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LaboPolitics:
Mr monsurudeen Oloriagbon, cry to Mazi Kanu and beg him to exempt you yoruba muslims specifically, till then you yoruba muslims are still fair game.

Una ewedu coneskulls too dey sweet to 'tospy'. I go dey knack am dey go till Mazi say 'e don do'.

Even your leader Kanu have seen the futility of his methods. You will not get anywhere until you come back to your superiors with a humble heart.

helinues:
In stuffs like this, Yoruba are United like anything...

So you guys shouldn't worry about where the president will come from in SW

They are trying to model Yoruba on Biafra. We are fortunate not to think like that. Any discerning mind should know this is what will tear Biafra asunder.

LaboPolitics:
yorubanzas are not going anywhere when they lose out in 2023.
Even the restructure gan sef, dem no go smell..

Buratai will be happy to test some new bullets in your coneskull when you try your rubbish. This is not 1999 when you had media monopoly.

No be only una get madness.

I see you are not listening to your master, Nnamdi Kanu. He warned you never to say nonsense about Yoruba any further.

ogbuefi677:
lolz
Let us wait for our resident yoruba muslim attack dogs to come and let us know how Adebanjo is a failed politician bla bla

Yoruba started the call for restructuring, where was ipob then and what was their position?

EzzyCarter:
Curtain falls...



Act 1 Scene 2 coming up...

Lol, you are wicked.

plaindealer:
Ignorance and illiteracy is when you argue against yourself because you dont understand the meaning of basic english words.

Inadvertently and Manslaughter are the same, in fact, by saying it was manslaughter, you basically agreed with the NAF that is was indeed inadvertently.

Before ignorantly misappropriating words, google the meaning because you've been either deliberately or cluelessly agreeing with the NAF.

Btw, regardless of the police investigation, the NAF investigation is done and concluded.

You are indeed clueless. I will leave you with your ignorance.
I will come back to this thread when your friend is finally charged to court.
She was going in the opposite direction and a driver going in the opposite llane reversed and inadvertently killed her.
How dumb can some people be? And you don't want answers?

plaindealer:
1. You can no assure anything, you are not the Nigerian police or the IG of police.

2. Concluding that he will be charged for manslaughter means it was an accident/inadvertently and not murder/intentional.






3. See, you keep embarrassing yourself that it was not inadvertently and he will face manslaughter charges, but the meaning of manslaughter is doing something inadvertently/mistake, something that you did not mean to do even when people die.


This is really embarrassing, you keep saying it wasn't inadvertently while at the same time concluding that it was.

This is when people lack knowledge and throw around words and theories that they know nothing about.

The investigation is ongoing. Whatever I am saying is speculative just as NAF was being speculative. You are the only one out of the loop. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Oj Simpson was tried for murder, acquitted and was later convicted in a civil case for unlawful killing.
You ignorance is out of this world. I have no intention of engaging you any further.

plaindealer:
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It happened on their base so they obviously had access to eyewitnesses and reports from first responders.

They don't have to change their story for any sinister reason since preliminary accounts and investigated accounts are always different

There are always preliminary reports and investigations are carried out to confirm or negate preliminary reports.

Conspiracy theory is clouding your judgment..

I am the last person to believe in conspiracy theories. You will never see me engage in that. At the same time if something doesn't sound right to me I will ask questions. In this case the authorities have not been transparent enough with us.

plaindealer:
We are talking about a specific case about vehicle accident, not about a made up story and baseless analogy, stick to the topic and stop making up stories.

They finished their investigation and the conclusion before and after remains INADVERTENTLY. so what's your point?

The investigation is in the hands of the police, I can assure you right now they will not let him go that he inadvertently killed her.
He will be charged for a series of crimes like manslaughter, endangering human lives, driving without authorization etc.
The "inadvertent" nonsense is what it is; a load of crap. There's no basis for it in this case.

plaindealer:
The fact that he intentionally drove a car doesn't meant he intentionally drove to the base to kill the young woman so it was inadvertently as concluded and if it wasn't, it means it was not an accident, but a premeditated, planned, deliberate, targeted and calculated murder.

So, you repeatedly claiming that it wasn't inadvertently is basically saying it was intentional with Malice. PERIOD.

Ok,I agree with you my friend but how was the NAF able to determine that in a matter of hours?
What I am saying is that the NAF jumped the gun period. And if you noticed, they removed that word from their second statement.

plaindealer:
This is your baseless analogy that it was not an accident.

So, all gun accidents are intentional and basically murder just because they held and brandished a gun that went off?

Forget about a gun, if I see you sitting in a park and I come over to your side and start swinging my baseball bat, if after about 10 times I then hit you in the head an observer might call it intentional others might call it an accident.
But when an institution like the NAF is putting out an information on a subject like the death of an officer there's should be no room for speculations. Finish your investigations before issuing a statement calling it an accident.
What if the police after their own investigation says it wasn't an accident? Imagine what damage that can do to the image of the NAF.

plaindealer:
This is your baseless analogy that it was not an accident.

So, all gun accidents are intentional and basically murder just because they held and brandished a gun that went off?

You can twist it all you want. The guy intentionally drove a car while he was not licensed. That is a crime and in the process killed someone.
He could have done it intentionally or not but you and I and the Nigerian Airforce will have to wait for answers.

plaindealer:
No, you repeatedly asserted that it didn't happen accidentally or Inadvertently because the driver drove without a drivers license, meaning it was intentional.

Again, either you don't read what you type before hitting submit or you just love to contradict yourself.

1. You admitted that Inadvertently means unintentionally.

2. You also admitted and concluded what it was not intentional or inadvertently.

3. Since according to you it was not inadvertently, it means it was intentional and what you do on purpose and intentionally to kill or hurt other people is plain MALICE.

Now you are basically arguing with your own words.

I was going by what the NAF said in their initial statement. It was in that statement they told us she was "inadvertently knocked down. They didn't say she might have been struck inadvertently. Please bear in mind that at that point, it is almost impossible to have concluded any investigation into what happened. I think it was the same day.
Then today, they said the case will be transferred to the police for further investigation. This is what prompted my comment by saying "after they told us she was inadvertently killed"
They basically preempted the police investigation in my opinion.
This will be my last response to you. I have indulged you enough. You are are free to believe whatever you want to believe and I am free to believe whatever I want to believe.

plaindealer:
1. Words have meanings, you said what happened was not inadvertently and since inadvertently means unintentional, you've repeatedly asserted several times that the accident was intentional.

2. The opposite of inadvertently is Malice, intentional, premeditated, planned, deliberate and intended. (Look it up in the dictionary)




3. What you do on purpose and intentionally to harm other people is malice.


I gave you several opportunities to clarify and rephrase your stance, but you wont stop digging and digging your own trap, you keep using phrases that you either don't understand and have no clue what they mean on the opposite side.

The opposite of inadvertently is intentional and when you harm or kill other people intentionally, it's pure malice.

Think twice before throwing around words that you do not understand.

I have repeatedly said there's no way of telling us if it was intentional or not when the investigation is still being carried out. I stand by that and I don't get what you are on about.
You are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.
If you think it was not intentional you can help by telling us why rather than engage yourself in endless loop of meaningless parsing.

BotherMleeper:
No probs

I like helping out the ignorant

It is quite obvious who the ignorant one is. Always ready to roll in the mud. Nothing upstairs.

plaindealer:
You know why you keep dancing around and refusing to just answer Yes or No? Because you saw your own trap, the same trap you are trying too hard not to fall into, but you'e already contradicted yourself several times.

Driving without a license is Manslaughter, not murder.

Manslaughter = No malice, you did not mean to kill.

You are just making up your own tales with irrational and baseless conclusions.

I never mentioned malice anywhere but that doesn't mean there's no malice involved. The case is still being investigated. The NAF also cannot say at this point with all certainty that no malice was involved. Why? Because the case is still under investigation.
By the way, you are just regurgitating what I already said.

plaindealer:
That was a Yes or No question.


Basically, he intentionally killed the woman because he drove without a license?

Just answer Yes or No.

If this was a yes and no situation there are plenty of reasons to believe he killed her intentionally.
He didn't have a license was he blind too? Yes or no?

plaindealer:
Basically, he intentionally killed the woman because he drove without without a license?

Yes or No?

If he didn't kill Tolu he would have killed someone else. Perhaps you.
This is why if he was stopped by a police officer the vehicle would have been impounded right away. You understand now?

plaindealer:
You are still not making any sense, license or no license, you can not prove that he drove to the base intentionally to kill the woman.

1. Manslaughter = The unlawful killing of a human being without express or implied malice.

Meaning accident, you did not mean to kill.

See how you dissolved your own weak and upside down analogy that doesn't make sense with your own analogy?

2. Accidents are generally just accidents and when people die, it's always manslaughter, meaning you did not mean to kill regardless if you are licensed to drive or not.

You are the one who is not making any sense. Who mentioned malice? Did I mention malice anywhere? Inadvertently means unintentionally. If you are above 21 years old and you didn't know you can kill someone with a vehicle when you don't know how to drive then that person must be retarded.
Don't tell me that maybe he knows how to drive or maybe he just didn't have a license. That is not the way the law will see it. You don't have a license you can't drive period, there's no maybe or any of that nonsense.
Tell me where the "unintentional" comes in when you already know the consequences of your action.

Asour:
Technically following your logic,even the Police has no power to decide what was done inadvertently that's the Court.

By the way the NAF has a Police force as capable as the the NPF. The matter was transferred to NPF AFTER the NAF police had done a preliminary investigation hence their position.

I don't know the intention of the Suspect, but you should pray never to be involved in any bad eventuality by a mistake. Then you would pray to be given at least the benefit of doubt. For all a man's evil intention, who kills by knocking down in broaddaylight without any aggravation.

You are absolutely right and that is my problem with their initial story. No one should preempt this type of investigation by saying it was a mistake. We simply don't know and the NAF also didn't know.

plaindealer:
Are you saying the fact that the driver drove without a drivers licences automatically means he meant to kill the young woman or he purposely went to the base to visit the squadron leader and planned to kill the the young woman at the same time?

You are not making any sense and your analogies are totally upside down.

Why do you think you are issued with a driver's license? As a decoration? You are given a license which you are not entitled to by right (it is a privilege) because the authorities doesn't want you to kill someone or yourself.
If you are driving without a license you already put yourself and others at risk of being killed.
While you may not be charged with premeditated murder you are unlikely to escape being guilty of manslaughter.

plaindealer:
She was inadvertently struck down.

Driving a vehicle without a driver's license is a criminal offense. If you are wielding a gun and it goes off and kill someone you cannot say you inadvertently kill someone.
You are already engaged in a crime before the tragedy.
Why do you think a police officer can impound your vehicle if you are found not to have a driver's license?

karo93:
People are always gullible to conspiracy theories and hate to be convinced otherwise

Part of the reasons is that we live in a society where truth is the hardest thing to find.
In the absence of clear and truthful official explanation people will weave their own stories to fill the void.

tesppidd:
They knew what?

Whose fault is it that the Air Force told you the cause of her death but you refused to believe simply because Fani Kayode and Reno Omokri told you one of their crack influenced political ethnic tales of hate?

They never mentioned the name of the driver, how many people were in the vehicle. They didn't mention the fact that the driver didn't have a driver's license. So many unanswered questions.
In circumstances like this Nigerians are not supposed to hound the authorities for information. It is the right of the people to know.
I am not a fan of any of those people you mentioned.

They knew this and kept quiet until Nigerians started to ask questions.
God Almighty will console her family. I am happy they didn't mention that dumb "inadvertently" in their new statement.

BotherMleeper:
Inadvertently means without prior intent.

Obviously the friends accidentally struck her.

Thus, inadvertently

Ok, sir. Thank you for letting me know.
SMH.

quentin06:
I do find it disturbing that a military officer in her cadre could be easily run over like a hen by a civilian, she didn't hear the vehicle coming, could nt even take evasive action.

Seems sloppy, wonder how she qualified to fly.

Sha fear Igala juju.

Put yourself in her shoes, a car passes you on the other side of the road, how can you imagine that this same car will reverse and hit you while you are still walking away in the same opposite direction.
If these people were her friends trying to greet her they certainly didn't alert her either by horn or shouting out to her.
She had her back to them when she was struck.

madridsta007:
Nigerians are very easy to excite. Thorougly emotional people.
If it were the UK, US or even Rwanda there would have been clear calls for investigation. Liam Fox or even Boris Johnson would go on Andrew Marr's show to explain the details of the death. Of course a commision of inquiry would be set up and there would be calls for someone to resign. Of course there would be resignations. News stations will run the deaths over and over again till we get results.

But in Nigeria young people will go on social media and excitedly hail the spokesperson of the regime instead of calling for an independent commission of enquiry.

Lazy youths.

God bless you my friend. We have a long way to go. This is why we cannot get to the bottom of anything in Nigeria. We have a very simplistic way of looking at everything.
Some will even call it an act of God. God didn't kill her, someone did.

Miracle1991:
preliminary investigation. I dont know if you ever hear that statement.

Preliminary investigation by people who are not supposed to handle the investigation in the first place let alone making a pronunciation on it. We have a long way to go in Nigeria.
We will get there someday.

ILoveDemMANNA:
This is a very intelligent and brilliant write up from.a very intelligent man. To all the swines and fools saying some people killed this young and brilliant minds, shame on you all. May you all witness this type of death if you are spreading falsehood, you can only escape it if you are saying the truth. anuofias

Can't you read? Someone killed her! Did she die of a natural cause? Someone was responsible for her death. Your curses are going to stick on you like a super glue.

dokie:
Serious problem for the guy. He'll be charged for murder.

For those that do not know, having a drivers license is not just to ensure the cops, VIO, FRSC don't impound your vehicle. If you kill someone while driving and you cannot provide a valid drivers license, you are going to rot in jail. Except naija (connect/money) factor helps you.

You are absolutely right.

Miracle1991:
do u know the roles of d air provost? Ask questions before typing rubbish.

I have no time for idiotic questions. Why refer the case to the police if the air provost can determine whether a crime has been committed or not?
The job of a provost is to ensure an officer doesn't do any harm to a civilian. What happens when a civilian harm an officer?