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^ ^ When the Bible says we are the seed of Abraham, what does it mean?

^ ^ Ermmm, Ermmm....*scratching my head* okay, make I find someone wey go be witness. # Run out of thread & never to return #

New Living Translation (©2007)
And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others." Mark 7:13

New International Version (©2011)
I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. Galatians 1:14

New Living Translation (©2007)
When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 1 Corinthians 13:11

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Kindly find out where you belong among the three scriptures quoted. A child (not necessarily of age in this context) is not different from a slave even though everything the father owns belongs to such child. Time has come to tear down every traditional practices and traditions of men that cancels the word of God, including traditional interpretation of the word.

[quote author=tpia@]buzugee or is it busy bee.

always busy.[/quote] ^ ^ @ tpia, you don receive anointing to translate user I.Ds from MusKeeFrom shey? My belle don burst with laugh o . Where una dey get all these I.D formulations from sef? Huh? Wetin make we call your own I.D now? tilapia or titi-tilapia?

Ishilove: Goshen, I am still awaiting the ring o. Mere 5000 dollars ring is taking so long to deliver.

Chai, Ishi sweerie, why you come open my [size=3pt]yansh[/size] here now? Huh? Okay, you don agree to leaf those chewing bois alone? You know say I no dey like put my money for air

Hmmmmmmmm, it's gonna be time consuming again but I will try, not now but later. Lemme see if I finish my other assignments for today on time; then I will explode

Great article brother Frosbel. Glory to be God!

There's absolutely no scriptures that says a Christian MUST adhere to a particular type of marriage, not even the church marriage. Whatever marriage anyone desires, let him\her go ahead - we do not have a 'law' to follow that it must be done in church to be valid or acceptable.

E. Today, evolution is fast falling into disfavor and even secular science is questioning the teaching of Darwin. Yet, today the Gap Theory is still being taught by a few proponents as fact, and yet it was never anything more than a man's theory or speculation. Today, few theologians hold or teach the view, but it will probably be many years before it completely disappears.

F. To try harmonizing the teachings of evolution with the Bible, theologians in fact have denied the Word of God. God said He spoke the Universe into existence; it did not evolve over long periods of time as evolution postulates. The gap theory in reality instead of clarifying the matter of Creation caused confusion. It actually supports the false theory of evolution. This author believes it aided in causing Christians to believe in evolution or some form of it. If that is so then the inventors of the Gap Theory caused many people to believe in the lie of evolution.

G. We should never invent supposed solutions areas where the Bible is silent.

CONCLUSION:

In trying to determine what the Scriptures mean we must have a method(s) or standard(s) of interpretation PLUS the SPirit of Truth as a guide - This we can achieve with the words of Apostle Paul to Timothy, "STUDY to show yourself approved unto God...". The literal method stands alone as the only real Biblical method, allowing one portion of scriptures to explain another portion of scriptures. Why? Because the best interpreter is God Himself, and by letting Scripture interpret Scripture we are letting God under the guidance of the Spirit of Truth, the Author of the Bible tell us what He means by what He said.

End of the course. Thank you all for the time. I sincerely desire we put these principles into use. The time has come for the Bereans in the church of Jesus to come out of all 'religious' and 'traditional' interpretation and carefully examine the truth of the scriptures. Let's not just get the knowledge here, let's put it into use and also teach others.

Thank you and God bless y'all.

Lesson Nine

XI. NEVER THEORIZE TO ACCOMMODATE MAN'S VIEWS OR MODERN SCIENCE.

A. This principle is closely aligned with the ninth principle. In interpreting Scripture we should never invent explanations to areas where the Bible appears vague. We may not have the knowledge to understand some teaching or event in the Bible. The limitation is in our knowledge, not in the truth of the Word of God. When a man begins to speculate he is in fact trying to second guess God! Such speculation casts a shadow over the credibility of the Bible and our faith. It does not convince the doubters and only brings confusion. The best approach is not to invent explanations, but honestly say we\you do not know!

B. Examples of man trying to harmonize science and the Bible are seen in the theories such as "Theistic Evolution" and once popular "Gap Theory." Theistic evolution is the product of man's trying to fit into the Bible the false teachings of the so called "science of evolution." In truth, evolution contradicts the Biblical account of Creation and there is no possible way to make the two coincide. To suppose that God used evolution to create the world is to deny the literal meaning of Genesis Chapter One. You must understand that God's Word is perfect and without error. It is inerrant, and infallible. When God said He created the earth by speaking it into existence out of nothing, then that is the Word of God on the matter. If science disagrees, then science is wrong! Science is the product of man's wisdom which is often proven faulty. The Bible is the very Word of God who is never wrong!

C. On several occasions I was privileged to hear the late Dr. Charles Stevens, founder of Piedmont Bible College. One principle he stressed was that the only way to know the truth was to examine it using the "looking glass" of the Bible. In other words, we are to take the Bible and examine everything by it; which was what the Bereans did - 'examined' the scriptures daily (Acts 17:11). We look at the world through the Bible. It is the ONLY true standard. It is the only pure source of truth on earth. The world's way is the opposite. Man with a sinful and warped mind examines the Bible and declares it invalid. Man starts out with a distorted view and can only come to a distorted conclusion.

D. Such theories, such as the Gap Theory, in no way have any value within themselves. This "theory" states that between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, there is a gap in time in which the fossil record is placed. Its explanation is that the fossils are the remains of another race of man and a world that was destroyed before the present world was created. This theory is based on man's speculations of over one hundred years ago when evolution became popular. Men such as C. I. Scofield, under attack by so-called modern science, tried to accommodate the popular teachings of the then new science of evolution. He and others theorized a gap in the Biblical record between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Dr. Scofield had a limited understanding of geology. Few men in his day understood where the fossils came from. Today, we can easily explain the fossil record. It was created by the Flood when God destroyed all life on earth saving only Noah and his family and the animals in the ark. The fossils are the remains of the pre-flood world, not some world created and destroyed by God before the current Earth. All fossils are found in sedimentary rock deposits. Sedimentary rock is formed by water action such as would be caused by a world wide flood.

We discussed this subject few months back and yet, some of you didn't take out any time to go study it again. God help the church.

I do not have much time spending online this day\week but kindly go through this commentary of Matthew 27:46, it might help: http://bible.cc/matthew/27-46.htm and commentary of the next verse Matthew 27:47 also: http://bible.cc/matthew/27-47.htm Make sure to scroll down when you hit the link and put the commentaries of both verse together, you will understand.

Lord! 6 pages already. Mehn, I don't know where to enter this discussion anymore. I have to read from page 1 and then flow with the thread again.

@ moderators and everyone,

How do we verify this story and the op herself? I'm willing to joining the helping team that had promised to help but I don't throw my money in the air, hence we must verify and see proof.

Everyone who had promised to help, we can pull resources together and set up the OP for a small business and empower her before the baby is born and so, her feet is on ground to continue raising her child by herself.

The moderator(s) can contact me via PM if the story is verified to be true.

@ Obadiah777,

I will join you later. We dealt with this scriptures in the past and I was drawn to prolonged debate. I will join you when I do have time, hopefully tomorrow.

^ ^ ^ Let's even say that was instructed to Timothy....because of his stomach ailment. We have many scriptures that says, not given to excess\much wine. 1 Timothy 3:8, Titus 1:7, 1 Timothy 3:3. They all says....not drunkenness & excess wine. To say 'not at all' is to expand the written word. If you can't handle that, then abstain but not for them to tell those who can drink a little that it is wrong.

^ ^ Go ahead, I will read later but now until you give me the 'symbolic' meaning those animals. You're on your own! I have to go to work....Mayor Blomberg is calling on me bro...

The problem we have most time on this forum is mostly with 'religious' people. That is, people whom some teachings had been passed down to and they never bother studying the subject for themselves and know whether their then teacher taught out of dislike for drinking or the then teacher didn't balance the teachings.

Every body here knows I used to teach against drinking of alcohol in the past here but I was challenged to re-visit the subject. It was another shock that nowhere did the scripture especially under the New Testament\covenant, which is even where the Christian covenant belongs to. The New Testament never condemned drinking of alcohol but drunkenness or excess is what is taught.

Just like the religious people of Jesus' days, they took the Laws of Moses and expanded it beyond the meaning and hereby shutting the doors of God's kingdom against people by the law of Moses. The same is true today in Christianity, some religious minded Christians will go beyond 'don't drink wine\strong drink in excess to get drunk' and take it beyond that to 'don't drink wine\strong drink AT ALL' hereby expanding the written word. Leave religion alone and go search out the truth of the matter! God bless you.

obadiah777: I DONE TOLD YOU GOSHEN, STOP EATING RATS. ITS VERY UNHOLY. I WOULD EXPECT A HOLY MAN LIKE YOURSELF NOT TO DEFILE YOUR TEMPLE WITH ABOMINABLE FOODS *SMDH*

I'm ready to listen to you - All you have to do is tell me the symbolic meaning of those animals mentioned in those verses you quoted and I will heed your advice. If you can't translate those animals in their symbolic meaning, then forget it, your literal interpretation of those animals are not acceptable - you have to be consistent with your 'symbolic' meaning. After all, those animals never existed 'literally' at all, they're all 'symbolic' or 'allegory'.

I expected from you to translate or interpret for example:

pigs = DIRTINESS

vermin = WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT

and rats = BAD LUCK

. . . Those are just examples of what I expected from you. Feel free to give me the 'symbolic' interpretation and I will accept it. Otherwise, keep shut your mouth. Grasscutter farming spins money!. . . http://www.pavemgo.com/index.html

@ All,

I'm very sorry. Things went as not planned for me and still can't contribute much in the thread. Hopefully I should be fully in by tomorrow. Thanks to everyone.

@ italo,

Please permit me, I will join today when I wake up. It's my own time to sleep over here.

@ Calculus12,

I don't understand how you find that concept hard to accept or comprehend. Okay, put in another, you can say, 'use one portion of scripture to explain another portion of scripture'. Does that make another meaning to you?

Water and oil don't mix. Christian, followers of Christ cannot be followers of Moses at the same time. One gives life and one kills. Nowhere in the New Testament is drinking wine and alcohol forbidden but getting drunk or excess is the instruction.

Snowwy,

The letter killeth IS NOT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE LAW ITSELF - Read other translations. It is the law of Moses that kills, the written law. And you cannot say Jesus was showing the true meaning of the law while he himself say he came to fulfill it.

Also, the context of Matthew 5 is not Jesus showing the true meaning of the law, it's introducing the 'law of the Spirit' and hereby setting aside the 'law of Moses' - both will not take effect until after his death.

@ Obadiah777

HOW COME ALL THESE YOUR INTERPRETATION ARE NOT SYMBOLIC AND SPIRITUAL IN THE VERSES YOU QUOTED

PLEASE GIVE ME THE SYMBOLIC AND ALLEGORIC INTERPRETATION OF THOSE VERSES YOU QUOTED.....YOU ALREADY REJECTED THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE LITERAL WHEN YOU INTERPRET THOSE VERSES. DON'T FORGET, ALMOST 90% OF BIBLE WORDS ARE SYMBOLIC.

^ ^ ^ Are you referring to I Cor. 15:29? If that's what you talking about, I did explained up somewhere. If not, then lemme know what verse you talking about.

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@ FOLYKAZE,

We are not here to claim we won or who lost, at least the guy had been exposed for who is he. I stopped because I see him bent on stamping what he said while it's obvious he was lying. Many questions dodged even the last question I asked taking him to the issue of God created only one Adam. It doesn't end here. Whenever we come across Obadiah777 bringing up any of his heretic statements, we will keep challenging him.

obadiah777: YOU DONT NEED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING. EITHER YOU HEAR OR FORBEAR THE WISDOM I AM DROPPING IN YOUR LAPS. HEAR OR FORBEAR. THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHOICES YOU HAVE.

Okay, I can see you want to be a dictator and get into legalism. It was a simple advice but if you decided not to heed and look into the matter for a second thought. Never mind. It was a nice time calling you to order anyway but since your mind is made up, you can go on as you please but God knows we have called you to order as a brother. Thank you.

Calculus12: d above is simply beautiful and i agree but it does not take away d fact dat obadiah can make d bible agree based on his own interpretation just like u can make it agree based on ur own interpretation. dis is why people will still b confused even when dey have d bible right in front of dem. it takes God's spirit to interpret whatever has been written and not d bible. if we depend on d bible to do d interpretation den everyone would go with what makes sense to dem. for some people, obadiah's interpretation makes sense while some others think dat urs makes sense but we know dat d spirit cannot give conflicting interpretations. dis is one of d reasons i still remain catholic because it seems d catholic church is d only one dat lay claim to interpreting d bible without fear of making a mistake. if u have an explanation for this, i really would like to hear it.

Hmmm, you want to give me much work to do and I will be glad to do it provide and I know we will have mature discussion. My father is also a Catholic but I don't agree with him and 'some' of the teachings....NOT because I don't just want to agree BUT in the face of scriptures. I do understand that everyone that teaches one thing or the other always find one verse or the other to support themselves even Mormons do the same. But the main point here what Apostle Paul calls 'sound doctrines'. To endure sound doctrines, one must test its validity to the best of being error free. I will like to further with you on the '@italo, Debosky and Others thread'. I think this thread is gradually ending for now, so we will continue this catholic stuff over there.

Calculus12: i understand ur argument about d above. obadiah is a controversial one i must admit but who r we to say dat he is wrong? i can also defend what he said by looking at d bible. we know dat when God reveals some things, not everything is as it is. check d dream of pharaoh as an example.

Genesis 41:25-27
New International Version (NIV)
25 Then Joseph said to Pharaoh, “The dreams of Pharaoh are one and the same. God has revealed to Pharaoh what he is about to do. 26 The seven good cows are seven years, and the seven good heads of grain are seven years; it is one and the same dream. 27 The seven lean, ugly cows that came up afterward are seven years, and so are the seven worthless heads of grain scorched by the east wind: They are seven years of famine.

how does seven fat cows = seven years of plenty; and seven lean cows = seven years of famine? i am not saying dat obadiah is right or wrong here, but i am saying dat he can equally back up his interpretation by looking at d bible.

I will be very glad to work with you my brother. This is where the problem is, how seven fat cows = seven years is CONTEXT and again PLUS the Spirit of Truth. The context simply tells us it WAS A DREAM THAT WAS REPRESENTED IN SYMBOLS and will required God's Spirit to UNLOOSE the CONTEXT. That's why I keep hammering on context plus the Spirit of Truth and in this case the Old and New Testament is completed, it must not contradict what is already written\completed as our guide.

Look at it from this simple case, when you take that event, say for instance, the events of cows or beasts of the field\cattles in the 'context' of the account of creation in Genesis 1 OUT OF ITS PROPER CONTEXT, and apply that interpretation to another context of seven fat cows elsewhere in scriptures as in the case of Pharaoh's dream, then you destroy that immediate contextual interpretation but when you leave it in its proper context and call another scriptures that parallels with the same SEVEN FAT COWS, then it makes a better presentation of truth and interpretation - That's all I've been saying my brother.

I will recommend this my ongoing work for you study...at your leisure time: https://www.nairaland.com/1226596/expository-bible-study-course-raising

Calculus12: 2 Peter 1:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

i don't know whether i am d only one seeing d difficulty here. prophecy of scripture can't b attributed 2 any private interpretation. d first questions dat jump at me are:

a) d interpretation u and obadiah give can't we safely say dat they r ur own private interpretation?

b) if u say urs is not some private interpretation, can't obadiah claim d same?

c) if both of u claim dat d interpretations r not private then who is lying and who is telling d truth?


2 Corinthians 13:1
King James Version (KJV)
13 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

this is beautiful. d above is true but d questions still remains:

a) who r these witnesses? is it just anyone? a group of scholars? or d apostles?

b) if there must b two or 3 witnesses, i bet u dat obadiah will match u witness for witness. for any two witnesses u bring to ur side, obadiah might bring 3. which witnesses do we then accept as from God?

have it in mind that these bible quotes u brought did not tell us about scripture interpreting itself.

I cannot do much lifting of the past teachings for now. I see you're missing a great point here. Private Interpretation means personal or which is the root word for ONE. It means it wasn't ONE man's (writer of scriptures) idea ALONE that penned the word - Holy Spirit + the writer. Therefore, two are present. The same word private goes for NOT ONE scriptures ALONE stands to interpret itself. Do you get what I'm saying? That then takes you two the witness of TWO - It is NOT referring to "person" as witness but ANOTHER SCRIPTURES.

When I quote a scriptures against a claim for instance, against Obadiah's cliam, I called witness against him......from scriptures. Do you understand? It's like trynna tell someone that eating too much is bad, all you have to do is call two or three scriptures to bear witness to what you're telling that person and by that, you establish the truth. I hope you get it what I'm saying now!