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Ibime:
If Messi had Lampard by his side, he will be more goated today having won more UCL and more Balon d'Or

Lampard has like 7 GA in UCL semifinals. Imagine all those semi against Man Utd, Inter, Atleti, Chelsea etc that Messi was getting knocked out for no reason and just needed someone to contribute something

Exactly, Messi even wished to have Lampard because he was tired of carrying a CAM that didn’t know his job. Ronaldinho even asked Rijkaard to sign him while iniesta was there.

Ibime:
Fabregas wey no fit run

We all know Fabregas undoing, he cannot run anything like the level required to be a modern midfielder

Yet he still went there and showed the Iniesta excuse for not scoring was lamba. Fabregas still scored, he just couldn't press or keep up in midfield to replace Xavi. That is not Lampard problem

Messi will be glad to have Lampard who was superior than iniesta and rakitic to ease his burden of scoring and assisting goals.

raumdeuter:
Madrid tolerated Hazard injury which is why he s there 4yrs now collecting salary and doing nothing

Yes because they understand injury happened to him not that he played full season and flopped.

raumdeuter:
I know many CB who have more career CL goals than Hidden hazard wo is an attacker for Madrid Chelsea and Belgium

Hazard has 5 CL goals, Gnabry has 4 goals in one half vs Spurs

But no CB has overall goal than Hazard like iniesta.

Kilishihunter:
Never said Messi was iniesta's problem, But rather with Messi most of the second balls or final balls went through him as our best player, Messi occupied most of that free role space you're talking about
4-3-3 comprises of 2 central midfielders before the game not one CAM and 2 CMs,

433 is mostly CDM, CM and CAM while the game is on, iniesta as CAM was on free role, Messi was RWF who was exceptional in two positions and nothing stopped iniesta from being productive too since LWF and ST were excelling too. Xavi as CM was even more productive than him. Even some defenders.

raumdeuter:
You can continue to lie to yourself and give excuses as why Hazard has 5 career CL goals

Some CBs have more goals than iniesta who was CAM/winger for Barca and Spain.

raumdeuter:
Neymar was more injured and still delivered unlike the useless Hidden

Neymar’s injury will not be tolerated at Real Madrid too.

raumdeuter:
Neymar and Hazard played he same way and same pattern only difference was that Neymar was more productive in goals nd assists

Not true, Neymar played LWF in 433 formation while hazard played LMF/LW in 4231 formation.

raumdeuter:
He played but was not good enough. and was benched

Or was injured and never recovered even when he tried.

raumdeuter:
How is 4231 equal to 442?

4231 is actually closer to 433.

Hazard played under attacking Zidane and Ancelotti while he failed players like Vicinius succeded

In 4231 formation wingers are referred to as LMF same in 442 so 433 is not close to 4231 formation, you referred to wingers in 433 formation as LWF. Did hazard even play for those coaches due to injuries.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta always was part of the midfield 3 in a 433
Hazard was always part of the front 3 in a 433

Lampard vs iniesta while hazard vs Neymar is the context here. Neymar was more upfront in 433 formation compared to hazard in 4231 formation so the former was LWF while the later was LMF. Iniesta was a free role midfielder he become deep in his twilight like Lampard but guess what Lampard was still delivering from box to box.

raumdeuter:
They are forwards what you posted is wingers in a 442

Is this what Salah Ronaldo Messi Neymar are delivering?

Hazard played 4231 under mou which is equivalent to 442 formation. Iniesta was CAM like Lampard is that what Lampard was delivering. Hazard was a winger under defensive coaches.

raumdeuter:
Hazard played under Zidane and Ancelotti an attacking coach. Wat did he achieve

Did he even play under them as you opined or injury happened to him there.

Kilishihunter:
Even if Lampard played with Messi, there is absolutely no guarantee he would better his goals and assists at barça, is it someone that is more direct and gets those numbers wella from counter attacks that will be patient to do pass the ball, receive the ball until there's a good opening to score? Does he have the skill to weave through swarms of defenders like iniesta to drag defenders and create openings for his other teammates? Abi he will be dragging goals with messi who is mostly the final bustop of final passes from his teammates? Who will even allow him take set pieces?
That's how xavi would have also been dragged like everybody too if Messi had represented Spain

So now you know dribbling matters due to Barca set up but don’t want to understand hazard was the one orchestrating attack for Chelsea, he was the ball carrier from LM, a defensive set up under mou to attack.

Kilishihunter:
Iniesta was a central midfielder, progressive yes while xavi sat back, A CAM is a no. 10 with a free role to roam across the final third with almost no restrictions, Messi mostly occupied that role, See talk just to defend ikebe super
If iniesta is a CAM do you also agree modric is one too since Kroos 's deep lying playmaker role allows him to push forward?

Now you said on the pitch which apply to hazard too. The yellow marker indicate where hazard played for Chelsea, the first yellow under conte/sari and the second one under mou. The black indicate where iniesta played for Barca while blue for Neymar and Messi. You want me to understand Messi was iniesta’s problem by doing his job but don’t want to accept Hazard played mostly under defensive coaches. Isn’t that double standard. Iniesta played free role midfield for Barca, he was everywhere upfront.

Kilishihunter:
You didn't answer my question

CAM and wingers have similar duty on the field of play. While one create from the wing the other from the middle. Iniesta was CAM hence his free role on the pitch, sometimes you even see him on the wing dribbling. Xavi was the dictator.

Kilishihunter:
Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

Im only calling out a double standard. Hazard played mostly for defensive coaches at Chelsea and he was a proper winger, I.e, driving, dribbling and creating chances for his team mates. Iniesta assisting output as CAM for someone that played with Messi who has lots of goals was poor but hazard should be criticized because he didn’t score Neymar’s exact number of goals even when one played for Messi led Barca and psg.

Kilishihunter:
Hazard is a winger, Iniesta is a CM termed CAM by some Chelsea fans just to defend lampard
Question is are wingers and CMs expected to play the same role on the pitch? Who's expected to produce goals more, the midfielders?

This is what is expected of a winger.

raumdeuter:
Neymar and Hazard are attackers who are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta is a midfielder. How many times have you seen goals of Kroos or Modric being discussed

Hazard is a winger and primary duty wasn’t to score but dribble and create chances.

Kilishihunter:
But this should not apply to a CM iniesta abi?

Hope you read the comment I replied. You can’t eat your cake and have it.

raumdeuter:
A midfielder should not be judged by goals just like no one cares about a scoring for a goalkeeper

A winger should not be judged by goals too because their primary duty is to dribble and drive the ball to attack.

raumdeuter:
Neymar and Hazard are attackers who are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta is a midfielder. How many times have you seen goals of Kroos or Modric being discussed

Is Lampard an attacker?

popizaino:
You know football is not lawn tennis but you have the temerity to tell us Messi was the one doing it in Barcelona


Abi na only Messi dey play for Barca?

Messi’s influence on the team was too obvious with his productivity and I didn’t mention Messi won those trophies alone rather his individual output.

popizaino:
You have said nothing. Wait till ibime talks so that you can get another point.

Sometimes your indifferent take can be stern from airhead mentality, it doesn’t mean what you are saying is right or you know what you are saying.

izzou:


[color=royalblue]He singlehandedly won the WC for Spain

Na him keep, defend, create and score.

Only am dey pitch[/color]

Yes oo na the absurd logic we Dey hear for this street be this.

popizaino:
Without Messi,iniesta won the world cup and Euros 2x.


Iniesta had 55games unbeaten record while messi had 48. I will say we underrated Andres iniesta thr more.

Football is lawn tennis na so he won two euros and World Cup against roger Federer and was the best player in all the tournaments.

Jokerman:
At 38 years abi?

Let Pessi get to that age first.

Only Pele had that longevity.

CR7 will always be one of the GOATs

Messi will still be dangerous at 38 because his game is dynamic, that is, he can become a proper number 10 for his team due to his playmaking ability, whereas, cr7 was only good at scoring and needed services.

Jokerman:
What was Portugal playing before Ronaldo entered? Did they even have shot on goal?

Can you pray for Santos to coach your team, club or country?

Also, can Pep guardiola change his tactics if they are not working for him?

With Ronaldo, Portugal play become more predictable because they were looking for him by hoofing the ball to the air even when it wasn’t necessary. Leao ought to have come in instead of cr7

izzou:
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They will soon shift to another player now.

Just watch[/color]

Iniesta is good and don but he is overrated when compared to Zidane. Only Xavi can be compared with Zidane. Modric, Nedved and iniesta are on same level and profile. individually, Lampard was ahead of these players, it’s unfortunate he played for Chelsea who wasn’t rated with the clubs the three guys played for.

andrewbaba44:
Okay

What about when talking about modric they don’t bring stats ,but it’s only iniesta

Modric vs iniesta is not a hot debate here. I’m talking of the argument that is popular here.

main24:
I argue to learn not to win, that is why I ask questions.
Whatever made Cr7 feel ETH disrespected him is between them. Valid or not.

Now my question is, are there times and certain people we are allowed to disrespect except our own coach?

G you can choose to disrespect anyone not your parents, employer or boss if they disrespect you first. Stop asking a silly question. Respect is reciprocal. With what Messi has done for this sport you don’t go on and say he only walk around on the pitch and does nothing, it calls for rebuttal. Cr7 undermined ETH and feel he can dictate for him like Ole, ETH stood his ground and believe in his football philosophy which bruised cr7’s ego hence his rant.

Beorn:
Portugal players were just ballooning the ball to the advantage of the Moroccan players instead of keeping the ball on their feet. They just played into the hands of the Moroccan players.

If not that the Portugal coach was afraid he shouldn’t have brought in cr7, that sub made them play that way.