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KingSatan:
For this insult, you will labour in pains and suffering.


I said it and the elements of the earth bear me witness.

Lol you should find your way to stand up comedy, you will do better things for yourself than this child play you’re doing.

Where you go all this while, don’t you have money for mb or your phone spoil. Devil wey Dey buy mb using infinix phone, spending Nigeria currency, that one na devil or mumu

The next dedication will be OUR UNIVERSITY and PRIVATE JET. somebody shout hallelujah

EVILFOREST:
You have a POINT.
Because with the way NIGERIAN PASTORS are investing they may want to negotiate with GOD to forgo his second coming, since that will wreck them. Promising GOD that they will conduct the rapture themselves.

Bro if you're the one constructing million $$ project and you are still planning to do more, most especially if you're targeting to buy the latest bombardier small private jet. Will you ever agree for Jesus to come. Bro if na play make you stop am oo, make Jesus still dey build those mansion for heaven

Hundredfold4lif:
HOLD YOUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE!!!
YOU CAN'T REAP WHERE YOU HAVEN'T SOWN. LOOK AT THE DIRECTION OF YOUR CHURCH AND NOT SOMEONE ELSE'S FELLOWSHIP CENTRE. WORSHIPPERS AT DUNAMIS BUILT A BIGGER PLACE TO RECEIVE AND MENTOR THOSE THE KINGDOM OF SATAN HAS LOST. UNFORTUNATELY ENEMIES OF THE CHURCH WILL CONTINUE TO LOOSE FOREVER AND EVER!!!

Oh yes brother in the lord....The next project would be OUR UNIVERSITY, and soon we will buy daddy one SMALL PRIVATE JET. So he can fly everywhere because using car can be tiresome because of a lot of ministerial works. God is good.

EVILFOREST:
They ask you to lay up your treasures in heaven.
They ask members to maintain “Vanity upon Vanity mode”

Yet you see these same PASTORS relocating to “PERMANENT SITES”
Yet you see them erecting EDIFICES.
What an Irony.
They have rendered most youths mentally lazy and redundant.
Most Youths just reason “FELLOWSHIPS and SEEDS “ nothing else. Yet they act unchrist-like.

No technological advancement

Don't mind their zombie follower. Sometimes I ask myself if this money focused pastor would be ready for rapture if Jesus should come. If they can have their way they will negotiate with Jesus not to come now... Because they can't let go their multi-million $ projects. Watch out for the next project (UNIVERSITY AND PRIVATE JET)

Even the real Israelite the bible talked about is a learner for where Nigerian Christians dey, hypocrite everywhere.

Brundaha, senterobo. Ride on Daddy in the Lord! Daddy freeze haven't seen nothing. Next project on daddy's list will be construction of world class University after that daddy will get himself a small private jet just to fly around. Somebody shout Hallelujay

Failed country! How can someone earning 30,000 make it in his/her life? Such person will live all his/her live in poverty, no dream of having a house of his/her own or not even a nice car. If care is not taken this country will useless your life and you begin to wonder if what's happening to you is spiritual(witches and wizard at work), but it's not spiritual(No witches or wizard anywhere) it's because Nigeria is design to fail.

If you were born during the 80's, ask yourself have you ever witness 24hours uninterrupted power supply since you were born? For those of you who already have kids, now your kids are witnessing that. As small as Benin and Togo is as a country, they enjoy 24/7 uninterrupted power supply, good pipe-borne water.

When will this useless country called Nigeria ever get better? Don't deceive yourself if you have the opportunity, I say again if you have the opportunity give your unborn child and child the chance of another nationality better than Nigeria. That's the greatest gift you can ever give to your kids/unborn child.

Even the so called Elite do that, they make sure their kids have another nationality of a better country. A word is a enough for the wise. If you know you know.

Religion has always been a tool for separation. It create the perception of "We" and "Them"

The easier way to create enemy or dissolution among families is by using religion as a tool. It works like Magic. A close friend of mine marriage failed because of religion(The wife was an extremist and she lost all she had built because of religion and end up back living in her father's house after 2kids)

Religion is a tool of controlling mind, and creating separation. Imagine this ones are even Christian to Christian, separation among Christendom.

That's what happen if you don't attend the most popular Christian churches like Redeem,Living faith, House on the Rock, Christ Embassy etc. Once you're a member from this churches Cac,Cele,C&S Catholic, Angelican You're not a Christian according to Fanatic who worship DADDY G.0 and PAPA

She is now a wailer.

popeshemoo:
for the records.. let me state that i am a christian too
and just like our soldiers ... our diverging beliefs , churches , mosques or even prayers would not shield us if this insurgence goes un checked ...
but do you know who will be safe?
the politicians in their bulletproof cars and "over equipped security details" and ofcourse the religious leaders in their private jets and well secured mansions.
the problem with nigerians as a whole is that we see to forget that we are always at the loosing end
someone said that the pastors have builts schools and what not .. yet their children are sent abroad for studies and vacations
tell me .
..
why would a politician whose children are not even a part of the economy be bothered about fixing the country?

Only those who lost their love ones at the nyanya bomb blast can tell, politicians sons and daughters aren't there. I couldn't agree with you more. Pastors goes everywhere with high security men, their kids lives in abroad. Nigerian government is getting useless everyday and failing her citizen. Even the church is not helping the situation, competition of the highest auditorium seater is their concern.

Sometimes I asked myself, if all these pastors are truly ready for rapture if Jesus should come today with all these multi million$ project erected. If they could have their way to know the date when Jesus will come i'm sure they will negotiate with him to postpone his coming. It won't be easy for them to let go the Private jet parked at the hanger, Universities etc. Indeed Jesus is coming soon.

Even the real Israelite the Bible talked about is a learner. Soon daddy will have 1million seater. Hurray!!! The next project on daddy’s list will be University, and soon daddy will be eying for private jet too. Wow Sombody shout hallelujah. Church is moving

Failed country. Indeed there was a country!

They are only for their personal interests. And one mumu will be fighting over politicians that doesn’t care about their wellbeing

Holy killing in holy land of Saudi Arabia. Holy land indeed. No wonder devil reside there they always throw stone to devil yet the devil still tanda gidigba.

World-religion= Peace reign
World+religion= No peace

Mobilia:
I'm not a Bible scholar, however I'd like to contribute to your thread.
No, Judas was not "predestined" to betray Jesus in the sense that Christ was the reason behind Judas' actions.
Now Judas was predestined (in the sense) that he-Judas made the decision to betray Christ.
So of course, history records that grievous act that led to Christ' crucifixion.
That's what Judas will be forever associated with...
It was not God's will for Judas to be eternally lost.
2 Peter 3:8 KJV
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But Judas made that choice...and God already foresaw it.

I think when you look at the word "predestined", in terms of God, it simply means that He already knew and will forever know each and every single person's destiny on this earth.
Omniscient (meaning knowing everything) would apply to God.
Just because He already knows what will be our ultimate destinies, doesn't mean that humans don't have choices.
Judas had a choice on whether he wanted to betray Christ for some coins. Jacob had a choice on whether or not he would deceive his father in order to get the treasured birthright. David chose whether or not to sleep with Bathsheba (knowing she was someone's else wife).
Solomon chose whether or not he would sleep with Delilah and ultimately give his secret away to her.
Choices have consequences...be them positive or negative.
Jacob was then called Israel because he acknowledged his sins and repented. Likewise David, Abraham, Solomon, Samson etc,
Judas did not acknowledge nor did he repent from what he had done. Likewise King Saul and some others.
If God has predestined for some of us to lose our salvation, then He wouldn't tell us repeatedly to "overcome" all throughout Revelation...
Revelation 3:5, 12, 18, 21 (just to name a few scriptures).
That signifies a "choice".
In practical terms, you have had no choice on being born black, a male, and born in Nigeria etc.
But you do have a choice on whether you "stay" in Nigeria or migrate elsewhere.
Whatever impact you make or calling you answer, can be in Nigeria or elsewhere, BUT whatever it is, you have been "pre-destined" in the sense that it will be because of your choice.
Hope I've made some sense.

Special Note:
We must always remember that the Bible interprets itself. I totally understand why some scriptures seem to contradict one another. It sometimes seems as if God is speaking double-mindedly. But I can assure you that He is not. He is a perfect and infallible Creator of this entire universe and has made no mistakes. The problem is that we, finite humans, cannot quite understand it all perfectly.
So regardless of what all of us Christians or non-Christians, believe, the truth will always emerge.
None of us knows it all just yet. We will continually need to pray and study the scriptures. Cause there's so, so much in them.

There can't be all of these multiple interpretations for scripture passages. God never intended to have all of this confusion, chaos and havoc within Christianity...but unfortunately it's here...
Someone's right and someone's wrong.
The only way to do that is to fervently pray for the Holy Spirit to give you the one, "correct" truth.

That’s was quite insightful, thanks and God bless you.

majamajic:
for me it's unfair for Judas, he was programmed to sell Christ.

I couldn't agree with you more. Look at the case of Jacob, he use a cunning, tricky way to get is brother's birthright.He took advantage of his brother's weak, hasty temper to get his birthright. And one will say this wasn't predestined by God?

yvelchstores:
He wasn't predestined however someone had to take that role and he was picked by d devil when he lost his way, long before the betrayal.
He was upset about the fact that Jesus called him out for some financial issues before as he was put in charge of that. The bible says before I was afflicted I went astray, that was D case of Judas who was already stealing money even before the whole betrayal incident.

If it wasn't predestined as you have said... How are we going to explain this bible verses

John 6:64 (But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.)

John 13:18 (I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me)

John 6:70-71 (Jesus answered them, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil)

He has already chosen them and he knew them, even when they had any knowledge of it. So many instances.

There could be two answers to this...
1. Because it was God’s will.
2. Because it fulfilled prophecy.

God said "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" Jeremiah 1:5. God determined the course of the universe before creation. He already knew exactly what would happen even before he created Satan. When he threw Satan to earth it was not by mistake. God revealed Christ's suffering to his prophets (See Mat26 vs 24,31; Mark 9 vs12; Luke18 vs31; John 15vs25 and Acts 13Vs 29). Jesus was there when making the plans. He knew exactly each and every moment of his life. Whatever he did, he did it to fulfill his plans. Since he made the plans, therefore, there is no way he was going to break his own Word.

I have been thinking about this lately, if as human we truly have the "FREE WILL/CHOICE" as the bible has pictured it. So many instances in the bible make it seem like everything that has happened and that is happening is predestined/planned by God.

Here are 2 instances from the numerous examples in the bible.

1. The bible said God hardened Pharaoh's heart, God punish Pharaoh and Egypt for what Pharaoh decided when his heart was hardened by God. Exodus 7:3-4
2. Jesus already knew Peter was going to deny him 3 times and he told him, but said to him I have made supplication for you. John 18:13-27, Matthew 26:34

The only ones who can be saved are the ones God has already chosen. Truly, we are given the free choice to receive Christ, those who receive are called the “elect,” Yet that doesn't mean Heaven is certain for them. God chooses whoever He decides to choose for the job that He wants to be done. He can cause things to happen or prevent them from happening to cause His plan to move forward. Let's examine this from the story of Jacob "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

God loved Jacob and chose him to accomplish His will. Jacob made choices that were against God’s law and did things not the way God would have had him do them, like the way he went about receiving the birthright. But because God intended this blessing for Jacob. God used the poor choices of Jacob to accomplish His own will and to carry out His plan.

Christian scholars in the house please contribute to this topic so we can learn.
God bless you all.

Smart365Life:
Let me break it down for you.

When Computers were created, the idea was to solve complex mathematical calculations and to simplify human tasks. Today, we know that hackers can do terrible things with a PC from a remote location.

When God created man, the idea was for man to have Dominion over creation (Gen 1:26-28) and be like God (Psa 82:6). But we know how man lost that.

Being rich or being poor didn't come from God. The original plan was for man to be like God here on Earth as God is in Heaven. God wanted an "offspring" He could communicate with that has flesh and blood.

All you have said is your opinion doesn't hold any valid point. God ways are not our ways, you can't predict it or guess about it. God said "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" Jeremiah 1:5. So God knew Eve was going to eat the forbidden fruit.

Jesus already knew Peter was going to deny him 3 times and he told him but said to him I have prayed for you.
God knew Job was going to be tested by Satan,but warned Satan not to touch his soul.

From all of these, I came to that conclusion that God already have a script he want everyone on earth to play. There is still a debate by Christian scholars talking about if Judas actually acted according to what God want him to do.

dejavuh0007:
I don't get it. God created man to serve him, and yet he still allowed man to go against him? and that give me that crap that God was allowing man to exercise freewill.

That's her own opinion though... Everything that happened is according to the script and will of God. The bible said God purposely hardened Pharaoh's heart not to let the people of Israel go, and Pharaoh eventually perish.

So many instants like that in the scriptures shows that all actors(names mentioned in the bible) acted according to the script of God.

God already have a script for every one to act on. SCRIPT-TURE

Sorry osho baba

Das77herbal:
Have you ever seen cameramen or ushers close their eyes when the Pastor says let us pray?

Not only the cameramen crew. Even we the instrumentalists don’t fall under anointing, we are always busy playing anointing songs to ginger the pastor.

Bolustical:
No, it doesn't but if you read the report well, the Police said nobody has reported her to them.

If PDP were an effective opposition party, they'd have made sure she was sued and then denied all access to escape but as we know, they were too busy for the primaries.

Even when Adeosun publicly admitted she presented a forge certificate, yet police still want a formal complain.

I can see your brain is paining you. I can understand, whenever it comes to supporting apc your brain doesn’t function. You should be ashamed of yourself for typing this rubbish. Why can’t you condemn what is wrong for once ?

wittyt98:
bro how do u quote multiple posts in one comment I've been trying to learn but I haven't been getting it right. pls teach me

It's simple...Just click quote after you've reply a post. EXample

Grace001:
Yes oo, anyone who make critics and asked questions are HATERS and SON OF DEVIL. People are not getting wise everyday. Even the real ISRAELITE whom the bible talked about in most scriptures is even a learn when it comes to religious matter compare to Nigerian Christians, everything about Nigerians is oversabi. Hypocrite everywhere

I just quote myself and you

Aarondan:
Haters and son of devil � come over the food is ready

If you don't add value to my life Iike he does, it's insane and devilish of you to question or detect how or where should spend my money � .

Yes oo, anyone who make critics and asked questions are HATERS and SON OF DEVIL. People are now getting wise everyday. Even the real ISRAELITE whom the bible talked about in most scriptures is even a learn when it comes to religious matter compare to Nigerian Christians, everything about Nigerians is oversabi. Hypocrite everywhere

Mccullum:
It is not reasonable when you only believe that only christians will enter paradise and how do you believe that Jesus will save you in the hereafter because you are calling him son of God and God declared in the Holy Quran that He belong to no body and no body belongs to Him, Jesus says He'll deny those that calling him God and son of God as that'll be disastrous for you on the day of judgment.

It's very difficult to be religious and get sense.

He is a Christian, so he has that automatic ticket and passport for HEAVEN. Let all this Christians fanatics keep deceiving themselves, only Christians will go to heaven, because being a Christians is automatic ticket to heave.

Most of those hypocrite Christians won't really be surprise when they hear that word "Go away from me you worker of inequity, I don't know you"

desiredhome:
how deep is your darkness? I am very sure that you do not own a house not to talk of living in such an estate, you can not even near that environment due to security details, meanwhile that's your monthly contributions, your only job is to continue praying, fasting and be shouting Amem I receive at every gathering, keep deceiving yourself.

Don't mind people like him, they are always a day dreamer. They actually know the truth but they keep deceiving themselves. I have a friend who is a member of Living faith church, he once said "God is grate our PAPA private jet is now 4" I said to him guy keep quiet there, who is your PAPA? A jet you have never get close to, not even 5 feet away not to talk of going inside the jet. I remember how his sister struggled just to gain an admission into a public university before she finally got pregnant, I reminded him why can't you just let her enroll in Covenant University at least you're a complete member with Wofbi certificate and other certificates. Only the rich family in Winner and other churches can send their kids to Covenant university, it's no go area for the poor members

wittyt98:
yea. the same way oyedepo prayed for all the Arab billionaires who don't worship Jesus to be richer than the richest winners member

It's not by oyedepo's prayers or prophesies
its by God's power. the same God that blesses a Muslim,Buddhist,Hindu,ifa worshipper who doesn't believe in Jesus as lord and saviour or sees anything special in your so called man of God. that goes to show u God is for Everyone regardless of Tribe or Religion. asslicking a human right violator like oyedepo isn't a sign of loyalty its just stupidity point blank .

May God continue to increase your knowledge bro... I always said this, Christian have to stop this mentality believing that we own God. God is God of all. Don't mind those PASTOR ASS LICKER. I guess PAPA or DADDY GO prayed for Dangote and Dantata before they were blessed. Some church goers and fanatics might even say the wealth of the likes of Dangote, Dantata and other Arab nations aren't from Christian God.

But their brainwashed state of mind won't let them think that He(God) let the same sun to shine upon both Christians and others.

12598 nile consat is it on at the moment ?

moviedoor7:
No Sir.

Ok

JeromeBlack:
See this church fanatic talking. Awon slaves of pastors.

Don’t mind that church goer, he was even threatening me because I said my opinion on a public forum as if na him papa get Nairaland. He is a good example of a hypocrite Christian, we know people like him.

winningwinner:
Let me warn you for the last time, when next you see any post that has to do with people above you, you should keep your quiet, or else you go for it. Don't take me for granted else all these rubbish you spewed out here will judge you forever. I don't have anything with fries, you better find you level and learn to stay away from danger next time.

You’re nothing but an empty vessel that makes the loudest noise. Go and threaten your family and warn each and every one of them for the last time, I’m not moved by your mumu and zombie threat. If you don’t do your worst you’re nothing but a he goat that sleep with his mother. How dare you threaten me because I said my opinion on a public forum. Na your family get Nairaland or na your papa get am? Shameless he-goat calling himself Christian yet go about to threaten people.

A so-called Christian going about to threaten people just because they have different opinion with his. It is the height of hypocrisy and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you look in the mirror, you’ll see the exact image of a gullible and confused idiIot.

Anonfia

Can it go for 18k ?