Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 10:46pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: LOVE doesn't rejoice with unrighteousness! 1Corinthians 13:6 If you're not ready to live by the same rules that binds us together as one family, you can go and worship your own God!  Can I ask you what's the intent of Islam, I believe they considered themselves as one family. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 10:43pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69:
He surely has limits! Only bullies don't have limits, once they feel like this is how things should be they take charge.
You can see that when you drive against the one way, if soldiers catch you, they'll deal ruthlessly with you for breaking the traffic rules but when something urgent comes up, they themselves will do exactly the same thing. God has all the power to right the wrong at a go but he respects our freewill and want us to learn from the consequences of demanding for absolute freedom, something different from the relative freedom that we truly deserve!  A God with limit is not a God, what is the name of whom you worship. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 10:09pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa He has a plan to right the wrong, he is a spirit and spirits don't think the way humans do. To him humans are learning, remember his book said he created us from the dust, so it cost him nothing the way or manner that dust will return to dust. Meanwhile he's taking account of those who are willing to be obedient and not rebellious, when all these is over he will reward them with the real life the everlasting life. So see yourself as one person having the chance to live and accomplish whatever you dream of, the suffering of humans like yourself will continue to be there until his kingdom come!  I'm guessing this is the reason muttleylaff was saying a God doesn't have limit, because you just gave him one. He has a plan to right the wrong, a God that wants to right the wrong can simply do this by blinking. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:50pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: Sooner or later, meanwhile both you and i are enjoying together now, the only difference is i'm preaching and teaching people how to love and care for their neighbours as well as hoping for the day when all evil will be things of that past, i can't just see you in the picture because you have no purpose nor plans about how this world will ever become a better place!  But your God wants people to suffer because of their rebellion, if anything your hindering his plan. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:38pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Excellent!  You will get there, or maybe not, some people never wakes up, some do.
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:33pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: God arranged for a global reorientation for humanity, we must learn how to live and let live, Satan created so many other groups claiming worshipers of the same God. So while true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) are busy preaching and teaching people how to become peace lovers, Satan's agents are making them feel humans can solve their own problems, that's why it's difficult for them to make peace reign! God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) are connecting peace lovers globally and making them subjects for Jesus {2Corinthians 10:5} with a view of living forever as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! John 17:21-23 Good for you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:29pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
fairheart: Yes, faith, driven by truth! That sums it up. But you don't necessarily have to be at this station for now. As you open yourself, and with occurrences ahead for you, I'm sure you will reach this state and hold unto whatever conclusion you get from your experience. God has His own time, and His own reasons for His new world. I don't want to blame Him for not haven't done it immediately. All the best bro! "Truth" hope you know the lack of proof that your religion is the truth is the reason Atheist exist, is the reason so many religion exist, is the reason this thread have reached page 117. And your second summary is I don't know, at least you were brave to say this. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:14pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: He never failed, what you mortals term as failure is God's respect for your freewill. He wants you to see that if not guided your freewill may land you in big trouble that can cost your very existence! Genesis 2:17
Adam and Eve chose absolutely freedom not the related freedom God offered them, they die in the process and the consequences of their rebelliousness is what we're all experiencing today.
God have the power to resurrect each and every one of those that are in his memory but evildoers will not be remembered! John 5:28-29
So what mortals thought as weakness is actually divine wisdom and power to the immortals!  You seem to be going off point, so let me ask you, what is the intention of religion/ Christianity/ Islam/Jehovah's witness, you can pick any one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:08pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
fairheart: Your words made me change my mind, so let me add to what have been said! You do not need to see the future, so such sleep is not necessary. Like I said, it is a gift for purposes best known to the One who honoured my life with it.
For the second sentence: my brother, I can feel you and why you have doubts. And your doubts are genuine, because I am not going to be religious and start saying things that are not true or in agreement with realities in our world today. All the good people who cares about the suffering of humanity and the chaos in this world have asked the same question: Why do this God distance Himself and allow His own creations to suffer. Does He cares? He is concerned at all? So many questions!
Here, the Bible provide some answers, but these are not answers that can be accepted except one is ready to "HOPE" in and "BELIEVE" in things you cannot see at this moment. The book of Isaiah 65: 17, “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
There is no hidden interpretation to that Bible reference. Take it literal. He is creating a new world, new system, new plan. It is like a US government saying they are designing a program that will fix American financial challenges. Or like you saying, "I will build my house before I am 50 years." It is a plan in motion; we cannot see it, but "HOPE" asked us to "BELIEVE" such plan is out there. I strongly believe the Creator feels our agony and pain. I think He has a plan (Note that I am talking from a mind that has been permeated by belief and hope).
What is He trying to do? Honestly, there is so much misconception and contradictions on this. I advise you not to engage hardcore Christians on this issue, they will confuse you more. Don't engage any denominational Christian; they are divided against themselves. The new heaven is in Heaven, it is a physical world, that and this. These are confused, and will also cause you more confusion.
What you need to do is open yourself, open your mind, be ready to take in new information. Your Creator feels your pain; he knows you are deeply concern that this world is broken and not working. But please, open yourself to Him, not to anybody else. Do independent Bible study if you will and open your heart to occurrences around you, as you go on living your life defending truth about this Creator, supporting humanity in your capacity. In your study, you will find contradictions, words of some Bible writers that conflicts others, but I trust that the Spirit of knowledge will guide you. Amen
HOPE that He is truly creating a new system while you do your best for human race. HOPE! If a God wants to do something, it's already done. The summary of your write up is " have faith" faith is very important in religion, without faith religion won't work. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:57pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
fairheart: You are creating confusion with your approach to this. It is the pattern of teachings of people like you that has scattered Christianity today. You think there's only one way to having God reveals Himself to people? Now I understand why this thread has reached over 100 pages. Please do better! You really need to go back to my old comments to you. The guy doesn't even know what he believes in, that's why I don't take him serious. In the Bible God revealed him self to murders, rapist, and all sort of criminals. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:44pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Rozz: no need to comment on something I already did a topic on. On the contrary I lead my group most times on presentations, una sabi brag here and its not my thing. We all have our areas of interest and I will beat you hands down if you dare me in my own field What's your own field... madam leader. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:35pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: That's human thinking not that of the immortals!
To spirits (who don't grow old or die) time means nothing, that's why God allows the descendants of Adam to see the consequences of rebellion. When all these is over, we will never forget what we experienced under the rulership of rebellious man! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
The memories of wicked acts and evildoers will continue to linger in our hearts for ever, that's what God meant by people tormented forever and ever! Revelations 14:11 In other words your God failure is intentional. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:31pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: God doesn't reveal himself to people just like that otherwise it will be a partiality! According to the Bible, He (God) only reveal himself to people whose heart are pure and willing to do what God wants but are going towards the wrong direction. But once a person's heart has completely discarded all thoughts about a Supreme Being, the next thing you'll see such persons doing is making efforts to become your God. So in a bid to set standards that he himself will not uphold, an atheist will be negating the idea of someone else that's Supreme above all! 
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:30pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: God doesn't reveal himself to people just like that otherwise it will be a partiality! According to the Bible, He (God) only reveal himself to people whose heart are pure and willing to do what God wants but are going towards the wrong direction. But once a person's heart has completely discarded all thoughts about a Supreme Being, the next thing you'll see such persons doing is making efforts to become your God. So in a bid to set standards that he himself will not uphold, an atheist will be negating the idea of someone else that's Supreme above all!  Backup crew.
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:27pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Rozz: Thanks for this I hope it sinks When I ask you to talk you won't, but when some does talk you rush on to come and support them, don't you have a voice of your own, are you the type that hide behind a group during a presentation. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:20pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
fairheart: There is God bro! There is a Creator, and I understand you have your reasons for doubting his existence, but there is God. I am not saying this to engage you or start commenting on this thread again, but I want to share a few thought. I have also had moment of my own doubts when I began heavy personal education; I have asked some fundamental questions. It is funny how people run to the Bible looking for prove. Nobody needs the Bible to show proofs that there is God. The irrefutable proof is with and in us. There is a Creator! he planned everything in the beginning, and all creations dance to the tune of His majestic powers!
(Let us use some simple human anatomical sample ) You are the design that proves there's a Creator! Naked yourself in a light-room walled by plain clean mirror, and look at yourself from head to toe? What do you see?
Imagine the male sexual organ, your own penis (suppose you male adult) and and that of the female (for procreation); a womb in the female (to develop the offspring). One is like a straight short stick while the other is a hole that can take in the stick. Do these looks like they are intentionally designed so?
Now to your head: your mouth. Isn't that a hole to take in foods capable of nourishing your body and its organs? Now look at your anus: to pass out waste that result from the things you consume. Look at your tooth, so strong that it can crush plants, meats, fish, and even meats bone, so that you can pass it to your stomach without hurting you. Does it look like design or coincidence?
Look at your ears and your eyes? it is there so that you can use it to take in information for the brain in your skull to process, for communication, and to enjoy the beauty of life. Are they designed or appear by chance?
Look at your legs, your hands. Remember their functions, then imagine how you'd have been if you did not have them with the type of body you have. Were they designed?
During moment of my doubts, the Spirit in me reminds me to look at myself, and ask: Am I a design, or a product of chance, or as you may call it, evolution?
I know you want to say evolution, but if evolution is what is responsible for the way we are, the planned design we represent, then I want to tell you today: Evolution must have been the Creator's agent. All were planned from the beginning.
A little spirituality here: I am known by people who are close to me for my ability to see things in my dream before they happen. If I see in my dream that something happen to you, it is going to happen; if I dream that something is going to happen to someone or myself, it is going to happen, except steps are taken by the person I dreamt about or myself to avert it. I grew up realizing I have this gift, and it has baffled me for several years now: Where did my ability to see future occurrences come from? Is it product of spirituality? Well, but non-God science, like the one you follow, don't believe in Spirituality. Science, till today, cannot explain where people get the ability to foresee future occurrences from.
That leave you with a question: are we spiritual being? If No, then why do we exhibit spiritual quality? Why do I dream of things that I did not have pre-knowledge of? If you say Yes to the question above, then that leaves us with another question: where do we get our spiritual qualities from? Evolution? If it is from evolution, then evolution must have been God's natural agent.
If you are still in your 20s, don't worry, you will arrive at belief in God. if you are in your middle age, don't worry, you will find a personal answer from your future experiences that will begin from the moment you finish reading this comment (I say that with authority!). My adviser for you is allow yourself to evolve. You don't even need religion to arrive at the belief in God. Religion will distort your view. Open yourself to new experience and new answer, because they will come to you.
There is God. He is powerful, majestic, loving, kind, but He is a mysterious Being. May that Being whose Power reveal things to come to me at nights in my sleep reveals Himself to you from now on. AMEN! (I'll not reply to any mention) Like I've said, if anyone can see the future they I'll spend the rest of their life sleeping. I agree with you God may exist, but it can't be the one that failed to establish the world he wanted. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:04pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 7:58pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: That's what atheists often say to make you think they're free from control, but my dear it's a big lie!  As long as we are humans, what we see others do will continue to influence our thinking one way or another. Jehovah explained that the foolish never made any research all that they want to tell you or hear is "there is no God" {Psalms 10:4} they'll continue agitating and trying to psych others into thinking like them yet they're claiming "there is no Supreme Being" doesn't that sound preposterous! Job 5:13 What a joke
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:58pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:29pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Rozz: dont Just start You have a nice body, lovely skin, if you're wise you can enjoy your heaven on earth like the white men do, or chase an illusion wasting hours upon hours talking about what doesn't even exist, not like I really care. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 6:06pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Rozz: lol,we all have a life but operate on different levels.Simple question that demands a simple answer.Dont be bitter,life is good, it all depends on what you make out of it .Hope you're good Wait o, don't tell me after 116 pages still believe God exist, can't you see how confuse they all are. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 5:35pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Rozz: where have you been Unlike you I have a life. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lady Blasted After She Announces Conversion To Christianity by GRIMMJOE(m): 4:11pm On Jul 07, 2020*. Modified: 6:18pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
^^^ She found God.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Yes It's Hard To Explain...But God's Still God And He's Never Made A Mistake by GRIMMJOE(m): 3:17pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: I answered! And God is Real! Saying something is real doesn't make it any real. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 3:15pm On Jul 07, 2020 |
Rozz: fake wealthy pastor Johnw419, call them to come help you out ooo. I'm not a jw member but truthfully they are very good and can defend themselves and what they stand for anywhere,anytime.What have you been typing here? nothing,you and your likes are the ones causing confusion in Christianity.You can't even stand atheist GRIMMJOE in scripture matters.You took a backsit when DrLiveLogic aka Fairheart lol came onboard.You better stop commenting here as you have exhausted the little you know about the scripture
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by GRIMMJOE(m): 5:25am On Jun 24, 2020 |
hoopernikao: @GRIMMJOE
Good evening. And I trust you had a great day.
I am sure my intent for you have been well passed across in all our discussion. We will not need to drag on forever.
And as you said you are a thinker, I am sure that you are and will ponder more on our discussion. I also trust God that you will find a follow up to this in a physical person He will send to you in nearest time.
That things work together and fit together unto this purpose, His purpose. May your quest, steps, free or critical thinking and researches find its final abode in God's eternal purpose in due time.
Amen. I wonder why the sudden need to end the discussion, but cool. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth? by GRIMMJOE(m): 5:21am On Jun 24, 2020 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth? by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:42pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
Maximus69: Feeling sleepy GRIMMJOE, see you tomorrow.
Good night Sir!  Fly away, little bird. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth? by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:41pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
Maximus69: That's why we're not in agreement nah! 
One of us is mad for sure, but the point is while you think it's me, i'm also suspecting it's you. Then the final decision is left in the hands of observers who will notice the result after we're married, have children and train them. Including the gathering in which each of us is often found!  Well you were the one telling me about mad people so... good luck |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth? by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:38pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
LordReed: Yes, your thoughts are influenced by your food intake if you didn't know. Why do you think you are told to fast? Nice one  |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth? by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:37pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
CodeTemplar: Oya log out I don't hear. But have you heard. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should One Find Out Which Religion Is The Truth? by GRIMMJOE(m): 9:35pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
Maximus69: Where did i quote a dictionary? 
If you don't understand any word of phrase just ask me and i'll explain.
That's how your professors behave in their gathering Sir, it's you the underdogs that live your lives based on the definitions they give you, they change the definition of any word whenever they feel it doesn't soothe them anymore!  So where do you get your definition from, I need the pages for toiletries. |