beef. Calculus12: Where exactly in d bible is it stated that d bible will interpret itself? When d apostles had disputes did they allow d bible to interpret itself or they relied on the holy spirit to guide them? If it was d holy spirit, where then did u get this thing about the bible interpreting itself? ii definitely agree dat d bible MUST agree on every topic but this is not d same as letting d bible interpret itself.Cool down bros. How it is taught or studied that scriptures interprets scriptures and off course with the help of the Holy Spirit is rooted in this two verses of scriptures - 2 Peter 1:20 & 2 Corinthians 13:1. Kindly do a brief study on those two scriptures. Calculus12: It is very possible for someone to interpret d bible in a way dat every part of d bible agrees with his explanation and yet still get it wrong. All of u should note dat ii might not agree with d teachings of obadiah but does this give me d right to say that his teachings r correct or false? ii think obadiah's teachings agrees with each other based on his interpretation just like urs might agree based on ur interpretation but does this mean that u r correct and he is wrong; or that he is right and u r wrong?You missed the point my brother. The course of progressive harmony of scriptures is there for us to follow except where we find something otherwise stated. If something doesn't agree from beginning to end and it is presented to us, you should understand this forum is not a worship place where we cannot ask questions. That's what we are doing here bro. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:33pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: (1) IS CORRECT BUT A REPROBATE LIKE YOU WHO IS INTO THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN DELUSIONAL WORSHIP WWOULD NOT KNOW ITThat was a prophet Psalms in reference to Christ teaching in parables - it doesn't explictly says ALL SCRIPTURES IS WRITTEN IN HIDDEN WORDS.....Obadiah777, it's two different things that "I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old" - Psalms 78:2 AND "ALL scriptures is written in hidden words" obadiah777: 3- GOD DID NOT ONLY CREATE ADAM AND EVE. ADAM IS THE NAME OF A NATION OF PEOPLE MADE IN GODS IMAGE. ADAM IS NOT SOMEONES NAME. ADAM IS THE DESCRIPTION OF HOW THEY ARE MADE. ITS CULLED FROM THE HEBREW WORD ADAMAH WHICH MEANS FROM THE GROUND ( FROM THE GROUND )#3 - Okay, we pick up from here: If God didn't create ONLY Adam, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 How do you explain God did not create ONLY Adam to the above scriptures in Romans #4. I will leave that out for now but when I get the thread where you made the statement in #4, I will bring it up. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:16pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Calculus12: You still miss my question. Who gave u d authority to interprete? If ur interpretation is correct, why can't Obadiah claim same? And don't tell me that d bible will interpret itself or that strong will help with that.Yes, I and others can contend whatever Obadiah777 says and same thing goes to me, if I say something in error. You don't accept there's a bible BEFORE KJV, do you? When confusion sets it, that's where we resort to, to find meanings to word and key into the context. And that's how scriptures agree with scriptures. To show you have hidden motives still troubling you, you contended me when you also believed I said things in error the last time and gave me the opportunity to answer to scrutiny. What is wrong if we call Obadiah777 out to also answer to things he said? It will be okay that you focus on the purpose of this thread and not use it as opportunity to dish out your hidden notion. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:04pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: IF JESUS REFERED TO THE EVENT HE WAS NOT REFERING TO THE EVENT LITERALLY. AND AS PER THE TWO LAZARUS. I AM INTO PROPHETIC SCRIPTURES. SOME BOOKS I HAVE READ ONCE AND I DONT READ EM SO MUCH ANYMORE. THIS IS WHERE MY EFFORTS GO INTO  ...First time make I laugh with you. ^ ^ ^ And yet, you ALWAYS quote he comes in the volume of books? Obadiah777, lemme me tell you something you don't know and this is how we both learn. Many times, you tends to rubbish others but forget that we all learn from one another. 1. For me to understand the New Testament, I have read the whole of Old Testament and I know THEY ARE ALL POINTING TO CHRIST, THE CHURCH, END TIME AND FALSE PROPHETS. It is the New that REVEALED what was buried in the Old Testament. 2. All scriptures (from Genesis to Revelation) MUST agree. If it doesn't agree, then you MUST make efforts to study further. Take for instance, the issue of Mary that actually made me start this thread, your claim that Joseph is the father of Christ ACTUALLY DESTROYS THE VERY ESSENCE OF CHRIST COMING INTO THE WORLD. You tied just one meaning to virgin and then based all your argument on that one meaning. 3. I do not boast myself and if I do, I boast in the things of God ONLY knowing it is not by my strength. I only called you out as a means of extending my love hand of fellowship to you so you can draw back a little and check yourself in faith and how you interpret God's word. God wasn't speaking in tongues when the words are written aside of the Revelation that is represented with symbols and\or imagery. I hope this help you in your quest for the truth. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:49pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Calculus12: This is not whether someone is teaching heresy. Its about who gave the authority to those who condemn him? If u go through Obadiah's teaching, he quotes d bible and gives his interpretation based on his quotes. If u condemn his interpretation, what gives u d right to do that? And why should we accept d interpretation u or someone else gives? Interpretation is what is under scrutiny here and not whether his quotes are wrong.Okay. Thank God you understand what we're doing and NOT CONDEMNING Obadiah777. Then please stay on course and allow Obadiah777 to answer to scrutiny. God bless you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:45pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Zikkyy: i am not so sure Obadiah is doing much damage with his teachings. i think you should let it go.On the contrary, he's doing much damage. Saying, 1. That Joseph is the father of our Lord Jesus Christ hereby denying the virgin birth according to scriptures. 2. That most events (approx. 90%) NEVER happened but that they were mostly parables, allegory and symbolic. 3. That God didn't create ONLY Adam and Eve but many men and women. This is falsehood in the light of Romans 5:17; Romans 5:12 and Romans 5:14. 4. That Satan\serpent is the father of Cain by having se.xual intercourse with Eve; Adam is not the father of Cain and Cain is the offspring of Eve and the serpent, not of Adam and Eve. All of these things should bother us who holds the preservation of God's word to the truth of the doctrine of the inspired word of God. Just wanted him to explain himself and we will be done. Please, allow him answer to some few scrutiny and questions and we let him be. Thanks for the advice sir. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:36pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: NOAHS FLOOD IS A FLOOD OF WATERS ( KNOWLEDGE ) BY THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE TO START THE ERA OF THE GENTILES ON EARTH. WATERS MEANS KNOWLEDGE. ITS NOT AN ACTUAL FLOOD OF THE WHOLE EARTH. THATS STUPIDITY TO BELIEVE THE WHOLE WORLD WAS FLOODED. FOR BETTER INSIGHT STUDY ZECHARIAH 5, REVELATION 8, 2 PETER 3 AND GENESIS 10. ITS THE INTRODUCTION OF NIMROD ON THE SCENE AND FLOODING THE WHOLE WORLD WITH BABYLONIAN JUICE. THATS WHAT THE FLOOD IS. HOWEVER YOU DONT HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME. I AM NOT HERE TO CONVERT ANYONE. I AM DROPPING THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, WHOMEVER ELECT IS OUT THERE READING THIS, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HIM. THE OTHERS WHO CANT GET IT ? ITS NOT FOR YOUExactly the same thing you're saying and yet denying I made a false accusation. If Noah's flood didn't take place, why would Jesus refer to the event? obadiah777: AS PER LAZARUS. I AM MADE TO BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO LAZARUS STORY. THE LAZARUS THAT IS A PARABLE IS THE LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN. IF THATS THE SAME STORY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THEN ITS A PARABLEOh, so you don't know for years you've reading scriptures there's two Lazarus from scriptures? We talked about Lazarus RAISED FROM DEATH and NOT Lazarus with the RICH MAN. Shaking my head! Anyways, I give that to you. But since you're saying 90% of events never happened, you 'could' as well say, Jesus raising Lazarus from death never happened, NO? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:09pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
obadiah777: STILL NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING BUT YES MOST OF THE BIBLE IS IN SYMBOLS PARABLES AND ALLEGORIES. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONOkay, two quick questions. I'm yet done with you on the first issue of Mary, mind you. I have time all day today. 1. Are you saying events like Noah's flood did not happen literally? 2. Are you saying Christ raising Lazarus from death did not happened literally as a miracle of Christ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:06pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
truthislight: Why are you all westing your time with @Obediah777/Buzugi?Thank you my brother. The truth is, we (many other believers on this forum) cannot sit and watch Obadiah777 peddle the word with his corruption. We must speak where necessary and reason with one another from scriptures where necessary. Like I always say, someone might mis-interpret scriptures out of mere omission or oversight of the other side but a deliberate mis-interpretation must be contended. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 1:58pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
@ Obadiah777 obadiah777: CAN YOU MAKE YOUR CASE WITHOUT SO MUCH QUOTES. WHATS YOUR QUESTION ? STATE IT CLEARLY AND SIMPLY. GO THROUGH ALL THE QUOTES AND THEN COORDINATE THE QUESTION CLEARLY WITHOUT ALL THE QUOTES.^ obadiah777: SO WHAT I AM DOING NOW IS CLEAN-UP THE THINGS I MISSED. OK GOSHEN ALL THOSE 4 POINTS YOU MADE, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE SERPENT SLEEPING WITH CAIN OR EVE OR WHATEVER YOU PUT UP THERE ALL FALSE ALLEGATIONS. YOU HAVE NOT MADE ONE CORRECT ACCUSATION BUT NUMBER (1)I started from the above. You went back to the OP and said, You never taught #2-4, except for #1 and I quoted where you taught on #2 saying, "that most events (approx. 90%) NEVER happened but that they were mostly parables, allegory and symbolic".. You denied it and I quoted where you made those statements. So now, I want you to respond on that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 1:32pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
@ Obadiah777 obadiah777: SO WHAT I AM DOING NOW IS CLEAN-UP THE THINGS I MISSED. OK GOSHEN ALL THOSE 4 POINTS YOU MADE, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE SERPENT SLEEPING WITH CAIN OR EVE OR WHATEVER YOU PUT UP THERE ALL FALSE ALLEGATIONS. YOU HAVE NOT MADE ONE CORRECT ACCUSATION BUT NUMBER (1)On this thread, https://www.nairaland.com/1228374/want-correct-few-century-old you made the following statement: obadiah777: I HAVE COME TO FIND OUT THAT NOT EVEN ONLY AROUND 70 PERCENT OF BIBLICAL VERSES ARE SYMBOLIC, IT SEEMS LIKE OVER 90 PERCENT IS SYMBOLIC. LETS CRACK A FEW NUTSFollowed by Joagbaje's challenge to you, Joagbaje: Me I don't understand it o. Are you saying the literal experience didnt take place in the bible or this interpretation is just addition. For example .was there a real flood in Noah's day ?And here was your response, obadiah777: HEY BROS TRUST ALL IS WELL. THE LITERAL EXPERIENCE DID NOT TAKE PLACE. ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN GENESIS IS SYMBOLIC SPEECH. ACTUAL HUMANS DID NOT GET DESTROYED IN A FLOOD. HOWEVER THERE KNOWLEDGE AND DOCTRINE GOT FLOODED AND DESTROYED BY BABYLONIAN DOCTRINE. THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE IS A HAMITE EMPIRE. THIS IS WHAT THE SCRIPTURES REFER TO UNCOVERING NOAHS NAK-EDNESS. HAM ( BABYLONIAN EMPIRE ) UNCOVERED NOAHS ( THE ISRAELITES ) NAK-EDNESS BY PLYING HIM WITH BABYLONIAN DOCTRINES AND PHILOSOPHIES AND KILLING THEM ( KILLING THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IN THEM ) AND MAKING THEM REPROBATE MEN WHO WERE ONCE MEN OF GOD. NOW THEY BECAME IDOL WORSHIPPERS. THATS UNCOVERING THEIR NAK-ED-NESS. REMOVING THEIR DIGNITY AS MEN OF GOD AND DEGRADING THEM TO IDOL WORSHIPPERS. THIS IS WHY HAM WAS CURSED. THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE IS A HAMITE EMPIRE.Lemme not go too far. Again, you made the same statement about Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead, YOU ALSO SAID, IT NEVER HAPPENED in this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1233705/what-point-raising-lazarus-death You, Obadiah777, started by saying Jesus raising Lazarus from death is a PARABLE and it NEVER happened, obadiah777: its a parable.And I followed up asking you again, Goshen360: ^ You don start again abi...did you read it was a parable. When parable are told, Christ always say it was parable. Where did you read Lazarus's case was a parable? Na so you dey do every Friday....you wan start again abi?^ Goshen360: @ Obadiah777,And you responded, obadiah777: did not happen at all. its a symbolic storyAnd here, you come back to say what I wrote in the OP is false, ONLY #1 is correct. What do you have to say on this? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 1:11pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Calculus12: Your Hateist sect is d moda of all harlots and your infallable pope Gosh is a deceiver and d fada of lies. And ii mean it! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 12:59pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Welcome Obadiah777, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Expository Bible Study Course – Raising Bible Bereans In The Body Of Christ. by Goshen360(op): 12:51pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
X. NEVER BASE A DOCTRINE ON ONE PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE. A. No doctrine should be built on only one passage or verse of Scripture. Any true doctrine of God will be found in many places in the Bible - "...In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established", 2 Corinthians 13:1. The Mormons base their doctrine of baptisms for the dead on only one verse in the Bible. (I Cor. 15:29) No where else is the practice even mentioned. If you cannot find other places in the Bible that teach the doctrine this should alert you to a problem. If the supposed doctrine is only found in one place you should seek to find out why. In every case you will discover that what is being taught is not a doctrine. To arrive at the correct understanding of a teaching (doctrine) in Scripture you must study all related texts and then put them together . Until you do this it is difficult to know that you have all the truth revealed on a particular subject. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Expository Bible Study Course – Raising Bible Bereans In The Body Of Christ. by Goshen360(op): 12:42pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
Lesson Eight IX. NEVER INVENT EXPLANATIONS TO SILENT AREAS OF SCRIPTURE A. Simply stated it means do not make up explanations to areas of Scripture that are silent and where God has not given us all the information about some topic of Scripture - Do not go beyond what is written in scriptures. B. For example, the Bible does not say where Heaven is. The Bible only indicates its direction is up. It is foolhardy to speculate that it is in some specific area of Space. Some state they believe Heaven is in the northern area of space where astronomers report there are few stars. This speculation serves no valid purpose. If the Bible is silent we then too are to be silent. To offer one's personal speculation on some subject that the Bible is silent is in a real sense adding to Scripture. Many times, one person's stated speculation becomes another's belief. C. Jesus said, only the Father knew when He would return. A well known fundamentalist evangelist of national acclaim stated in a Bible conference that when the planets aligned in 1984, the Rapture would occur. Many tracts were printed stating this view. Obviously, he was wrong. In the eyes of many people his testimony was hurt. His predictions served no purpose. If God is silent then we need to be silent! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Expository Bible Study Course – Raising Bible Bereans In The Body Of Christ. by Goshen360(op): 12:36pm On Mar 25, 2013 |
[quote author=tpia@]did you take a break or something? or was it too quiet in here, just asking.[/quote]I love you sister.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 12:12am On Mar 25, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: This sex, virginity and marriage is leading to nowhere. obadiah777: EXACTLY AND SINCE WE KNOW THE SEED IS PASSED DOWN THROUGH THE MAN. THE WOMAN DOES NOT PASS THE SEEDS, THEN WE KNOW HE IS JOSEPHS SON. NUMBERS 1 VS 18 And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS CONCEPT IS SO HARD FOR THESE REPROBATES TO GRASP. THEN AGAIN SCRIPTURE SAYS |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 11:16pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
@ Obadiah777, You now deny you never said all of the things in the OP except for #1. I hope you know everything is on record in this forum. I'm still at work and can't do anything much when I get home late tonight because I will too tired. By tomorrow morning, I will quote all posts /threads where said #2-4. See you tomorrow. @ All, I thank everyone for their time and contribution to the thread. Everyone on this forum is subject to scrutiny including me. We are all answerable to the brethren when we do err less any man make himself lord over all. We must checkmate ourselves because here, this forum is not a place where any preacher/teacher of the word says something and nobody is asking question. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 5:36pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
obadiah777: PREGNANT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A LITERAL STATEMENT. IT IS SYMBOLIC. IT MEANS THE SEED SHE WOULD CONCEIVE WILL BE HOLY. THATS ALL IT MEANS.This is one thing you do - taking everything is scripture to be symbolic. Does it take 'SYMBOLIC' to get a woman pregnant? The context from refers to....NOT HAVING SE.XUAL INTERCOURSE with a man and yet holy child was CONCEIVED IN HER |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 5:09pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
From scripture quoted by Boomark again, it says pregnant THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT....what is conceived in her is from THE HOLY SPIRIT. Mary, had also said, how can I be pregnant SINCE I HAD NO SE.XUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A MAN.....but Obadiah777 says the she has se.x with Joseph. Who is lying here? Mary through the words of the scripture or obadiah777? It's like say, I'm full, not hungry and someone else say no, it's not my tommy....I must be hungry. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:12pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
@ All, I have to go to work now. I will continue if I can....from my phone. If not, I will continue when I return. Thank you all. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:10pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
obadiah777: I KNOW NOT A MAN MEANS I DONT HAVE A MAN.Okay, that's other translations for you. I will do word study on KJV. First from Old Testament, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. New International Version (©2011) Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, "God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." New Living Translation (©2007) Adam had se.xual relations with his wife again, and she gave birth to another son. She named him Seth, for she said, "God has granted me another son in place of Abel, whom Cain killed." Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) Adam was intimate with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, for she said, "God has given me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." NET Bible (©2006) And Adam had marital relations with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son. She named him Seth, saying, "God has given me another child in place of Abel because Cain killed him." GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Adam made love to his wife again. She gave birth to a son and named him Seth, because [she said,] "God has given me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him." Genesis 4:25 To 'know' between a man and a woman in KJV language is SE.XUAL INTERCOURSE. Here is word meaning in Bible concordance: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Luke 1:34 The Greek word, ginōskō and means the following from here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1097&t=KJV 1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel a) to become known 2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of a) to understand b) to know 3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman 4) to become acquainted with, to know |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 3:00pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
christemmbassey: @Goshen, pls can u post angel Gabriel's encounter with Mary in Luke 1:26-36.26Six months after Elizabeth had become pregnant, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a city in Galilee. 27The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin's name was Mary. 28When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, "You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you." 29She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant. 30The angel told her, "Don't be afraid, Mary. You have found favor with God. 31You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus. 32He will be a great man and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. 33Your son will be king of Jacob's people forever, and his kingdom will never end." 34Mary asked the angel, "How can this be? I've never had se.xual intercourse." 35The angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God. 36"Elizabeth, your relative, is six months pregnant with a son in her old age. People said she couldn't have a child. 37But nothing is impossible for God." 38Mary answered, "I am the Lord's servant. Let everything you've said happen to me." Then the angel left her. Luke 1 >> GOD'S WORD ® Translation |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:56pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
Calculus12: My point is, if Obadiah is teaching falsehood, who gives Goshen et al the right to say its false? If Goshen et al can claim that their teaching is in line with the truth why can't Obadiah make d same claim?The truth is, we are all subject to one another to check mate ourselves in the things we teach. If you believe I've said anything wrong in the past, I'm subject to correction NOT claiming I know it all. The purpose of this thread is to call Obadiah777 to correction and let's reason scriptures together. When I said what I said then, I was scrutinized by the brethren and even you, if my teachings can't stand the scriptural scrutiny of our believers, then I make myself LORD OF ALL and that's not what Christ called us to do. Please, allow Obadiah777 to answer to scrutiny of our believers, the same way you followed to scrutinize me then. And, I do not claim to know it all, don't misunderstand me. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:48pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
obadiah777: I HAVE POSTED THE POINT TO YOU. PONDER ON IT. DONT LET YOUR EGO GET IN THE WAY OF ACCEPTING YOU WERE WRONG. LISTEN HERE THE PRIZE IS BIGGER THAN YOUR EGO. KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE PRIZE BRAH GOSHEN. DONT LET YOUR EGO ROB YOU OFF THE PRIZE.Okay, virgin is unmarried maid. Mary was both UNMARRIED to Joseph yet from the scriptures quoted....like in a courtship to be married to Joseph and scriptures says, they are NOT married yet. You're right in that definition. Now, when Mary was told she will have a son, what was her response? King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) Mary asked the angel, "How can this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?" NET Bible (©2006) Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I have not had se.xual relations with a man?" GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Mary asked the angel, "How can this be? I've never had se.xual intercourse." Young's Literal Translation And Mary said unto the messenger, 'How shall this be, seeing a husband I do not know?' |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:30pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
obadiah777: THE LORD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. 'VIRGIN' MEANS 'UNWED'. NO POINT STRETCHING OUT THIS TOPIC. YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED. ACCEPT IT. ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. WHATS THE NEXT QUESTION ?Okay, you derived your meaning from where? Give us evidence where your meanings was derived from. There are many folks who are NOT WED (UNWED) yet and UNMARRIED but had tasted se.x......are they virgins in the context of 'sex.ual' affairs with a man? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Contending The False And Heretic Teachings By Obadiah777 by Goshen360(op): 2:23pm On Mar 24, 2013 |
Calculus12: Tell us why we should accept the context you used and condemn obadiah's. Na only the members of Hateism go accept that infallible teaching.Young man, don't get me upset if you have nothing to contribute to this thread. All you've being doing here is derail this thread. If you want to contribute, prove what I said is wrong from many Bible Concordances available online and if not, stop derailing us here please. Thank you. 1 Like |
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