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victorazy: If u like pay ur tithe or leave it, is ur own business. U only see tithes as a borden but u payed for sexx and give buy phone on 100k or more.

What kind of statement is this? Lord have mercy.

buzugee: lets hope he is not a train driver LOL

Don't start with him this weekend o. Abeg of you. lolz The one you did to him last week, he hasn't recovered fully from it.

logicboy: But he is a 419.

Na wha for u o. Always derailing a thread.

Oga KamiLara,

Nice comment

logicboy: Keep trying to brainwash sheep, you 419

You don't have to call him/her 419 pleaseeee

Logic Mind: buzugee, na your mrs be dis?

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I still haven't heard your clarification please. Read my 2nd comment pls.

@ OP,
Nice thread.

Ozegbe: he is answering questions posted by suppose worshippers round the world as if he dint have them or practise them before.
Basically he is doing question and answer and i wonder why there is no open line to call him?

Please, kindly expatiate on the bolded statement please. Am kind of interested in this Pastor Chris and I will tell you the reason as soon as I get clarification of how or what the bolded statement meant. Thank you.

debosky: [size=20pt]But it was NOT an increase for Abram - he gave away the 90% to the king of Sodom - in fact, he didn't hold on to one single part of those spoils. Do you follow the same principle? Do you give the remaining 90% of your 'increase' to the king of Sodom?[/size]

I asked you another question - how is giving tithes of Abram supporting this idea of yours that tithes were for the support of 'full-time' ministers?

As for my suggestion, it is simply an example of how an individual can decide how much to give - it was recorded as an act in response to the welcome he received from Melchisedek, and not as a laid down requirement.



I have no issues with the teaching based on an example, as long as that example is clearly stated out. Anyone saying you will be devoured for not giving tithe is not taking an example, it is a law of some sorts.

Is using handkerchiefs taught as a principle of healing (i.e. if you don't use handkerchiefs then you will die) the way people say if you don't tithe the devourer will eat your possessions?

At this juncture I will bow out of this current thread - maybe making occasional posts. There are now too many contributors simultaneously commenting to foster coherent conversations.

Thank you Debosky. The highlighted and many more are what brother Image123 and his cohorts are simply dodging and refused to answer while they keep going in circles. Let Image123 tell us openly IF HE ALSO GIVE 90% TO SODOM (SAY THE CHURCH IN HIS CASE OF WHERE HE GIVES TITHES) IMAGE123, DO YOU ALSO GIVE YOUR REMAINING 90% TO CHURCH WITHOUT KEEPING ANYTHING FROM YOUR INCREASE (OR SALARY IN YOUR CASE)?

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And what is he teaching please? Do you mind sharing with us?

[quote author=iconic_s]@Goshen I see you are either evading my questions or are ignorant. Summarily, the tithe came before the law, the law just help in the how its supposed to be given during the duration of the law. If you decide not to give your tithe as I see you have, its personal as just its consequence. My point is don't spread it cos nobody can be at a disadvantage for paying tithes wheter wrong or right. If in any church, the instruction is "pay your tithe" pay it period or leave and join a church that doesn't. Don't mislead people. Anybody who isn't paying tithe is their business, but criticising those that do is a manifestation of that guilty conscience feeling, recruiting others won't make it right or wrong. That's all I ll say. God loves you and so do I![/quote]My brother, am NOT evading your question. I know you said tithe came before the law. You are right. However, one thing you failed to understand is this tithe that came before the law through/in Abraham was also abolished. Since you believed that the "law" tithe was done in/through Abraham, now tell me when the writer of Hebrews (Paul, I believe) writes that it was abolished and disannulled, what do you think he was doing to Abraham tithe that came before the law. (heb 7:9-10) When you read and study Hebrews 7 properly, you will understand what the writer is saying. It is not a matter of right ot wrong to pay tithe. You seems to be on the side of tithe before the Law. heb 7 gives us the answer even such pre-law tithe was abolished. If you don't mind, let us (you and i) take a moment to discuss the pre-law tithe. You can also see page 11 of this same thread where i did indepth exposition verse-by-verse on Heb.7. We can then chew more if you want. https://www.nairaland.com/913987/uncomfortable-questions-tithe-preachers/11 Thank you.

studM: Its very obvious u lack an understanding concerning d issue of tithing,it would b wiser for u 2 keep ur mouth shut if u hav noting 2 say rather than coming up here 2 spew rubbish and uninformed comment abt tithing,whom do u think ur helping wen u giv tithe in d church?better ask for understanding from d Holy Spirit,or else u might die in ur poverty

Are you by any means saying if/when someone doesn't give tithe, such person will be poor or remain in poverty?

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Thank you Nuclearboy. I will do that as soon as possible. I will summarize my believe in the true biblical concept, hopefully by tomorrow. Thanks and God bless. You are indeed a giant in the heart. Some people come here to insult and tear you down simply because their so called MoG said so and they don't see any other thing being taught by another person aside their pastor as truth. I have really learnt anger and impatience indeed.

Image123: Yepaaaaaa, i don suffer. See Goshen choosing the words of pharisees as his life's vision. If we mention Luke or Matthew now, he'll say that one is pharisee. Cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry cherry. Sherrrriy mangoooooo! Do you sell some, i want to give my tithes.

What are you talking about brother? I can't understand you o.

Image123: Big lol at Goshen trying to persuade and ensnare folks to come join him discuss tithes forever. i'm here man(at least for now), don't i give you satisfaction no more? Righteousness, peace, joy in the Holy Ghost, that's God's kingdom. Not who pays or gives tithe Or who's discouraging people from giving or paying tithes.
BTW, like i said earlier, you don't understand the issues you discuss. Is your new headache about whether tithe is paid or given? It's the same thing. I pay and give my tithes. Abraham(abi na Abram-senseless distraction imo) paid and gave tithes. It's there in Hebrews, stop making a laugh of yourself on the Lord's day.

You obviously did not read my reply or comment to you. I know you are here and you are getting a wrong impression now. Am not making people to join me bro. You are going a wrong way about judging my "intention or heart" and that is absolutely an error from you. We are here teaching and learning the truth. Like you said, there are so many distraction now on this topic, hence you and I discussion is put on hold. I only respond to people as they speak. I reply to content of comments and not otherwise. And you say "PAY/PAID" is the same thing as "GIVE/GAVE?" This is ridiculous bro! I dey laugh in all languages for this your comments. Nobody says, don't teach or practice tithe AS LONG AS IT IS DONE AND TAUGHT IN A BIBLICAL WAY AND THE WHOLE TRUTH OR CONCEPT OF BIBLICAL TITHE IS PREACHED/TAUGHT. There are three Kinds of tithes in the word of God and you yourself agreed to this, Your MoGs ONLY teach ONE out of it and even that one is twisted. THIS IS WHAT WE STAND AGAINST. This is pretty simple.

Degis: Look who is attacking personalities here? You are not doing anything for the truth bet against the truth. Your illogical questions denote high degree of foolishness because it is a whole gamut of foolishness. If you are comfortable with eating poison eat it but don't spread it here. TITHING IS A SCRIPTURAL COMMANDMENT . IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT , TEAR IT AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE.

Then if you think or believe and teach tithing is scriptural for "Christian" Kindly point to scriptural backing to your logic conslusion sir. It's no beef at all. And when did tithe become a "poison"? I bet you haven't read even where the bible says a tither can EAT his or her tithe?

pd piper pippen: You are a big ignorant fool, tithe came before the law under the old testament, abraham our father whom we follow paid tithes before the law ws introduced, so plssss!

Please stop insulting people when you have nothing to contribute. Did Abraham "PAID" or "GAVE" tithe. Your words are confusing. You only pay what you owe? Now answer this simple question? Did "Abram" OR "Abraham" OWE Melchizedek to have PAID tithe?

[quote author=iconic_s]@Goshen Jesus was not the high priest while he walked the earth. They were priests as well as the high priest when he walked the earth. I think what you shld ask yourself is:
1. Which came first, the law or tithe
2. Was the levitical priesthood in existence before moses?
3. Why was abraham's name changed from abram?
4. Why would the bible say will a man rob God?...you have robbed me in tithe and offerings" (mal 3:8-10) if these were voluntary like you are painting
5. How did Abraham gave tithes of the same spoil the bible says he gave to the king of sodom because according to Abraham "..lest you say you made Abraham rich" (Gen 14:21-24).
6. Did jacob give tithes at all, and did he give it the the levitical priesthood?
7. Where did jacob get idea of giving a the tenth from?
8. What's the correllation between the tithe and the law that's warrants it being abolished with the law.
9. When did the law come into effect?

Waiting your reply and my response to that will be my very last cos christianity really is personal![/quote]All your questions are still going in circles sir. Stop mixing the law of Moses with that of the tithes of Abraham. You agreed the Levitical priesthood was abolished and now when being scrutinized, you come to tithe of Abraham. Let's not confuse matters here as I don't just want you to run away or jump out of this thread. There are two school of thoughts on tithing and I have learnt to deal with one at a time rather than mixing both. When you mix both together, this is where you guys try to confuse God's people. NOW TELL ME/US, WHERE DO YOU BELONG TO: TO THE pre-law (Abraham tithing) example OR The Law (the Levitical) example? If we know where you belong then we can treat issues well enough. I want you to stay and explain what you know to the whole world as what you know should not be too difficult to explain.

Degis: Foolish Questions require Foolish Answers. If you don't want to practice Tithing and you are ardent in your belief then don't practise it. Pastor Kun and Goshen360, you are 2 pitiable people who deserve slaps. You guys had better remove yourselves from here before an ignorant soul is converted to your foolishness

What exactly is your problem? That we are exposing the fraud of tithe or that your kind of tithe falsehood is being seen by the whole world? Can you attempt one or of the questions? Everyone is expressing themselves (if it is truth or heresy they have been living with) but you are here attacking personality. Well, take it from me today. I can do anything for the truth as long as the truth is preached. Call me/us whatever names you feel like. For people like you, I have this verse of the bible:

And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. Matt 22:16 kjv

The bolded is what I have chosen and decided in my walk with God. You can contest it if you want to.

ijawkid: Na wa o...

@ least the theft was Çarried out nt under a church facade....
D pastor is just a thief...

How's he gonna handle this

[size=15pt]Isn't he paid salary by his church??[/size]

Image123: Nuclear, you're older than cherry picking my posts na. You've read all i posted on this thread, and i trust you do not suffer from lack of 'retentive' memory? Meanwhile what do we do with all your agberos, we're on question 8 in our deal remember? This place is such a market now, do we wait(ehn Goshen?) Or start a new thread?
BTW, it's a pleasure having Dr. Russel in our midst, although he came on market day.

Yes my brother. We will have to suspend our "own" discussion and the WE NEED TO OPEN ANOTHER THREAD AFTER THIS SHOW WITH DR. RUSSELL E. KELLY to engage in teachings with pro-tithe teachers from Genesis to end of tithing mentioned in the scriptures. I think this will do justice enough. Dr. Russell is an authority in this tithe subject and we will honour him in our midst to do an indepth teachings on this subject. He might be reading this but I will also write or email him for this request.

[quote author=iconic_s]@Boshen, Beula and Bernimoore very true, the levitical priesthood has been annulled. Jesus is now our great high priest consistent with scriptures. Abraham paid tithes to melchizedec who is without origin, made like unto the son of God, Jesus our High preist (Heb 7:3). Abraham had nothing to do with the law cos "the law came by moses...". Again Abraham didn't pay tithes from the spoils cos he returned all the spoil to the king of sodom, except what the men eat and took (Gen14:21-24). Again Jacob vowed a vow that if God will fulfill the abrahamic convenant with him, that he will give "the tenth" of all that God shall give him (Gen 28:20-22). Where did Jacob learn that principle if not from his father Isaac?. These people gave tithe before the law starting with abraham who gave tithe to melchizedec who symbolises Christ. Now the levitical priesthood has been abolished and the law has been abolished too (Eph 2:15). Whereas you pay your tithe to avoid a curse and for the devourer to be rebuked for your sake (Malachai 3:8-11). So if you don't want to pay your tithe that's personal but please don't preach it cos when you change your opinion about it, you can't change the fact that some would have taken to your opinion about not paying tithes. Its better to pay tithes and be right or wrong cos you only "loose" money if wrong than to not pay tithes and be wrong, marrying curses in the process. That's all I ll say on this topic. Love you all!!![/quote]First, you dont have to run away please. You MUST finish what you have started. We are NOT here to preach or teach our own opinion,okay. The bible says, "PROVE ALL THINGS..." Like someone said, what you know shouldn't be too hard to explain and proved.

[quote author=iconic_s]@Boshen, Beula and Bernimoore very true, the levitical priesthood has been annulled. Jesus is now our great high priest consistent with scriptures. Abraham paid tithes to melchizedec who is without origin, made like unto the son of God, Jesus our High preist (Heb 7:3).[/quote]So you agree that the Levitical Priesthood is annullED. This same Levitical priesthood are the ones who HAVE THE COMMANDMENTS TO RECEIVE TITHE hEB 7.5. Now that that Priesthood is abolished, why is only the tithe still exist? If Melchizedek foreshadows Christ, When Christ came, Did he receive tithes? OR did he command the Apostles to receive tithe? Kindly explain to us. And please stop misleading people with words because words are powerful. Did Abraham "owe" Melchizedek "Anything"? Stop using the word, "PAID" when the context reads "GAVE".

[quote author=iconic_s]Again Abraham didn't pay tithes from the spoils cos he returned all the spoil to the king of sodom, except what the men eat and took (Gen14:21-24).[/quote]Wow! Abraham DIDN'T give tithes from the spoils? CAN YOU TELL US FROM WHAT ABRAHAM GAVE TITHE FROM PLEASE?

[quote author=iconic_s]Again Jacob vowed a vow that if God will fulfill the abrahamic convenant with him, that he will give "the tenth" of all that God shall give him (Gen 28:20-22). Where did Jacob learn that principle if not from his father Isaac?. These people gave tithe before the law starting with abraham who gave tithe to melchizedec who symbolises Christ.[/quote]Do you vow to God that "IF" God will ....And wait a minute, why are you putting assumption into the word of God? Where did we read that Jacob was taught by Abraham to tithe and If Abraham had taught him to tithe, why is he negotiating with God rather that just tithe straight away? You need to explain this please?

[quote author=iconic_s]These people gave tithe before the law starting with abraham who gave tithe to melchizedec who symbolises Christ.[/quote]This shows you don't even know what you are saying. Was it "ABRAHAM" that tithed or "ABRAM". Please go back to genesis 14.14-24. You seems not to see the difference.

[quote author=iconic_s]Now the levitical priesthood has been abolished and the law has been abolished too (Eph 2:15). Whereas you pay your tithe to avoid a curse and for the devourer to be rebuked for your sake (Malachai 3:8-11). So if you don't want to pay your tithe that's personal but please don't preach it cos when you change your opinion about it, you can't change the fact that some would have taken to your opinion about not paying tithes. Its better to pay tithes and be right or wrong cos you only "loose" money if wrong than to not pay tithes and be wrong, marrying curses in the process.[/quote]This is the greatest contradictory statement I ever read on this forum. Am like WHAT? You agreed the Levitical priesthood was abolished and the Law also abolished and yet the levitical priesthood that have the commandment to receive tithe, ONLY THE TITHE STAYS? You need to read Gal 3:10. This is the reason you are also cursed for still continuing in the law, because you are doing some part and not doing the whole. It's very clear my brother. And your malachi is NOT under the OT that was abolished right? You only pick out the tithe from what you yourself said it was abolished. This is strange!

[quote author=iconic_s]That's all I ll say on this topic. Love you all!!![/quote]This CAN NEVER BE ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY OR YOU WILL SAY IN THIS TOPIC. You need to finish your teachings and repair your personality please. Don't go so fast!

Mafious: I don't know of any flavious or Mishna but I can assure you that tithe has always been 10% of your increase so I don't know where the 23% tithe is coming from.
Secondly this is nairaland a place where you can come and air your observations, so if you say some Senior Pastors chop all the tithe and refuse to pay their staff remember that those are strong allegations so at least give us names of those Church that you know who do that (no one is ever going to find you out) if not we would just assume that you are either not sure or simply telling lies.

Second you say we cannot agree that the office of Apostle and Prophets exist today (really!) so who is we? It appears you obviously don't know what the five fold office is.

To the main topic least I drag this too long, the first person to pay tithe was Abraham and he did it on his free will. Tithing has been and will always be free will (covenant or not), he did it as an example for us. The Pharisees understood this perfectly that is why the tithed even to the the last morsel.

Like anything in this world; when money can be made you'll find unqualified people practicing that does not mean you should brand every pastor a thief who is in it for the money. If you call yourself a Christian and you have read your bible cover to cover and you fall prey to a fake pastor then you are the dumb one.
Jesus Christ said I WOULD BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATE OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL so if you don't believe in tithing keep your money real Church would never need you paltry 10k to survive. I hurts me when I hear people make so much noise like they have ever given more than 50 naira offering, in my time in Church and you can investigate yourself no Church can grow on tithe and offerings alone, you find people who give over and above what other give some folks refer to them as partners those are the folks who fund projects writing cheques to the tune of Millions so it you have a problem I believe you should request a refund of you tithe and you should get it.

Abraham gave met Melchi perceived he was a priest and gave him a tithe, Jacob was sleeping and had a dream where he say angels ascending and descending and he built an alter and gave burnt offering. This folks recognized the principle of sowing and Hebrews 7 tell us Christ is a priest of the order of Melchi so tithing is perfectly legal for only a priest of the Most High can receive a full 10% tithe.

Malachi 3 is a good chapter that deals with the promise of attached to tithing, so instead of complaining about tithing you do it and see if my God would fail to bless you. Nobody is a fool my dear you think the Millions of people who tithe don't have important things to do with their money? I have been unfaithful with my tithe and I have also been absolutely faithful and I have seen the difference this tithing business works.

Tithing take a level of faith and spiritual maturity so it's not for the feeble minded. I have friends who don't tithe and without coming through as proud I tell you they cannot touch me. I am the only who goes to the US embassy with a silly bank statement and still get my Visa, I have visited 6 nations on 3 continents without having to spend a dime, I am the one who turns down GTB because the Job is just too damn hard. I am the one who will get a Lagos State Scholarship to finish my commercial pilots license and I am just in my 20's imagine what God has in stock for me if I remain faithful if you don't believe me let me know and I would add you as a friend on FB so you would see a living testimony of the manifestations that comes with tithing. Get over the narrow mindedness and give to God what is God's and if the pastor chooses to squander it let him it's between him and God.

As for your last point if your Church does not have a ministry for the less privileged change Church it's that simple.

Can I ask you few questions from the indoctrination you posted here?

Deedee49: As for me,what is bin done with my tithe is none of my business. I am only obeying the commandment of God by paying it to d church. So,if someone mis-uses it,its left to him and God,not me!

And where in the bible IS THE DEFINED AS THE STOREHOUSE WHERE YOU TAKE YOUR TITHE TO? JUST SHOW US A SINGLE VERSE THAT CALLS THE STOREHOUSE THE CHURCH?

Another tithe scripture twisting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ3gP00_hdM?version=3&hl=en

georgee07: Tithing is a command from God and is not negotiable..Mal. 3:10. as a child of God we must obey HIS command. The whole lot of qestions on tithe wil be answered when we get to Heaven. So just obey GOD.

if tithe is a commandment from God as per Mal.3:10(instituted from the law of Moses) So also is anyone who does not obey the other laws of Moses cursed as per Gal 3:10. Read it for yourself and judge yourself.

jidewash: i wont qoute any scripture 4 u.u all need d spirit of God 2 minister 2 u.the bible is meant 4 proof and reproofn.it is given 2 us as a proof of who God was ,is and will be.what God wanted,what he want now and what he will always want.ur question shows u are a literal scholar.good.but u need 2 move on from your gigal 2 jordan where your understandn is not your power nor by your strenght but by the spirit. a place where ur veil drops.let me tell u.there is greater truth.if u dont believe in tithe,u are missn a point.tithe place in under a blessn.the sky above will never be iron nor ur ground be steel.do more commue wit d holyghost,ask him whether u should tithe or not.may ur window be continually open.thank u.

Do you know a new testament believer IS ALREADY BLESSED AND TITHE IS NOT WHAT BLESSES A NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVER?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06cMyQ-ggc?version=3&hl=en

ONE OF TITHE HERESY TEACHERS. LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID, "TITHE TO GATEWAY CHURCH FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND IF YOUR ARE NOT FULLY SATISFIED, I'LL GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY BACK" Am like, WHAT? "I WILL GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY BACK?" And pay attention to the body language of the audience.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0uFa4tj58?version=3&hl=en