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Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:28pm On Apr 27, 2012
Joagbaje: GOSHEN

If a christian man did mastubation as required medically for sperrm test. Has he sinned? YES or NO
JOAGBAJE,

1. IF A CHRISTIAN BELIEVER GOES TO WAR AND KILL FOR HIS COUNTRY. HAS HE COMMITTED MURDER? YES OR NO

2. WHEN THE GUY ASKED, DID HE ASKED THE QUESTION BASED ON MEDICAL TERMS AND/OR WHEN YOUR DEMI-god ANSWERED THE MASTUBATION QUESTION, DID HE ANSWER ON MEDICAL TERMS? YES OR NO

Answer these two kweshions and I will also answer you before the whole world reading. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:12pm On Apr 27, 2012
Joagbaje: So I have given you a place to hide. I want to remove your hiding place now .

It's not a sin for a soldier at war to kill. So my answer is NO. cool
Shraap there, Hypocrite! Who asked you if a soldier goes to war and kill? Look at your hypocrisy displayed.

My question is: If a CHRISTIAN (A BELIEVER) SOLDIER goes to war under the allegiance for his country and kills, is it a murder or not? Stop fooling yourself.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:09pm On Apr 27, 2012
nuella2: Hello Jo, good evening.

This your friends don't get what your trying to communicate, the motives and thoughts is what makes it sin. If not no Christian will masturbate under any circumstance weda medically. But this is simple to understand na.
Thank you "nuella2". This is the same thing we have been trying to tell Joagbaje. Read my comments from the very beginning of this thread. Nobody will attack chris if he had stopped his statement after the good advice he gave to the guy that asked the question bUT CHRIS WENT FURTHER TO SAY IT'S NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD AND GOD GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, IT'S YOUR BODY. What the heck is that from? That is pure heresy! When a Christian give his/her life to Christ, such person don't own his or her body. This is very simple. Am just sick and tire of the Joagbaje's madness.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:05pm On Apr 27, 2012
@ musKeeto,

Dont mind the hypocrite. I told him to go attend the thread of his church cult organization. The guy said he is not interested but interested in defending his demi god and beating around the bush just because his god said it and he had to defend his god. Rubbish!
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 10:00pm On Apr 27, 2012
Joagbaje: [s]So your point is that it's not a sin if mastubation is done for test? Abi. Even though you don't have the gut to admit it. [/s]
Shataaap there! Can you answer musKeeto or My own question? You dont have the gut to dare answer either. Hypocrite!
Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 9:58pm On Apr 27, 2012
@ Image123 and Everyone,

Heb 7:8 from different translations below:

Hebrews 7:8
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
8 Those priests get a tenth, but they are only men who live and then die. But Melchizedek, who got a tenth from Abraham, continues to live, as the Scriptures say.

Hebrews 7:8
Amplified Bible (AMP)
8Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].

Hebrews 7:8
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
8 Priests receive a tenth of everything, but they die. Melchizedek received a tenth of everything, but we are told that he lives.

Hebrews 7:8
Good News Translation (GNT)
8 In the case of the priests the tenth is collected by men who die; but as for Melchizedek the tenth was collected by one who lives, as the scripture says.

Hebrews 7:8
The Message (MSG)
8-10Or look at it this way: We pay our tithes to priests who die, but Abraham paid tithes to a priest who, the Scripture says, "lives." Ultimately you could even say that since Levi descended from Abraham, who paid tithes to Melchizedek, when we pay tithes to the priestly tribe of Levi they end up with Melchizedek.

8 Priests receive a tenth, even though they are only men who live and then die. But Melchizedek, who received a tenth from Abraham, continues living, as the Scripture says.

Hebrews 7:8
New Living Translation (NLT)
8 The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.

Hebrews 7:8
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
8Here, priests take their tenth, but they are people who will die one day. But Melchizedek, who took his tenth, never dies. The holy writings say it is so.

YOU THINK YOU CAN CONFUSE GOD'S PEOPLE WITH THAT BIG ENGLISH OF "RECEIVETH" STUFF. lolz. grin Now I have quoted from many translations to you. Where in ALL these translation DID JESUS RECEIVETH TITHE?
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:44pm On Apr 27, 2012
Also answer this question and I will answer yours,

When a christian goes to war and kill, Is it a murder and sin against God?
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:28pm On Apr 27, 2012
I see say the guy don pick race o. He don run go other thread as him know say hurricane don blow him yansh for here ~OomaSheO~
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:25pm On Apr 27, 2012
@ buzegee,

Can my $$$ be converted them?
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:23pm On Apr 27, 2012
Joagbaje: I can't be going in circles over tithe matters . You can read my contributions on that. My conclusion on tithe is simply let everyone be convince in his own mind.

Romans 14:5-6
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Sharaaap there! Hypocrite! How can everyone be convinced in his own mind when you and your demi-god oyakhilome teach and lay burden on people and then you dont say people should be convinced on mastubation but you are trying to manipulate along with your god oyakhilome. As long as you keep talking to me, I will keep talking to you.

Go and attend to that thread that the name of your cult is mentioned.
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:17pm On Apr 27, 2012
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Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:14pm On Apr 27, 2012
buzugee: dont worry, [size=15pt]we the humane and caring members of this forum will collect donations for you so you can make a long overdue visit to the psychothreapist. 22 years of night vigil assault by that bald muscular polish papal love-vendor must have taken its toll on ya mental health.[/size] now we understand why you are an angry and pugnacious atheist. ekpele my brother. e go better. i will start the collection grin
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Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:12pm On Apr 27, 2012
buzugee: all his atheist brothers have run for cover. [size=15pt]they see as we dey skewer logicboy like suya.[/size] grin
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Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 9:10pm On Apr 27, 2012
Image123: Melchisedek receiveth tithes? Hahaha, wetin i no go read for NL o.
Why are just running around. Just prove that verse by pulling and quote from ALL AVAILABLE TRANSLATIONS and let's see if it was Jesus or Melchizedek. Very Simple. This is how to prove us wrong and prove yourself right,okay.
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:07pm On Apr 27, 2012
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Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 9:04pm On Apr 27, 2012
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Hypocrite! Now you are not interested in your own cult you defend on the thread of mastubation huh This is strange! You can defend your cult organization that mastubation is NOT A SIN YET YOU CANT DEFEND YOUR CULT ON HERESIES.

Joagbaje: Thanks [size=15pt]I'm not interested[/size] . You can get your own cult to attend to it. cool
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 9:01pm On Apr 27, 2012
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You are in soup today. You cannot derail this thread until we are done with you. ~NiceTryThough~ grin grin grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:56pm On Apr 27, 2012
Joagbaje: ^ do the same to your heresies
@ Joagbaje,

If you think I preach heresy, go here and attend to the truth your cult organization is teaching: https://www.nairaland.com/924786/wife-would-rather-pay-tithe
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome- self-service Is Not A Sin. by Goshen360(m): 8:42pm On Apr 27, 2012
Joagbaje: You just don't want to hear the truth that's why you want to shut me up. Okay you have won.
Go keep your truth heresy to yourself.
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 8:36pm On Apr 27, 2012
musKeeto: Actually, they opened your yansh in the church, [size=20pt]hopefully we can use this thread to stitch it[/size]..... grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
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why are you doing this to me, huh, musKeeto! This kind thing no good o.
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 8:34pm On Apr 27, 2012
musKeeto: i don die for laff 2day.. which kain thread b dis? grin grin grin
Na today I believe you, musKeeto say you be real man of God because this laugh anointing dey spread reach ma side here o. YOU NEED TO SEE ME AS I DEY FALL UNDER THIS LAUGH ANOINTING AND DEY ROLL ON THE FLOOR.

Buzegee, wetin you come start dis kind weekend nah,huh grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 8:32pm On Apr 27, 2012
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Buzegee, which one be this kind YAWA YOU COME START THIS WEEKEND FOR LOGICBOY? HUH huh The guy don pick race small for some minutes o. Abeg, no spoil weekend show for logicboy o because WE GO CONTINUE THIS KIND THREAD TILL MONDAY AND BEYOND. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 8:20pm On Apr 27, 2012
musKeeto: nice thread, hope we can use it to sew up logicboy's torn pants... grin grin grin grin
Yes o musKeeto. Logicboy yansh IS OUT. Breeze Don blow fowl yansh ~Yeeparipa~ grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 8:18pm On Apr 27, 2012
I wonder why Seun didn't add "Emoticons" to laugh an roll on the floor and to applause someone. I WISH TO APPLAUD BUZEGEE WHILE I LAUGH/ROLL ON THE FLOOR ON LOGICBOY ~laughingNrollingOnTheFloor~
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 8:11pm On Apr 27, 2012
musKeeto: lol, see as pple just dey happy, even sworn 'biblical' enemies have cause to smile together.. #iNoMentionName
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Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 8:08pm On Apr 27, 2012
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This is the kind of MESS image123 had brought into this thread. He was "reading into" God's word.

@ Apostle Image123, kindly read that verse (Heb 7:8 ) from ALL TRANSLATIONS and come back here to continue what you have started. Only God can forgive you for "reading into or adding to" His word. I would have forgiven you but I can't because it's NOT my word but the word of God. If you had quoted, distorted and mis-interpreted my own words, i would have forgiven you.

Again, ANSWER THE LAWS ASPECT OF 5(b) PLEASE. You agreed that the levitical priesthood changed, what about its laws? Does the laws regulating the levitical priesthood still stand after the priesthood had changed?

Thirdly, on 5(a), I still need a direct answer from you. Read my response above please. You are holding God's people that are reading this thread. They want to know/learn the truth.

On 5c, YOU SAID OPENLY BY READING INTO GOD'S WORD THAT IN HEBREWS 7:8 THAT JESUS IS THE ONE THAT RECEIVETH TITHE. Weather the tense is past, present, present continous or even future tense. I don't care. JUST COME OUT AND TELL GOD'S PEOPLE HOW THAT VERSE SAYS IT WAS JESUS WHO RECEIVES TITHE

On 5d, When you clear yourself on 5c above then you will clear yourself on 5d also.

On 5e,
Image123: Goshen, you don't understand that Hebrew passage. It's evident to me.
"And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all THE TENTH in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation." (Numbers 18:21).
This is clear and distinct enough to the unbiased reader. You bring up passages that don't even mention tithe and haul them at us. 'The world' is watching.
When you answer 5(a-d) correctly, then the WHOLE WORLD THAT IS WATCHING WILL CLEARCLY SEE WHAT THE WRITER OF HEBREW 7 IS TALKING ABOUT. Like you said and I believe "THE WHOLE WORLD" IS READ THIS THREAD. Kindly do yourself the honour to address the points raised in 5(a-d) please. You have a name to protect.
Christianity EtcRe: Logicboy Has Been An Altar Boy At The Papal Church For 22 Years by Goshen360(m): 7:45pm On Apr 27, 2012
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Christianity EtcRe: Jesus : No, I’m not talking about Twitter. I literally want you to follow me. by Goshen360(m): 7:41pm On Apr 27, 2012
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No problem, No beef at all. Just read those two verse from different translations. You will get what is said there.
Christianity EtcRe: Love and Light by Goshen360(m):
March man: We attend Christ Embassy Church and there is always pressure to give.
PRESSURE TO GIVE! Get out of that church! This is witchcraft. The God's way of giving is "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver" 2 Corinthians 9:7

March man: I have learnt how to manage these pressures, giving in the context of what i have and my other needs.
You are still TRYING TO USE WISDOM TO MANAGE WITCHCRAFT. Not every where that it called church is where God is worshiped neither is God is everywhere the name of God is mentioned. (incase you need more insight on this statement, ask me and i will explain using verses from the bible,okay)

March man: Not so for my wife! She often gives all her money by the first week of the month
Well, She is paying tithes OF ALL. This is STILL SCRIPTURAL. Your wife is fulfilling the scriptures, PAYING TITHES OF ALL. NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL.

March man: and needs to be supported till the end of the month. Because of that, she often owes a lot of her colleagues, and people who sell things to her.
Wait a minute, I thought she MUST have ALSO been taught about Malachi 3:10-12. It says and I quote:

"Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this," Says the LORD of hosts, "If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you [such] blessing That [there will] not [be room] enough [to receive it]. "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," Says the LORD of hosts; "And all nations will call you blessed, For you will be a delightful land," Says the LORD of hosts".

I thought the many tithes she had paid in the past would have opened the windows of heaven. I thought there would have been blessing in so much that you guys(husband and wife) will not have any space or room to contain or receive such blessings. I thought the devourer will be rebuked for you guys' sake.BUT LOOK AT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN DEVOURER BEING REBUKED TO THE PROMISED OF "SO THAT THE FRUIT OF YOUR GROUND NOR VINE FAIL TO BEAR FRUIT IN YOUR FIELD".

God is a man that He should lie neither the son of man that He should repent. Paying or giving "money" as tithe doesn't bring the blessings of same blessings of paying/giving "crops/animals" as tithe. Wake up! It's either God is a liar or you guys are doing some wrong. STOP ACTING THE WORD OF GOD AS "CONVINIENT" AND START ACTING THE WORD AS "COMMANDED".

March man: Recently she took a loan for business but spent almost all of it on CHURCH programmes. Then she bought a lot of things on credit.
Again, I thought by now from the tithe she had been paying; ""And all nations will call you blessed, For you will be a delightful land," Says the LORD of hosts." Mal 3:12. It's either meant what He says or there is a problem somewhere. A tither still borrowing and buying in credit? GOD IS INDEED PROVING HIS WORD AND FALSE TITHE TEACHINGS ARE BEING EXPOSED! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CONTRARY TO GOD'S PROMISES OF TITHERS. If in true sense, you want to see God's blessing through tithing, go and tithe from crops and animals and then prove God right or wrong.

March man: Now her creditors are on her neck. She doesn't have the money to give them because her company is deducting heavily from her salary to pay the loan. Yet she pays almost all what is left of her salary on tithe and for other programmes (partnerships)
I have a biblical answer for your wife here at this point. 2 Kings 4:1-6 nkjv

"A certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets cried out to Elisha, saying, "Your servant my husband is dead, and you know that your servant feared the LORD. And the creditor is coming to take my two sons to be his slaves." So Elisha said to her, "What shall I do for you? Tell me, what do you have in the house?" And she said, "Your maidservant has nothing in the house but a jar of oil." Then he said, "Go, borrow vessels from everywhere, from all your neighbors--empty vessels; do not gather just a few. "And when you have come in, you shall shut the door behind you and your sons; then pour it into all those vessels, and set aside the full ones." So she went from him and shut the door behind her and her sons, who brought [the vessels] to her; and she poured [it] out. Now it came to pass, when the vessels were full, that she said to her son, "Bring me another vessel." And he said to her, "[There is] not another vessel." So the oil ceased".

This is the biblical solutions to your wife's problem as clearly seen in the case of this woman. Tell you wife to get a bottle of oil, go to your pastor and the pastor should give a word that your wife to go borrow vessels from everywhere from her neighbours, empty vessels and she should not gather just few but plenty. Then your wife should come with the bottle of anointing oil and start to pour it into all those vessels. While she does that, each vessels should fill up with oil. She can then take the full vessels and go sell. Then she will have money to pay her creditors and live ON THE REST. GLORY TO GOD! WE SERVE A MIRACLE WORKING GOD. HALLELUJAH!

March man: I have tried to reason with her on how to give reasonable, but she has refused to follow my advice, saying she doesn't want to be persecuted! Yet she cries everyday to help her settle her debts! ( I have done these several times but this time, i want the follow of her actions to stater her in the face!)
How do you reason with someone who is under witchcraft? Huh? How?. Whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap. I will be right back for finish up my comments.
Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 3:36pm On Apr 27, 2012
@ Image123,

Goshen360: QUESTION 5
(a) According to Hebrews 7:9-10, Did LEVI who RECEIVES tithes also PAID tithes "in and through" Abraham?
AND I ADDED LATER,

Goshen360: Hebrew 7:9-10 reads,

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

AND THE QUESTION READS

5(a) [size=15pt]Did[/size] LEVI who RECEIVES tithes also PAID tithes in and through Abraham?

Answer YES or NO. 5(a) It's a YES or NO question but if you have explanation to be added to your answer, it's allowed.
AND YOUR ANSWER WAS,

Image123: @Goshen
5a). A comprehension test? You must be in the spirit of the ongoing wassce. What's this question got to do with anything except to catch me in my words, hypocrital. ARRIVAL Hebrews 7. Well let's make some foundations and note the basics in Hebrews 7. If you read from verse1-8, you'd SEE that before Levi, there was a priest/clergy/spiritual leader. AND before Levi, there was tithe. I'd so love to go into detail but not to irk your cohorts, let's move on. Note the tense used in verse 9 'Levi RECEIVETH tithes'. Receiveth is not past tense, it's continuous present abi na future continuous(Debo, which one?). The verse ABOLISHES your claims that there is no more receipt of tithes. The writer of this epistle saw tithe as a present continuous thing to do, else He would have said "Levi also, who RECEIVED tithes".
The verse then says Levi paid tithes IN Abraham i.e just like we all sinned IN Adam.
I can't just understand why you go in CIRCLE when it comes to simple answers. I didn't put my "RECEIVE" in past tense and neither did i CLAIM ANYTHING. As a matter of fact, nobody cares about whether is in past, present, present continues and even future tense. The question was asked as it is in the bible, very pure and simple. I also used the same past tense in PAID as used in the bible. If you like to use RECEIVETH, that is you BUT YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. I perceive you KNOW what's in that very question, hence you dodge it.

Your simple answers should/would have been: YES, the Levi RECEIVES AND PAID TITHE IN/THROUGH ABRAHAM OR NO, LEVI WHO RECEIVES TITHE DIDN'T PAY TITHE IN/THROUGH ABRAHAM.

Very Simple. Nobody is saying tithe didn't exist before Levi or not. My questions are still coming to that because you simple don't understand where the writer of Hebrew was doing. I will show you .....IF WE GET THERE.

Goshen360: QUESTION 5
(b) According to Hebrews 7: 11-12, Was the LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD and ITS LAW CHANGED OR NOT?
AND HERE IS YOUR ANSWER(S):

Image123: 5b). Good of you, you amended your error. i wish you could do that more often. Levites cannot be abolished, at least not from the Bible. They are a tribe in Israel, and we still see them in the future in Revelations 7. Maybe/it appears you people don't know the meaning of 'abolish'. Abolish means put an end to. e.g like slave trade abolished. It's not the same thing as 'change'. Like i can change from channel1 to channel2. That's different from abolishing channel1. We shouldn't just use big grammar to confuse ourselves. The Levitical priesthood was changed not abolished. The KJV talks of abolishing idols, even righteousness, works, enmity, death. It never mentions abolishing the Levitical priesthood, what we see is change. Note again, tithe is not a subset of Levi, it existed before Levi. Priests/clergy/ministers are not a subset of Levi, they existed before Levi.
Again, the question says Levitical priesthood and its law changed or not? You took one side of the question and left the other side of its law aspect. I know you had argued here in the past that the law being changed is that it's no more restricted to a particular tribe called levi but not many BUT WHAT HAPPENS OR HAPPENED TO THE LAWS GOVERNING THE LEVI? Since you just agreed that the levitical priesthood changed, Does the LAWS governing them REMAINS OR ALSO CHANGED? This is what Hebrews 7:12 clearly stated. You took the levites/levitical priesthood now many and left the law being changed aspect. CAN YOU PLEASE ATTEND TO THE LAW ASPECT REGULATING THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD, DOES IT REMAIN WHILE THE PRIESTHOOD IS CHANGED? Again, as to tithe existed before levi or not, we will get there as you dont understand what the writer of Hebrew was doing here in Hebrews 7. I will show you in as we progress. Answer the laws aspect of the question please.

Goshen360: QUESTION 5
(c) If you claim that the Levi, its Levi-tical Priesthood and Laws still exist today in the body of Christ (remember this Levi is one who functions in the levitical preisthood, who receives and paid tithes in/through Abraham v9-10), WHY IS IT NOT CALLED ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF AARON (Heb 7:11) BUT ACCORDING TO THE TRIBE OF JUDAH (Heb 7:13-14)?
AND HERE IS YOUR ANSWERS:

Image123: 5c). i didn't make such claims. i said we still have God's ministers working full-time and that it's no more limited to a tribe. We still have an High Priest, albeit an unchangeable one Jesus, of the tribe of Judah. Today, you can be black and non-Jew and still work for God full-time, that's NT. It's no more the exclusive preserve of the tribe of Levi or the house of Aaron. Today, Jesus still RECEIVETH tithes Hebrews 7v8.
"And here men that die receive tithes; [b]but there HE RECEIVETH THEM
, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth."[/b] (Hebrews 7:cool.
This is the GREATEST SHOCK OF MY LIFE. Seriously, Is this how you read INTO the word of God? Seriously! This is strange. THE WRITER OF HEBREWS WAS MAKING A COMPARISON AND USING MELCHIZEDEK WHO WAS A TYPE OF THE PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS. UP TO 14, THE WRITER IS STILL TALKING ABOUT MELCHIZEDEK IN VERSE 8. I URGE EVERYONE READING THIS ARTICLE TO READ FROM ALL AVAILABLE TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE. VERSE 8 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT JESUS YET, IT WAS STILL COMPARISON OF LEVITICAL PREIESTHOOD AND THAT OF THE TITHE EVENT OF ABRAHAM. IF THE WRITER WAS TALKING ABOUT JESUS IN VERSE 8, THEN THIS WRITER WILL COME IN VERSE 13-14,
For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

Goshen360: QUESTION 5
(d) According to Hebrews 7 :13-14. Jesus arose from the tribe of Judah which makes it clear that even Jesus nor anyone from His tribe was not eligible to receive or collect tithes because He was not from the tribe of levi who were commanded to receive and pay tithe. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS BIBLE TRUTH? if you don't agree with this bible truth, kindly state your reason(s)
AND HERE IS YOUR ANSWERS

Image123: 5d). Hebrews 7.8 clearly says that Jesus receives tithes and is eligible to. God is not a man, neither is He Moses. He receiveth continually and continuously, or as in soccer parlance `tithe4life`. Hebrews 7v13-14 say nothing about tithes. You can check all the versions and language bibles you can lay hands on. You're adding to the Word again, why?
I have responded to these in (c) above and your answers here is still claiming same thing. If Jesus received tithe and the same writer told us in verse 13-14 where i quoted above that Jesus is the one that is talked about AND HE AROSE FROM ANOTHER TRIBE THAT IS NOT COMMANDED TO RECEIVE TITHE. I THINK THE PEOPLE READING THIS THREAD SHOULD MOVE A MOTION FOR YOU AND I TO EXPAND IN DETAILS AND VERSE BY VERSE EXPLANATION OF THE BOOK OF HEBREWS 7. YOU ARE PURELY READING INTO THE WORD OF GOD. Very Simple!

Goshen360: QUESTION 5
(e) As a PRECONDITION to the Levites accepting/inheriting the tithes, God EXCLUDED them from OWNING LAND in Israel because tithe is given to them as their inheritance. WHY IS "NOT OWNING LAND" NOT PRACTICED TO FULFILL THE CONDITIONS FOR RECEIVING TITHE OR WHY DO TITHE TEACHERS/PREACHERS OWN LAND/BUILD HOUSES YET STILL RECEIVE TITHE - Is this part of God's ordinance being practised in today's tithe doctrine?
AND HERE IS YOUR ANSWERS

Image123: 5e). God gave the Levites the tithe of israel FOR their service to God, not because He excluded them from owning land. Goshen!
i don't really get your 'exclusion from not owning land' bit. The Levites had CITIES to dwell in. They were to fully concentrate on God's service, and not to busy themselves with sowing and harvest like other tribes. That's the part/bit that i know. But and if you insist, we are new testament christians and not subject to 'do not own land' laws. Acts 4.36,37 Joses was a Levite and a new testament christian. He owned land and even sold it. There's no such condition of which you speak, at least not in the NT which i operate in. Be 'berean christians' guys, not just winners of points and arguments. Truth hurts less with time.
AND KUNLE JUST SHOWED YOU EVEN AS I WAS GOING TO SHOW YOU:

Pastor Kun: I had wanted to restrain from commenting on Image's answer but I just have to make this one. God clearly stated in scriptures that the Levites were entitled to tithes becos they had no inheritance in the land and the scriptures below prove it.

Deuteronomy 14:27
27[b] And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee[/b].

Deuteronomy 12:12
12 And ye shall rejoice before Jehovah your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your men- servants, and your maid- servants, and the Levite that is within your gates, [b]forasmuch as he hath no portion nor inheritance with you.[\b]
Everyone knows that after God divided the land to all the tribes and ALSO GAVE THE LEVITES WHERE TO DWELL, they were further commanded NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING APART FROM THEIR PLACE OF DWELLING AND THEY ARE NO PERMITTED OR COMMANDED TO ANY INHERITANCE ASIDE WHAT THEY HAD BEING GIVEN TO DWELL. And according to you in Acts 4.36,37; Joses had land and THAT SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT HE IS NOT PERMITTED TO RECEIVE TITHE AS NO RECORD SHOWS HE DID. This time of Acts you mentioned, it is very clear that as the levites are NOW violating the commandment to not owing a portion nor inheritance, there IS NO MORE ANYTHING LIKE TITHE FOR THEM if they are to go ahead and own portion and inheritance.

AT THIS POINT, I AWAIT YOU TO REBUT OR ANSWER TO MY OBSERVATIONS ABOVE. I ALSO AWAIT EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD TO MOVE A MOTION FOR YOU AND I TO EXPLAIN VERSE BY VERSE ON THE BOOK OF HEBREWS 7.

THANK YOU.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes, Offerings And First Fruits - Do They Apply To Us As Christians? by Goshen360(m): 4:17am On Apr 27, 2012
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Christianity EtcRe: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Goshen360(m): 4:09am On Apr 27, 2012
Image123: And goshen, i see you improvised. Your questions now have children, hopefully the remaining may even have g.children. How fruitful and duplicitous. BTW, your (a) question is not clear or comprehensible enough.
Hebrew 7:9-10 reads,

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

AND THE QUESTION READS

5(a) [size=15pt]Did[/size] LEVI who RECEIVES tithes also PAID tithes in and through Abraham?

Answer YES or NO. 5(a) It's a YES or NO question but if you have explanation to be added to your answer, it's allowed. Again, the rest questions is NOT going to carry up to "g.children" BUT might still carry upto or not to "e.children",lolz. Abi you wan question examiner why he dey set question like this? Oga, take time o. grin

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