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I see my brother, Zikky, destroying these folks with questions they can't answer and they trying to spin around ...

Lemme go to my place of daily bread before this law fellows kill my time, time is money....

MostHigh:
At least I am not fighting christ on all fronts because of tithes.

Always putting paul over christ.

Your reward awaits you.

Lawless man.

Leave Law matter, A righteous man and a man with the Holy Spirit in him doesn't need the law to guide him. Get this into your mind and stop going in circles. This is Melchi thread, not Law.

MostHigh:
Your catching at straws here


Can 2 distinct people occupy the same eternal office?

remember both are designated high prist of the most high God.

Lawless son of the lawless man.

Ignorance in 3D, BOTH DIDN'T OCCUPY ONE AND SAME ETERNAL OFFICE. One was likened to another and the function of one was hidden in one, revealed in the other. Is Melchizedek as a man interceeding for you as a priest today or Christ? There's only ONE mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus. Melchizedek long died. Christ died and resurrected and herein he lives and we have hope he intercedes for us.

MostHigh:
Thats your opinion.

And your opinon is scripture based.....

MostHigh:
Even a child on milk knows that they are one and the same person.

High priest of the most high God.

Just like an elementary school kid understand you have to compare two entities together for you to make a comparison:

...but made like unto the Son of God...

If they are one and same person, it will be:

...Like the Son of God, Melchizedek Son of God continues to be a priest forever.

The world is laughing at your foolishness and education\comprehension in 3D mood....

OLAADEGBU:
The way you pick race when you claimed premarital sex is not immoral? May the Lord deliver us from these wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be apostles of light.

And please, contribute to the topic without referring us to one article or another. Is Jesus Melchizedek or not?

MostHigh:
Weak interpretation.

The focus is on the unending nature of his priesthood and not natural birth or death.

Goshen the false teacher.

Get thee behind me..... . Our focus is, is Jesus Melchizedek? Answer in plain and simple English, Yes or No?

OLAADEGBU:
The way you pick race when you claimed premarital sex is not immoral? May the Lord deliver us from these wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be apostles of light.

I said it and will preach it anytime, anywhere - premarital sex wasn't mentioned as part of sin of fornication. I left your thread because you kept copying articles online and can't discuss scriptures by yourself, without backing it with truth of the word. We have been fed with lies and we're now standing to the truth of the word. Challenge me any day, anytime, I will teach it more and even clearer - you YOURSELF agree that pre-marital sex wasn't mentioned to mean fornication but you can't leave it at that, you're inferring your own meanings by human traditions. Folks like you makes the word of God of no effect, get it right.

lanxlot:
thats 1 p I av bout varied interpretations, but most versions av read have similarities with what I wrote up there. also, u said sumtin bout kjv's "neither having beginning of days nor end of life", u said it made referenx 2 wen melchizedek Was born and wen he died. I take xception to ur assertion, cux Its distinct. neither avin beginning nor end isn't Same as being born.

Having neither beginning OF DAYS = The day one is born
nor end of life = The day someone dies

So, put it together, the day he was born wasn't records in the genealogy\missing, so also the day he died. But we all know Christ had a day he was born and also the day he died. So, he is not Melchizedek.

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I see you peeping o.....abeg no go copy one article to prove Melchi is Christ o...because of tithe.... . Because I go ask you one question wey you go pick race.....

lanxlot:
Bros, no use asking u bout ur denomination, av seen it already. but ur comment is frightening....sum1 lived frm d tym of david up to d tym of Christ.....Bros haba! type anoda tin na.

. You get Holy Ghost sense no be small. You see me as I siddon dey look the guy

DJHayes:
Where is the Biblical proof that Israel was an agrarian society? Or even largely agrairian? When the old Testament mentioned other job descriptions and those who fulfilled them, was it lying?

The problem I have with this whole tithe fiasco is the lack of evidence that Israel was solely, or mostly, agrarian. I have a problem with the claim that we should be tithing our money when there is absolutely no recorded instance in the Bible of anyone being told to do such.

The only way to arrive at a conclusion of a money tithe being necessary is to completely ignore the biblical text itself.

Your observation is truthfully right. They claim Israel was main or solely agrarian society then but right in their face, scriptures proved them wrong. Many occupations were mentioned in the law but none of them the law required them to tithe.

Hebrews 7:3, Expanded Bible (EXB)
No one knows who Melchizedek’s father or mother was [ …without father, without mother], ·where he came from [L without genealogy], when he was born, or when he died [ having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;  something unstated was assumed not to exist]. Melchizedek is like the Son of God; he continues being a priest forever [ Melchizedek’s unmentioned genealogy in Genesis is, by analogy, like Jesus’ eternal Sonship and priesthood].

When KJV said, "neither having beginning of days nor end of life", its a phrase referring to "when he was born and when he died". The question I have asked people who teach Melchizedek is Christ is, if he was a man LIKE Christ, did he fall from heaven when scripture says, ONLY Adam was created BUT every OTHER MAN ON EARTH WAS BORN BY A WOMAN, EVEN CHRIST WAS BORN OF A WOMAN AS A MAN.

Another question we can ask the advocate of "Melchizedek is Christ" is, does it mean that Christ was here on earth before his virgin birth? Many things or object appeared as a foreshadow of Christ in the OT but those where not exact Christ. Think about this scripture,

Galatians 4:4, Amplified Bible (AMP)
But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to [the regulations of] the Law,

We can understand from this scripture that, there was a "proper time" Christ came. So, he could not have come "before" the proper time in person of Melchizedek until he was born of a woman BUT that Hebrew scriptures says, Melchizedek didn't have mother. Offcourse he had a mother, the name of his mother and father wasn't recorded nor exactly known and was missing in the genealogy so he (Melchi) can be preserved to fit the "description and comparison" of Christ when he said "MADE LIKE" the Son of God.

Lilimax:
Good for you but follow your mind.
As for me, I've decided to be tithing and I'm pleased with it

It doesn't matter. What we're trying to establish is what you just said above ^ tithe or not, doesn't make any better or more blessed or richer etc. Even for devourer, tithe doesn't rebuke it or not for those who tithe or doesn't tithe. So, why are YOU attributing devourer to YOUR TITHING?

Lilimax:
Tithing is a spiritual exercise and does not require any consultations before performing. I pay my tithe always and the devourers are being rebuked for me.

I stopped tithing many years back and didn't allow myself to think my blessings are tied to tithing or not but to christ. I have been more blessed than ever. ..you don't want me boast of my blessings in Christ that even some tithers don't have, do you?

Melchizedek is not Christ. I guarantee you, the reason false teachers now twist scriptures to say he is Christ is because they still want to collect tithe using the example of Abraham AFTER THEIR LAW TITHE ARGUMENTS FAILED FLAT IN THE FACE OF SCRIPTURES.

That scripture in Hebrews is as clear as day light. Only dishonest folks will twist that scripture and dumb people will not ask questions. Thank God you can ask questions and the answers are obvious. Now, give me few minutes, I will explain the part that says, "having neither beginning of days nor end of life" to you, it's just one of the KJV English that confuse folks and many pastors know this, they use it to their own advantage or better still read many other translations. The rest, of #1-3, you got it RIGHT.

Lilimax:
I can't understand all these fuss and noise about tithing?
One thing is sure; Pay your tithe so that things will not be tight for you
Shalom!

That is slogan developed & crafted by Oyedepo. I used to be part of his business empire but since I stopped tithing and still giving, nothing has ever been tight for me. You don't wan't me boast do you?

asalimpo:
there's nothing like "covenant with the law"
a covenant is ratified by blood.
The isrealites operated under the abrahamic covenant. It simply treacled down. That's y a patrairch would bless a descendant,transferring the blessing (benefit) of the covenant to d descendant. It simply passed down.
Isreal was operating under these covenant . But God added additional elements governing the relationship with His people. This is the law.
The sacrifces under the law were for purposes like covering of sin , purifcation of the flesh of d sinner , commerating God's deliverance of His people from egyptian bondage etc.
With Jesus a new covenant is enacted superior and better than the old covenant but still with this new covenant the blessing of abraham (i,e the benefits of the covenant with abraham) isnt done away with. It is thru the new covenant tht the blessing of abraham comes on the gentiles.
And not tht abraham's covenant is governed by faith not rules and laws. Abraham tithed in faith.

So, is tithe part of Abrahamic covenant? Answer with scriptures please.

Well, I'm tired for today. I have to go prepare for work. I will continue hopefully tomorrow.

MostHigh:
Christ hater.

Paul lover.

Christ and Paul never contradicted each other. Paul built on Christ's teaching and he expanded it to revelations of the finished works of Christ. His letters are not mere inks\words, they are revelations!!! Dig Christ's word and Paul's message if you won't find revelations.

Bidam:
^^^ It is simple really and the issue is not what you are saying. I wonder why it is difficult for folks like you and Goshen to comprehend simple statements from scriptures. The law does not make us righteous before God.“For Christ is the termination of the Law (as Israel’s way of seeking to attain righteousness before God by doing its works) so that righteousness is (now) for all who believe (in the Christ whom God has raised from the dead and established as Lord).”

It means that God has brought an end to the futile attempt to attain righteousness with God by doing the works of the Law (Rom. 2:13; 3:19-
20; 7:7-12).

That verse says exactly what you interpreted it to be - attempting to keep the law for righteousness. So, we agree that the law keeping doesn't work for obtaining righteousness right. Okay. We move on, that's exactly what that verse says.

Bidam:
It does not mean that the Law has been abrogated or rendered totally useless like you and goshen are propagating. The Law is still valid as a way for Christians to live an upright and moral life in accord with God’s Spirit. Indeed, as Paul insisted previously, we do not nullify the Law
through faith, “on the contrary, we uphold the Law” (3:31).

Again, this is why we say you still teach "some part of the law" - moral & upright life. First, lemme ask you, why do you think you always need to law to tell you to live moral if you now have the Holy Spirit? You are saying exact opposite to what the Apostles taught - there's no moral code and upright living for Christians in the law, but in the Spirit of God. Joseph didn't have the law before he forbid to sleep with another man's wife. Does he? It seems to me, you don't know why the law was given to Israel in the first place. God never intended them to live by rules and regulations.

Now, let's test from scriptures this so called "moral and upright code":

In Romans 7, the Apostle began to talk about the Law and "some" was thinking he was referring to some part of the law just like you making distinctions. The Apostle made it clear in verse 7 that the Law is 10 commandments inclusive:

7 What then do we conclude? Is the Law identical with sin? Certainly not! Nevertheless, if it had not been for the Law, I should not have recognized sin or have known its meaning. [For instance] I would not have known about covetousness [would have had no consciousness of sin or sense of guilt] if the Law had not [repeatedly] said, You shall not covet and have an evil desire [for one thing and another].

Thou shall not covet is not ceremonial nor sacrificial law, is it? So, When you read down the verse, he said he was alive unto to God until the law came and revived sin in him because without the thou shall not, he is alive but when thou shall not covet (10 commandment) came, sin revived in him. What a mystery to 10 commandment keepers. What am I saying, a Christian doesn't need the moral code of 10 commandments to live upright, YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GUIDE YOU AND CONVICT YOU OF SIN according to the word.

Indeed, as Paul insisted previously, we do not nullify the Law through faith, “on the contrary, we uphold the Law”
I have waited for an opportunity to discuss this your favorite verse with you. First, we have to ask how do we uphold the law? By keeping\observing it or by believing what is written in the law? Paul believed what was written in the law but didn't keep the Mosaic neither taught keeping the law to Christians. The law is NOT of faith, how then do we uphold what is not of faith by faith? What he's saying is, we don't discard the law because of the way of faith but we uphold it by believing what was written in the law. Most times, that Paul teach from the Law, he uphold it by bring out the aforementioned of finished works of Christ that was foretold in the law. That's bring out the substance of faith out from the law as foretold and showing the revelation of the Christ that was written in the law to Christians. He can't be upholding the law by teaching us to keep\observe it and at the same time, telling us we are free from the law and we no longer have any relationship with it. Hence, the law is good, ONLY IF A MAN USES IT RIGHTLY so we can say, we uphold the law as law as it is used rightly even though we are of faith.

Bidam:
Those who have been made righteous by faith and have thus received the holy Spirit are now able to fulfill the requirements of the Law ( Rom 8:4), and by loving one another Christians fulfill the Law ( Rom13:8-10).

Thus, the law retains its role as a code of moral behavior, but loses its role as a way of attaining righteousness with God.[\b]

Again Bidam, you are teaching unApostolic teaching - there's no where we are taught to live the requirements of the law BY THE HOLY SPIRIT after we are made righteous. You need to slow down and learn some truth by yourself aside what you have been taught for years. On the contrary, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN MADE RIGHTEOUS ARE TO LIVE BY FAITH ARE TO LIVE ALSO BY FAITH SAME FAITH WITH WHICH THEY ARE MADE RIGHTEOUS.

[b]Romans 1:17, Amplified Bible (AMP)
For in the Gospel a righteousness which God ascribes is revealed, both springing from faith and leading to faith [disclosed through the way of faith that arouses to more faith]. As it is written, The man who through faith is just and upright shall live and shall live by faith.

New Living Translation
For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders.
1 Timothy 1:9

What you just said is complete dismissed in Galatians 3 and the verses above - returning to live the requirements of the law BY THE SPIRIT. Are you righteous in Christ? Do you kill your parents? Are you holy, do you commit murder? If you don't do none of these, why do you think you need the law? Clearly, if is not meant for those who don't do such things. So your statement up there is untrue!!!.

Also, don't always read into context like I've been saying but search of the truth of the meaning. When you read love one another, does that mean you are keeping the law? We don't love one another as a "condition" for God to love us back. We love one another because we have first being loved and from the bowels of this love of God towards us, we express it to others. So, when it says, Love is the fulfillment of the law. It means, the whole essence of the law was wrapped in love. If you love you don't have to worry about keeping the law in simple terms. It was in love that Joseph walked and this love is produced by God's Spirit in us just like I said, you can do something by the Spirit which is also stated in the law but you keep ascribing that thing to you fulfilling the law not knowing without the law, the Holy Spirit will still tell you no to do such wrong things. That's the law of love that is produced by the Spirit of God, not what is born out of our own efforts because as a matter of fact\truth, we can't truly love our neighbor as ourselves except by the Spirit of God.

[b]Thus, the law retains its role as a code of moral behavior, but loses its role as a way of attaining righteousness with God.[\b]

The law of Moses especially the 10 commandment as MORAL law loses both its code for moral behavior and attaining righteousness on Christians, replaced by the Spirit of God. When the Corinthians church was messed in all manners of sin that even unbelievers aren't doing, did Paul corrected their morality by the 10 commandment or by telling them, don't you know you're a new creature and that the Spirit of God now resides in you? You shouldn't be engaged in such immorality. He didn't import the 10 commandment to correct their moral behavior. Maybe the Spirit of God forgot to use the 10 commandment to correct moral behavior through Paul then. I just showed you in Romans 7:7, when the law is mentioned as regards Moses, the 10 commandments are inclusive, that is what you people called moral laws. Understand this, the 10 commandment wasn't in place before Joseph said, "how can I do such wickedness and sin against God?"

Bidam:
I am waiting for you eisegesis on the issue.

This scripture you quoted is lifted off context and has absolutely nothing whatsover to do with the Law. Christ did not say He hate the law, Goshen said that. The so called "babylon doctrine" in church is not whether bidam and others tithe but it's about peddling errors to our teenagers to indulge in premarital sex before they are lawfully wedded. Thanks.

1/ My expositions are based on when you bring up those scriptures that seems like Paul was still teaching obedience to "some part" of the law if he by the Spirit taught in Romans 7 that the whole law is what we are free from? When a man is free from prison, can such return to the prison and expect to live as a free man?

2/ What I teach on fornication is consistent with scriptures and I'm not ashame to teach it any time, anywhere. I have taught it and will teach it again, fornication is a sin to God and deadly sin for that matter BUT having sex with my fiancée is not regarded as part of the sin of fornication, neither by the Mosaic law or any Government law. Having sex with one's fiancée is different from whor.ing and we know the difference. The acts in the sin of fornication are clearly listed in scriptures and we can still discourse it here or you open a new thread again for us to discuss it. It can say what you want to say as per not sleeping with one's fiancée as moral right but it's scripturally wrong if we investigate the course.

Lemme ask you a question: If you read thou shall not commit fornication as you don't know what fornication is, where do you go and get the meanings\understand of it? Wisdom demands you go to where it was defined in the word and import the meaning into the text where you're reading thou shall not commit fornication. I have studied what I'm saying over and over again - when religion said fornication is sex outside of marriage. I heard Christ said, this sex outside marriage is going outside an existing marriage to have sex is what fornication meant, not how religion and religious people have expanded the meaning. There are also other meanings\acts in the sin of fornication that Paul listed, all these are what I also call fornication not the religious version.

MostHigh:
The bolded is a Goshen Smasher anyday.

2nd timothy 3

Give thanks for being so lucid.

The law retains moral code? and You run to comment? Aren't you people calling the 10 commandment moral law? I'm about to show you people from 2 or more scriptures that whole of Christian morality is not based on the fact that the 10 commandment said so..... Hang on a little....with me, you will learn something.....

Bidam:
Let's take tithing for instance because that's the real reason you had to open a thread to attack my liberty. There is NO SCRIPTURE that condemns tithing as a form of giving. There is liberty in Christ, people are free to express their givings in the form of tithes today. I won't be drawn into useless debates on this issue. My post is clear enough for anyone who is interested in my stand on the issue. And as for firstborn offerings, no where did i say that. The topic i opened was on child dedication, pls feel free to go through it, rather than the lies you peddle here. There was no where i advocated firstfruits for believers on this forum, pls you can also quote it, or we label you a LIAR here.

I didn't open this thread because of tithe and we both know it. You asked a question which you first attest to in your first response and I told you to open another thread so we don't derail the Midas thread and you insisted I answer on that thread. I told you it's not going to be easy talking that question on that thread but will be better on another thread and I asked you to open it or I will open it at my own time, which I did.

There is NO SCRIPTURE that condemns tithing as a form of giving....There is liberty in Christ, people are free to express their givings in the form of tithes today.

You've been taught lies and you never investigated it. Maybe you're sincerely wrong, only God can tell. Actually, there tithing is not a "form of giving" as long as it places a fixed % on such giving. This is what you need to understand. So, in truth, the NT scriptures such as 2 Corinthians 9:7 is an Apostolic truth that dismisses tithing (a fixed %) as a form of giving. If a man decides to give 10%, that okay. If a man decides to give 1, 2, 6, 15, 11 % of his income, that fine because every giving is always a certain % of one's income. BUT to teach that people should give BASED ON A FIXED % (10) is to make giving NOT AS A MAN PURPOSED IN HIS HEART ANYMORE. Preachers already fixed the percentage (10%) and leaves no room any more for the giver to purpose in his heart.

There's liberty in Christ but Christians are not truly liberated as regards this tithing....NOT AS A FORM OF GIVING. Remove the FIXED % of 10 and allow the man to decide what he gives and then it becomes true liberty in Christ. If you say give and set the rules as 10%, there's no more liberty for me to purpose in my heart. So, tithing is not a form of giving when rules\% is set or fixed.

As for firstborn & firstfruit offerings etc, you might not teach it here on this forum but many churches out there still does as you know it except you want to deny the truth and many more things from the law. Like I said, you still copied some e.g, tithing, child dedication according to the law....make I stop at those 2 until I catch you with more....

Bidam:
Thanks for opening this thread so i can expose you errors once and for all.

And what are those part of the Law bidam and others keep? The problem with you is that you keep making the same mistakes for so many years that i am tired of engaging you in worthless debates that consumes my time and that of others. I am wearied about your fixation on the law. You are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of Christ.

1. Well, whatever errors of mine, you can expose here or open another thread if it is not related to this topic and we will discuss it. Don't be afraid to call a brother out. This is an online discussion and we can communicate effectively.

2. You know the parts of the law you and others like Image123, Olaadegbu, Alwaystrue, Gombs, Mbaemeka etc advocate on this forum. Those parts are aspect of your divisions to the law - moral, ceremonial and sacrificial laws. There's no such things as such. When Paul the Apostle dismissed the law and nullified it as part of what is crucified with Christ, the 10 commandments that is called moral law was part of it and I CAN SHOW YOU THIS FROM SCRIPTURE. So, when he talked about the law, it is all inclusive what was given to Moses, not some. You even fought for child dedication according to the law and some other things I can specifically mention now. Even tithe, you guys are now hiding behind Abraham tithe but you still support your argument with the law verses of tithing so who is deceiving who?

My fixation with the law? It is contrary to the covenant of Grace in Christ. The apostles never taught it mixed with the finished works of Christ. It renders useless the finished works of Christ. It is the major cause of mixture and confusion in the body of Christ. We are freed from it and we shouldn't return to it. The law and its ordinances and commandments are not meant nor given to Christians in the first place, why must we take some and leave some? Finally, tearing down the law is building up the Grace of God in Christian living\relationship with God through Christ.

New Living Translation
Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.
Galatians 2:18

Amplified Bible (AMP)
For if I [or any others who have taught that the observance of the Law of Moses is not essential to being justified by God should now by word or practice teach or intimate that it is essential to] build up again what I tore down, I prove myself a transgressor.

Cheny:
You are among the few Who can discern the times. Keep it up as one with God is what counts,the multitude can't be relied upon in spiritual matters, just check history. Lest I 4get,stick to ur signature cos it is priceless.

Thanks brother!!! You're blessed in Christ.

Bidam:
It was really 2 simple questions i asked you on the midas thread and that is are christians obligated to keep the weightier matters of matters of the Law in Mathew 23:23 and why should Paul used the Law of Moses to encourage christians to support minister, but you went all round posting lies against me. God is watching you.

Welcome on board and please excuse my little absence. You know we don't work and live here on nairaland.

1. ^ The "weightier matters of the law" are in that context of Christ's statement was for those under the law. Christians do not need to do such things because the law said so. Christ made that statement in connection with the tithe as under the law, so you tithing according to the law, what Christ was saying, why still do you neglect weightier matters of the same law you tithing according to? Do you love, show mercy and judgment because the law said so or because the Spirit of God in YOU produce such fruit? Lemme show you you don't need the law to do such things:

New Living Translation
But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

Against such, there's no law. WOW!!! I don't run above the speed limits because the law against speeding said so, I don't speed because the Holy Spirit communicates the risk and danger to me and let me understand speed kills and also let me understand my family need me, I don't have to do stupid things and kill myself. This is revelation beyond the law. Now, when I obey the speed limit, am I obeying it because of the posted speed limit?

Hang in with me, you'll learn something if pride will not stop you anyway....

...and why should Paul used the Law of Moses to encourage Christians to support minister?

Paul, the Apostle here was saying this to address his audience who are still tied to the law. Like just in case, you want to look at it from the law aspect, doesn't the law say the same thing? He already established his case as an Apostle and even at that, he was still going to make it a freewill not coarse. Let's look at it:

New International Version
Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn't the Law say the same thing?
1 Corinthians 9:8

This statement was made in verse 8 of 1 Cor. 9, right? Now let's follow the context downward ...

New International Version
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.

New Living Translation
When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law. When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:20-21

In the same chapter, few verses below, the audience were made known to us. Paul himself said, he himself is not under the Jewish law but "be like" one. It doesn't make him a law keeper as he said he is a free man only bound to Christ. He "became like" that for a reason: to win the Jews from under the law to Grace of Christ which was same Christ did, to redeem those under the law. So, when you take that statement out of context, you think, just like you thinking and walking everywhere that Paul used the law or OT to justify suppose the ministers. A Christian is not supposed to be told to suppose his minister that teaches him\her well in the word, this are part of the fruit of the Spirit. Many times, you don't investigate any statement that seems to look contradictory but you just choose the one that appeals to your teaching and run with it. Learn to rightly divide the word and drop your own opinion.

asalimpo:
To those of u saying tithing is part of the law, dyu you dedicate children , things, or marry couples in your churches?
Because those things are OT and hence done away with in the NT.

Y drag things in the OT into a new covenant. The new covenant abrogates the old practices of the Old automatically, includng marraige!
Dyu quote OT verses like, "It is not good for man to be alone"
"for these reason shall a man leave his father and mother and ... "

it's only in money issues u know law!

There're more than 3 "covenant" in scriptures but mainly when we discuss, we refer to major 3. The Abrahamic covenant which tithe wasn't included in is an offshoot of the new covenant. The old covenant is of Israel compared to the new covenant of Christ. So, when we say old covenant, we're not refering to Genesis or covenant before the law but we're refering specifically to the covenant of the law with Israel - that covenant doesn't exist with the new covenant of Christ.

VenusBetty:
thank God a reasonable person is here, I'm not saying what the Church has done is right, I don't really know what happend, but we all should be mindful of what you say about Pastors. You didn't ordain them, God did. The bible say we should believe them, Christians beware o.

Every Christian is ordained ma and it's called "holy and set apart". The church has misled us for too long and we're standing to the truth of the gospel. There's no special ordinations and no special calling in Christ, but each one is "sent" to an assignment in the body, not ordained.

Well done @ PastorKun and other soldiers in Christ, fighting the good fight of faith. We have heard so many lies from the advocates of tithe.

vooks:
Excellent.
Now, walk me through why anybody is entitled to collect tithes over the others in the body of Christ seeing ALL are priests. Can I collect your tithes? Can you collect mine?

I'm waiting for an answer...maybe it still has to be taken to the Melchi's storehouse.....confusion galore. Someone must be using "Melchi's example" in disguise to collect tithe according to the law