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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 5:03pm On Jan 04, 2015

God2man:
Normally, they won't mention the church ,

old recycled thread.

God2man.

You mean you don't know many churches preaching this first fruit scam? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 5:02pm On Jan 04, 2015

sexyseun:
Lets assume we drop our "FIRST FRUIT" is there Second fruit and third fruit and so on, i mean like every year as the MOG says? Already am so broke and i dunno how am going to cope for the rest of the Month, now if i now finally suffer my way out of this month, so you want me to now go and drop ALL the salary for one Pastor? How am i going to cope throughout the month of February again

You guys just enjoy people living in penury

You cope by FAITH.....not by your sense..... grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 5:00pm On Jan 04, 2015

nannymcphee:
Let me add this

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But AFTER that faith is come, we are NO longer UNDER a schoolmaster(which is the law)

It's written in black & white, we are no longer under the LAW

I have never seen a woman so sound in the word as you. Blessed art thou among this generation of women for YOU will birth Christ...in this context, you will reveal Christ & Him Crucified.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 4:57pm On Jan 04, 2015

shdemidemi:
@GOSHEN

your friend has made up his mind to distort the message Christ. He now confesses that obatala, amadioha, esuodara are all one and the same with ELOHIM. All that concerns him at the minute is discrediting the bible and at the same time throw a lot of confusion around as to why the bible should be thrown out. He is on a quest to foster his beliefs on the forum.

I think he likes you, seemingly because you have been a comrade he used when he was discrediting wolves in sheep clothing within the church. He has since moved from there, I don't think he needs you for his new cause. I think he will eventually oblige you at some point but be ready for what is to hit you, it might not be pleasant.

I know what you saying and I know how to handle frosbel better....not a hard way though because if a man has decided already in his mind the way he wants to go, it might be hard sometimes to restrain him especially for people like our brother frosbel when he had tasted the heavenly gifts of God.

One thing frosbel refused to understand is, he is on a quest for more knowledge of scriptures, which scripture says, Gentiles seek knowledge but he, frosbel discredit some people as regards their acts or wrong teachings\errors in the body but pitch tent with worst people thinking these people has the better knowledge. One needs to be careful the source he drinks from. That's why I don't personally drink from one source of website except from the word neither do I take "special" interest in idolizing a particular man of God to the point that when such man errs, I won't know and I don't drink from too many source either because it tends to mixture or confusion or babylon. I don't study to show myself approved unto God through\via a man of God but slowly and sure by the Spirit.

This is what I want to let our brother see in the end. There's no confusion in God's word but the reason why we disagree and argue so much is because we want to believe what we want to and it looks like everyone is quoting same bible but saying different things. Another thing is our (not God's word) inability to reconcile what seems like contradictions and especially, following context because same word (such as virgin, hell etc) can be used to mean different things in a context but someone will pick one side and run with it and make a doctrine out of it. We need to get the big picture and rightly divide the word.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 4:34pm On Jan 04, 2015

The law and every ordinances (the tabernacle, tithe & first fruit inclusive) commanded are not the mind of God but a shadow of Christ & His finished works for the new covenant of which Christ is a Mediator.

New International Version
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:1

So, first fruit? Christ already fulfilled the first fruit as a foreshadow. He had given the perfect first fruit offering unto God for believers. This is 2015, those who want to allow themselves to be defrauded can continue and those who want continue in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free, we continue.

King James Bible
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:23

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 3:53pm On Jan 04, 2015

^ ^ ^

frosbel:
Goshen I dey come ooo, I am having to educate so many ~~baby~~ bible scholars this evening ( NOT YOU of course ) , this space reserved................

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 3:52pm On Jan 04, 2015

Goshen360:
I read you and BabaG, discoursing the Isaiah verse but I wasn't much into that discussion. However, my question on the basis of which you deny the virgin birth is this scripture:

New International Version
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

New Living Translation
Mary asked the angel, "But how can this happen? I am a virgin."

English Standard Version
And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

New American Standard Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"

King James Bible
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?"

International Standard Version
Mary asked the angel, "How can this happen, since I have not had relations with a man?"

NET Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I have not had sex.ual relations with a man?"

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Maryam said to the Angel, “How will this be, for no man has known me?”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be? I've never had sex.ual inter.course."

Jubilee Bible 2000
Then Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

King James 2000 Bible
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

American King James Version
Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

American Standard Version
And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Douay-Rheims Bible
And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?

Darby Bible Translation
But Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, since I know not a man?

English Revised Version
And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Webster's Bible Translation
Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Weymouth New Testament
"How can this be," Mary replied, "seeing that I have no husband?"

World English Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, seeing I am a virgin?"

Young's Literal Translation
And Mary said unto the messenger, 'How shall this be, seeing a husband I do not know?'

Luke 1:34

In the Greek, virgin carries two meanings but the context tells which meaning is implied. The context here says, Mary is a virgin in the sense that, he had not tasted Joseph but you said, Joseph is the father of Christ. Or better still, why do you deny the virgin birth in the face of this scripture?

Christianity Etc › Re: Tunde Bakare Tells Worshippers They Will Die If They Don’t Give God Money! by Goshen360(m): 3:49pm On Jan 04, 2015

I listened to the new year eve message and I didn't hear anything related to this news in the OP.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:34am On Jan 03, 2015

@ Frosbel, kindly hint me when you provide answer to the question so I can follow up. I need go off to prepare for work now.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:27am On Jan 03, 2015

MostHigh:
Wetin concern you with sabbath.

Chief scoffers.

I have found my Sabbath in Christ and I'm truly resting in the finished works of my Master. Na wetin concern me and sabbath be that....lo ba tan... grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:25am On Jan 03, 2015

Bidam:
Goshen no go kill peson with laff o..wetin be bible giant AGAIN? Everyone here is a bible student.

Oh sorri sir, I forgot to add your name.....please forgive me..... grin

I read where some folks messing with you my brother.....about brain or no brain.....that thread funny die...... grin

. I just catching some fun this evening before I go work, night shift..... grin

. I know say nobody knows it all, we're all learning...efen me self, I'm learning new things but not new to some....believe me, the word of God is an ocean of wealth of revelations, no man can exhaust the unmeasurable wealth in scriptures.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:21am On Jan 03, 2015

shdemidemi:
You now know how to deal with the troll.

^^^

. I know you're long done with the trolls..... grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Buhari And The Born Again Christian by Goshen360(m): 12:17am On Jan 03, 2015

^ ^ ^

Many Christians need to begin to look at scriptures in word meaning and as used in context. For many years, religion and institutionalized church had taught me wrongly on what 2 Corinthians 6:14 meant until I looked it up by myself. So what's that scripture saying, who is an unbeliever?

The word unbeliever is the Greek word, apistos and it means:

unfaithful, faithless, (not to be trusted, perfidious); incredible; of things: unbelieving, incredulous; without trust (in God).

So, we can understand that even a professing (not a possessed) Christian can be unfaithful or faithless....in a thing or in God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:07am On Jan 03, 2015

MostHigh:
3 bible giants.

what difference between you and the pastors you constantly profane

Very narcisstic fellow, Na your desciples I pity.

Jokers.

Abeg leave mata for matter lol. You taking jokes very serious......na online thing, remember and we are here to feast on with frosbel..... grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:05am On Jan 03, 2015

frosbel:
Bible Giants,

I go die oooooooooo

Leave story joor.....it's an evening dining with Frosbel..... grin

. We're all gathered to ~~feast~~ on you.... grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:03am On Jan 03, 2015

MostHigh:
Flawed.

If I remember correctly he asked if it was wrong to do good on the sabbath.

No where did he advice us to abstain or profane, this is all a creation of the mind of antichrist. The children of lawlessness.

Goshen360 be fighting Christ daily.

Oh, I said I know your answers already but what does the law say about the Sabbath? grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 12:01am On Jan 03, 2015

shdemidemi:
And that is exactly what we have been doing so far. The guy needs help. I hope he does not end up in Islam with the way he is going, he will be worse than shekau.

Okay. You and vooks and Gnoni are doing good job, I must commend you guys but na time I no get to join well in the discussion. I think frosbel should have a rethink especially when 3 bible giants are telling him the same thing on same issue. He's looking at a subject from one perspective instead of of the whole. Good job to you guys anyway.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:57pm On Jan 02, 2015

Bidam:
False accuser. You still haven't gotten over the way you talk with me abi? Show me where i insulted anyone here. Issues like this aren't treated with kid 'n' gloves approach. Thank God for folks like shdemidemi and vooks who even though we disagree sometimes are not sentimental in their approach to ask questions and hit him with the truth even if it is as hard as nails. No one is going to show pity to him unless he repents of all the utter nonsense he utters on this forum. The bitter truth is he has led many astray including the Op who was on a fact finding mission concerning what he believes.

Aramaic Bible
And when they repent, show pity upon them with respect, while you hate also the tunic that is defiled by the flesh.Jude 1:23

I know S'demi and vooks are doing a good job with frosbel since but let's be honest, go through the thread except with BabaG, it's all being throwing one abuse or the other, even frosbel too. So it's like nobody want to listen to nobody. I'm just using another approach, that's all.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:53pm On Jan 02, 2015

MostHigh:
Keep it because Christ and all after him kept it simple.

But seeing that you don't need Christ but download directly from God this is all a waste of breath.

Lawless children of the Lawless man

Talk the talk but can't walk the walk.

Jokers

And Jesus flawed the Sabbath but never sinned? grin

Abi you're ignorant of the law regulating the sabbath? Oh, I know your answer already..... grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:43pm On Jan 02, 2015

shdemidemi:
I don't think the guy's problem is about topics in the bible, he simply does not believe the entire bible so he lurks behind a charade to attack biblical doctrines.

Let us who correct an erring brother do so in patience and humility, knowing we also have a Master that is patient with us. I don't agree with frosbel on some or most of his new stuff but let's correct gently.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:40pm On Jan 02, 2015

^ ^ ^ I have asked my question bro.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:38pm On Jan 02, 2015

haibe:
The last time I met someone as funny as you was last year So because I tell you I serve one God, the creator of the universe it means I deny God in the flesh? I hope I won't have to go through a more ignorant post this year

Back to our discussion, why should I keep the law when you yourself cannot keep it? When it the reason we realise we can't meet up to its standard of righteousness and therefore need a saviour?

^ ^ ^

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:36pm On Jan 02, 2015

Bidam:
Good observation. It is taking Goshen aeons of ages to accept this reality.Shame on him really.

Abeg shut up joor....Frosbel is still my brother just like you. So, bible tell you to aggressively correct an erring brother? Calm down, it's a new year. There's difference between my approach and yours. Why you can't correct someone without name calling. You think you're doing God a favour or what? grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:31pm On Jan 02, 2015

frosbel:
Of course my mentor, friend and brother

Bidam will soon be here to accuse you of associating with a heretic , lol.

Oya ask

I read you and BabaG, discoursing the Isaiah verse but I wasn't much into that discussion. However, my question on the basis of which you deny the virgin birth is this scripture:

New International Version
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

New Living Translation
Mary asked the angel, "But how can this happen? I am a virgin."

English Standard Version
And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

New American Standard Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"

King James Bible
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?"

International Standard Version
Mary asked the angel, "How can this happen, since I have not had relations with a man?"

NET Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I have not had sex.ual relations with a man?"

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Maryam said to the Angel, “How will this be, for no man has known me?”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be? I've never had sex.ual inter.course."

Jubilee Bible 2000
Then Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

King James 2000 Bible
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

American King James Version
Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

American Standard Version
And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Douay-Rheims Bible
And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?

Darby Bible Translation
But Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, since I know not a man?

English Revised Version
And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Webster's Bible Translation
Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Weymouth New Testament
"How can this be," Mary replied, "seeing that I have no husband?"

World English Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, seeing I am a virgin?"

Young's Literal Translation
And Mary said unto the messenger, 'How shall this be, seeing a husband I do not know?'

Luke 1:34

In the Greek, virgin carries two meanings but the context tells which meaning is implied. The context here says, Mary is a virgin in the sense that, he had not tasted Joseph but you said, Joseph is the father of Christ. Or better still, why do you deny the virgin birth in the face of this scripture?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:19pm On Jan 02, 2015

Frosbel, can I ask you a question about the virgin birth here?

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 11:14pm On Jan 02, 2015

GooseBaba:
Why should the truth be hidden in the first place. Is it a game..?

I guess when pastors are busy making up stuff, they are simply looking for the truth..

Ominimpotent still hiding things in the year 2015.. Smh

It's being revealed since, long ago just that when certain truth are taught, it was taught in relative to the appointed time. Hebrews 1:1

Christianity Etc › Re: Buhari And The Born Again Christian by Goshen360(m): 11:10pm On Jan 02, 2015

Good job brother.

I'm just tired of the religious interpretation of scripture. Who's an unbeliever by the way? Is it who the institionalized church interpreted it to mean or who the word said? People don't know someone who attend church can also be an unbeliever.

Nigeria is in ruin if we continue to leave it in the hands of pdp. Time for change is now! !!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do "Born Again" Christians Still Commit Sin? by Goshen360(m): 8:07pm On Jan 02, 2015

starlingleanets:
Hell No! To ur hypothesis of no substantial proof in d scripture. Jesus lives in this flesh and was sinless!!! Its better not to talk than to say something that will accuse u on the Last day.

1. Do you think the divine nature in Christ is the same as divine nature in us even though we both live in the flesh?
2. Since you became a Christian, and you are of divine nature, have you sinned? Did you sin today and will you sin tomorrow?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 7:59pm On Jan 02, 2015

MostHigh:
Proudly lawless.

New American Standard Bible
realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers.

If Israel had not be guilty of the above acts.....she will never had been given the law you advocate today.....think about that....Joker Super!!!

grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 7:50pm On Jan 02, 2015

MostHigh:
Wherever you have sin then there must be the Law.

Are you fighting the laws of the most high God just so you can institute yours?

You will eventually fail woefully.

Super Joker!!! I'm not in any way instituting mine but it is you, who still pitch your tend on Sinai, while God had move to the new Tabernacle... grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do "Born Again" Christians Still Commit Sin? by Goshen360(m): 7:28pm On Jan 02, 2015

The reason Christians still sin is simple - we still carry the residue of the old nature, that is, the flesh in our human nature.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Moses Actually Part The Red Sea ? What Is He Some Kinda Magician ? by Goshen360(m): 7:24pm On Jan 02, 2015

^ ^ ^ You don come back camouflaging again this new year? grin

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