₦airaland Forum

pendy79:
Buhari knew he was up against the elements because most of the GOCs where Soldiers who were involved in the overthrow of shagari and were rewarded with promotion, appointment and leadership of core military formations. Truly Idiagbon being around then wont have stopped the coup though he might have made it more difficult and bloody.

orkar's coup had echendu too who was a colonel then, their plan was to kill the head of state and some top military top brass, whip up popular support with their act to cut off some states from the Nigerian Entity and then take command and formations.

their plan was watery and not organised, they could not rally the middlebelt soldiers into their plot which was their achilles heel.

the way the military was structured then, no coup could succed except the core north was behind it.

pendy79:
Bonny camp is now Bonny cantonment. Killing the head of state doesn't guarantee a successful coup as long as the COAS or CGS can rally all GOCs to be on the government side, the case of nzeogwu, ifeajuna, and co and that of Dimka comes to mind here.

The success of a coup depend solely on the loyalty and ability of the COAS or CGS to rally all the GOCs of relevant divisions. Abacha did and Ironsi did too.

pendy79:
The GOCs report to the Head of state through the COAS. The COAS oversees all Army formations. We did experience it during the orkar coup. Abacha rallied the GOCs when Dodan Barracks fell to the coupists. Even if gideon orkar had killed IBB, his case would have been like that of Dimka in 1976

pendy79:
Yeah, you are saying same as I said. The head of state controls no troops. The COAS control all brigades, divisions and troops but by proxy. If the commanders are loyal to him during a coup then the likelihood of the coup successful is minimal but if 2 or more commanders are not then it becomes a bloody coup and the troops with more power and equipment takes over.

The loyalty of the infantry and armoured division determines the way a coup goes.

Remember the first thing Abacha did when he escaped from dodan barracks was to seek the loyalty of commanders of the two most powerful army division in lagos.

pendy79:
The armoured corp was the elite army division then but remember the infantry, motorised and presidential guards and brigade would have mounted some level of resistance if their commanders were still loyal to the COAS hence the reason behind some coups being bloody and some aint.

EnlightenedSoul:
Come on, this is obvi not a fair comparison. Drake is just ugly anyhow.

pendy79:
It would have been more difficult if idiagbon was in the country since he has troops under his command unlike a head of state who has no powers to muster troops but can only pass instructions to the military commanders.

The coup plotters knew what they were doing when they waited for idiagbon to go on hajj before striking. It was a tactical move. Orkar nearly succeed but because abacha and co had troops still loyal to them they were able to counter the coup against babangida.

The military is about command and structures then anyway not the useless contractors and azzlickers who are there right now. It is a pity the Nigerian Army has been brought down on its knees and can't even face ragtag bunch of hungry boys.

Buhari was in a tight corner in 85, he had never commend any troop in lagos except ibadan and knew to try counter the coup was a foolish move. A good and tactical general chooses which wars to fight.

Don't mind the ignorant people who are spewing rubbish on the thread. They act before they think. It is a tribal infection, you know ojukwu passed on the genes to all of them.

ogb5:
Babangida knew that Idiagbon was the only obstacle to the success of the coup that is why they waited for him to travel out of the country before staging the coup.

Buhari was just a figure head in that government. The overthrow of buhari was very easy once Idiagbon was out of the country. Babangida just placed a call to buhari that he should vacate dodan barracks within 15mins and the mumu Buhari vacated the seat in less than 10 minutes. Even faster than the requested time.

pendy79:
People don't read but are just fascinated by the title of a post even if it was the newspaper trying to colour statements to gather more appeal to buyers.

Buhari has no sole powers to query activities of junior officers in a successful coup attempt. He control no troops and he has no option since the populace where in total support of the coup.

It will be a suicide attempt for the military chief in burkina faso to try force the president to remain in power with the popular rage of the people despite his closeness to the president .

People should get acquainted with the military command during a military coup, you either support the winning side and live or you die fighting it. Shagari was already out before buhari was contacted in faraway jos.

This interview goes beyond the babangida issue and people should read and not just take the title and be judgemental. Babangida is the army chief and equally the arrowhead of the shagari overthrow. Buhari knows he has no loyal troop in lagos since he didn't command troops in lagos so he knows if the same cabal wants him out he has no powers to stop them knowing how grounded they are.

patwilly:
Notice that there are few names of Northern origin among the retired Generals. Northerners have traditionally preferred combat/teeth arm roles like the infantry, armour etc over support/non-teeth arm roles like engineering etc. interesting.

Missy89:
Juju.

He is in a bottle and i have stashed it in a safe place

Missy89:
Only few NATO members are meeting their military budget obligations. Why not like America fight your wars and save money? Germany got what she wanted in Kosovo with US militarily machine. Let Wasteful america keep spending the money they don't have while you sit back and enjoy your security. Poland is getting what they want in Ukraine while hiding under NATO as well.

Missy89:
Nuclear blackmail kept everyone at bay after WW2

There was basically no more land to grab in Europe and Japan was occupied by America, China was an ally (temporarily) and the union was relatively safe until it all came crashing down. The buffer was strategic and also a liability. It was just a matter of time

Missy89:
Right, but
The naughty document was more about how to divide and control Europe (sphere of influences) and the Americans weren't involved unlike the Yalta agreement where Stalin wanted land concessions for fighting Japan.

Missy89:
How does the story about joining the war 3 years late change the fact that soviets tried to expand beyond the agreed line?

Imperial powers don't just walk in and take lands with cookies and candies but with the barrel of the gun? how many piece of land did the Allies kept for themselves in Europe when the war ended? Only the soviet expanded The rest maintained Status quo ante and redrew the borders to accommodate other nations. But Stalin was more interested in land grabbing. That's a FACT!

Missy89:
But the soviets grabbed land from Finland in the winter war (Karelia, Petsamo etc), Japan '45 (Kuril Islands) and Mongolia'44(Tuva). In fact, Truman was furious and had to pressure the Soviets to stop advancing on Japanese Island in '45. so what do we call that?. defending themselves?
and don't forget they grabbed Lviv (now part of Ukraine) from Poland '39 and russified it deported the poles there to Siberia. Their other land grabs in Poland can be overlooked because they were taking back what they lost in the treaty of Riga

carefreewannabe:
Tell us where Egypt is located.

Then tell me where Iraq is located and then tell me what is referred to as the cradle of civilization in the first place.

Are you supporting someone who says that the Roman Empire still exists?

Are you supporting someone who claims that Russia was never an Empire?

Self-proclaimed expert of History.


Under Czar Peter I (the Great), shown in the painting at the right, the "Russian Empire" was proclaimed in 1721, and it soon became recognized as a world power. Ruling from 1672 to 1725, Peter defeated Sweden, forcing it to cede West Karelia and Ingria, as well as Estland and Livland, and he succeeded in securing Russia's access to the Baltic Sea and to sea trade. On the Baltic Sea, Peter I founded a new capital called Saint Petersburg His many reforms brought considerable Western European cultural influences to the new Russian Empire.

Catherine II (the Great), who ruled from 1762-1796, presided over the Age of Russian Enlightenment. She extended Russian political control over the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and eventually incorporated most of its territories into Russia, pushing the Russian frontier Westward into Central Europe. In the South, Russia's borders were extended to the Black Sea, after the defeat of the Crimean Khanate.

In the early 19th Century, under the rule of Czar Alexander I (1801-1825), Russia took Finland from the weakened Kingdom of Sweden and took Bessarabia from the Ottomans. At the same time, the Russians colonized Alaska and even established settlements on the West Coast of North America, as far south as California.

The Russian Empire was instrumental in the defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte, at the end of his quest to conquer all of Europe. Almost 95% of Napoleon's "Grande Armée" perished during the cold Russian winter of 1812. The Russian army drove Napoleon from Russia and pushed him back across Europe, finally entering Paris. Czar Alexander I headed Russia's delegation to the Congress of Vienna that defined the map of post-Napoleonic Europe.

In another major feat, it was a Russian sea expedition in 1820 that discovered the previously unknown continent of Antarctica.

http://www.stamp-collecting-world.com/russianempire_history.html

According to the self-proclaimed Historian Russia was not imperialistic and only fought its neighbors.

shymexx:
Yes, that's what's missing in her life.

She reads a lot about world history and politics, but left out the most important aspect of it. Africa/black history, with middle east, changed the world. You can't understand world history without being knowledgeable about the two most important parts of the world.

shymexx:
Lol, that's why I keep telling to stop indoctrinating herself with intellectual junk. And study more African history.

Heck, I also told her to read more books and academic journals from British authors. British academics will never let bias becloud their academic excellence, save for a few. She can also join me on the Guardian UK...folks tell it as it's out here.

shymexx:
Missy89

Let's compare the legacies of both the West and Soviet Union in Africa, in terms of leadership.

All the greatest Africans ever, from Sekou Toure, to Patrice Lumumba, to Kwame Nkrumah, to Awolowo, to Thomas Sankara etc. were all socialist leaning.

Then you have despots and murderers like Mobutu, Jonas Savimbi, and Idi Amin - who were all propelled up by the West.

Also, take a look at how the improvement/growth of Africa in the last two decades has been because of the Chinese influence.

Now tell me which one is imperialistic, and which one isn't.

saintneo:
It is not yet the fifth of November but it makes me remember ....... V



https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02609/v_jpg_2609935b.jpg

desgiezd:
The people of Burkina Faso not only need to burn down the Parliament building, they need to revolt and chase out Blaise Compaore from power, what else does he want to achieve that he has not achieved after 27 years in power?

If only Thomas Sankara were still alive ....

Talon005:
Most trials in the middle east against women have been very unfair?, really?. Please I am interested in knowing how you got this fact cause I know for certain that in Iran, hundreds of men are prosecuted yearly and no one talks about it, a woman is a victim now and everyone thinks the system is flawed or soin, ok.

What you wrote up there about trials against women being very unfair is exactly how slander is turned into truth and fallacy into reality. This is precisely how the grostesque lie is born, nourished and expanded. This
is how society is programmed into a self cosseting intellectual laziness, incapable of the rigours of enquiry and analysis. Hundreds of lazy people who cannot make use of their google (a much easier route) to get facts will read your post and start spreading lies without enquiring, maybe you are a victim too, you heard or read from a biased person and you begin spreading the lies. You are forgiven.

samguru:
Who is this displaying constitutional illiteracy,please enlighten me where in constitution was stated that speaker/senate president must come from a particular party?

It was because of the numerical strength of the PDP legislators that made them elect Tambuwal, and now that he has defected to another party and no impeachable offenses against him,he still remain the speaker of the house.

The only condition where he can be removed is for PDP legislators to search Tambuwal cupboard for any skeleton if found, then impeachment notice is serve if nothing, Tambuwal ride on joooor.

EnlightenedSoul:
God no! That seems to be coog's belief.

Egypt isn't nearly half as draconian (in fact it's 'moderate') as Iran, but having lived in the Middle East, I'm strongly inclined to believe the departed lady. I could say more on this, but I'm on the road. I'll be back.

pendy79:
Mubi is the town of the chief of defence staff who ought to have resigned for shamelessly annoucing a ceasefire and release of the chibok girls and not backed by any intelligence or confirmed information in faraway cameroon making himself and the government he represents objects of ridicule amongst comity of nations.

The fact he personally made the announcement surely will be the reason boko haram decided to turn him to a jester and make a fool out of him.
Really a hard time for the chibok girls and people of the noth east.

Acidosis:
Where were you when Ilorin and Akure airports were constructed?


#haterz.