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Everything nor be nostalgia. I have great respect for the legendary Pele he is an icon, but Messi is the greatest football player of all time.

raumdeuter:
In the days of Maradona vs Pele GOAT argument
I used to support and argue for Maradona being greater than Pele

And my arguments stem from Pele being part of a Galactico all star team vs Maradona who was part of a mediocre team

Now Messi has now surpassed Maradona.

So how can I twist to say Pele who I argued was less than Maradona is now greater than Messi?

Good clarification from you baba, I got your message.

Ibime:
Lies

He was the best player in 2 seperate World Cups

Not true

Ibime:
Even if you are deliberately lazy, the 1970 World Cup is available in colour and on all media platforms

You are being deliberately foolish claiming a player with 3 World Cups, 12 non penalty goals, 10 assists in 14 games has no argument against a player with 8 non penalty goals and 8 assists in 25 games

Deliberately foolish claiming a player with 7 Balon d'Ors without playing Europe has no claim against a player with 7 Balon d'Ors in Europe

Deliberately foolish claiming a player with 750 non penalty goals in just 812 games despite playing midfield half his career has no claim against a forward with 682 non penalty goals in 1002 games

Deliberately foolish claiming a guy with 7 World Cup semifinal and final non-penalty goals has no claim against someone with just one

Pele has stood the test of time for 60 years. E no get one angle Messi fit use against Pele

Overall, messi is the greatest player to ever play this game. Pele only shone in one wc.

raumdeuter:
I am the greatest of all time

Lol you nor be footballer

Ibime:
QF goal, Semifinal hattrick and final brace is one game to you?

1970 he was Golden Ball with 4 goals and 6 assists

Messi was the one carried by Goalkeeper and everybody knows Messi 2014 golden ball is a scam. Name one goal or assist Messi provided in knockout stage of 2014

Messi has been a World Cup flop his whole career, only to be lucky to have a penalty saving GK in his last WC, and given 5 penalties, all of a sudden you want raise shoulder with the Greatest World Cup player of all time

Ibime rest. Pele was good in one wc, he was carried in the remaining two.

raumdeuter:
What do you think of Martinez penalty stopping styles where he follows the ball most times instead of gambling

Even the kicks Mbappe scored he followed them

Are you for or against messi being the best player this game have ever had.

Expert17:
Messi is eternal and bigger than any player in football history.

Know this and know peace

Make them dey play

forgiveness:
Has Messi won 3 world cups?

In 1958, he scored in the knockout stages including a hattrick in the final at 17 years old yet he was carried. Won the best young player of the tournament (he was actually the best).

In 1962, he played the 2 matches before he was taken off due to injury.

1970, the best player of the tournament.

Yet, he was carried.

Your first point, you don’t use one game to win wc. Messi has been best player in two wc. He was carried to two of his wc which is fact. Brazil is the biggest footballing nation. On individual level, messi is the greatest footbalrt of all time.

I never knew messi is this intimidating to cr7 fan, even offline. Where I for Dey enjoy now people just mention messi see the way cr7 felt threatened and silent by talking on a low tune. Lol Messi you do this one.

Niklaus398:
nope. It simple you're hating. Definitely as long as he is Fit and want to go he will go ...infact the Portugal coach no go even get the gust to drop him from the squad. Yes he can drop him from match day team Sha. That one is different.

Simply stop allowing your hate for Ronaldo blind you to the fact he is to influential in that team and besides Portugal knows his ability to decide games sometimes. So definitely even if as a bench player they will take him.

It not anything emotion oga. It the truth. It u using emotion of hate to think ronaldo won't go if he is fit.

If the coach can drop him to the bench at 37 what make you think he can’t be dropped from the squad at 41. Put on your thinking cap bro and stop being emotional. Most cr7 fan were not actually football fan, they just started following him mostly on other reason best known to them.

Niklaus398:
show me when he argued with officials after the goal was given to Bruno?

Oga know say him put head for that ball n to him his hair felt the ball and he thought it was his goal. But since they didn't even give him the goal...he didn't complain in the post match interview. He knew that the goal is for the whole team.

Na una Messi fans and Ronaldo haters going around spewing all those nonsense and calling him goal stealer or that he wasn't happy he didn't score the goal.
If Ronaldo made no attempt on that ball the ball wouldn't have enter.
Even me saw a picture of the goal and I felt the ball graze his hair but nevertheless according to them it isn't enough to graze ur hair since the hair didn't change the direction of the ball simple.

You nigga should leave all these Ronaldo agenda alone. Everything he does you guys complain.
Portugal scored and he went to celebrate..u guys complain he wasn't happy he wasn't the one that scored.
Pepe scored and he went to celebrate you say he didn't come from his heart at all.

When he didn't go to celebrate u say he is a distraction a bad influence that isn't happy for others. Pls what kind of stupid hate and agenda is that?

When Bruno played that penalty and scored u guys said Ronaldo was not happy he was withdrawn if not he could've been the one to play the pk.

.indeed I'm right...ur agenda against Ronaldo is clearly seen.

He did complain to official by demonstrating to the official that his head touch the ball against his team mate for that matter. Lol. Bro rest you are just emotional.

forgiveness:
Play more? In Pele days, you must win 6 matches to lift the trophy. Today, you must win 7 matches to lift the trophy.

Number of games no reach 100 as you want us to believe.

Lol were you in pele days. Pele is an icon but messi has done more than him in the game. Two of pele’s wc he was carried to it.

donstan18:
How many goals and assists?

Calculate..

How about you check this club side stats

donstan18:
But wait, you mean Ronaldo >> Messi in everything concerning UCL?

So team achievement is what you are showing. Lol Real Madrid had casemiro Kroose and Modric. We are discussing someone that won World Cup
With Mac alister and co you are talking of a galatico team in club side.

donstan18:
From dropping World Cup trophy to another screenshot wey no dey even align to my challenge.

Told you Una dey learn work and should enjoy the moment, but you wan proof stubborn.

UCL is the highest club trophy, players dream to play in the tournament every year, kindly drop Ronaldo and Messi achievements and stats in UCL.

You brought club achievement and I am showing you one you don Dey cry. Lol. Let it go Bruv.

donstan18:
I no watch Pele, you no watch am.

Ibime will bring Pele, you’ll cry and run.
I’ll bring Ronaldo, you’ll cry and run to Pele.

Kindly state what Messi got over Ronaldo in UCL and I’ll state what Ronaldo over Messi in World Cup.

You dey abi you didn’t dey?

This is what Messi has on club level. So Ibime watch Pele. When them born Ibime sef abi him na alien and methuselah

donstan18:
Have you seen that you have nothing to defend Messi with against Ronaldo in UCL?

Just like I said, make una get ready.

Just enjoy the moment, very soon you’ll understand why Boateng is trolled here more than Maldini despite bodying him all round.

Let it go bruv. We are discussing Pele vs Messi now and not Cr7. We will call you when debating cr7 vs mitchel platini. Know the difference between a world legend and club legends, messi already passed club legend status.

Meanwhile, have you seen this.

Bluelines69:
Messi is full troll proof, e no get Wetin you one talk…. I Dey pity Ronaldo goal record now

That goal record him beat am with less games played, this is same cr7 that concentrate on scoring goals only

donstan18:
Ok, I want to troll him against Ronaldo with UCL success.

You got what? Number of trophies? Goals in finals? Knockout goals? What exactly? UCL with different clubs? UCL without Busquet? 8-2 Bayern? Getting mudded and outplayed by Mbappe each time they meet?

Infact! I no value National trophies again, can we see Ronaldo vs Messi stats in the highest club trophy ever??

Mtweeew! Person beast wc from group stage to final you dey talk of ucl wey Messi win for cr7 head.

See as Messi debate Dey sweet me. . Messi you do this one.

donstan18:
What’s my business with Pele?

Then who are you trolling Messi against.

Expert17:
GOAT doings

Lol they have nothing on Messi. They should let it go while we continue to fist.

donstan18:
A time will come when you won’t even bring World Cup again to defend Messi because it’ll become boring then.

Just enjoy the moment.

If Boateng can be trolled despite winning everything Maldini couldn’t even win, then Messi who was saved and carried by Aston Villa keeper can be trolled.

Just enjoy the moment, we dey come.

Messi carried yet was the best player of the tournament. Pele wasn’t even the best player in two wc he won, he was carried.

A40:
CR7 is why you even have expectations of Portugal performing at international competitions in the first place

From 1930 to 2002 Portugal only made 3 World Cups. 3! Let that sink in

Modric led Croatia to wc final and semi final. Let that sink and no room for such excuse.

A40:
Imagine thinking Pele won't dominate this era as well.

I don't want to get into these GOAT arguments anymore. They are forever subjective

If you say it's Messi. Fine

If you say it's Pele. Fine

If you say it's Ronaldo. Fine

Which Ronaldo? You mean De Lima Ronaldo because cr7 didn’t kill it for national team at international competition, he didn’t win best player in any international tournament for Portugal.

Ibime:
Spain has always been good, just not put it together. You can't have Real Madrid dominating UCL and say Spain aren't good while playing Madrid stars, DiStefano and co. The reason they didn't win anything is exactly the point, inability to escape the tough competition

France was good and prior World Cup semifinalist

Mexico has always been Mexico

I used that example for indomie generation. The toughest group was actually Brazil group, but because this indomie generation won't know about the Mighty Magyars (Hungary) of Puskas generation, I decided not to use that group as example

Known of them were as good as Brazilian team. Messi won with lesser talented players.

Ibime:
Did he beat them in 90 mins or with help of penaltying Goalkeeper

If he faced them in Group stage instead of Poland and Mexico, he will be out with 2 points from Group stage

What matter is that he scored and assisted against them and winning is winning. Remember we are discussing Messi and pele here. Pele had better players than messi too.

Ibime:
Did he beat them in 90 mins or with help of penaltying Goalkeeper

If he faced them in Group stage instead of Poland and Mexico, he will be out with 2 points from Group stage

Those teams in that group you posted were not great as at the time. Spain won their first wc 2010.

Ibime:
It's 6 games in Pele time Vs 7 games now

The only missing link is 2nd round

All 6 games are tough because you are playing the top 16 qualifiers in the World and can easily get knocked out in group stage

You don't have an argument. Imagine Brazil, Holland, France and Mexico in the same group, that's the equivalent of what used to happen in Pele days, every group is group of death

You are capping nonsense. Check out these groups in 1966 World Cup.

Imagine Messi have to play France and Holland this World Cup after losing to Saudi instead of Poland and Mexico, tell me how he will smell 2nd round

Some of these teams were not actually great as at this time, e.g Spain, Mexico and France.

Ibime:
It's 6 games in Pele time Vs 7 games now

The only missing link is 2nd round

All 6 games are tough because you are playing the top 16 qualifiers in the World and can easily get knocked out in group stage

You don't have an argument. Imagine Brazil, Holland, France and Mexico in the same group, that's the equivalent of what used to happen in Pele days, every group is group of death

You are capping nonsense. Check out these groups in 1966 World Cup.

Imagine Messi have to play France and Holland this World Cup after losing to Saudi instead of Poland and Mexico, tell me how he will smell 2nd round

Messi actually played France and Holland to win the cup.

Ibime:
They play Group stage, then straight to QF

No 2nd round

Of course the less teams in a World Cup, the stiffer the opposition

Or you mean to tell me it will be more difficult to perform when FIFA expand to 48 teams and start giving people like New Zealand automatic entry from Australasia, probably 7 teams from Africa and Asia, reducing the quality of opponents

Increasing number of game play open more chances of getting eliminated easily. See it from this angle too.