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airmark:
But we won Ucl with him. Is it Sterling that will win Epl and Ucl for us?

I don’t even fancy Sterling like that but he is more better to what we have before he came hence my support for his signing.

Jokerman:
So who to blame, coach or Ronaldo??

Also didn't Leao enter, what happened?

Leao entered late, he was needed before cr7

airmark:
About to lose Pulisic to Newcastle. I hope we will use the money to buy an upgrade, and not settle for a washed Sterling.

Pulisic was instrumental to Madrid's crushing that year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWzv6KNvk

He should go, the guy is not enforcing play as a winger, always falling to the ground. We can’t win epl with players like Pulisic and Jorginho.

popizaino:
I know iniesta's job without you telling me. Without iniesta in Barca and spain they would retort to a completely different style of chance creation than the usual tiki taka and that would put more pressure on their midfield. This thing is so obvious now.

Iniesta was not the brain behind tiki taka, he was just there to drive the ball to attack but was unproductive while at it. If he was that important to ball possession he won’t be occasionally moved to the wing. Iniesta, Bousquet and Valdez were benefit boys in a Spanish style of play.

popizaino:
The reason why we dominated possession was simply because of Deco not any Lampard anywhere. Deco brought that Barca style that brought about calmness to our midfield with his ability to hold the ball under pressure without losing it. Nothing like Lampard.

Good so same apply to Xavi and not because of iniesta. But the difference is Lampard was useful upfront unlike iniesta that messi was doing his job, iniesta was just there for flip and turn aka shakushaku.

popizaino:
The reason why xavi was so dominant with possession is because of Barcelona style of play and iniesta simple. I have explained it my point on Andrea Pirlo.

Lies, Xavi was tiki taka, when he left barca possession stat reduced, you will not know because messi was still winning decisive games.

A40:
That is because he is the Greatest passenger of all time. Holy shit

Can you believe this joker did not score a single goal in both Euro triumphs. The deeper I dig the worse it is for your boy

You think if Muller had Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Henry, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Silva, Villa, Fabregas, Torres, Xavi carrying him for club and country he wouldn't have 2 Euros and 4 CLs

Iniesta na benefit boys, his flip and turn after others have done the job gave him an undeserved recognition. A CAM that played with messi who has 700+ Goals doesn’t have 100 assist.

MorataFC:
Rhere is no lover of football that will call either Iniesta or Xavi a fraud without a sentimental reason, both are geniuses on the field of play and there the players any club could die for to have in their team.
For Debroslink to say Iniesta gave Xavi a career and for Ibime to praise Xavi over Iniesta shows that both are good but every one with his own cup of tea.
The question is who is better among the 2?

Both are good and complement each other.

If iniesta don’t have a player like messi with that number of goals his genius play would’ve become a curse because who will be scoring and winning difficult games.

popizaino:
We will come back to Fabregas/matic/Lampard matter when the time comes for now let dismiss whatever hope you have that a skill-less Lampard will thrive in a typical Spanish system that required every player to at least to be very good at holding the ball under pressure. That is not a system Lampard will thrive but expose himself.

But Rakitic thrive there. Probably you were not a chelsea fan when Lampard played for us, he is not your regular CAM, he was intelligent, strong and efficient.

Kilishihunter:
Hope you know unless you're a fixed CAM/10 on paper, you're to still come back to the midfield at intervals even if you are the more advanced of the two central midfielders in a 4-3-3 format so if you think iniesta was almost non virtually in the midfield or not covering for xavi when he went further forward, You lie

Every number 10 cover for their CM when he move forward occasionally. Lampard played box to box at later stage and was still racking up goals and assist.

Ibime:
If Messi had Lampard by his side, he will be more goated today having won more UCL and more Balon d'Or

Lampard has like 7 GA in UCL semifinals. Imagine all those semi against Man Utd, Inter, Atleti, Chelsea etc that Messi was getting knocked out for no reason and just needed someone to contribute something

Exactly, Messi even wished to have Lampard because he was tired of carrying a CAM that didn’t know his job. Ronaldinho even asked Rijkaard to sign him while iniesta was there.

Ibime:
Fabregas wey no fit run

We all know Fabregas undoing, he cannot run anything like the level required to be a modern midfielder

Yet he still went there and showed the Iniesta excuse for not scoring was lamba. Fabregas still scored, he just couldn't press or keep up in midfield to replace Xavi. That is not Lampard problem

Messi will be glad to have Lampard who was superior than iniesta and rakitic to ease his burden of scoring and assisting goals.

raumdeuter:
Madrid tolerated Hazard injury which is why he s there 4yrs now collecting salary and doing nothing

Yes because they understand injury happened to him not that he played full season and flopped.

raumdeuter:
I know many CB who have more career CL goals than Hidden hazard wo is an attacker for Madrid Chelsea and Belgium

Hazard has 5 CL goals, Gnabry has 4 goals in one half vs Spurs

But no CB has overall goal than Hazard like iniesta.

Kilishihunter:
Never said Messi was iniesta's problem, But rather with Messi most of the second balls or final balls went through him as our best player, Messi occupied most of that free role space you're talking about
4-3-3 comprises of 2 central midfielders before the game not one CAM and 2 CMs,

433 is mostly CDM, CM and CAM while the game is on, iniesta as CAM was on free role, Messi was RWF who was exceptional in two positions and nothing stopped iniesta from being productive too since LWF and ST were excelling too. Xavi as CM was even more productive than him. Even some defenders.

raumdeuter:
You can continue to lie to yourself and give excuses as why Hazard has 5 career CL goals

Some CBs have more goals than iniesta who was CAM/winger for Barca and Spain.

raumdeuter:
Neymar was more injured and still delivered unlike the useless Hidden

Neymar’s injury will not be tolerated at Real Madrid too.

raumdeuter:
Neymar and Hazard played he same way and same pattern only difference was that Neymar was more productive in goals nd assists

Not true, Neymar played LWF in 433 formation while hazard played LMF/LW in 4231 formation.

raumdeuter:
He played but was not good enough. and was benched

Or was injured and never recovered even when he tried.

raumdeuter:
How is 4231 equal to 442?

4231 is actually closer to 433.

Hazard played under attacking Zidane and Ancelotti while he failed players like Vicinius succeded

In 4231 formation wingers are referred to as LMF same in 442 so 433 is not close to 4231 formation, you referred to wingers in 433 formation as LWF. Did hazard even play for those coaches due to injuries.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta always was part of the midfield 3 in a 433
Hazard was always part of the front 3 in a 433

Lampard vs iniesta while hazard vs Neymar is the context here. Neymar was more upfront in 433 formation compared to hazard in 4231 formation so the former was LWF while the later was LMF. Iniesta was a free role midfielder he become deep in his twilight like Lampard but guess what Lampard was still delivering from box to box.

raumdeuter:
They are forwards what you posted is wingers in a 442

Is this what Salah Ronaldo Messi Neymar are delivering?

Hazard played 4231 under mou which is equivalent to 442 formation. Iniesta was CAM like Lampard is that what Lampard was delivering. Hazard was a winger under defensive coaches.

raumdeuter:
Hazard played under Zidane and Ancelotti an attacking coach. Wat did he achieve

Did he even play under them as you opined or injury happened to him there.

Kilishihunter:
Even if Lampard played with Messi, there is absolutely no guarantee he would better his goals and assists at barça, is it someone that is more direct and gets those numbers wella from counter attacks that will be patient to do pass the ball, receive the ball until there's a good opening to score? Does he have the skill to weave through swarms of defenders like iniesta to drag defenders and create openings for his other teammates? Abi he will be dragging goals with messi who is mostly the final bustop of final passes from his teammates? Who will even allow him take set pieces?
That's how xavi would have also been dragged like everybody too if Messi had represented Spain

So now you know dribbling matters due to Barca set up but don’t want to understand hazard was the one orchestrating attack for Chelsea, he was the ball carrier from LM, a defensive set up under mou to attack.

Kilishihunter:
Iniesta was a central midfielder, progressive yes while xavi sat back, A CAM is a no. 10 with a free role to roam across the final third with almost no restrictions, Messi mostly occupied that role, See talk just to defend ikebe super
If iniesta is a CAM do you also agree modric is one too since Kroos 's deep lying playmaker role allows him to push forward?

Now you said on the pitch which apply to hazard too. The yellow marker indicate where hazard played for Chelsea, the first yellow under conte/sari and the second one under mou. The black indicate where iniesta played for Barca while blue for Neymar and Messi. You want me to understand Messi was iniesta’s problem by doing his job but don’t want to accept Hazard played mostly under defensive coaches. Isn’t that double standard. Iniesta played free role midfield for Barca, he was everywhere upfront.

Kilishihunter:
You didn't answer my question

CAM and wingers have similar duty on the field of play. While one create from the wing the other from the middle. Iniesta was CAM hence his free role on the pitch, sometimes you even see him on the wing dribbling. Xavi was the dictator.

Kilishihunter:
Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

Im only calling out a double standard. Hazard played mostly for defensive coaches at Chelsea and he was a proper winger, I.e, driving, dribbling and creating chances for his team mates. Iniesta assisting output as CAM for someone that played with Messi who has lots of goals was poor but hazard should be criticized because he didn’t score Neymar’s exact number of goals even when one played for Messi led Barca and psg.

Kilishihunter:
Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

This is what is expected of a winger.

raumdeuter:
Neymar and Hazard are attackers who are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta is a midfielder. How many times have you seen goals of Kroos or Modric being discussed

Hazard is a winger and primary duty wasn’t to score but dribble and create chances.

Kilishihunter:
But this should not apply to a CM iniesta abi?

Hope you read the comment I replied. You can’t eat your cake and have it.

raumdeuter:
A midfielder should not be judged by goals just like no one cares about a scoring for a goalkeeper

A winger should not be judged by goals too because their primary duty is to dribble and drive the ball to attack.

raumdeuter:
Neymar and Hazard are attackers who are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta is a midfielder. How many times have you seen goals of Kroos or Modric being discussed

Is Lampard an attacker?