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popizaino:
You know football is not lawn tennis but you have the temerity to tell us Messi was the one doing it in Barcelona


Abi na only Messi dey play for Barca?

Messi’s influence on the team was too obvious with his productivity and I didn’t mention Messi won those trophies alone rather his individual output.

popizaino:
You have said nothing. Wait till ibime talks so that you can get another point.

Sometimes your indifferent take can be stern from airhead mentality, it doesn’t mean what you are saying is right or you know what you are saying.

izzou:


[color=royalblue]He singlehandedly won the WC for Spain

Na him keep, defend, create and score.

Only am dey pitch[/color]

Yes oo na the absurd logic we Dey hear for this street be this.

popizaino:
Without Messi,iniesta won the world cup and Euros 2x.


Iniesta had 55games unbeaten record while messi had 48. I will say we underrated Andres iniesta thr more.

Football is lawn tennis na so he won two euros and World Cup against roger Federer and was the best player in all the tournaments.

Jokerman:
At 38 years abi?

Let Pessi get to that age first.

Only Pele had that longevity.

CR7 will always be one of the GOATs

Messi will still be dangerous at 38 because his game is dynamic, that is, he can become a proper number 10 for his team due to his playmaking ability, whereas, cr7 was only good at scoring and needed services.

Jokerman:
What was Portugal playing before Ronaldo entered? Did they even have shot on goal?

Can you pray for Santos to coach your team, club or country?

Also, can Pep guardiola change his tactics if they are not working for him?

With Ronaldo, Portugal play become more predictable because they were looking for him by hoofing the ball to the air even when it wasn’t necessary. Leao ought to have come in instead of cr7

izzou:
[color=royalblue]

They will soon shift to another player now.

Just watch[/color]

Iniesta is good and don but he is overrated when compared to Zidane. Only Xavi can be compared with Zidane. Modric, Nedved and iniesta are on same level and profile. individually, Lampard was ahead of these players, it’s unfortunate he played for Chelsea who wasn’t rated with the clubs the three guys played for.

andrewbaba44:
Okay

What about when talking about modric they don’t bring stats ,but it’s only iniesta

Modric vs iniesta is not a hot debate here. I’m talking of the argument that is popular here.

main24:
I argue to learn not to win, that is why I ask questions.
Whatever made Cr7 feel ETH disrespected him is between them. Valid or not.

Now my question is, are there times and certain people we are allowed to disrespect except our own coach?

G you can choose to disrespect anyone not your parents, employer or boss if they disrespect you first. Stop asking a silly question. Respect is reciprocal. With what Messi has done for this sport you don’t go on and say he only walk around on the pitch and does nothing, it calls for rebuttal. Cr7 undermined ETH and feel he can dictate for him like Ole, ETH stood his ground and believe in his football philosophy which bruised cr7’s ego hence his rant.

Beorn:
Portugal players were just ballooning the ball to the advantage of the Moroccan players instead of keeping the ball on their feet. They just played into the hands of the Moroccan players.

If not that the Portugal coach was afraid he shouldn’t have brought in cr7, that sub made them play that way.

main24:
I like how Messi fans are saying we are allowed to disrespect anyone just not your manager right?

Did you actually read what Messi said?
Messi said: "I always respect everyone, but I want them to respect me too."

"everyone" means his manager too...whenever he feels disrespected by his manager, he will disrespect him too

Or what does everyone mean please?

CC: ChristoBam

You are only assuming what Messi have not done just to defend cr7 behavior. Everyone know messi is respectful and humble so when he spark you know he has been offended.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Show us Scamdres career stats.

Bring it out, and stop going to Esquire, Sportybet.com and Pornhub for reference..

If you know Scamdres was the GPEL (Greatest Player Ever Liveth), let us see his career stats.

The same thing you guys will use to drag another player, you are shielding that fraud from[/color]

Thats the hypocrisy I’m against on this thread. They talk about goals and assist when talking of Hazard even when they know his game play is dribbling and driving the ball(not that his stat is poor) like iniesta. Hazard mostly played under defensive coach while at Chelsea while Neymar played for a dominated Barca and psg but they won’t be objective. Mention iniesta and Lampard dribbling will now matter.

Kilishihunter:
Lampard had no messi, Lampard had no messi
Did Messi play for Spain? Did Messi play after getting injured early in the knockout stages for barça in UCL 06?

Was iniesta the best player 2010 World Cup? Spain was good and iniesta wasn’t the best player for Spain or in the tournament.

popizaino:
Tbh,you evaluated nothing,performance is why iniesta is always rated higher after every of those big games.



Nobody saddled Lampard with the responsibility of scoring he should leave that to Drogba and Rooney make chances for them,if he wasn't there losing ball anyhow in key moments were an iniesta like dribble ability would have been the best option,maybe he would have at least appeared in a semifinals match in an umbro red shirt .

Or probably Lampard had no Messi to take game into his hand almost every time. You guys underestimate the talent of Messi, that guy make every team thick and formidable by functioning in two position at same time, he is that exceptional. Messi is the best football talent of all time if you don’t know.

Ibime:
Affidavit polling both awards

Never in my life will I see a left winger go into tournament with zero goals and assists and win POTT like Iniesta did in Euro 2012

Media went into shakushaku madness and overdrive, trying to pay Iniesta back for not winning individual accolade after scoring 2010 WC final goal, which again was his only GA contribution to that tournament

When Xavi assisted the solitary winning goals in the Word Cup second round, quarterfinal and semifinal back to back, Iniesta was dancing shakushaku, until Fabregas gave him a clean 1v1 with the keeper in the final

A case of a horse being dragged to the stream everyday until he drinks

Xavi made Iniestas career. Even the one thing Iniesta is known for, that midfield tikitaka control, he was never good at it. It was Xavi work

Xavi assisted twice in Euro 2012 final, they chose a nigga with zero GA as POTT based on Kovacic style dribbles

Xavi assisted the only goal in Euro 2008 final

Studious people know who the real driver was

When Xavi started having Achilles tendonitis in 2013, everything disappeared.

Xavi was tiki taka and tiki taka was Xavi.

Kilishihunter:
That was Messi not iniesta, Pep gave him that license via the free role making him have much of the bulk of final balls either through assists or goals, The various times Iniesta was allowed to roam was when we switched formations and shunted him to the LW, Iniesta was also a CM not CAM on paper in most of barça's lineups under pep especially, Leaving busquets as the solitary pivot

The disciplined midfielders were Xavi and Bousquet, iniesta was the roaming midfielder between attackers and Xavi. I watched barca very well so I know what I am saying. Same with Lampard, he was the roaming midfielder between attacker and other midfielders. The only thing was messi was/is an exceptional player that handle two positions very well so he handled iniesta primary role including his which made Ibime to talk down on iniesta been fraud.

Mhiztachika:
When they (Messi/factos) retire, we will see the same thing with mbappe and Haaland,it will be the same thing with Messi and factos

We will keep seeing these fan wars

Sure.

Adiwana:
He needs to know the real role of Iniesta in that team before he starts dragging him as an imaginary AM he never was.

As I already mentioned Barca played mostly a flat 4-3-3 formation with a switch to 4-4-2 diamond when Villa and Pedro came in to play as the two supporting strikers as Messi dropped in to play behind them as AM. This made Iniesta drop in to play as a LM/LW. That’s why you’ll see so many clips of Iniesta dribbling on the touch line.

When playing as a flat 4-3-3 formation, Iniesta played slightly higher because again he can break up defensive lines with dribbling and final 3rd passing but even at that Messi was still playing that false 9 role eliminating the need of an AM since Messi can also do all that better. So Iniesta didn’t need to push further in those instances.

Iniesta was mostly played as a CM that’s why Barca were so good at tiki taka in terms of forming those triangles and ball recoveries

Iniesta was CAM on paper but on the field he can roam to any position upfront and centrally. With this freedom he got Ibime and co expected more goal involvement from him. Personally, I admired and loved how iniesta played so I don’t have anything against him, I only talked against him when Lampard is not regarded just because he played CAM differently in different formation, tactics and league.

CAPdan21:
Xavi>>Iniesta
Xavi was the system, Only Zidane stops Xavi from being the Goat of midfielders...
Iniesta is in the same level as Modric just a bit better...

True Modric and iniesta are on same level, Xavi is above them.

Mhiztachika:
God bless you
Your oil no go dry

They all conveniently left out the fact that he isn't the man he used to be

Benched at club and country and they don't want to ask why

They just say that everyone has an age da against him..it's pathetic

He should retire
He has done well, broke all records

But all shows must come to an end sadly..

Amen. His fans are not excluded, this is why I want him to retire real quick so we can have sanity among football fans again, the guilt trip, blame game and emotional manipulation is getting too much, no one is free to say the truth any longer because cr7 and his fan/family. So sad.

What made cr7 an exceptional player it’s what is turning him into villain in his last days which is HUNGER TO SUCCEED. His wife blame a manager, his sister blame his team mate while his team mate blame messi and Argentine officials but not a single one of them actually cared about why he is been benched. He ruined them and they ruined him. I just hope they don’t pass the toxicity to their children.

Good show from England.

I see Croatia vs France final again.

Yessssssssssssss

raumdeuter:
Can we compare Neymar with hidden Hazard now

Let me know when Neymar lead Brazil to third place at wc.

Neymar scored a beautiful one there.

raumdeuter:
You told us he will not win the EPL and false 9 will not work. All these others are shalayes

I didn't tell you that way though but feel free to hold on to what you want.

raumdeuter:
The same way you told us Pep will be useless in the EPL, And how Pep won without a striker

He had to adjust and overhauled his team. I never said pep is not a top coach, my argument with you is that his achievement is overrated compared to ancelotti and mou.

Expert17:
Pep is Pep.

Check his remarks on Busquet... For the last time, no DM can bench Busquet in a possession-based team.

Bousq will be useless in Epl. Pep had to adjust to epl pace after his first season.

Expert17:
Lmao, you think Pep Guardiola will bench Busquet? His no 1 fan

No DM can/will bench Busquet in a possession-based team/tiki taka.

A game ended 0-0 and you are running agenda on a DM, you can do better. If we check well, your pain is due to Thiago not making the squad.

City and epl is not barcelona and la liga so pep will bench bousquet for Rodri seeing that the later suit epl pattern of play more. Bousq will be useless without the ball just like jorginho for chelsea.

Our problem is the midfield structure, we have to change that if we want to see the best of attackers. We need an astute CDM and a creative one.

When I tell you guys lukaku is not a top player you guys said I’m lying, PR brought him this far.

This World Cup Dey hot ooo