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Why would one go through all that stress for just pittance? How will 500k change your life?

I believe most people are more concerned about the fish seller that was killed. Who really cares about the policemen anyways? They were probably trying to collect their own egunje to ensure a smooth operation

Volksfuhrer:
It's so unfortunate that many of us don't see the corruption of political office holders as cruelty. Ben Bruce must be encouraged to speak up against corruption! It's just disheartening that the very people he's fighting for are now being used to fight him!

It has to be said that some of the comments I've seen on Nairaland trailing the newfound activism of Ben Bruce have been downright disgraceful!

If only we knew where Nigeria would have been, had it not been for this monster called corruption!

Nigerians are unbelievable.

And yet we claim we don't want corruption. I guess we just don't know how to identify corruption when we see it.

However, Nigerians can't be blamed. We're so used to being lied to that the truth is hard to believe

Nigerians are really hard to understand. This guy is speaking up against him and instead of echoing his words we prefer to criticize him instead.

Unbelievable

Emperoradrian:
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opeaceo:
Your opinion.

That's all you can say? How articulate

opeaceo:
What about Lk 6:38
"Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again."

I personally feel the issue of giving shouldn't be specified only to your pastor. What about people in need?

I've been in a bus many times and the conductor is screaming at someone who doesn't have money to pay the tfare. Most times, there are christians in the bus and they will act like they don't care. Despite the fact than I'm non religious, I can't bear to see someone in need and not help.

The truth is that most christians will give only because they hope to get something back in return.

PS: I've met some really generous christians and muslims though

GBAM!

We haven't had power supply for over 3 weeks

Defcon1:
I am a heavy user.
I usually buy 2 extra batteries whenever l buy a new phone.

Because of our erratic power supply, l always charge the extra batteries whenever there is power(few times a week in my area)
At times l even charge them in those phone accessories kiosks...while still using my phone at home.

By doing so, l would have 2 extra batteries to use for days during power cuts

With a non-removable battery, l would have just one battery, which when it goes flat leaves me with no spare till the next power supply(God knows when )

Only those with 24/7 power supply won't bother about the whole thing.

teeowl:
Now i get why you are sounding like this... you are half white. Your father is white, so you need to defend the othe side of your heritage.

*yawns*

Go and sleep

khiaa:
You are to much of an ignorant bafoon for me to continue to attempt an intelligent conversation with. You lack self esteem and you are a poor excuse for a man. Read more so that you will learn more, until then, I'm done with you.

PS.... Dumb Jackazz, your family was sold off to slavery aswel, those slaves were your grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins.
You just voted your new president in, only time will tell if he is a good and honest leader or just another criminal who is in office to continue the legacy of nigerian crooked leadership.
I am here because Seun invited me here.
He invited friends of nigeria not only nigerians to his website.

I read "black like me". I totally understand what you mean

AkanIgbo:
Not True. African Americans were not that influenced by White people. How could they be, because White people and Black people were segregated in the Country for over 300 years. Blacks could not attend White schools; or go to their hospitals; or go to stores; or go their churches; or drink from their water fountains; or eat in their restaurants; or live in their neighborhood; or work on their good jobs. All that Black people could do in the USA was menial hard labor and fight in the White man's wars. The later White immigrants to the USA from Europe and Latin America eventually took all of the higher paying hard labor jobs after the White man unionized those jobs and gave better pay and benefits. So the Black people in America were not influenced by White Americans. Btw, the way that is the answer to the OP. Black people achievements in the USA were on the own merit. That is why the White man in the USA hates the African American and then for some unknown reason the White man in America admires the African American. So no; African Americans are not influenced by White Americans which is the reason for the brutality by the police.

You have advised me that you are a Nigerian, but your statements scream out that you are a White man; because you are literally saying that Black people have achieved nothing without White people. That is just nonsense.

I guess we need to talk about something else. You're still not getting it

AkanIgbo:
Not True. African Americans were not that influenced by White people. How could they be, because White people and Black people were segregated in the Country for over 300 years. Blacks could not attend White schools; or go to their hospitals; or go to stores; or go their churches; or drink from their water fountains; or eat in their restaurants; or live in their neighborhood; or work on their good jobs. All that Black people could do in the USA was menial hard labor and fight in the White man's wars. The later White immigrants to the USA from Europe and Latin America eventually took all of the higher paying hard labor jobs after the White man unionized those jobs and gave better pay and benefits. So the Black people in America were not influenced by White Americans. Btw, the way that is the answer to the OP. Black people achievements in the USA were on the own merit. That is why the White man in the USA hates the African American and then for some unknown reason the White man in America admires the African American. So no; African Americans are not influenced by White Americans which is the reason for the brutality by the police.

You have advised me that you are a Nigerian, but your statements scream out that you are a White man; because you are literally saying that Black people have achieved nothing without White people. That is just nonsense.

AkanIgbo:
My preliminary DNA tests show that my regions as being Cameroon/Congo (38%), Ghana/Ivory Coast (32%), Nigeria/Togo/Benin (10%), Senegal (3%) and Mali (3%). I have secondary DNA tests coming back in a few weeks and I am almost positive that my background will be Igbo 38%- Yoruba 10% on my Mother's side. I think that my father's side of family is going to be Asante/Baoule 32% and Mande/Jolloff or even Fulani for the rest. Those are my guess based upon things that I have been able to figure out about my family, but family lines that DNA tests come up with are usually different; so we will see.

Lol. I like you

Slavery really stole so much from us. Unfortunately, Africans only see African Americans as just Americans. I have a friend who left to the states when he was 6 and came back when he was about 25. He told me the first problem he had was the fact that he had to identify himself as Ibo or Yoruba when he expected to be accepted as another black dude.

I believe of all problems, tribalism comes first before corruption

AkanIgbo:
You are only feeling the way that you feel, because of how the Europeans screwed up your land and left you all for broke.

Everything you said makes sense apart from this. We in African DON'T blame whites for our predicament. We know that the problem of Africa lies with us. I guess that is something black Americans are used to.

You need to stop reading history books for a second and try to understand what is going on in the PRESENT. We have developed way more than you can think. I'm sure you really don't believe I'm sitting down on a tree while I type this.

Your ignorance of what's going on presently in Africa is what is making this conversation go back and forth

MduZA:
this norm of unnecessarily using SA as a case study to validate your rubbish is annoying...white people only make 5% of the south African population therefore if you are matured enough you would understand why poverty is only attributed to black communities ...may I also tell you that not every white person is rich in SA...During the apartheid regime,South Africa had independent states within herself called homelands,Black people were responsible for developing those areas under difficult circumstances and managed to build beautiful towns like Mafikeng,Thohoyandou,Umtata,Bisho en so forth...these towns are today accommodating thousands if not millions of foreigners who in return call black south Africans lazy
.....if the so called xenophobic attacks in SA can be attributed to black south Africans laziness,why didn't it happen before?

South Africans have always blamed other Africans for thei problems. It didn't start this year

AkanIgbo:
Europeans didn't come to America on the Mayflower. That is a made up story. And the Europeans that came to America were not Puritans like they pretend in their stories of greatness. America was a place that England dumped all of their street criminals, drunks, perverts, prostitutes and political prisoners; just like England did in Australia. It used to be a punishment for Englishmen to be sent in exile to the USA. And the first things that the criminals did once they were in America was plant the seed for rebellion and they eventually committed treason against England by declaring for independence. America always has been and always will be a lawless country, because it started out as a criminal enterprise.

That is what I am talking about; you believe their propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation

You seem to know much about history. I'm impressed.

I was wondering though, do you know what part of Africa your fore fathers originated from before they were taken/sold off as slaves by/to Europeans?

AkanIgbo:
Europeans didn't come to America on the Mayflower. That is a made up story. And the Europeans that came to America were not Puritans like they pretend in their stories of greatness. America was a place that England dumped all of their street criminals, drunks, perverts, prostitutes and political prisoners; just like England did in Australia. It used to be a punishment for Englishmen to be sent in exile to the USA. And the first things that the criminals did once they were in America was plant the seed for rebellion and they eventually committed treason against England by declaring for independence. America always has been and always will be a lawless country, because it started out as a criminal enterprise.

That is what I am talking about; you believe their propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation

Lol. And I always thought that European criminals came here on the Mayflower. Well

What about the other things I pointed out? Aren't you going to comment on them or am I supposed to assume that you're doing some sort of philantrophy by giving free history lessons?

khiaa:
You are in Nigeria so tell me how and where did you hear African American blaming their problems on white people, let me guess THE WHITE MEDIA?

What are you doing to improve the conditions of your homeland?
You are too brainless and busy complaining about whats going in the lives of African Americans (which isn't your concern at all) to attempt any kind of resolution to the problems of nigeria, YOU are too lazy and brainless, YOU would rather wait for the next generation, or on your wise and all knowing white man to come and clean up the mess he created through colonization, than to get off of your lazy azz and take a stance your leaders and start protesting your corupt politicians.

Hahaha. Na olodo you be

Have you not noticed that this thread is focused on African Americans? This is nairaland and not dollarland so what exactly are you doing here?

You obviously haven't noticed but we recently voted out a corrupt incumbent president/government because we want change. Apparently you are more ignorant than I thought or else you would have noticed that there is NO SINGLE white government official here unlike in your "heaven" where Obama is still a puppet to the whites who are REALLY in charge.

You are a nigger as long as you live in America and feed off the foundation that whites created for you. If your ancestors weren't sold of as slaves, which they were even while they were here, by my ancestors who were kings, YOU and YOUR FUTURE generation would have still been slaves here instead of wearing gold chains and killing each other over drugs and neighbourhoods which you don't even own houses in.

Oloriburuku. Omo ale ti o month ona ile.

AkanIgbo:
Sorry, we will just have to disagree with you on what Black people can achieve. I am not joking with you when I say that White people in the USA literally did not help Black people in America achieve anything. They helped us with nothing. Black people in America had to build their own colleges, because just up until just 47 years ago Black Americans could not go to White people colleges.

The problems that you maybe facing has nothing to do with Black people. It may have something to do with the people electing inept and crooked government. That is not unique to any specific country anywhere. Maybe it is too much tribal stuff going on, rather than just electing the most competent people for positions. I don't know, but I do know that it has nothing to do with being Black. I am surprised by the amount of self hate that I see Africans having for themselves. Very surprising knowing the Kingdoms that the people descended from. I don't know how so many people can have such a negative opinion of themselves and their countrymen. Sad.

VERY sad bro but that is just what it is and that's why i keep telling you that you wouldn't have achieved anything without white influence. Key word here is INFLUENCE not HELP.

Slavery and segregation forced you all to have a common goal and to unite as one, even thought you still kill each other under the blood and crip guise, as a result have become a force to contend with.

UNITY is what we lack here in Africa and we need African Americans to come back and teach us how to achieve unity and set aside tribalism(this is the biggest problem) so that we can move forward.

That's what the whites did. Steal from other races and take it back to Europe. Steal America from the natives and invite other Europeans to populate. THIS is what black Americans should do. STEAL the knowledge and send it here so we can empower ourselves and free ourselves from the ignorance that is keeping is locked in chains of retrogression.

AkanIgbo:
Hard to believe that there is discrimination against Black people in North Africa, because the Moors were always Black people. They only started looking White after having so many White women in their harems. The Moors would just raid towns in Europe to get White women or they would buy them off of the Slave markets.

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/Assorted/Paintings_3.htm

Lol. Its hard for you to believe because you do NOT live here. The fact that you've read all the history books in your library doesn't gurantee you of knowledge of what is actually going on PRESENTLY.

I really believe you need to get out of the past and come and live in Africa for some years so you can truly understand what is going on.

What annoys me is the fact that you think that we in Africa do not know history of black Americans of America as a whole. We know the past but even more importantly, we know EXACTLY what is going on here PRESENTLY

AkanIgbo:
No I am not agreeing to that. The Jackson 5 were a huge hit amongst Black people. The Jackson 5 were on a African American owned record label called MoTown. MoTown featured only African American acts like the Temptations and many very popular African American music groups. MoTown music was only played on Black owned radio stations and the music, the musicians and the radio stations became legendary. Whites listened to the music just like African Americans. The African American musicians were already legends before White people even tuned in to hear them sing.

I think that the problem with you is that you believe the propaganda of White people. White people lie about everything. Who you are. Where you are from. What your ancestors did. Etc. If the White man told Black people that Africans were cannibals and had no history. You might believe it, but African Americans wouldn't believe it; because stuff has been passed down to us through the slaves, mostly in the way of customs if not actual culture. The customs that the slaves passed down were incredibly civilized as opposed to anything that the White man in America ever did. The descendants of the slaves thought hard work, self esteem, self respect, community and unity. How do you think that African Americans could have advanced so far so fast if the slaves were not cultured, civilized and unified. African Americans set up their own colleges and universities; businesses and professions with absolutely no help from White in this country. African Americans have elected a Black president even though Black people only make up 15% of the USA population. African Americans have elected Senators, Congressmen and Congress women, Mayors and Governors City Councils and State Legislators all over the Country. African Americans have become millionaires and billionaires in the USA; started business; entered the trades and entered and have had outstanding careers in all of the professions. Slavery only ended 150 years ago. Segregation only ended 47 years ago, yet African Americans have thrived; to the point that their actions have allowed other Africans (Nigerians) to come to the USA for school and work. So we don't believe anything the White man says about Black people, because we know him.

The White man said Black is ugly; African Americans said that Black is beautiful. Guess who won that point? Hell white people in the USA get tanned to try to look more Black. White women put collagen in their lips to try to look like Black women. White women in this Country get surgeries to have fuller looking behinds like Black women. White men in the USA try to emulate African American men characteristics to try to appear to be more hip and cool. That is how strong African Americans cultural impact is in America. You will not see African Americans bleaching their skin to try to become Whiter, because African Americans already know that they are the standard of beauty and culture in America, whether they are dark skinned like Michael Jordan or light skinned like Beyoncé. Black people in the USA know who we are and the White man knows too.

If a Black person in America does anything to their appearance to try to become more White looking; the African Americans in this County will not have to say anything. It will be the White Americans that will say how terrible that person looks. White people were the hardest critics of Michael Jackson when he changed his appearance. They were all saying that he was crazy and that he looked better before his surgeries.

Lol. To think that you are throwing all that information back at me like I do not know the history of MJ and I do not acknowledge nor respect the achievements of the black is rather shocking.

Get off the defensive brother. Even Malcolm X tried to convince the black community to come back to Africa and try and rebuild from "home". There is no doubt that blacks are intelligent but the truth is without y'all being in America and being under majority of white beliefs and ideals you wouldn't have achieved as much as you have. The only reason why I say this is because these achievements you stated have NOT been replicated on African soil by Africans.

Africans obviously cannot lead themselves to prosperity without the influence of whites. Take for instance, South Africa. The native south Africans are lazy and obviously from their recent show of xenophobia would have never been able to achieve what they did without the aid of whites during apartheid. I know you'll say other African countries helped build SA but you really need to also understand that whatever they built was on the foundation of what the whites laid down in SA and even till today mjority of the rich in SA are white while the poor are mainly SAcans.

Same applies to the black in the US, whatever rights you have were as a result of the constitutions and laws written by the founding fathers of white America. If Jay Z, Malcolm 8, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks etc had grown up on African soil, there's every possibility that they wouldn't have achieved what they have.

I'm not a racist and its rather unfortunate that yourself and some other people like Khlaa believe I am. I was born here. I grew up here. I'm mixed and my mom was black. My dad left when I was barely 3 months old and I've lived, schooled, made friends here all my life. Even my wife is an Ijaw woman. I'm a typical Nigerian boy, just a bit light skinned and I'd proudly claim waffi before cliaming Scottish.

You need to understand that my rantings are not as a result of hatred of blacks or anything similar but as a deep and growing concern of how things go on here.

For your information, an average African won't regard and "African American" as kin. They see you as similar to whites because of the white influence you've had over the years.

I really think you need to come here and see how things REALLY are here to understand what I mean. Until then, I'm only forced to believe you'll never understand my POV because I can bet you have electricity while I still don't have any after more than 3 weeks.

But I still don't blame the white man. And please, quit it with the lecture. The fact that I'm in Africa doesn't make me ignorant. I know way more about what is going on in America than you know about what is going on in Africa. At least the average Nigerian TV station knows there America is on the map as opposed to CNN who couldn't properly place Nigeria on the map of Africa.

khiaa:
It wasn't made popular by whites, it was stolen and screwed by them, whites are the super thieves of the earth, you need to get your head out of the white mans butt. Yes you would be wearing leaves because YOU don't have the intelligence to think on your own without YOUR WHITE GOD telling you what to do. You are pathetic and more than likely a white troll.

Ask yourself this simple question, why haven't Africans been able to replicate this "intelligence" on African soil? Do you even live here? Yes, whites are thieves but blacks are lazy. Its the truth. What we should be doing is trying to find a way out of the mess we ha put ourselves in.

I might be pathetic but at least I have brains enough not to throw blames at another race for all my problems.

You actually sound like every other black american who blames their problems on the white man. Over here, we blame our problems on ourselves. Get it?

teeowl:
Native Americans/Red Indians were there first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

I actually meant they got there and setlled before black Americans. Lol, everyone knows that Europeans got to America on the Maflower and bought/stole the land and wiped out the native Americans. Psst, you really think I don't know that? Hell, the name of the high school I attended is Mayflower

letsbet:
All this pythons am seeing here are childs play!









Who among you have watched ANACONDA!?!

I "have" watched it

That old woman has refused to die.

The op should have stated some of his achievments na. I don't know why but most of Nigeria's "heroes" always seem over hyped to me

I am beginning to understand that you take my comments literally and you somehow always seem to refuse to see the bigger picture.

"White audiences and white musicians have been flocking to see Black musicians every since, which is why guys like Michael Jackson became so famous"

With that statement, you have just agreed with me that without whites, black music wouldn't have become so popular

AkanIgbo:
Not true. The music was popularized in African American Churches. The Black churches were the infrastructure. That is why the music became popular, because African Americans used to go to church in overwhelming numbers all over the USA. Many African American musicians then branched out into juke joints and minstrel shows and began playing secularized versions of the gospel music that was played in African American Churches. African American artist were so good that White people started pouring into Black Churches and juke joints to hear the music even though segregation laws prevented the mixing of Black and White people. White musicians then started imitating Black musicians, which grew the music even more, but White music fans eventually tired of the imitators and started demanding to hear the Black musicians. White audiences and white musicians have been flocking to see Black musicians every since, which is why guys like Michael Jackson became so famous.

RAP music is probably not a USA music. It's roots may actually be in the Wesr Africa Groits and in Jamaica. Jamaican music artists may have brought it to New York City, which is where RAP music caught on in the USA.

khiaa:
African Americans created Rock n Roll, Country and Western, Jazz, Swing, Blues, Gospel, Barber Shop and every music that ever came out of this country. Classical music was not created by Americans.

Created by African Americans but made popular by whites and the infrastructure built by them. Without whites, we'd still be wearing leaves

AkanIgbo:
Egypt has been invaded and controlled by so many people, that you probably don't even know who the Egyptians are at this point. It is certainly not the people in Egypt right now, because the Egyptians were not Greek, Roman or the Muslims from the East. The Egyptians roots started from the South. The people of the South don't reject Africa.

Bro, you're smart. I've read through all your write ups and I must say, I'm impressed and I've learnt a few things.

But there is one thing I won't accept, "the reason why Africa is in poverty is because of whites". I live in Nigeria. I was born here. I went to school here. I don't have one single caucasian friend. I speak the language and as I type this, there has been a power cut for more than 3 weeks.

I believe it's our fault that we are where we are. Contrary to what you believe, I'm well informed about the roots of Africa and I do have sufficient knowledge of Africa's past glories, if I can put it that way. But at the end of the day, even majority of Africans aren't aware of our rich history. Our leaders will rather spend billions from the national budget on their salaries than on education. And, like the great Tai Solarin said, Ignorance is darkness.

At the moment, Africa is but a shadow of what we once were. There is a we-will-never-grow mentality here. Everyone is only concerned with filling up their pockets. We have reviewed our educational curriculum in, well, let's just say never. We have lots of natural resources but there is a lot of poverty due to mismanagement.

In my initial response to this post, I did say, "black Americans should come back to Africa". It really does sound unrealistic but with careful scrutiny, you have to admit that it is actually possible. But that's another story.

Yes, whites ARE thieves bro. Wherever they go, they steal knowledge, land and go back to develop their countries. But Africans steal from Africa and take it to Europe and America. When an average politician/civil servant/leader is will, they travel abroad for medical treatment and spend millions. But the average Nigerian, where I live, is deprived of clean water.

Maybe you need to come over here for a visit to really understand what I mean. Whites might have sown the seeds of poverty but blacks are watering it.

GEJ's Tranformation is obviously working in Delta state

[quote author=AkanIgbo post=33527936]Dude White people were educated by Black people. Look it up. The Moors were Black people from North Africa. It was the Moors that brought colleges and universities to Europe which lifted White people out of the dark ages. White people were illiterate when the Moors got to Europe and white people, including White Royalty didn't even practice proper hygiene. That was only 600 years ago. Hell slavery was only 150 years ago, so just shows you how recently that White people were uncivilized. In fact you are so dimmed witted that you don't even realize that it was the Moors introduction of navigation equipment into Spain that allowed Spain to be the first European power to sail into the new World; which in turn lead to slavery.

Even your great saviors the Greeks and Romans point to another set of Black people (the Egyptians) as being the sources of knowledge that the Roman and Greek empires were built upon.[/quote

Even Egyptians reject Africa

AkanIgbo:
I will tell you more; you are the Forest Gump of racists.

Additionally, it was black people the "Moors" whose invasion of Spain in 711 A.D. that brought modern colleges, cities, sanitation, civilization and sophistication to Europeans. So Africa has been a civilized place for many centuries. Your cockiness is false and your people have created nothing except strife.

So, explain why 90% of Africans still live in poverty? Didn't the Moors think it will be wise to teach other Africans what they taught Europeans?

I'll just ignore your "racist" comment. Especially considering that even blacks have an issue tolerating other blacks. Ask the Igbos, Yorubas, SAcans etc

AkanIgbo:
Seriously though I don't know if you are the stupidest person that has ever lived, but you are really close. One of the biggest contributions that America makes to the World is music and it was the African Americans gave America that music. Secondly, African Americans have give America many of its inventions. Some of the inventions were credit to White people because some of the inventors were slaves.

You are the typical ignorant white person in the USA or South Africa. You think that your group has this invention or that invention, but they didn't. Hell White people in America couldn't even feed themselves. The Native people in America fed them. The white people returned the kind gesture by killing off of the native people in America.

Music? Did you just mention music as an achievement? I am pretty sure that by music, you are referring to hip hop and RnB, right? Do you realise that classical music, rock and roll etc were all existing before hip hop was created in the 1980s. For your information, the richest hip hop artist isn't as rich as an average rock and roll group/band. Do you even know what goes on behind the scenes? The equipments used are all made by whites. The enabling market for such music to grow was created by whites. The whole "hollywood" glamor was created by whites.

Even here in Africa, our music only thrives because we have "copied" what works in the western world and even at that, the quality of our music is still relatively low and cannot be marketed to the world.

As far as the "inventions" go, blacks on African soil have not been able to achieve such feats. At the end of the day, without the enabling environment by the whites, blacks still wouldn't have invented the wheel.

AkanIgbo:
You are really dim. White people didn't get to America first; there were already Native people there when the Whites got there. Secondly, White people didn't pay for any land; they stole the land jus like they steal everything else.

Another emotional response. I'd like to see you claim it back from them