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@ All,

The tithe teachers will only be prolonging this talk and keep dodging questions to crucial subject matters. Scrutinize their tithe teachings, they will run and hide under the pre-law Abraham's tithing BUT when they teach tithing and practice it, they cannot teach\practice tithing WITHOUT quoting Malachi 3:9-10 LAW tithing; knowing too well that Christians are NOT under the dispensation of LAW (of Moses) but under the dispensation of GRACE (of Jesus)

Ask them which one they are teaching to the people? They will tell you it is the Abraham pre-law tithing and that tithing existed before the law.

Ask them again, when did Abraham's tithing that existed before the law BECAME a LAW for Christians? I hope I will get an answer someday because everywhere I have asked this question, there hasn't been an answer up till date.

OLAADEGBU: Christians take their cue from the father of faith, Abraham. We tithe under the Abrahamic covenant, which is by grace.

@ Ijawkid, did you missed the explanation or short exposition up there?

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Yes o ^^^ just go look people viewing this religion board at this moment - you can tell what brought\pulled them to this board. After that,......*clearing my throat*

lolz ^^ No be small thing o.

Okay....following. Make I go sleep small first. I'll be right back.

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Also, truthislight is correct and exactly the same thing I do - using many or all available translations but most of them online after sticking to my favourites, like 5 translations I have come to love. For MOST available English translations Online, please visit:

1. http://bible.cc/matthew/23-9.htm and
2. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2011:17-18&version=EXB

Using from the #2, you should be able to love The Expanded Bible. Enter a verse from scriptures and see how it translates.

I hope you enjoy STUDYING God's word in truth and spirit.

Okay, here is it! I've always maintained that 'context' is everything in interpreting scriptures. Please, people of God, there's a great injustice to rightly dividing the word of truth going on in the body of Christ today and we MUST be very careful how we interpret. Two, God gave us his word AND he also told us how to interpret the word - NO SCRIPTURE IS OF PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. All scriptures agree, not split apart!

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. - Matthew 23:9.

Please, my advice to everyone is, 'IF' KJV English is too difficult for you to grasp, kind use as many as possible translations you can - it's all free on the Internet. Second, the Spirit of God\truth must always guide our interpretation and also, we must endeavor or be diligent to find meanings to words where necessary and use such meaning in context.

Now, what is Christ's emphasis here in this context? Simply, the emphasis is THE FATHER, WHO IS IN HEAVEN. How do we know that as truth? It's by the phrase, 'FOR one is your Father'. It will be be best understood if the word, 'for' is translated 'BECAUSE' as translated in many translations here: http://bible.cc/matthew/23-9.htm

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Do not call anyone on earth your father, because you have one Father, who is in heaven.

International Standard Version (©2012)
And don't call anyone on earth 'Father,' because you have only one Father, the one in heaven.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
And don't call anyone on earth your father, because you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.

Again, to reveal that the emphasis of Christ's word is on the heavenly father. Some translations have the first 'father' using 'f' in uppercase\capital letter - 'F'. Hence, we can translate to be,

New Living Translation (©2007)
And don't address anyone here on earth as 'F ather,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual F ather.

International Standard Version (©2012)
And don't call anyone on earth 'F ather,' because you have only one F ather, the one in heaven.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And you should not call yourselves “F ather”, in the earth, for one is your F ather who is in Heaven.

Weymouth New Testament
And call no one on earth your F ather, for One alone is your F ather--the Heavenly F ather.

Carefully observe the above translations, they all have the first use of 'father' with the 'f' in Capital letter or upper case - "F"ather. Then we are getting close to what Christ was saying. We can therefore proceed to find meaning to the word father as it relates to the EMPHASIS ON GOD.....because he says "BECAUSE or FOR ONE is your FATHER who is in heaven" .

First, Matthew 23:9 is opened on a concordance here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=23&v=9&t=KJV#conc/9
...and here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3962&t=KJV I opened the meanings as listed below:

1) generator or male ancestor
a) either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents
b) a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David
1) fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation
c) one advanced in years, a senior

2) metaph.
a) the originator and transmitter of anything
1) the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself

2) one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
b) one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way
c) a title of honour
1) teachers, as those to whom pupils trace back the knowledge and training they have received
2) the members of the Sanhedrin, whose prerogative it was by virtue of the wisdom and experience in which they excelled, to take charge of the interests of others

3) God is called the Father
a) of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
b) of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector

1) of spiritual beings and of all men
c) of Christians, as those who through Christ have been exalted to a specially close and intimate relationship with God, and who no longer dread him as a stern judge of sinners, but revere him as their reconciled and loving Father
d) the Father of Jesus Christ, as one whom God has united to himself in the closest bond of love and intimacy, made acquainted with his purposes, appointed to explain and carry out among men the plan of salvation, and made to share also in his own divine nature
1) by Jesus Christ himself
2) by the apostles

From the highlight in RED which deals with the word meaning as it relates to GOD as being called FATHER. The word father means, creator, upholder, ruler, preserver, guardian and protector. Hence, what is Christ saying since his emphasis in on the heavenly and one Father? Lemme make it plain inserting the meaning to replace the first use of the word father in context,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And call no man your creator, upholder, ruler, preserver, guardian and protector upon the earth: for one is your creator, upholder, ruler, preserver, guardian and protector, which is in heaven. .

If Jesus said, "call NO MAN...upon the earth...". Our biological father will also fall into this category because he says NO MAN upon the earth while in Matthew 15:3-4, Jesus said,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

How do you honour your father without calling him your father and that will contradict Matthew 23:9. Ephesians 6:2-3 says the same thing. Hence, Christ is saying NO EVEN YOUR BIOLOGICAL FATHER should be called our "creator, upholder, ruler, preserver, guardian and protector" BECAUSE (ONLY) ONE IS OUR "creator, upholder, ruler, preserver, guardian and protector", that is GOD, who is in heaven.

ijawkid: I'm centering on the religious context.......my biological father who begot me ofcus deserves that title in the bioligical sense.........I can keep calling my earthly dad Father till he dies......but spiritually speaking no human should be known with that title......we all are brothers.........I call any one I see brother..........scriptures says that.....

This translation might help you understand what Christ was saying better then,

New Living Translation (©2007)
And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father. - Matthew 23:9

Do you spot any difference from this translation? Jesus didn't differentiate between 'biological' and 'spiritual' father here - He simply said ANYONE or in other translations, he says ANY MAN. Our biological fathers fall into the category of ANYONE or ANY MAN. See, if you catch the difference from NLT translations or I will explain later.

KJV in MODERN day English is NEW LIVING TRANSLATION (NLT).

Bidam: Greed! what happens to being your bro..keeper..i know scriptures don't contradict..we wan make the op sweat small.

Okay, now you're talking. Na now you go agree with me because you already know what I'm gonna teach will favour you If na the other topic now, you go ready for me . Anyway, no call me greed but I know say na joke you dey joke sha but whenever you see me write something and I laugh () at it, you should understand\know I was joking alongside.

I will follow up with a post later soon to explain. Love you bro.

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Joagbaje: [size=15pt]Frees will giving is an offering. Not tithe.[/size] But they both have one thing in common ,they were both under the law. So free will offering doesn't supplant the tithe . They both have been there in the law ,before the law and after the law.

Ola, are you listening?

So you people cannot make out anything good out of the words of Christ and other scriptures? Are you guys saying scriptures contradict? This is how you people go about wrongly dividing the word. You guys better pick up bible concordance and understand each context. People are reading y'all on the Internet o.

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Some body please come help me here oooooooooooooooooo. I don laugh tire and rolling on the floor. Truthislight, you no go kill person ooooo.

Awwwww. Thank God I didn't miss this. E for pain me too much o. I SENT you a birthday gift already.

Happy Birthday to my wonderful sister. Long live your royal heritage in Christ.

[quote author=tpia@]^you need to sit down when reading my posts, instead of standing up in alarm.

this is what i typed:

that explains your threads![/quote]When your intelligence is questioned and you cannot prove anything other than being unintelligent, then you should rather be the very one to sit yourself down and answer this question:

Does drinking = drunkenness Or better still, does every drinking of wine\alcohol makes one drunk

debosky: I am sorry but yes and no isn't a credible answer - if giving is not freewill, then by definition it is mandatory/compulsory. If tithing is not different from freewill giving, then they must be the same.

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He (Ola) can't stand reasoning....I tell you! Let's wait for him again.

^ I believe that's where or what Pastor Olu T was talking about 'growing' comes in - That is, bearing fruit of the Spirit.

[quote author=tpia@]so, most of these anti-tithers are actually drunks, or drunk when opening threads?[/quote]Abeg stop showing your ignorance to the whole world wide web. How does drinking = drunkenness? Can you explain to the whole world please?

OLAADEGBU: You don't have to trust my interpretation because the Scriptures interpretes itself except you have a biased mind. Water is considered to be food in case you are unaware. Timothy was adviced by Paul to use "a little wine" as medication. Would you deliberately drink poison because Jesus said "Whatsoever"? A text without a context is a pretext.

And then I asked you, Are you a RAT to drink rat poison? Jesus said, "WHATSOEVER goes into a MAN'S (not RAT) mouth does not defile him. And I asked a simple question, will alcohol and\or wine be part of what goes into a man's mouth? Simple question, you can't answer and dribbling.

OLAADEGBU: It is commandment not admonition to totally abstain from alcohol. You can't get drunk if you don't drink.

(Ephesians 5:18).

If intoxication is the benchmark here, how do you know when to stop drinking before you get intoxicated?

Is this your own advise or have you got scriptural backing?

Ola, go back to Elementary school and go learn basics of English language. If you're having this kind of problem with scriptures AFTER being translated in English, people like you will do great wrong in dividing the word of truth.

Ephesians 5:18 says, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit". There's no FULL STOP when he says "And be not drunk with wine" and hence the continuation with the phrase, "wherein is excess". One can drink wine WITHOUT getting drunk hence the need for moderation. It is too much (excess), that makes drunk not the drinking of the wine itself.

luli4life: : am not sir,pls check d source. Tanx

Okay. In that case, I will leave my question out. Thank you!

OLAADEGBU: I think you need lesson 101 in reading and understanding the scriptures. Jesus was talking about food there, is alcohol food?

Read verse 17 and you will see where our Lord Jesus Christ is coming from:

(Matthew 15:17).

All our Lord Jesus Christ is saying here is that no food defiles a person. He was talking about foods that go into the body, gets digested and nurishes the body before the waste is dumped as number 1. Alcohol is not food, its poison. When you are intoxicated it means you are poisoned. The moment you get intoxicated your body begins to protest with confused thinking, slurred speech and impaired vision, memory and judgment. Is that clear enough?

Today, I fully know one cannot trust your interpretation of scriptures. OMG! Ola, what is this? Jesus simply says, "whatsoever...". You are here SPECIFICALLY limiting the words of Christ to ONLY food. Okay, doesn't water also go into the mouth? Doesn't medication go into the mouth? Is that NOT part of whatsoever? Whatever one drinks and eats is WHATSOEVER considered. I don't know why you're adding to Christ's word. When Christ wanted to say, son of man came, EATING and DRINKING....he was SPECIFIC, NOT where he said "WHATSOEVER".

@ debosky,

This is the same message we're passing across to our brother Ola but he's bent on saying NEITHER wine NOR strong drink. At least, you understand English very well for someone to be saying 'NEITHER...NOR....'. Can you see where the problem is and we're trynna make him see the truth of scriptures as you right said. I think Ola is just inserting human tradition into God's word probably because he doesn't like either of wine or alcohol.