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Since the salary structure provided is for IT/Technical employees, does anyone know what the Telecomm companies pay Finance Managers/Financial Planning Managers or a Finance Director? Do their salaries come with a car + driver, healthcare, housing etc? Thanks for your response.

Some yes, some No
However, your bargaining power will go a long way

go to ZA, ghana and even tanzania, there are labour laws and there is a minimum expected by companies to pay their workers!!! Why is it that anything that works in other countries will never work here in Nigeria?! It shows that our leaders do not have our interest at heart. What has the federal government done about the sacked Airtel workers issue? NLC n ko? Those ones are just figure heads,

Enough is enough, lets all stand up for our rights!

With such an outdated labour law, non-biting labour body and legislature couple with "at least I have a job" attitude, well that's the way it is and gonna be

Nonetheless, not all NGN establishment are slave drivers
However rather pity most are

It's even alarming when the mentality of a CEO or CFO or whatever CxO is just to use resource to keep the coy going without a genuine interest in the well-pay and well-being of the resources!!!

Yes ₦1m+ is possible, SAP BW, Basis et al might not be as appreciated in NGN as should be.

as someone has said, your bargaining power would play a deciding factor.
In-btw, ensure ALL is signed on dotted line before moving over and even after moving over, you might still notice some 'slag' in your agreed and actual remuneration.

Try to attend "career in Africa" fair in the states.

All the best

Humm

In so far as lieth with you, live at peace with all men ,

finish and clair

Nothing beats coming to knowledge of truth

Have a goal in life.

Thanx all for your valuable comments and insight

More labour related posting

Age Requirement is Unconstitutional

Great to see more posting on this.

Why whin whin an dcringe when we can take action starting by voicing out ,

@ Poster,

Thanks for pointing this out. It's one of those kind of discussion highly pertinent to Nigeria Labour Forum

It might interest you to note that medical test is entrenched in our Labour Law. We really need to have out antique labour law revised and must be a URGENT action program of NLC to put to House of rep/Senate for urgent passing. Anyway the NLC on its own need review as it lacks relevance for today's mobile global workforce

In the poll we conducted, overwhelming 80% desire they wish the labour law is relevant and there is a body to turn to.
so we need relevant labour law and practice as well as a credible body to turn to such as South Africa's CCMA and Cosatu and its numerous affiliate.


NGN labour law: http://www.nigeria-law.org/LabourAct.htm

More labour related posting

Airtel Slave Yard


"We Are Not Slaves" -Coca-Cola Pay Nigerian Day-Workers $2.60 Per Day?

More often than not, he would burst into our department and label everybody- married and unmarried "bunch of fools. If you don't like it you leave the job. Some bosses are too arrogant. This is very obvious among Nigerian entrepreneurs. They feel they do people favours.

What we you do? Nothing. It is a daily dosage. you just have to tolerate this insults on regular basis.

Nay, Should unfair labour practice be tolerated just for the sake of a job

Should a persons dignity be erode simply because he is a worker

Heck no to 21st century slavery
Slavery is not only in the physical act or underpaid but the physic. How many have had there career materially affected by such.
It takes great courage to come out of such oppression and achieve much.

Nonetheless, to every 'privilege' there is responsibility!!! Mistake cannot be condone for perpetual mistake stake. Workers have to come to the table to improve the bottom line (and yes o should be part of the sharing afterward albeit 'little')

So join us in voting and discussion labour matter at Nigeria Labour Forum

@Tunde
Thanks for your posting.

However, Nairalainder, for those wanting to DIY
see Denmark Greencard


NB: Grass might not be necessarily greener on the other side. Have a clear goal, be ready to cultivate and work at it.

@ Sekhukhune et morpheus24

We have moved on with our lives as SAs, we do not even have a thought of killing any other race

surely a large number exposed and well-informed have moved on but there still exist a large 'majority' who over think highly of themselves

Racism is still rife though not official ('cos of law).
A simple analysis of CCMA and small claim court shows shocking figures.

Being a darkie and not connected isn't typically a pleasant experience.
More so, recent issues in deipslot, zandpruit et al isn't too comfortable.

As lovely as Kapstad (Cape Town) is, racism just stare you in the face even though the perpetrators are getting more sophisticated by the day.

In the corporate, as a darkie more especially african foreigner, you are expected to 'prove yourselves' not so for their preferred 'wit' or indian munier.

Hence, SA has borrowed time (or is it suspended sentence (civil war)) after the TRC, however for how long will the ticking bomb continue to tick without blowing or better still defused. Only by God's mercy

Nonetheless, it's not all doom, therez blue sky on the horizon

For NGNs, apart from the black sheep causing us such bad image, the major culprit are those mafirs in Illovo (our so called consular office folks) who have become a law to themselves and causing mayhems, outdoing High Commissioners that are threats to their thriving businesses.

@Poster

and you are being underpaid?

underpaid is subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!!!

Considering the fact that you made a mistake

Letz just say its a wake up call!

But for the mistake and depending on the type of 'mistake', if it were in places like South Africa,
it's bingo CCMA/Labour court here we come for alleged unfair labour practice or constructive dismissal if he/she doesn't want to be constructive, career upholding or back off

It's a good thing we are beginning to see the value of a relevant progressive labour law which is in place, implemented, monitored and has necessary support structures/institutions

This is the core of our discussion on Nigeria Labour Forum

linkedln  is my choice of prof social network

@oladelove

So what is NCC doing about the excesses of all the telecoms companies?

NLC you mean

I weep for this country because all these incidents a traceable to bad leadership.Our leaders don't have the interest of the citizens in mind.you dare not try this in South Africa.Our leaders can likened to the biblical Esau who sold his birth right for a pottage.What a piteous fate!

Let them try it here in SA and let see if their bottom line and stock will not be affected by CCMA/labour court judgements

@ymozay

Its unfortunate we still face situations like this in Nigeria, while Airtel is suppose  to improve the welfare of its staffs to boast their morale,they are busy trying to fustrate them.Where are our Labour laws?

Good question to ask


It's a good thing we are beginning to see the value of a relevant progressive labour law which is in place, implemented, monitored and has necessary support structures/institutions

This is the core of our discussion on Nigeria Labour Forum

Nonetheless with privileges and protections comes responsibilities!

@ Sun of god

Hence the exploitation will continue. ,  I'm not advocating suicide - I'm just pointing out that where there is a will - there is a way.

@ LeoMax

Labour Laws

Hummmm!!!

@ Laoak2

Nigerian citizen life does worth more than this, we are all suppose to stand up and fight injustice in work places, Airtel treat his staff like slave in their own country, coca-cola and many oil companies, yet we have a body call  NLC Nigeria labour congress, ,  NLC is a disaster, they are corrupt and they should be abolished, they have lost thier value and priority. They are to fight for the powerless. what a country , nigeria!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a good thing we are beginning to see the value of a relevant progressive labour law which is in place, implemented, monitored and has necessary support structures/institutions

This is the core of our discussion on Nigeria Labour Forum

SA has borrowed time (or is it suspended sentence (civil war)) after the TRC, however for how long will the ticking bomb continue to tick without blowing or better still defused.
Only by God's mercy

where minority control economy majority (even as in NGN where certain north minority controls 'things'), tension persist

We've just seen 'violence' in post April election. How sad even people on National Service are wasted. Hummmm

Cant say how true the story is
but
there was related isolated cases in South Africa (last year)

so there got to be iota of truth. init.

We have a polling till 17 June to ascertain impact of outdated labour law

Thanks, merci, obrigado

Do you want to use the 'accrued money' as capital for business/investment later on, then go for your ₦12m and endured the job while it last

however, if you want to build a career, become a profession, a trusted advisor, a renowned consultant and have you consultancy you can leverage on later, then presto ₦3m is your way to go

just my 2kobo

The listing is good. Surely no harm in trying

However kindly note the following
1. Graduate entry is PRACTICALLY "mission impossible" for non-indigenes (even if you study in SA)
2. Few 'entry' and medium career level are consider for foreigners (especially African) except with a valid work permit (a catch 22 scenario - work offer for permit, permit for work application)
3. Things are more open at management level (though not all rosy). Yet beware of victimisation, non-apparent 'black prove yourself'

Getting work is further compounded by AA (Affirmative Action) and EE (Employment Equity) law and BEE policies. This are kindda similar to the 'local content' law. Proof must be shown for preference for local (Black first, coloured second, indian third, white et al next) before employing foreigners

NB:
Eskom is in the news for a previous recruitment exercise down in the state - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-213574.html
But hey watch the space as Eskom has a hold on PHCN

The listing is good. surely no harm in trying

However kindly note the following
1. Graduate entry is PRACTICALLY "mission impossible" for non-indigenes (even if you study in SA)
2. Few 'entry' and medium career level are consider for foreigners (especially African) except with a valid work permit (a catch 22 scenario - work offer for permit, permit for work application)
3. Things are more open at management level (though not all rosy). Yet beware of victimisation, non-apparent 'black prove yourself'

Getting work is further compounded by AA (Affirmative Action) and EE (Employment Equity) law and BEE policies. This are kindda similar to the 'local content' law. Proof must be shown for preference for local (Black first, coloured second, indian third, white et al next) before employing foreigners

with such posting as this (My Manager Wants To Have An Affair With Me), my heart bleeds with our irrelevant labour law, NLC and senatorial in-actions

My Mum is a Nurse. She's earning almost 200 thousand Naira. Although She is a senior matron and held other post like PRO. She is working at a state hospital even though she went to school of nursing. Its Kinda complicated, she's doing some other programmes. NURSES ARE BEAUTIFUL. I LOVE MY MUM.

@Nipeks: Thanks so much. I can relate to that as well with my mum retiring as a Snr Matron (after many years of stagnation at SNO level) albeit at such a low salary in those days!

As a doctor, i respect nurses so much.Theirs is one of the most thankless jobs in the health sector. I'm glad about the pay im reading on this forum, It usede to be pathetic in those days.

@reindeer: It's reassuring to see such positive posting.

@ Poster
Whilst the pay might not be that great, it's a wide area job, stressful and satisfying.
Therez diff btw schl of nursing, HND, BSc nurses.

It will be great for you to consider some specialisations and further study (eg master) once you're in it to boost your commanding reasonable salary over time

@original Poster

@ Ajanlekoko

What it means for employees on the technical side is that a few of them will keep their jobs but will now work for an Ericsson rather than MTN, and will now probably earn more money and do 5x more work. But many will lose jobs.

Having carried out (external) audit of one of the big telcos in Africa, I will say you might want to consider Revenue management, Revenue Assurance, BPR. You technical background will give you a competitive edge

@Poster,

@ima1

if you are in USA fight for your right, you should sue for sexual harrassment in the workplace and you could get paid for it too hun. i dunno about naija.

If you're in South Africa, you might get away with automatically unfair dismissal and pocket up to 24mths salary (CTC)

However, since you are in NGN with its outdated labour law, (see Labour related forum) you might want to carefully consider the postings from the following (as a number of advices here will assist you) - cletusia, sammyjl, JOHNLAW, quanta, profgodson 

It is well.
For our light afliction is nothin compare to the exceeding weight of glory ,

I'm not sure nursing is renumerated properly in Nigeria,

That i'm also not so sure of.
However, I've seen a number partner with Pharmacists to open 'shops' (and Doctors in some cases to open a practice)

or even has a decent career path.

Career wise, a nurse can become a Chief Matron and in some case Superintendent (like a Director in government)

A mentor is a coach
Mentor transfer wisdom thru relationship
A mentor is supposed to provide you specific guidance and career advice, . . . There should be some 2-way feedback channel.

All above comment are valid.

a mentor transcend influence and role model.
in fact a mentor helps shape your life though the onus stills lies with you to advance positively!

However, be noted, with advances in technology, a mentor can be situated anywhere, but then 'presence' and 2-way feedback channel is key.

thatz my 2kobo

I've got no clue on salary but Yes, oil coy do recruit nurses to man their clinic except where it's been outsourced

Just out of nursing school, set eye on some specialisation in nursing (overtime after some experience) and gradually move to mgt side of things (if you have the flair for it)

that my 2kobo for you

@poster

the root cause enabler of this is the NLC inaction in ensuring updating of the antiquated, outdated, irrelevant labour Act we currently have.
'Aluta' without proactive strategic manoeuvrings would not achieve much in the modern days we live in.

This is the fundamentals of discussion on Nigeria labour law on this forum - www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-662237.0.html#msg8276509

by the way, call centres are generally notorious for sub-human treatment globally especially where labour laws are not strong, enforced and monitored.
In the UK, call centres have moved to the coastal and Scotland and most to sub-continent like India. It takes the "too-strong" labour law in South Africa to curtail some of the excesses.

Further to the irrelevance of NGN labour law in terms of modern day labour practice, herewith ILO's profile of NGN legislation;

Termination of employment


Sources of regulation

Nigeria’s legal system is based on the English common law, which continues to apply except to the extent it has been modified by statute. In relation to the termination of employment, the most important statutes are the Labour Act 1974 (LA) (also known as the Labour Decree 1974), as amended, and the Trade Disputes Act 1976 (TDA).

Scope of legislation

All labour law statutes in Nigeria, including the LA and the TDA, apply only to those persons considered “employees” at common law (i.e. those employed under a “contract of service” rather than a “contract for services”).

- Go to link for detail - ( 'worldwideweb:www.ilo.org/public/english/dialogue/ifpdial/info/termination/countries/nigeria.htm' )

Thanx marjo, ajanlekoko

I foresee a future of labour friendly environ in 'our own dear native land'

When it come to pass, employee should also realise that for every privileges/right come responsibility

Surely lackadaisical approach to work would have to phase out

With FCMB going through organic growth and forging strategic partnership, it's good news for corporate leadership.
I only hope his impressive track record, both as a savvy businessman and an upstanding citizen! would persist and go the long haul

I long to see good corporate governance entrenched in our banks and micro finance house!!!