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Bidam:
I also laff in 3D when folks like you "claim" it is the holy spirit that allows premarital sex, i laff more when folks claims masturbation and gay marriage is allowed since it is the Holy Spirit that tells them. There was a pastor that claim this same Holy Spirit tells him that his church members should eat grass, what you don't get it the bible as the word of God is the only standard yard of measurement whether the Holy Spirit is saying to you the truth or not. You are the guy that is blind because you still don't get it that the Holy Spirit does not function outside the word of God. The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law.

I agree that the word of God is the measuring standard for the functionality of the Spirit. But does the Holy Spirit tell you to keep the Mosaic Laws already abolished or keep some and leave some?

2. You're also right when you said: The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law. Then leave it at that and stop promoting keeping the law or some parts etc.

3. I have told you many times, pre-marital sex is never part of the sin of fornication. You're yet to understand this simple thing. Even you partner, Ola agree to that but just can't do away with traditional man-made doctrines. Even in the Law you promote, pre-marital sex wasn't condemned and mentioned as sin of fornication. It's always some kind of crazy sex outside when you're already married. All through the epistles, acts in the sin of fornication are all mentioned, never pre-marital sex. Well, I'm not talking about whor.ing and prostitu.ting o, private or public. Go and do more study on it and get over this issue.

4. Those you mentioned that said the Holy Spirit told them this or that, I have never said they are right - the word has to be a measuring standard but not in the Mosaic Law because the MOSAIC LAWS WAS NEVER GIVEN OR WRITTEN TO CHRISTIANS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

MrPresident1:
You are a mad man.

Israel did not lose it because the laws were difficult to keep, Israel lost it because they chose wickedness, disobedience and idolatry over the commandments of God;

Jeremiah 32:23
23 And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:


Israel lost it BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO OBEY AND NOT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT KEEP IT. STOP SPREADING LIES, DEMONIC LIAR

The next time you insult me again, I will send you to your entire family. Talk like an adult and a mature person if you want to discuss.

Okay, that verse you quoted is the whole purpose of the law. THAT IS, DO GOOD AND GET GOOD, DO BAD AND GET EVIL. Israel could not keep the Law and the Law INCLUDING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE ALL ABOLISHED. What a Christian live by is the law of Spirit in Christ.

Bidam:
So if you go and steal now, you are telling us you will be free from the law since it was abolished?

I can't steal because the Holy Spirit doesn't produce the fruit of stealing in me.....this is what you are not getting. So I don't steal by the Spirit and the LAW also say, don't steal. So in your mind, you are still saying when I don't steal, it is the law I'm following....I laugh you in 3D. What is the role of the Holy Spirit in your life as a Christian? To help you keep the law?. BTW, I work with my hands to feed myself and my families. So, why will I steal if I can provide for myself and my family?

MostHigh:
#
Can you not see the spirit of life in christ is obedient to the law.

Can you not follow in his footsteps?


you have a point regarding the the works from the heart but that is just one side of the coin. one must also be obedient as the master is obedient.

And stop preaching death to christ.

What spirit of life in Christ is obedient to the law? A Christian is not called to obedience to the law but to the faith in Christ's finished works. Christ broke the Law, yet he didn't sin. Have you ever wonder how and why? Why do I have to follow steps of what the Jewish people cannot keep? I think you need to take a journey on how the law was given in the first place and why?

MrPresident1:
Goshen360, you are a fool.

This is me here;

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

I KEEP THE WHOLE COMMANDMENTS

Why do you put on clothing materials that is made up more than one fabrics? You keep the whole commandments in deed....

MrPresident1:
And you Goshen360 are a Fool. A Fool spelt with capital F.
Are you reading at all? You motive here is to cause confusing, and to continue enforcing the slavery of my people through dubious deceitful teaching. And you have been very effective in the hands of your master, the devil. You will pay for your sins against God.

I am not unaware that some people have been appointed to perdition right from the beginning of creation.

This is the completion of the law;

Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

I KEEP THE LAW. EVERY PART OF THE LAW, YOU SPAWN OF THE DEVIL

So, you thinking Kingdompartaker is me right? . You miss road o

Bidam:
is the law abolished?

Which Law are you talking about? Mosaic Law? Yes, abolished!!! Law of Spirit of Life in Christ, NO!!!

HumbledbYGrace:
Great. Prepare a speech then

I might not be able to do the speech thing but I will participate. I might or might not be at work at that time.

BossTtdiamonds:
Oh! Really? Let's take a close look at another bible passage (2 PETER 3:15 - 17) "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand , which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability ". (ESV)

First, we must notice in verse 16 that Peter acknowledges and plainly warns believers that Paul's writin's were "hard to understand" and that some people were twistin' what Paul had said "to their own destruction."
He concludes with a warnin' to believers not to be fooled into makin' the same errors as the LAWLESS people who had misused Paul's teachin's. Even in the days of the early church, it seems that some who called themselves Christians were using Paul's epistles to do away with God's Law.

1/ When you read something in scriptures, it's best to use scriptures to interpret scriptures. The fact that we read "law" in scriptures doesn't not automatically make it law of Moses. Context defines if it is talking about law of Moses or some kind of law. That being said, since we want to use Paul to interpret Peter; let's look at scriptures what Paul said to understand what Peter was saying:

New International Version
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
Romans 2:14

Look at this scriptures very well, law was used in 2 different meanings - law of Moses vs Natural\Instinctive Law. This instinctive law is born out of nature and to those who have the Spirit of God, by the Spirit, which is called the law of Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Peter cannot be teaching obedience to the Mosaic Law after being corrected by the Law in Acts and also rebuked by Paul for not living to the truth of the Gospel and being hypocrite. When you find yourself doing things required in the law, it doesn't mean you are following the law of Moses even though your acts are in line with writings in the law. Those are actions produced by the Holy Spirit in YOU!!!

BossTtdiamonds:
1 John 3:4 defines SIN as lawlessness; therefore, sin is biblically defined as the violation of God's Law.

See the answer here:

Expanded Bible (EXB)
Because the law can only bring God’s ·anger [wrath]. But if there is no law, there is ·nothing to disobey [no transgression/violation;  the law points out sin (5:13), but it cannot save from sin].

New Living Translation
For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)
Romans 4:15

You want to give yourself under the "thou shall not" but you only bring yourself again under God's anger\wrath\punishment. But when you place yourself under the leading of God's Spirit which had now replaced the leadings of the Mosaic laws, you are operating the perfect law of liberty.

BossTtdiamonds:
Those who break God's Law because of their contempt for its value to a believer are practicin' lawlessness (Matt. 7:23; 13:41). In 2 Corinthians 6:14, Paul rhetorically asks "what fellowship has RIGHTEOUSNESS (Gr. dikaiosune) with LAWLESSNESS (anomia)?" The implied answer is NONE.

For many years, we have looked at that scriptures in 2 Corinthians 6:14 with religious eyes\interpretation. Look into the Greek again, it's dikaiosynē for righteousness and the unrighteousness you quoted it right (anomia). What Paul was comparing in the verse was "those who have right standing with God" vs "those who are of the law but breaks the law and does wickedness to the face of the law that guides them". Paul did the same in Romans, of those who boast in the law but breaks the law. For so long, we have applied that scripture to unbeliever like Muslims, pagans etc but someone can be in a church with you and not be a believer....such is an unbeliever.

BossTtdiamonds:
Through His grace, God has provided a way for us to be pardoned from the death sentence we've earned by breakin' His Law. Why, then, would someone assume that this pardon negates the Law of God? Why would someone repay the unmerited favor shown to them by God with a rebellious disregard for His commandments? Why would someone think that an eternal, unchanging God would contradict Himself by requirin' believers to disobey His own Law in order to maintain His divine favor?

Grace doesn't say you can do whatever you like but it says, you are not lead by the Mosaic law. In fact, a Christian doesn't live by the 10 commandments. Does that mean a Christian can kill? Certainly not!!! Does that mean a Christian can commit adultery? Certainly not!!! Joseph said, how can I do such a wickedness and sin against God...by sleeping with another man's wife. What 10 commandment of thou shall not commit adultery was given to him?

Grace doesn't mix with Mosaic Laws. The Mosaic Law is a killer to a Christian living under them. As a Christian, you do not need the law to tell you adultery, killing, lying etc is bad, the Spirit of God tells you that and guides you into all truth. Finally, we're under Grace so that we can live or be guided by the law. No, we're under Grace so we can live by faith and be led by the Spirit and I know too well, the law is not of faith.

HumbledbYGrace:
Thank You Sah....so RSVP things right?

Ermmm, maybe, sure....

ATMC:
#Giveshimafacethatcanstopaclock

Missed you small shaaaa. Did u miss atmc?

Yes, missed you sweetheart...sure you're doing great in the Lord and being strong\growing in Grace?

MrPresident1:
Enforcer of my peoples' slavery, continue, lol, just continue, your punishment will not tarry.

A bare faced demonic liar is what you are.

Purpose of the law and when it was supposed to stay in effect? The Law is forever, you compound nitwit.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Mathew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Read before commenting, barefaced liar.

Blabbing as usual. Nothing in that verse was a response to what I said regarding the purpose of the Law and when it was supposed to be in effect to. Let me tell you straight and simple, the Law ceases to operate in the life of a Christian the moment the Spirit takes over. We, Christians are led by the word and by the Spirit, not by the Law of Moses.

HumbledbYGrace:
M @ home, home has been good

^ Love that new signature...

Errmmm, @ ATMC, you try no be small. cool & relaxing topic...

Yooguyz:
Am curious what is this "one size"?

It's a saying about one kind of method propounded to solve the problem of everyone..... .

Thank you and great job, @ Kingdompartaker. I left this thread because the Law Keeper have nothing meaningful to say about scriptures. In deed, those who claim to know the law knows nothing about the law when challenged. They don't even know the purpose of the law in the first place and when the law was suppose to stay in effect. I'm tire of people who waste other's time without meaningful discussion but constant going in circles.

Great job brother, @ Frosbel. There's nothing like being led by the Spirit of God no more, it's now a mechanized one size fits all method.

Legacy44:
I believe Melchizedek is an Angel

^ You try no be small.... . But why do you believe he's an angel?

BossTtdiamonds:
The law/grace distinction in scripture is often misused, mostly because the teaching is difficult to understand, but also because most individuals tend to seek out ways to dodge obedience.
It is certainly true that Christians are under the principle of grace, not the principle of law. In other words, we attain righteousness not by behaving in the right way, but by trusting God for his salvation (Galatians 3:11).
But this is not to say that we ought not to behave in the right way. The fact that we are saved by grace does not make adultery, for example, an acceptable practice. The law—God’s will for how we ought to live —is still a perfect standard and guide for us (Romans 7:12). But grace—God’s gift to us— makes obedience a possibility and a reality. Grace is not only forgiveness for past sins (although it certainly includes that), but also empowerment for future obedience. Grace does not mean that God does not expect us to pay out tithe; it means that he will give us the strength to do it even much more than we would as well as the reward for doing it.

Romans 7 is a complete dismissal of relationship between Law and Grace including the 10 commandments. So, Paul, the Apostle is not telling you to follow the Law in order not to commit adultery. Tell me, what Law was Joseph following for not sleeping with another man's wife? When you dig into Romans 7 from verse 1, you can't make such statement as above.

vooks:
Goshen360,
John must be schizophrenic for telling us the Word became flesh seeing he'd been flesh and ran a kingdom a few hundreds of years before he was born.

^ Thanks my brother from another mother but same Father... ([s]If they like, make them say our Father married more than one wife[/s]).... . You see, these guys have no mercy for truth. In their mind, they know the truth but fighting against the truth. I'm just trying not to stretch this topic too much because even in their stupid terms such as Christophony and all that non-sense. It's just deceptions!!! When a type appears in the OT, the substance will have to do the same in the NT to fulfill the acts of the OT in order to be considered types\shadows.

Christ, our High Priest, did not come to collect tithe but to BLESS!!! That's why you didn't read Melchi demanding tithe BEFORE blessing Abraham. Abraham was already blessed without tithing in Genesis 13. You can't tie Christ's blessings to tithe in the NT. When a man is blessed, he knows what to do as a Christian, you don't have to teach him to give. Hence, we read.....unto whom Abraham GAVE....not PAY tithe. Every GIVING is always a certain % of one's income. The NT doesn't specify a FIXED %, that's 10 to believers. Hence, Abraham giving 10% is not a LAW to Christians, it's an example of Christian giving WITHOUT A FIXED % since we have not stipulated % in our Christian giving.

But when preachers and brothers such as we see on this forum use Abraham tithing to demand 10%. Then, they have to follow the rest of Abraham's standard in that same context - keep nothing to yourself and return the rest 90%. Why take the 10% and ignore the acts of Abraham on the rest 90%. That's why on one hand, they want to justify tithe now with Abraham example but they make a LAW out of it. Abraham could have given 1% or 15% or 9% or 20% or whatever. Abraham didn't OWE Melchi nothing, why should he PAY tithe. So, in the NT, when a man is blessed, he knows how much he's blessed - let him decide what to give....every giving is always a certain % of one's income. Let the man decide on his own, don't stipulate his giving.

Another silly argument is, many things\acts pre-dated the law AND was instructed\incorporated in the law which was all abolished in the NT, could not tithe had pre-dated the law, incorporated also in the law and later abolished in the NT? I haven't got no answers to this question of mine.....maybe one day, I will.

Long story short, these Melchi argument is still an effort to sustain tithe scam since the law argument failed in the face of scriptures and sound doctrine and we all know it.

Zikkyy:
unfortunately, this is how tithe preachers and lovers interpret the term 'order'.....i.e. Jesus priesthood is bound by the rules and regulations stipulated by the Melchizedek 'order'

I just stopped reading that crap Ola copied from a website and posted it here. Does he even read what he post sometimes? How can a honest student of the bible say something like that:

Hebrews 6:20 says, “[Jesus] has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” This term order would ordinarily indicate a succession of priests holding the office. None are ever mentioned.........

So, Jesus succeeded to hold the office of Melchizedek? I laugh in 3D....... SMH literally!!!

lanxlot:
u said he isn't Christ. but didn't say who he is.....d way he Was described is Kindof a pictorial of God HIMSELF.

Let's test the above highlight IF HE WAS GOD HIMSELF.....

Goshen360:
If that verse is God Himself, let's put it in scripture and see how it reads:

King James Bible

For this Melchisedec GOD, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

(This GOD....as in verse 1 above continued in description is....) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; abides a priest continually

Hebrew 7:1-3.

Compare the highlights in RED and ask yourself, was the verse comparing ONE person to another or TWO DIFFERENT people OR IS IT JUST ONE PERSON IN DISGUISE?
2. Who are the TWO compared?
3. Was that verse comparing Melchizedek to Christ OR Christ to Melchizedek?

Can't catch up with this thread but reading behind my fellows.

MrPresident1:
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The whole Bible is the Law.

Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

You are either afraid of the Law, or ignorant of it. In the volume of the book is the will of THE MOST HIGH GOD.

God never intended man to live by the Law but by His Spirit. No one knows the mind of God except by His Spirit, 1 Corinthians 2:11 and His Spirit had revealed the mind of God to us, 1 Corinthians 2:10. Get your word knowledge straight, God never intended the Law for man but by His Spirit.

OLAADEGBU:
"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; abides a priest continually" (Hebrew 7:3).

Any sincere sensible reader would conclude that the peculiar description of Melchisedek given in Heb 7:3 will know that this was not just a failure to mention Melchi's pedigree but that the description perfectly fits God Himself appearing to Abraham in a theophany, unless you are claiming that Jesus existence only began when He was born through Mary.

Brother, you're making that verse that's as clear as day light to be too difficult and it doesn't add up with other scriptures. Now, lets test ^ what you wrote up there by simple analogy. If that verse is God Himself, let's put it in scripture and see how it reads:

King James Bible

For this Melchisedec GOD, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

(This GOD....as in verse 1 above continued in description is....) Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; abides a priest continually

Hebrew 7:1-3.

Compare the highlights in RED and ask yourself, was the verse comparing ONE person to another or TWO people?
2. Who are the TWO compared?
3. Was that verse comparing Melchizedek to Christ OR Christ to Melchizedek?

You must keep the Law? Under a new covenant? smh literately

DJHayes:
MELCHIZEDEK OBVIOUSLY HAD A BEGINNING, OR HE WOULD NOT HAVE EXIISTED.

Lemme help you confuse Olaadegbu the more:

King James Bible
Now consider how great this man (Melchizedec) was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hebrews 7:4

^

New Living Translation
For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God.
1 Corinthians 11:12

Maybe Melchizedek is not part of the every other man that is born of a woman but Jesus was.....

lanxlot:
I dnt even need d scripture 2 tel me that premarital sex is a sin. u shud know frm intuation dat it is wrong, and what is wrong is wrong. no use painting it.....premarital sex is wrong, so a sin. u avent distinguished between fornication n premarital sex as I asked.

Whenever I get the opportunity to talk about this subject, many people are of the opinion that I'm endorsing immoral lifestyle but the truth is, we desire to study the bible truth. Many things are men good idea but God never called them sin in His word. I will rather prefer we discuss this on a separate thread IF YOU WANT TO BUT IF NOT, WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THIS MELCHIZEDEK TOPIC, hopefully we'll discuss another day. However, I didn't make those distinction you asked because it will still get us into the discuss but it's not what I want to discuss on this thread.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you saying Christ had a beginning and and end?

Confusion in 3D mode!!! Christ is the Son of God. That is, the Son-God. Jesus is the Man of God, that is, the Man-God. Christ is the Deity in the Jesus of the earthly. So we understand that, great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. As God, Christ has no beginning but as the man Jesus, HE HAS A BEGINNING OF DAYS (Matthew 1) AND END OF LIFE (Matthew 27:50, John 19:30, Luke 23:46, Mark 15:39).

MostHigh:
Goshen, it is what it is.

Why take offence at being called Lawless. You are proudly Lawless if I remember those are your words exactly.

The Lawless man is scriptural and you are Lawless.

Why you dey take am as insult??

Whatever brother. ..

DJHayes:
Sorry Sir, but Salem did exist. If it had not been in existence at that time, it would not have been mentioned. You have a serious problem when you rely on commentaries to be more authoritative than the inspired Word of God. God's Word says Salem existed. Your commentary says it did not. You'd do well to throw away your book of lies and stick to the Word of God.

I kept telling Olaadegbu our brother the same thing but he thinks I'm always insulting him. He makes idols out of these articles and commentaries. Ola can't reason or discuss simple scriptures without referring to one article or a commentary and what you expect, he's going to be a confused person in the end by copying from too many articles and commentaries. You just have asked him, how can one be a king of a place if such place don't exist? ....

MostHigh:
The Lawless man returns

I don't have your time. You're always insulting me even though we laugh at it, I don't care, it's online thing but you have nothing meaning to say other than insult.

lanxlot:
premarital sex isn't a sin? dats a shocker. bro, m beginning to suspect ur Expanded version of d bible....mayb u were d 1 dat did d expansion....dats crazy. ok, make a clear distinction between premarital sex and fornication....anh anh, Goshen d son of moses.

Religion has fed us with lies for years when we're babies in Christ. As we grow, study and mature, we study again what we've been taught and hold onto the truth, dropping religious teaching.

People have called me out on this subject before and I'm not ashamed to teach what I'm teaching because it offend some religious beliefs and thinking but that's the truth. If you like us to discuss it, you can open another thread with my ID, and I will discuss it with you.

But if I put it straight and simple, fornication is a sin, a great sin before God and there are many acts in the sin of fornication but pre - marital sex was never part of the sin of fornication. If you are open mind, I will show you scriptures by scriptures every mention of fornication, the acts of sin that was committed and why we have to allow scriptures interpret scriptures, not our good ideas.