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Many Christians had being indoctrinated with false teachings to believe we cannot questions how monies collected in our worship places every Sundays are being utilized. They say, just give and forget about how or what the monies are spent on\for BUT looking into the word of God, scriptures teaches otherwise by telling us how and what monies collected are being used for, contrary to the false teachings\doctrines of men in these end time. Today, I want to unfold the truth of God's word following a video (below) I watched and my passion for my country, Nigeria; and the poor masses, Christians inclusive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oh63k9vhBg?hl=en

Extract from the video:

Naive and desperate people all over the world are being exploited with the promise of a 'miracle' from God. This short film follows a 3 day event showing the pastor Benny Hinn's live event to 'cure' his audience with the promise to change their lives. Many are skeptical, including a Catholic priest who warns against these 'con men' who earn in excess of $100 million dollars a year from poor fraught people who struggle to make ends meet living off a dollar a day. How can these people get away with giving false hope, empty promises and fake miracles?

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New International Version (©1984)
Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 1 Corinthians 16:1

Whenever I study scriptures, I ask questions. Question: Who were these God's people (saints) and why would they need 'contributions\collections'? Let's allow scriptures to interpret scriptures. First, these saints or God's people are in Jerusalem as seen in context, verse 3 - 'with your gift to Jerusalem'.

Second, why would they need 'contributions\collections' so much that Apostle Paul would have to give Apostolic instructions for the church in Corinth to have 'weekly' contributions\collections for them? Because they are the poor Christians and it is the Apostolic tradition of the early church to share within themselves in fellowship. These saints\God's people refers, doubtless, to persecuted Christians in Jerusalem; they were generally poor, and exposed to various trials. Scripture parallels and uses the same word 'collection\contribution' with the circumstances and occasion of this collection in Romans 15:25-26,

New International Version 1984
25Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the saints there. 26For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.

Today, what do we see in our churches following the poverty rate of Christians in our country? Preachers\Pastors collect Sunday Sunday collections without meeting the needs of the poor among themselves. Scriptures says the collection is FOR THE SAINTS, and we found out they are the poor saints within the body of Christ though in Jerusalem at that time. We neither worship in Jerusalem anymore (John 4:19-21).

"If" your church or worship place is not using the Sunday Sunday collections to meet the needs of the poor within themselves as instructed in God's word, it's time to quit giving to a religious organization that doesn't act the mind of God. There're many churches all over the country and yet, many poor within the churches; yet nothing is done to these poor people of God as seen from the video above. There're many poor Christians that collections in churches ought to be utilized to free them or empower them from the grip of poverty.

The collections 'for saints' in scriptures were never contributed to fuel the extravagant lifestyles of preachers\pastors but for the poor among believers. Hence, if your church is not doing the will of God, quit giving your money to her weekly! However, these is not to mean monies collected cannot meet other needs of the churches but the poor amongst God's people should be in the top priorities.

Bidam: LET'S LEAVE THIS TITHING ISSUE FOR A WHILE AND TALK ABOUT WEIGHTIER MATTERS ABEG..

Okay. Very good suggestion. Watch out soon and see the next thread I will open, It's one of the most weightier matters in my heart.

Joagbaje: Every worshipper of God ought to honor God with tithe. Wise parents even pay tithe on behalf of the little babies . So being a student doesn't make a difference . But you don't tithe on money given for specific purpose . Such as school fees or books. But you can tithe on pocket money and allowances

manmustwac: waste of nairaland space

So you confess?

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Thank you. As a marrer of truth, deliverance means 'to believe in what's already done'. I will expand larer. God bless you!

~ Jokers ~

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Okay, I can see you need a little tutoring sir but I won't entertain time wasting going back and forth. lemme address one after the other.

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Deep Sight: No you miss the point sir. The point is about shifting the goal posts - namely - changing the requirements for salavation. OT people were not required to believe in Jesus, were they? Why is it now the case that non-belief in Jesus leads to eternal damnation?

It's simply because the Old and New operates under different covenants. When God was ready to begin the New Covenant whereby the Non-Jews, Gentiles will be engrafted into His plans and purpose for mankind, there's need to change from law to Grace. Therefore, Christ become the one that bridged the gap making the Jews and Gentiles ONE in God's family. I'm too weary for now to start quoting scriptures, hence, I will simply state the point.

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Deep Sight: God being perfect and eternal surely cannot be involved in such petty games?

That's no game sir - God cannot operate the new with the old laws given to when he was dealing with only one nation, Israel. God is NOW dealing with the whole universe. The constitution of United States doesn't govern Nigerians, does it?

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Deep Sight: How is it that the standard for forgiveness of sins has changed between OT and NT? Does God change his rules and laws as he goes along? ? ? ? ?

Because the Old was only a shadow of better thing to come, which the reality is Christ. God doesn't change his his 'rules and laws' anymore as it is, because the reality has come and we await his second coming. The New Testament has fulfilled the Old. There's no more testament coming other than Christ himself. The word had been canonized\sealed\forever settled\completed in Christ which was the purpose of God changing his mode of operations.

Logicboy03: Dancing azonto!

I don get share from the tithe bounty!

No tithe sir logic. Only freewill gifts. Haven't you being against tithing? Why will you later come to share from what you've against?

Boomark: Hmm...

May be i will have to enroll in a pastoring school and be among those that solely receive.

Yes, and when you enrol; there shall be laying of hands to impart unto you spiritual gifts.

Deep Sight: Really? I thought your God is said to be the same yesterday, today and forever?

So he changes the goal posts during the game, eh?

I see.

No scripture is of 'private' interpretation. Yes, God is the same yesterday, today and forever in the essence of HIS PERSON, NOT IN THE ESSENCE OF HIS MODE OF OPERATIONS. I can be using phone as a person to talk to you and later change to using Internet. It will still be SAME ME but my means of communication have changed. Take a look to understand what I'm saying,

New International Version (©1984)
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Hebrews 1:1-2

Questions:

Was it God that spoke to our forefathers THROUGH the prophets IN THE PAST? - Answer: YES

Was it the SAME GOD of yesterday (PAST), today (PRESENT) and forever (CONTINUOUS) that NOW SPEAKS IN THESE LAST DAYS TO US BY HIS SON? Answer: YES

Has this SAME God changed? Answer: NO

What has CHANGED with the SAME GOD OF YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER? Answer: His Methods\program\mode of operations.

I'm still interested in this topic o. I haven't abandoned it o. I need to take my time to respond fully.

alexleo: Error. school fees is not profit so no tithe on it. Most importantly pray for God's guidance not mans'

I hope most of those pastors can say things the way you're saying it without using all kinds of gimmicks to manipulate the people. Do you now see one of the reasons we teach against tithing?

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Atheists also can be blessed via this opportunity my friend!

@Boomark,

I can see you've decided to join the list of these people I've been teaching; they've been receiving and receiving; now is the time to give\share with he who teaches in the word. Don't follow those people that came before you o, you MUST give and not receive at this time because you've been receiving for too long. Make sure you don't miss out in the Apostolic blessing o.

I can see you dey form mighty eghor now shey. Teacher don teach you and now, you wan dey use the same word dey fight your teacher Abi? No worry you hear. All of una, I no see anything yet o. Wondering why this thread is not on front page yet.

Alexleo, I don't mind you sharing the problems so we cam help our nation. I hope to read from you when you have time. If we know the problem, then the solutions can surface. For record, I wasn't saying tithe is the problem; read and understand me please. Thank you.

ATMC: ... d documents are stashed in d bank and banks don't work on saturday at my location so d matter is postponed to next week and meanwhile i'm going to d appeal court in heaven

... What! You know say God pass me abi? So now, na God you wan call for me abi? No worrie, me sef go tell baba God wetin you do and why I relieved you of your position - because you doubted.....and whatsoever is not of 'faith' is sin! You see that kind equation so?

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No problem man of God.

Zikkyy: G.O no be my fault na you know treasury matters na my area of specialization.

Okay, because sister ATMC doubted, she was relieved of her treasury post. You hereby resume with immediate effect upon signing the treasury documents sent to you via your email. Pastor Kun and Evangelist Frosbel shall proceed with all necessary ceremony to install you in the office of treasury. Take you sit back now!

frosbel: I only believe in sending farm products as tithe, it was never money.


send me your address and I will ship down this wonderful fruit basket from the first fruits of my farm :


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Well, well! You're a good steward. All these people I've been teaching for months, you're the FIRST person to 'communicate' with he that teaches. That's why you've been blessed with revelation of truth that liberates men. Keep giving and God keep blessing you - Give and it shall be given to you! Thank you. I will email my address to you ASAP.

ATMC: *grins* blessed are those who saw and believed...

Since you're becoming like doubting Thomas. I hereby relieve you of your treasure post and hereby handed to Deacon Zikky. I can see Asst Pastor Kun viewing this thread but don't worry about him. He's already an Associate\Resident Pastor. Haven't you read or haven't I taught you the kingdom principles? - Believe and you will see (John 11:40). In the world, it is see and you will believe BUT in the kingdom, you have to believe to see (John 11:40).

You're hereby relieved of your treasury post because we, as Apostles don't work with 'doubters'. But before you go, check your email to sign the 'outgoing' papers and submit all 'church' documents in your care.

Zikkyy: Our able G.O, I no understand this kukere talk o! I used to be the treasurer of this our church. You don carry my post give woman. Na promote una promote me abi have been fired? If na promotion, I no fit do paper work o! I want a position where the raw cash will be passing through my fingers

I have taught you to live by 'faith' O ye of 'little faith', how long shall I be with you ?

ATMC: No comment till i see it...btw is dt a prophecy or word of knowledge?

Neither 'prophecy' nor 'word of knowledge' nor 'speaking in tongues'. It is by faith that the just shall live. By faith, we call those things that be not as though they are.

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Why are you laughing at me na? Abi I no dey preach truth for this forum ni? Don't I deserve 'carnal' things from my students ni? As a marrer of fact, you also need to give so you can be blessed also because your "very own" blessing is on the way.

ATMC: yipee! I'm a signatory to d account na, abi no be so?

If you want to be a signatory to the account. Check your email. I sent you an emergency email to sign the approval note.

christemmbassey: is it offering, tithe, seed, 1st fruits, sacrifice or partnership or all of the above?

I have taught with all integrity against 'tithe', 'seed', 1st fruits, - Whatever is sent can be called 'sacrificial' or 'partnership' giving; just label your gifts as note when you send into the storehouse that is, my paypal account.

InesQor: Lol you forgot to tell us your paypal account. Oh wait it's on your website yeah?

My paypal account is same as my email - goshen360@yahoo (dot) co (dot) uk. You gat it? Now, you're ready to 'communicate' with the one that teaches. Apostolic blessings is waiting for you! God bless you sweerie.

ATMC: I'm d treasurer...let d carnal things begin to flow! ...let money rain let it rain

Na everytime afraid dey catch me for you? But lemme approve you to test if you will not run away with God's money meant for advancing God's kingdom\helping the needy. In the meantime, you are ENDORSED as the treasurer but I can't give you password to my PayPal account o; you only be in charge of accountability.

InesQor: LOOOOL the post is dripping with sarcasm though

What sarcasm are you talking about sweerie? When those pastors raise offerings and collect donations, are they also dripping with sarcasm or they actually are blessed or am I not preaching the same Gospel as they do?

Abegggi, my paypal account is ready; I'm checking it constantly as we speak.

Yooguyz: is it brother Goshen that wrote this thread? Am having a hard time believing goshen wrote what i just read

Why not? If we feed you with 'spiritual' things, aren't we entitled to 'carnal' things

I have my PayPal account ready sweerie. Besides, all gifts will be used in helping\supporting the needy and towards the Gospel advancement.