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christemmbassey:
no sir we are christians bc of Abraham's faith, the death of Jesus alone is not enough, we must appropriate Abraham's faith if we must av salvation. Infact we became christians bc Abraham was preach to us and we believed. We pass tro Abraham to God afterall Jesus na son of David son of Abraham.

Thou man of God, thou makest me laugh in 3D.

I'm Goshen360 and I endorse every gospel truth of the OP.

Bidam:
No, you should learn to think before typing slowly. Take your advice.

Young man, I type fast naturally so typo error will always occur. Go siddon somewhere joor.

Omexonomy:
if we dont start shouting and pointing them out now it will continue to grow like most pentecostal churches

Sure, we're shouting and kicking against it already. You must also understand that these falsehood had already eaten deep into the system and it will also take some time to clean up.

Bidam:
Abraham is your faith? hmmn another scriptural blunder.SMH! Anyway goodluck with that.

That's why you should use your common sense. You should know by context I meant to type "Abraham is only my father as regards example of faith. Again, learn to be slow to typing and think more.

6. Adoption: We are adopted in God's family and become God's children. We were once strangers but in Christ, we become God's children. Ephesians 1:5, 2:12-13.

7. Raised with Christ: Ephesians 2:6 says we are raised with Christ to sit in heavenly places. You talked about going to heaven, you're already there in Christ.

8. We walk in the Love not fear of our Father. Ephesians 3:12. We approach our Father in boldness and confidence, no more in fear of punishment or of our wrong doings. God has not given us the spirit of fear.

9. Complete in Christ. Col. 2:10. Many are looking for addition from various sources. Some bath in rivers and 4 junctions just to add one or two things to themselves in life. We have to come to God by faith, knowing we are complete in Christ. As a new creation, all things that pertains to life and godliness are created with your new man.

10. Members of Christ's body - The Church. Ephesians 5:29-30.

Bidam:
Do you want us to discuss a yet to be fulfilled prophecy in Isaiah, or you want to go round chasing wind?

Go ahead and open another thread for that and stop derailing this one.

Bidam:
Does the Isaiah scripture applies to you?

NO!!! Because I have a better covenant in Christ. Why should I hold to the lesser?

Bidam:
Babylonians have their issue, i believe i am speaking to a christian brother who has a brotherhood in common with all believers worldwide not to a carnal babe. Does the Isaiah scripture applies to you?

You're still stubborn.....maybe by faith.

Isaiah scripture was a shadow and wasn't talking to me. He cannot be telling me to look unto Abraham and while Hebrews is telling me to look unto Christ. Which one make I look naw?

Bidam:
Abraham is not your mate neither is he your brother. Is Abraham your father by Faith?

Abraham is only my faith as regards example of faith. Nothing more, nothing less. What has mate got to do with me and Abraham? In fact, I'm better than Abraham in Christ. Do you agree with that?

Those who have come to Christ have great inheritance which they never worked to earn. It's a free gift of God that comes with the salvation package. Many Christians do not know nor understand their right, privileges and inheritance in Christ. You are in Christ and whatever is of Christ becomes you inheritance by your virtue of being in Christ. The title of this thread was taken and will be explored from two scriptures: Acts 26:18 & 20:32. Your inheritance in Christ speaks of the part(s) of privileges and hereditary benefits which one will have in eternal salvation in Christ. These are the results of the finished works of Christ in our redemption. So, what are our inheritance in Christ?

1. Justification: We who are in Christ are declared righteous and justified. We weren't declared righteous by our good works but by faith in the finished works of Christ and by being in Christ. How shall we then think we can keep our justification by works? Our works (before justification) played no role in our justification, so also it doesn't play role in keeping our justification. Romans 3:24.

2. No Condemnation: There's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1. Condemnation is against the finished works of redemption.

3. Sanctification: We are made holy and pure in Christ. Many people preach and teach holiness as a separate thing to be done but scripture teaches, we are holy and pure in Christ. That's our sanctification, we're set apart unto God. 1 Cor. 1:2, 30

4. Blessed in Christ: All spiritual blessings are deposited in us by being in Christ. Ephesians 1:3. Many Christians are still seeking blessings but don't know they're already blessed in Christ. Buying a new car, new house, acquiring good things etc is not the blessing but the result(s) of the already blessings that was available.

5. Forgiveness of sins: In Christ, our sins: past, present and future are forgiven. Ephesians 1:7. Many Christians thinks God is going to punish them for sins that was already punished on Christ. This is contrary to the richness of God's Grace as it will mean double punishment or double payment for sins. Christ paid for and was punished for the sins he didn't commit so you can get the righteousness and justification you didn't deserve. This is not to mean a person can continue to abuse God's Grace to continue to make a practice of sin but to appreciate the finished works of Christ and be grateful to God he\she didn't get the punishment deserved and use that opportunity to learn and live better for God.

vooks:
There is an obsession with outing monikers. For the record am no Naija man. Anyone who can figure me out gets $2,500

In USD or ....

I agree with the OP but I also believe, with time, things will change. When falsehood had been sold for too long to people, they no longer believe the truth when it's preached unto them. They will call falsehood truth and truth falsehood. God is raising men, new breed without greed to clean up the household of faith.

christemmbassey:
ah ah ah ah ah ah ah, Oga Gosh, u no go kill me with lauhh o, what a calamity, enrol to read medicine, but attends Yoruba lectures and hoping to become a medical doctor, ette mi e e e e, **in mama Pavience voice** dieris God o!

... Big brother, I kid you not, there's such much in me I'm yet to teach out. It's time consuming. I will share another bullet of scripture to you again.

King James Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

I used to be a KJV only in the past but no more. Because, these pastors knows most KJV English is confusing....maybe that part of Bidam's confusion. . That verse is not talking about Jesus our Lord but Joshua because both names mean the same in the Hebrew tongue. Other translations agree to the context it was talking about Joshua, not Jesus our Lord.

^ ^ ^ Can I share a verse with you before you sleep.....

christemmbassey:
to compare OT and NT is like comparring water tank with ocean. OMG!

You have the right words to describe these things. It's like someone who came to a university (coming to Christ) to study Medicine (fullness of Christ in the NT) and he left his course of study and while enrolled in Medicine, he's studying (Linguistics) or studying Yoruba or Spanish. You can conclude what kind of argument such person will continue with those who had stayed in their course of studying.

christemmbassey:
and d bible says..... We are blessed WITH the faithful Abraham and DID NOT SAY ' BECAUSE OF' the faithful Abraham. What is dif for folks like Bidam to undastand here? I wonder!!!

He doesn't pay attention to tenses....which is part of good understanding. . Just like scripture says we are blessED in Christ and someone still teaching us to pay tithe in order to be bless. Or when we're deliverED through the finished works of Christ and someone teaching us to attend some mountain of fire for deliverance. Which one is better? . Like you always say, we have greater work to do in the church than outside.

christemmbassey:
don't blame Bidam, his islamic background is his problem. You know islam is modified judaism. Again, d OT was too too beautiful dat some are like '' a bird in hand(OT) worth more than two in d bush(NT) bc d can't fathom d reality of d NT, it is 'bush' to them, so this tendency of '' make i manage d one wey i see'?. A blessed sunday to u bro!

Big brother, there's wealth of revelation in the NT I kid you know. That's why, it's an inexhaustible wealth of revelation. People haven't tapped much into it and they are digging into the OT that wasn't even meant for their application.

christemmbassey:
certainly NOT but. ''Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith........'' does, folks like you think d bible is complicated n contradictory when u blatantly refuse to rightly divide d word....

Next time you talk to Bidam, ask him....can he be looking at his phone and at the same time be looking towards his driving path? Since he is quoting looking unto Abraham applies to Christians. SMH

Bidam:
Ermmm, i beg to differ sir, you are the guy acting daft and dumb here and i will prove it shortly.Compare this red statement with what you said below.
Are you telling us they are the same thing? Anyway i forgive you even though you falsely accused me and call me a liar and a daft fellow, that shows the kind of foul tongue you have which is the evidence of a deeper spiritual disease.

You're still saying the same thing without any difference. I used "oppressed" in a sense of "Possessed" (dwelling). Learn to understand proper English construction in context Bidam. Read the sentence again and this time, without bias. I don't care about your forgiveness anyway.

Looking from scriptures, I DO NOT think a 'Christian' can be OPPRESSED in a sense of evil spirit DWELLING IN THE BODY OR SOUL.

If you don't understand simple English like this, I wonder what you claim to understand about scriptures without misinterpreting it.

christemmbassey:
Sarah did NOT 'born' me(not my mother ) therefor Abraham IS NOT MY FATHER! I have natural father aka earthly father, Mr Bassey. I have God as my father who is in heaven, my creator. But for Abraham, the only thing that connects us is faith. Abraham has NOT DONE ANYTHING FOR ME, HIS FAITH IN GOD DID NOT SAVE ME, WHAT SAVED ME, IS MY FAITH IN THE SON OF GOD. Jn 3:16, 1jn 5:9-12. Remain blessed .

^ ^ ^ The above highlight truth is what Bidam refused to understand. That's why he (Abraham) was called father of THEM WHO ARE OF FAITH. I can't understand how someone like Bidam will still be reading these stuffs but still can't understand if not that they just want to argue blindly.

^ ^ ^ Leave Bidam alone to continue in his Babylon. He was quoting "look unto Abraham your father" and also scripture speaks to Christians to look unto Christ. Can one be looking unto Christ and at the same time be looking unto Abraham. I see Mark explaining to him that that verse was speaking to the national Israel which Abraham was their father.

christemmbassey:
Abraham is considered the father of christians ONLY IN D SENSE DAT Adam Smith is the father of economists!

...but Adam Smith had his natural or biological children. ....

***for clarification to Bidam****

Bidam:
With all pleasure.
I demand you apologize for calling me a liar.

Bidam, again I asked you as I have asked you in the past, what's your level of education? Are you so daft and this dumb you can't comprehend a complete English sentence? Read the sentence in full and understand my context, not just the way you lifting verses out of scripture context. The sentence you quoted is as clear as day light, even an elementary school child can understand what was said.

....that a christain can be oppressed IN A SENSE OF EVIL SPIRIT DWELLING IN HIM.

Bidam:
No i no gree dis wuruwuru reasoning. Ishmael is of the flesh... Isaac is of the promise..both Jews and gentiles are one since the wall of hostilities is broken when Jesus died. So which one do you belong to..Ishmael or Isaac?

SMH literally! !!

Bidam:
Hmmmn, even self acclaimed Christians like Goshen360, shdemidemi do not believe a christian can be oppressed by demonic entities. I have argued with them tire on this forum. Especially shdemidemi who is afraid of casting out devils.

Lastchild this does not come out but by serious prayers and fasting. Mountain of fire can help you to be disciplined in this area.

What NONSENSE are you talking about? You mean I'm "self acclaimed" christian because I don't believe a christain can be POSSESSED BY DEMONS? Are you okay? Stop mentioning me when you have no proof of what you saying and if at all you don't understand anything I say, just ask instead of this your stupid conclusion.

BTW, where in the world did a say a christain cannot be OPPRESSED OR HARASSED? Show me the thread or forever remain a liar.

Bidam:
I disagree. God is ONE in three persons. So Abraham had to share himself into two abi? Care to explain hw you came about your two fold proposition?

So also Abraham is ONE but in 2 fatherhood - father of the JEWISH PEOPLE and father of them who are of faith.

So when you asked,

Bidam:
Is Abraham your father? yes or no?

Which fatherhood of Abraham are you referring to?

Bidam:
How? Is God also a TWO FOLD God in scriptures?

No, God is MORE...God is Trinity. You disagree?

Bidam:
Is Abraham your father? yes or no?

Which "fatherhood" of Abraham are you asking after? Because the last time I checked in scriptures, Abraham is a TWO FOLD father in scriptures.